CoE Archbishops urge voters to shun BNP

The Archbishops of Canterbury and York have issued a joint appeal to voters not to vote for the BNP in the European elections. They seem concerned that the current scandal over expenses may play into the BNP’s hands. The BNP leader Nick Griffin rejected the archbishops’ call; Nick Clegg the Liberal Democrat leader told the BBC Politics Show that he believed in the separation of church and state, whilst Polly Toynbee, president of the British Humanists’ Association, insisted it was only right that the archbishops should be able to speak out.

This comes after the Church of England voted to ban clergy from membership of the BNP.

  • alan56

    Certainly archbishops are free to give their opinion. However if ever there was a need for seperation between church and state it should have been in ROI for the last 50 years where unfortunate kids were at the mercy of a church goverened education system that allowed the horrendous abuse to take place. Personally I do not think that churchs of any denomination are the right people to oversee education

  • Giving the BNP free headlines 11 days before an election is not smart politics. I like Rowan but he and his staff seem to have a collective dearth of political sense that rivals UCUNF, and this is yet another example of the Lambeth Palace foot in mouth syndrome at work.

  • alan56

    A lot of polling suggests that BNP were likely to get more votes because of the prevailing climate of MPs corruption. If thats true then the intervention of the archbishops might just change some people’s minds. Being a bit optimistic here I know.

  • Anon

    Indeed, any person inclined to vote for the BNP is definitely going to sit up and pay attention to these two pseudo-intellectuals preaching from the ivory tower, one of them an immigrant and the other a supporter of the implementation of Sharia Law through in UK courts.

    Stupid, stupid people. Another free day of publicity for the BNP after the ongoing expenses debacle and the hysterics that followed Barnbrook’s invitation to Buckingham Palace.

    The BNP will win 10-15% of the vote at the forthcoming elections – but the mainstream parties and media will probably still fail to address the concerns of people who do not want to see involuntary repatriation and are certainly not racist but, nevertheless, vote for a party with rampant racial overtones because of their genuine concerns over the state of the country.

    We are about to embark upon some very interesting times.

  • alan56

    Anon
    Would it really be better if no-one spoke out?

  • John O’Connell

    I wish the Christian Churches here in the North would speak out about the Antichristian nature of Sinn Fein and the Old Testament bias of the unionist parties.

    Clearly extreme nationalism does not sit well with Christian values. There are mutually exclusive.

  • John O’Connell

    “there” should be “they”

  • Anon

    [i]Would it really be better if no-one spoke out?[/i]

    No, absolutely not. Where did I say or imply that? Free speech is an immensely important human right to which we are all entitled and the Archbishops are not one bit different.

    It would help though if people thought about the implications of what they propose to say before actually speaking.

    In this case the Archbishops’ remarks will prove to be entirely counterproductive. The BNP are back in the headlines again, the media have been swarming all over Griffin and the messengers, in this case, are entirely irrelevant in wider society: it’s not like the only people who truly find the CofE relevant were contemplating voting BNP in the first place.

  • Archie Purple

    I don’t recall the old Druid Williams telling the Anglican folk in Northern and Southern Ireland to refrain from voting for the murdering terrorists in Sinn Fein / IRA. Do You? It never ceases to amaze me that the BNP is persona non grata for their views but I don’t recall them killing anyone yet Sinn Fein / IRA and Al Quadia, two murder machines are to be promoted, the former into Government in part of the United Kingdom? Do You? Yet This old Druid is a supporter Sharia law as promoted by the terrorists within the Arabic community and his views should be treated with the absolute contempt they deserve.
    The BNP will only succeed because of the ineffectiveness of our current NuLabour Government in controlling immigration into this country. Were the UK Government to have adopted the immigration policies of Australia, then the BNP would have had less of a platform on which to build their political base.

  • John NO Connell

    [i]I wish the Christian Churches here in the North would speak out about the Antichristian nature of Sinn Fein and the Old Testament bias of the unionist parties.[/i]

    Shut up you fool (and no I’m not part of the vast Sinn Fein conspiracy, I’m SDLP to the core)

  • Anon

    [i]The BNP will only succeed because of the ineffectiveness of our current NuLabour Government in controlling immigration into this country. Were the UK Government to have adopted the immigration policies of Australia, then the BNP would have had less of a platform on which to build their political base[/i]

    Precisely. And as I’ve already said, you can guarantee that the mainstream parties will adopt the same position after the BNP break through double digits in a couple of weeks – they are hopelessly out of touch. And UKIP are pretty much the same as the BNP except more aristocratic and less explicit about their racism.

    This time two weeks, as the votes are being counted, over one in three of the British people will have voted for parties who are openly hostile towards the EU and who want an immediate halt to all immigration.

  • COI

    …didn’t a black church of England archbishop agree that multiculturalism was bad for modern society?

    Wasn’t he ordained within the COI?

  • I don’t think any serious person actually continues to hold the belief that multiculturalism, as it has developed across western Europe and in particular the UK, has been anything other than a miserable failure. Trevor Phillips has said the same.

    Of course there are massive benifits to be had from immigration, especially when it is properly managed and a reciprocal process of integration takes place.

    But the way in which it has been forced upon the British people is an absolute disgrace. Enoch Powell saw the dangers, most people are now beginning to wake up and see them too. I wish the Conservative Party would address the situation as it would halt the march of the neo-Nazi thugs that are on the verge of a major political breakthrough.

  • [i]Polly Toynbee, president of the British Humanists’ Association, insisted it was only right that the archbishops should be able to speak out.[/i]

    That’s not exactly why Toynbee is so well-known now, is it? The first three lines of her Wikipedia entry say it all really:

    [i]Polly Toynbee (born Mary Louisa Toynbee, 27 December 1946) is a left-wing, socially liberal British journalist and writer, and has been a columnist for The Guardian newspaper since 1998. She is a social democrat and broadly supports the Labour party, while urging it in many areas to be more radical.[/i]

    It’s amazing how the BBC were so quick to forget that, it really is.

  • pauljames

    Perhaps the good bishops would like to see this intervention through to its logical conclusion and tell us who we should be voting for. As Hitchens would say,(after Jefferson) “Build up that wall” (Of separation between church and state.)

  • Oranges4Sale

    Enoch was Right.

    I totally agree. Tightly controlled immigration isn’t a bad thing, but the New Labour mantra of multiculturalism is starting to wear thin with most people.

  • Oranges4Sale

    Enoch was Right.

    I totally agree. Tightly controlled immigration isn’t a bad thing, but the New Labour mantra of multiculturalism is starting to wear thin with most people.

  • Big Maggie

    “It’s amazing how the BBC were so quick to forget that, it really is.”

    To forget that she’s a journalist? I doubt they did. It wasn’t relevant within the context. Griffin was telling the Churches to butt out of politics and Toynbee, a Humanist—and as such not a great defender of the faith—was insisting that its their good right.

    Free speech. I know certain people don’t like it but there it is.

  • Enoch was right!

    [i]Perhaps the good bishops would like to see this intervention through to its logical conclusion and tell us who we should be voting for.[/i]

    They have given their tacit approval to parties who wholeheartedly voted to rip Iraq apart and subsequently created the bloodbath that ensued – all in the name of human rights, of course. Good people, they are. And that approval extends to hundreds of members of those parties who have flagrantly committed fraud and theft at the taxpayer’s expense. What imbeciles they are. In fact, Williams called on us all to “go easy” on them just yesterday. He has demonstrated once again just how out of touch he is to public opinion. He has also stated that he would be happy to have women subject to Sharia Law in this country – that will literally happen over my dead body. What a contemptible fool.

    God bless Christopher Hitchens. Laïcité, s’il vous plait!

  • [i]It wasn’t relevant within the context.[/i]

    It absolutely was relevant. To fail to mention that the very person attacking the BNP is a New Labour activist is completely out of order. It’s not like there is a (not so) hidden agenda at the BBC, is there? I loved the Immigrant Song Contest on Newsnight the other week – and so did Paxman, judging by the look on his face.

  • John O’Connell

    J NO C

    vast Sinn Fein conspiracy

    Where’s that coming from?

    I’m SDLP to the core

    You must not have thought through your support for the SDLP. Is it because you think they are all middleclass and any mention of uncool dogma is not part of the real SDLP? That’s exactly why we’re suffering at the moment – a weak soul and too many punters like you who just want to look good.

  • Big Maggie

    “To fail to mention that the very person attacking the BNP is a New Labour activist is completely out of order.”

    If you say so. To repeat: she was defending the clerics’ right to speak out.

  • John NO Connell

    I wouldn’t care what political affiliation you had – I’d still call you a fool because that’s exactly what you are. Now, please cease your usual hijacking of threads. Your views on SF are irrelevant to the present discussion. You are an attention-seeking buffoon and an embarassment to Derry, never mind the SDLP.

  • [i]To repeat: she was defending the clerics’ right to speak out.[/i]… yes, defending that right not because she values their infinite pearls of wisdom, but because she wants to discredit the BNP in any way possible as they are the greatest to New Labour’s vote, i.e. her party, at the next election.

  • John O’Connell

    John No Connell

    Do I detect a little change in the Sinn Fein strategy – let on you’re SDLP and give him stick.

    Why don’t you prove me wrong by expressing an opinion on the subject of the thread or is it the case that you’re typical Sinn Fein and it is all beyond your abilities?

  • John O’Connell

    Enoch was right

    You should be in a living museum, signing yourself off in such a way. If you think that New Labour are really that worried by the BNP then you should look at opinion polls putting BNP support today at around one per cent.

    The joy of being a unionist is that you can embrace figures such as Enoch Powell and still think of yourself as a white, British Christian.

    It just goes to show me that you have no knowledge of Christ or true Christian values. I’m truly sorry for you but then that wouldn’t mean much to you, I’m sure.

  • John,

    When was the last time you had sex? Are you a virgin (just like you’re mother)?

  • John O’Connell

    WHB

    I was right. A change in strategy, hiding behind an SDLP front. But the same old Sinn Fein.

    The same old annihilation anxieties caused by my website. Try http://johnoconnell.org/number_of_the_beast_calculat.htm

    The same old insults, the same lies and the same delusions that made Sinn Fein the greatest threat to this island’s peace of all time. But it won’t be long now until its all over.

  • Western Health Board

    Whatever do you mean John?!? Is the end nigh?! Do you crave the love of a good woman or are you content to die a virgin?!

  • John O’Connell

    WHB

    It’s all over for Gerry Adams. Richard O’Rawe & Co have signed his death warrant.

  • Harry Flashman

    This is simply one more incredibly stupid move in a long litany of ineptitude throughout this campaign to try and convince people not to vote BNP.

    So what have we had now? Well the entire mainstream political establishment from Boris Johnson through Norman Tebbit to Deinis McShane et al in the Labour Party have all said “don’t vote BNP!”, the entire media establishment from the Sun and the Daily Mail to the Guardian and the BBC have said “don’t vote BNP!” the Queen has got in on the act and now those pillars of political acumen the bishops of the Church of England have leapt aboard a bandwagon that with every bounce seems to lose another wheel.

    What precisely will be the result of all this blethering? Of course the BNP’s vote will be much bigger than ever and faced with the wall to wall hysteria that is associated with voting BNP that party will be able to claim that given a fair shout they could probably double their vote and they might well have a point.

    The campaign against the BNP has been unremittingly tin-eared, the establishment have chosen to sneer at, deride, demonise and ridicule the BNP and their voters, concentrating on massively important issues like their use of stock photos in their advertising literature (doesn’t every party?) or their invitations to Buck House garden parties.

    The single most effective thing to stop the BNP however is the one thing that has not for one second entered anyone’s thick head; ie try to address the issues that are leading people to vote for the bloody BNP. Oh no! That would be far too complicated, much better to simply mock and abuse potential BNP voters rather than find out what it is that is making them consider voting for such an awful bunch.

    Great strategy folks, in the morning after the elections let me know how well that worked out.

  • Wilde Rover

    An electorate that approves illegal wars, war crimes, acts of genocide, theft of resources of foreign nations and the general spread of misery on a global scale is now wringing their hands because of a moral concern about the rise of the BNP?

    Sometimes the doublethink at play is really quite hilarious.

  • OC

    Here in the States, any such blatantly political expression by the head of a religion would threaten that Church’s tax-exempt status.

  • Reader

    OC: Here in the States, any such blatantly political expression by the head of a religion would threaten that Church’s tax-exempt status.
    Abortion?

  • OC

    The head of a church cannot come out and say, “Vote for so-and-so,” and I imagine the same for, “Don’t vote for such-and-such party.”

    They can urge the congregation to reflect on the issues before voting.

    Freedom of expression is guaranteed, but sometimes there is an economic cost. If a church leader values principal over power, that’s how it should be, but rarely is.