Death of Shankill Butcher

Whilst it may not be particularly good form to speak ill of the dead, I think it is worth noting that one of the Shankill Butchers, William Moore, died last week, (he was buried on Thursday). At his trial the judge Mr Justice O’Donnell told him:You pleaded guilty to 11 murders carried out in a manner so cruel and revolting as to be beyond the comprehension of any normal human being.”
“I’m satisfied that, without you, many of the murders would not have been committed… I see no reason whatsoever, apart from terminal illness, why you should ever be released.”
He suggested an absolute minimum of 35 years imprisonment.
Of course Mr. Moore, like so many other criminals who committed extremely wrong acts, was released early. In Moore’s case after 19 years. According to the Belfast Telegraph he subsequently became involved in further criminality. Of course Mr. Moore is not alone in being a convicted murderer, released early on licence who returned to criminality. The list includes Stephen Irwin one of the Greysteel murderers.

At the time the system of justice was turned on its head and all these individuals released, it was explained that their crimes were because of the conflict and that without the conflict they would not have been criminals. These claims seem to have been refuted by the subsequent actions of a number of those released.

It is of course bad enough that murderers were released long before the appropriate time. However, there is worse to come. As I noted some months ago the Eames Bradley report contained more than just the loathsome £12,000 payment; it also suggested that the Quigley Hamilton working group on ex terrorists be given the force of law. To quote part of Quigley Hamilton.

2.6“…a conviction arising from the conflict should not bar an applicant from obtaining employment, facilities, and goods or services unless that conviction is manifestly incompatible with the job, facility or service in question. The onus of demonstrating incompatibility would, in the view of the group, rest with whoever was alleging it and the seriousness of the offence would not, per se constitute adequate grounds”
and
2.7“The report where an applicant is ruled out of consideration at any stage he/she should be given the opportunity to outline his/her perspective before a final decision is taken.”

It must be made very clear therefore that Lord Eames believes that in the case of the Shankill Butchers and the Greysteel murderers; having already been released long before due time, their evil acts should not be held against them in practically any circumstances. Indeed the onus is on any of us to demonstrate why we feel they are unsuitable for employment and furthermore we cannot point to their murderous acts as evidence.

As I have said throughout Eames Bradley is not fit for purpose and this election campaign and its aftermath must not be used as a smokescreen to push through their lazily thought out and morally vacuous report. The removal of the £12,000 should fool no one into accepting this document.

  • I just read in the Irish Times that a cameraman was attacked by a bunch of UVF scum as well, at that lowlife’s funeral. Rot in Pain RIP.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0523/1224247218564.html

  • No surprised the Police weren’t on hand to stop anything before it could start (as they should have been).

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Good for you for saying this Turgon. The number of risible thread on Slugger where dead Provos have been keened over by their fanboys & fangirls has been quite sickening – let’s hope this one doesn’t attract equally revolting admirers of the deceased.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The police warned the media to stay away. When they do that, it generally means two things : (a) they’re expecting trouble for outsiders and (b) they haven’t got the resources to police things to the extent that anyone engaging in intimidation is caught.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    ‘Outsiders’! Screw that: either this is a free country, or it’s gangster fiefdom where Capos give permission for who walks where and when. I appreciate that the Alliance have cheered us on ever deeper into our current squalid set-up, but some of us would prefer the police to stop being so persistently useless.

  • percy

    I see, so its the Alliances fault we have knuckle-dragging loyalists beating up on camera men.
    Who’d have thunk it?

  • oneill

    It’s one of those very few times that I wish I was a Christian; if hell, against all my expectations exists, hopefully he’s toasting.

  • james

    ‘I just read in the Irish Times that a cameraman was attacked by a bunch of UVF scum as well, at that lowlife’s funeral.’

    At least Shankill butcher Eddie McIlwaine has found a home with the Orange Order.

    http://www.troopsoutmovement.com/marchesuvfonspringfieldroadPicture.jpg

  • the joxer

    But have things really changed that much when a man like this is given a hero’s send-off by his supposedly reformed cohorts? The fact that the funeral was off-limits to everyone (including apparently the police) is hardly an indicator of the so-called new dispensation.

    Sectarian violence comes in peaks and troughs and we are only temporarily in the latter.

  • Driftwood

    To take up Turgon’s point.
    Did Eames and Bradley really think psychopaths like Moore and his republican counterparts were going to be given jobs in the Civil service or Tescos?
    Naive in the extreme. At least he didn’t pocket the 12 grand.

    Nice of the UVF to give him an honour guard. Like to hear what Dawn Purves has to say about that.
    1 police landrover and 2 cops a distance away, what if that photographer had suffered a worse fate?

  • LURIG

    Whether there is a God/greater being OR not I firmly believe in karma and what goes around comes around. If you have committed dastardly deeds to innocent people you will get your payback in this world or the next. Look at Johnny Adair and C company. Most of his murdering bloodthirsty thugs either ended up taking their own lives, taking drugs overdoses, being exiled abroad etc. Hopefully if there is something beyond this life Moore, Murphy, Bates and the rest of this devil’s spawn will burn in hell and torment for eternity. I hope as we speak the bastard is rotting in pain and suffering tortured by the Devil and his demons. He deserves every bit of it the scumbag.

  • Richard James

    “12.Whether there is a God/greater being OR not I firmly believe in karma and what goes around comes around. If you have committed dastardly deeds to innocent people you will get your payback in this world or the next. Look at Johnny Adair and C company. Most of his murdering bloodthirsty thugs either ended up taking their own lives, taking drugs overdoses, being exiled abroad etc.”

    Kind of explains the hunger strikers :O)

  • LURIG

    Richard

    Is that justification, cover or an excuse for what the Shankill Butchers did? It always struck me that many Unionists could NOT unreservedly condemn these bloothirtsy beasts for what they did WITHOUT reference to Republicans. It seemed that Unionism quenched it’s guilt by playing the Shankill Butchers off the other side when in effect they were nothing but a shower of crazy, sectarian, rabid psychopaths. I firmly believe that Unionism should hang it’s head in shame in the way it has dealt with the Shankill Butchers i.e. totally deny it, ignore it, hope it goes away OR blame it on the Provos. It gets Unionism off the hook rather than confront the evil hateful within monster. SHAME SHAME!!

  • Richard James

    “Is that justification, cover or an excuse for what the Shankill Butchers did?”

    Only in your fevered imagination LURIG :O)

    Just thinking of how your analysis applies to crazy, sectarian, rabid psychopaths like Bobby Sands.

  • Driftwood

    William Moore and Lenny Murphy were mirror images of Bobby Sands and Francis Hughes. At least they’re all together now. The worms can’t tell the difference.
    And none of the fuckers families will pocket Eames/Bradley 12 grand pay off.

  • Totally wrong. The cops let paramilitary scum take over Rathcoole. The PSNI were not in charge. If anything, knowing in advance about the funeral and paramilitary warnings the press (the 4th estate), by keeping only one car at a distance they actually conspired to let it happen.

    I don’t think Stalin was apologising or approving of the police actions. Explaining the rationale is different from agreeing with the rationale.

  • Dan Breen’s Revolver

    Human beings capacity for cruelty to one another is astonishing

  • Dan Breen’s Revolver

    “William Moore and Lenny Murphy were mirror images of Bobby Sands and Francis Hughes. At least they’re all together now. The worms can’t tell the difference.
    And none of the fuckers families will pocket Eames/Bradley 12 grand pay off. ”

    This statement, to me, is incomprehenible. Bobby sands did not torture and kill dozens of random people picked off street. In fact, he killed no one. Mirror images? You are insane

  • Harry Flashman

    “It always struck me that many Unionists could NOT unreservedly condemn these bloothirtsy beasts for what they did WITHOUT reference to Republicans.”

    No LURIG, it is you who are being hypocritical because it is you who wants to, quite rightly, condemn the sick, savage, foul, bloodthirsty, sectarian serial killers of Loyalism but who then goes on to treat the sick, savage, foul, bloodthirsty, sectarian serial killers of Republicanism as being morally superior. They weren’t, they were two sides of the same coin.

    Most Unionists have no difficulty whatsoever in condemning utterly and without reservation what those vile bastards did.

    It is Republicans who always have a huge difficulty when it comes to the vile bastards within their own ranks.

  • redhugh78

    ‘No surprised the Police weren’t on hand to stop anything before it could start’

    True to form concerning ‘police’ vanishing when loyalists were active.

  • LURIG

    Indeed no Harry but the international community have already decided. They made their minds up a long time ago on the morality of what was happening in Ireland. They knew what Republicans stood for and wanted whereas nobody, including many Loyalists, understood what they were about. Their modus operandi was “Kill All Taigs” and as quickly as possible. This culminated in the Shankill Butchers who killed for the sake of killing and who murdered for no other reason than hatred and bigotry; there was no ideology involved as most of them were known criminals and thugs. That’s why you will get award winning films at Cannes about Irish Nationalism BUT nothing similar about Unionism. Unionism is based on a false premise because it’s a so called ‘people’ wanting to claim, remain or be part of a country that doesn’t want them and who were planted by that country in a place they didn’t belong. Unionism is like Jacob Marley roaming space for all eternity not knowing where it IS OF or WHAT it is of.

  • USA

    Sammy,
    I’m sure we both agree that Comrade Stalin is more than capable of speaking for himself, and suspect you are correct that he would not condone the paramilitary actions in Rathcoole.
    However, I just don’t buy his rationale theory. The PSNI have plenty of resources at their disposal, they chose not to deploy them. The press were also kept away so the whole sorry mess would not be on the news and in the papers, thus avoiding difficult questions.
    It was simply a climb down on the part of the Police Service to accomodate a bunch of thugs.
    I hope the reporter is recovering.
    Disgraceful.

  • Harry Flashman

    Jesus LURIG, it seems to me the entire raison d’etre of your support of Republicanism is that they get more crappy movies made about them in Hollywood.

    Pretty lame don’t you think?

  • David

    Billy Moore served is time for what he did i got to know him 5 years ago and he was like a uncle to me he was a great man the time i know him ALL OF YOU DONT KNOW HIM SO WHY THE FUCK ARE U TALKING ABOUT HIM AND HIS FAMILY ARE A LOVELY FAMILY SO DONT SAY A BAD WORD AGAINST THEM. THAT CAMERAMAN WAS TOLD NOT TO BE THERE AT HIS FUNERAL I THINK THAT HE DESERVRED TO HAVE A FUNERAL IN PEACE AND BY THE WAY BILLY MOORE IS NOT A LOWLIFE IF U WANTED TO CALL ANYONE LOWLIFES U SHOULD BE CALLING THE RIRA LOWLIFES WOT THEY DID TO THE POCILE OFFICER AND THE POOR SOLIDERS

  • Dave

    “Their modus operandi was “Kill All Taigs” and as quickly as possible. This culminated in the Shankill Butchers who killed for the sake of killing and who murdered for no other reason than hatred and bigotry; there was no ideology involved as most of them were known criminals and thugs.”

    Gerry Adams and his mob mixing sugar with petrol to make napalm that would stick to the skin and clothing of Protestants at La Mon is on a par with anything that the Shankill Butchers ever accomplished in the sectarian murder game. The concept that sectarian murder doesn’t exist because a bunch of sectarian murders write a wee ‘green book’ that calls it something else is self-serving dementia.

    Unlike the Shinners, however, the loyalists achieved their political, pro-state aim with the Shinners formally accepting the legitimacy of the Unionist Veto as demanded since partition. It wasn’t unionism, but loyalism, that secured the union.

    Incidentally, the advantage that the loyalists offered the Shinners is that they gave the Catholics the impression that they needed the Shinners to defend them. The Shinners took full advantage of that by engaging in sectarian attacks that would ensure that the loyalists retaliated against the Catholics. The more taigs they killed, the more powerful the Shinners became in their ghettos and they more powerful they became, the more money they could raise for ‘the cause.’ The cause being holiday homes and Swiss bank accounts for the godfathers.

  • Richard James

    “22.Indeed no Harry but the international community have already decided. They made their minds up a long time ago on the morality of what was happening in Ireland.”

    Yup, British sovereignty over Northern Ireland is universally recognised :O)

  • New Blue

    Murder is murder is murder, no one murder can (or should) create a stronger reaction, we should equally comdemn the murder of innocents and condem who see the murder of innocents as a legitimate agenda.

    Lurig, you are obviously moved by these issues, but could I point out that what the Shankill Butchers did has NOTHING to do with Unionism.

    Unionism and so-called ‘loyalism’ are two very different things.

  • the joxer

    ‘Unionism and so-called ‘loyalism’ are two very different things. ‘

    But obviously not when Paisley and/or his sidekick, Peter, were marching alongside loyalist terrorists during the UWC Strike, up hills in Ballymena or down the main street of Clontibret.

    Many unionsis politician were meticulous in always excusing loyalist violence as reactive to IRA attacks.

  • New Blue

    Joxer

    This is just another example of ‘six county’ unionism.

    I am a unionist, I denounce the murder of innocents, regardless of who committed the act (and that includes the state). I do not accept the segregation of people by religious or cultural belief. I do not understand anyone who can define unionism through bigotry.

    Wearing a girl guides outfit does not make you a girl guide.

  • Turgon

    This is probably in part my fault for not mentioning Eames Bradley at the top of my piece but I notice that those who routinely come on to eulogise Eames Bradley and denounce me for disagreeing are nowhere to be seen on this thread. That despite at least one of them blogging this morning.

    Maybe defending Eames Bradley for proposing to wipe the Shankill Butchers slate clean is something they cannot do? Maybe they are too cowardly to come on and defend it?

  • oracle

    The media were warned to stay away from a family funeral, it was not a paramilitary parade but a private gathering.
    I think that whoever sent that photographer to a gathering of mourners from a working class background with paramilitary links steeped in a history of violence should hold their hands up to a mistake.
    I’m not saying that he shouldn’t have been there I think he should just incase a show of bravo was planed, but he should have been COVERT and accompanied.
    Just my thoughts on the issue

  • Billy was a good man

    [i]”Billy Moore served is time for what he did i got to know him 5 years ago and he was like a uncle to me he was a great man the time i know him ALL OF YOU DONT KNOW HIM SO WHY THE FUCK ARE U TALKING ABOUT HIM AND HIS FAMILY ARE A LOVELY FAMILY SO DONT SAY A BAD WORD AGAINST THEM. THAT CAMERAMAN WAS TOLD NOT TO BE THERE AT HIS FUNERAL I THINK THAT HE DESERVRED TO HAVE A FUNERAL IN PEACE AND BY THE WAY BILLY MOORE IS NOT A LOWLIFE IF U WANTED TO CALL ANYONE LOWLIFES U SHOULD BE CALLING THE RIRA LOWLIFES WOT THEY DID TO THE POCILE OFFICER AND THE POOR SOLIDERS
    Posted by David on May 24, 2009 @ 03:29 AM”[/i]

    David, good post mate, and I agree totally.

    Did you see this recent picture of Billy that a newspaper has published (scroll down a wee bit):

    [url=http://www.politics.ie/political-humour/70189-bulls-t-bulletin.html]RIP Billy (link)[/url]

  • the joxer

    ‘just incase a show of bravo was planed’

    I haven’t got Bravo meself but I see there a show on it tonight called ‘Brit Cops-Zero Tolerance’ -Not much zero tolerance in evidence from the PSNI in their handling of this funeral or the investigation into this serious assault.

  • Reader

    Dan Breen’s revolver: Bobby sands did not torture and kill dozens of random people picked off street. In fact, he killed no one.
    You have no idea what he did because he didn’t say. However, he was in the IRA for several extremely bloody years. You may prefer to believe he was utterly ineffectual and succeeded only in getting himself arrested on the only two occasions he was ever allowed to do anything.

  • the dubliner. Your hated of republican and nationalism is so out there that you’ll back a bunch of serial killing psychotic sick murderers on the loyalist side in order to score points in attacking irish nationalism. Remember your glory boys in fine gael murdered many peoople in cold blood back in 1922, so shut your fucking face you goddamn hypocrite!!

  • Glencoppagagh

    “they get more crappy movies made about them in Hollywood”

    but mostly made by wimpy British lefties for whom republican violence is the pornography of choice. Killing people in uniforms is just so thrilling.

  • Capablanca

    The deceased was only a pawn of Gordon Kerr and the British security services. During their reign of terror, the Butchers left clues galore, which were deliberately ignored by their handlers and securocrat allies and handlers.

    So, yes, the Butchers did awful things but let us not forget the war criminals behind them: HMQE11 and all her pawns, both big and small.

    I would like to see these people out on trial in Dublin and then hanged in Talbot Street (1974 bombs), Thomas Street (Robt Emmet) and the Croppy’s Acre.

    Ps: I also feel bad that celtic were pipped by the Huns, the team of choice for sectarian killers. But it is a crap league anyway. Condolences to the Geordies.

  • David

    but mostly made by wimpy British lefties for whom republican violence is the pornography of choice. Killing people in uniforms is just so thrilling.

    Posted by Glencoppagagh on May 24, 2009 @ 03:31 PM

    How can you say killing people in uniforms is thrilling they serve for you to save are lives.

    Both side are not that good they are the same as each other no one is good look at wot happen in the troubles people where killed. And you are talking about the shankill butchers u should look at wot the ira have done killed soldiers and killed people in the troubles

  • David

    Did you see this recent picture of Billy that a newspaper has published (scroll down a wee bit):

    RIP Billy (link)

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 24, 2009 @ 12:30 PM

    I saw that piture that is a pile of shit. I knew him and i went to church with i feel not he was save because he got save with his wife

  • Billy was a good man

    [i]”I saw that piture that is a pile of shit. I knew him and i went to church with i feel not he was save because he got save with his wife”[/i]

    Mungo like candy.

  • Big Maggie

    Wee Billy: I’m missing him already.

    “I saw that piture that is a pile of shit. I knew him and i went to church with i feel not he was save because he got save with his wife”

    Looks as if he also had friends among our immigrant friends. English for Special Purposes is very useful.

  • David

    Seems like our new friend “David” needs to take a basic literacy course. Grammar and spelling would be a good place to start David, then you could move onto big words like “murderer”.
    Get back to us when you can form a complete sentence.

    Posted by USA on May 24, 2009 @ 11:41 PM

    Know what who the fuck do u think u are. You are from the USA what do u get to say about what happens in NORTHERN IRELAND.

    Who do u all think u are half of u dont live in Northern Ireland wot gives u the right to talk about billy how do u think his family feel i know him all he deverse a second chance if it was a member of your family you would like that for ur family SO WH DONT U COME BACK WHEN U MOVE TO NORTHERN IRELAND.

    BILLY MOORE WAS A GOOD MAN HE SERVED HIS TIME SO WHY DONT U GET SOMETHING BETTER TO TALK ABOUT

  • Billy was a good man

    David,

    Was all that in Ulster Scots or are you really Mervyn from Give My Head Peace?

    If you think your friend was a good man I suggest you take a wee read of Martin Dillon’s ‘The Shankill Butchers’. Martin will put you straight. Don’t read before bedtime though, a mistake I made while first attempting it.

  • David

    David,

    Was all that in Ulster Scots or are you really Mervyn from Give My Head Peace?

    If you think your friend was a good man I suggest you take a wee read of Martin Dillon’s ‘The Shankill Butchers’. Martin will put you straight. Don’t read before bedtime though, a mistake I made while first attempting it.

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 25, 2009 @ 12:02 AM

    i know wot billy did was wrong the time i knew him from he was like a uncle to me that is why i am calling him a good man he tryed to turn his life around he had a lovely wife and family. The thing is u are all talking about him like u know him u all dont i knew him he was a great man the time i knew him and like i said he was like a uncle to me so that is whhy i hate people saying bad thiings about him think of his family they could be reading wot people are saying it hurts them

    RIP BILLY MOORE

  • Billy was a good man

    And Hitler liked animals and was good with children. This must mean he was a good man too. And no one on here can say otherwise because they didn’t know him.

    You have no idea really what he done do you?

    If he didn’t want people saying bad things about him when he died he shouldn’t have gone around picking up innocent people to torture to death for fun then should he have?

    Just dry your eyes and go and read The Shankill Butchers.

  • David

    I do know wot the stuff he did and i have read the Shankill Butchers book.

    Billy Moore was young when he did. You dont know billy moore and u didnt know wot he was like theese past couple of years and i bet ur not from Northern Ireland u ask any one in rathcoole and belfast if they knew billy moore a couple of years ago and ask them was he a greact man i dont like what billy did but he was young he didnt killed loads of people all his live hilter did and if u want to talk about bad people look what the RIRA did to al them people in the troubles and this year killed 2 soliders and a pocile officer

  • Billy was a good man

    He was about the same age I am now when he ran about cutting people’s throats for a laugh. I reckon that’s old enough to know better.

    You’ve read what your hero done yet still you think he’s a good man? You fucking cretin.

    And in the last couple of years the poor fella was only involved in a drugs ring, that’s when he wasn’t rescuing kittens from trees and helping nuns across the road.

    I only hope hell is a republic.

  • David

    He was about the same age I am now when he ran about cutting people’s throats for a laugh. I reckon that’s old enough to know better.

    You’ve read what your hero done yet still you think he’s a good man? You fucking cretin.

    And in the last couple of years the poor fella was only involved in a drugs ring, that’s when he wasn’t rescuing kittens from trees and helping nuns across the road.

    I only hope hell is a republic.

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 25, 2009 @ 12:41 AM

    by the way he was in that drug ring 10 years ago and have of the stuff about the drug ring is not true i knew wot he did was wrong i am not saying he is a hero he was wrong for doing that i am talking about the year he knew me and we went to church together and i say him getting saved so god as forgiven him why cant you he was wrong for doing that.

    i bet ur saying this because ur from ireland or ur a catholic and there is still some clatholices engaging in sectarian attacks. You have ur name for us u call us huns u write on the wall KAH so wot is this doing for northern ireland nothing

    so your saying it was ryt for the rira to kill thoose people

  • Big Maggie

    David,

    “he had a lovely wife and family.”

    That’s arguably the most depressing statement on this whole thread. That this monster passed on his genetic material! I hope his offspring can obtain counselling somewhere. Christ knows what they inherited.

  • Me like Mr. Billy :-)

    [i] bet ur saying this because ur from ireland or ur a catholic and there is still some clatholices engaging in sectarian attacks. You have ur name for us u call us huns u write on the wall KAH so wot is this doing for northern ireland nothing

    so your saying it was ryt for the rira to kill thoose people [/i]

    And the award for most the pathetic, ill-educated contributor goes to….

  • David

    David,

    “he had a lovely wife and family.”

    That’s arguably the most depressing statement on this whole thread. That this monster passed on his genetic material! I hope his offspring can obtain counselling somewhere. Christ knows what they inherited.

    Posted by Big Maggie on May 25, 2009 @ 12:52 AM

    His kids are good people i know them and i say that they love billy and they will grow up 2 be good people despite wot billy did

  • Billy was a good man

    He was a cunt who should have been drowned at birth.

    For some strange reason I feel sorry for you, probably because you’re so heartbreakingly simple, so I’ll continue to talk to you. I don’t know where you’re pulling this notion you’re espousing about your subhuman friend who is in hell being a good man because the RIRA are scumbags too, but to answer your ‘point’ I believe it was as right for the RIRA to shoot those people as it was for poor, good Billy to pick up innocent people and cut their throats. And both done it for the same reason: bloodlust.

    So why are the RIRA bad people but your subhuman savage of a friend was a good boy who simply made a few youthful indiscretions?

  • Burn in hell you piece of shit

    [i]so your saying it was ryt for the rira to kill thoose people [/i]

    Show us exactly where anyone on this thread explicitly said or even implied this….

  • Dave

    Me no understand what youthful indiscretions meanz. Plz xplane mister

    Billy was a good man cos he bot me wollypops., hE Never slit my froat or anythintg

  • Billy was a good man

    I just burst out laughing there.

  • Billy was a good man

    This is the most surreal thing has ever happened me on the internet.

    I actually can’t believe that this is happening.

  • David

    He was a cunt who should have been drowned at birth.

    For some strange reason I feel sorry for you, probably because you’re so heartbreakingly simple, so I’ll continue to talk to you. I don’t know where you’re pulling this notion you’re espousing about your subhuman friend who is in hell being a good man because the RIRA are scumbags too, but to answer your ‘point’ I believe it was as right for the RIRA to shoot those people as it was for poor, good Billy to pick up innocent people and cut their throats. And both done it for the same reason: bloodlust.

    So why are the RIRA bad people but your subhuman savage of a friend was a good boy who simply made a few youthful indiscretions?

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 25, 2009 @ 01:01 AM

    HE mite be a cunt but he still has a lovely family and friends that love him u can make up ur own mind wot u think of him but i have good memorys of billy so why the hell shud i talk to u

    RIRA ARE SCUMBAGS THAT DESERVED TO GO TO JAIL TO AND SO DOES THE UDA AND UVF I FELL THAT PEOPLE THAT WANTED A PEACEFUL NORTHERN IRELAND SHUD FUCK THE UDA AND UVF AND IRA OUT TEENAGERS LIKE ME AND KIDS ARE THE FUTURE WE CAN CHANGE THE FACE OF NORTHERN IRELAND

  • David

    dOnt laff at me mister, . Bill’y never laffed at me coz he was nice; he tucked me into bed at beddy tym to coz he liked me the same as his lovely wife n kidz 🙂

    hez’ up ther in heaven now smilin down wif gOD. what do u even kno like coz ur just a kafolic who likes da real ira

  • David

    YOU ALL CAN MAKE UP UR OWN THOUGHTS ON THIS BUT THERE IS PEOPLE LIKE ME AND PEOPLE FROM RATHCOOLE AND HIS FAMILY KNEW HIM AND LOVED HIM FOR THE MAN HE WAS.

    I KNOW THAT BILLY WAS NOT A GREAT MAN BUT HE LOVED HIS WIFE AND FAMILY AND HIS MATES.

    YOU ARE ALL SAD THAT U HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND U HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH UR TIME

  • Billy was a good man

    me no wat billy dun bad but he gud man now coz sold me 2 e tabs 4 fiver wen me 8.

  • Kids are da future

    David Langdown: have you got school tomorrow or are you off for the Bank Holiday?

  • David

    me no wat billy dun bad but he gud man now coz sold me 2 e tabs 4 fiver wen me 8.

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 25, 2009 @ 01:14 AM

    know wot ur a dickhead and a prick and u need a life

  • Driftwood

    Just pull/delete this thread now Moderator(s)

    Beyond pathetic and someone might take it seriously.

  • David

    David Langdown: have you got school tomorrow or are you off for the Bank Holiday?

    Posted by Kids are da future on May 25, 2009 @ 01:14 AM

    why shud i tell u if i have school tomara

  • Billy was a good man

    “know wot ur a dickhead and a prick and u need a life”

    wot u mean u nat no me me got familty 2 me luv dem so wot u no bout me u no nething dat wot u no me gud boy

  • David

    “know wot ur a dickhead and a prick and u need a life”

    wot u mean u nat no me me got familty 2 me luv dem so wot u no bout me u no nething dat wot u no me gud boy

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 25, 2009 @ 01:20 AM

    ur on this talking about people when u good be doing something with ur life and spend urr time with ur family but no u have to be on this talking about people u dont know

  • Billy was a good man

    [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/gmhp/images/luke-biog.gif]”ur on this talking about people when u good be doing something with ur life and spend urr time with ur family but no u have to be on this talking about people u dont know”[/url]

  • David

    “ur on this talking about people when u good be doing something with ur life and spend urr time with ur family but no u have to be on this talking about people u dont know”

    Posted by Billy was a good man on May 25, 2009 @ 01:27 AM

    Just to let u know i knew billy moore

  • Anon

    [i]Just to let u know i knew billy moore[/i]

    And now you don’t because he’s dead – and that thought makes a lot of people very happy.

    Why can’t you accept that? You probably hate Bobby Sands’ guts; yet a lot of people hold him in high esteem, whether or not they knew him.

    Now, relax, go brush your teeth and go to bed because Mrs. Campbell will be mad tomorrow if you can’t tell her the capital of Spain in Geography class because you’re half asleep.

  • David

    Just to let u know i knew billy moore

    And now you don’t because he’s dead – and that thought makes a lot of people very happy.

    Why can’t you accept that? You probably hate Bobby Sands’ guts; yet a lot of people hold him in high esteem, whether or not they knew him.

    Now, relax, go brush your teeth and go to bed because Mrs. Campbell will be mad tomorrow if you can’t tell her the capital of Spain in Geography class because you’re half asleep.

    i know billy is died but its hard when u get people like u talking about him and i am only sticking up for his name and i dont hate bobby sands as i didnt know him and i dont think i should be talking about someone i dont know i am not like u talking about someone u dont know and by the way i am off tomarrow because its a bank holiday

  • Billy was a good man

    Good man, David, you keep sticking up for his good name and don’t let the silly people on here give him a bad one like they’re trying to. They’d drag any serial killer’s name through the mud they would.

  • Hungry Hughes

    Why do people not talk about meee

  • Dave

    “the dubliner. Your hated of republican and nationalism is so out there that you’ll back a bunch of serial killing psychotic sick murderers on the loyalist side in order to score points in attacking irish nationalism. Remember your glory boys in fine gael murdered many peoople in cold blood back in 1922, so shut your fucking face you goddamn hypocrite!!” – dave

    I pointed out that loyalist violence had a political purpose (pro-state, defending the realm, defending the status quo, defending the Unionist Veto). I also pointed out that, unlike the Shinners, the loyalists were successful in their use of violence for political purposes. The Shinners, of course, surrendered their objection to the legitimacy of British rule and their weapons, whereas the loyalists did not. And why exactly would the winning side in a conflict surrender weapons? That’s never happened before. That symbolism is only required from the losing side. The loyalists don’t need a political role because their political objectives are advanced by those who serve the status quo, i.e. all of the main political parties in Northern Ireland. It is not simply violent means to an end that has been abandoned by the Shinners but the end itself. Removing the border under the British-controlled Shinners is not about removing British rule from the island of Ireland but is actually about extending the British constitutional structures that exist in Northern Ireland into Ireland. They are servants of their masters.

    You are confusing “republican and nationalism” provisionalism because you are brainwashed by Provo propaganda. You cannot be a republican if you do not believe in the principle of national self-determination. And if you do believe in the principle of national self-determination, then you cannot claim that small groups of thugs have the right to use violence to overrule the will of the majority. Provisionalism holds that little groups of thugs can declare themselves to be legitimate governments, declaring that the people do not have the right to elect their own government.

    There is no point trying to compare provisionalism and its demented thugs with the Easter Rising where actual republicans acted to assert the right to national self-determination on behalf of the nation and it was secured for the nation they abided by the will of the nation. Clearly, dolt, those who abide by the collective will of the nation are not comparable to those who do not. The former are patriots and the latter are treasonous fascists.

    What drove the Shinners was the desire for wealth and power that masqueraded as nationalism. At the end of the day, all they held sacred was their wealth and their power with all of the rest being fully expendable. In that regard, militant nationalism is a great little money making racket where the muppets ‘volunteer’ to assist in the criminal rackets for a pittance wages and the godfathers laugh all the way to the Swiss bank.

    Now, like Garibaldi, I encourage nationalism wherever there is a nation. 😉

  • Harry Flashman

    If this wasn’t a thread about an insane, vicious, psychopathic, headfucked, throat slashing, deranged, driller killer murdering scumbag it would actually be very funny.

    However I’m inclined to agree with Driftwood, it might be better if it was pulled now out of good taste and respect to the families of his victims.

  • Dave

    “the dubliner. Your hated of republican and nationalism is so out there that you’ll back a bunch of serial killing psychotic sick murderers on the loyalist side in order to score points in attacking irish nationalism. Remember your glory boys in fine gael murdered many peoople in cold blood back in 1922, so shut your fucking face you goddamn hypocrite!!” – dave

    I pointed out that loyalist violence had a political purpose (pro-state, defending the realm, defending the status quo, defending the Unionist Veto). I also pointed out that, unlike the Shinners, the loyalists were successful in their use of violence for political purposes. The Shinners, of course, surrendered their objection to the legitimacy of British rule and their weapons, whereas the loyalists did not. And why exactly would the winning side in a conflict surrender weapons? That’s never happened before. That symbolism is only required from the losing side. The loyalists don’t need a political role because their political objectives are advanced by those who serve the status quo, i.e. all of the main political parties in Northern Ireland. It is not simply violent means to an end that has been abandoned by the Shinners but the end itself. Removing the border under the British-controlled Shinners is not about removing British rule from the island of Ireland but is actually about extending the British constitutional structures that exist in Northern Ireland into Ireland. They are servants of their masters.

    You are confusing “republican and nationalism” provisionalism because you are brainwashed by Provo propaganda. You cannot be a republican if you do not believe in the principle of national self-determination. And if you do believe in the principle of national self-determination, then you cannot claim that small groups of thugs have the right to use violence to overrule the will of the majority. Provisionalism holds that little groups of thugs can declare themselves to be legitimate governments, declaring that the people do not have the right to elect their own government.

    There is no point trying to compare provisionalism and its demented thugs with the Easter Rising where actual republicans acted to assert the right to national self-determination on behalf of the nation and it was secured for the nation they abided by the will of the nation. Clearly, dolt, those who abide by the collective will of the nation are not comparable to those who do not. The former are patriots and the latter are treasonous fascists.

    What drove the Shinners was the desire for wealth and power that masqueraded as nationalism. At the end of the day, all they held sacred was their wealth and their power with all of the rest being fully expendable. In that regard, militant nationalism is a great little money making racket where the muppets ‘volunteer’ to assist in the criminal rackets for a pittance wages and the godfathers laugh all the way to the Swiss bank.

    Now, like Garibaldi, I encourage nationalism wherever there is a nation. 😉

  • Dave

    And by the way, at least the Shankill Butchers only tortured their victims for a few days. Some of the La Mon victims were still receiving burns treatment to this very day. Just as all those who had their limbs blown off by the Shinners continue to suffer. There is no difference between the two sets of sectarian murder gangs in terms of being morally degenerate scum.

  • Billy was a good man

    [i]”However I’m inclined to agree with Driftwood, it might be better if it was pulled now out of good taste and respect to the families of his victims.”[/i]

    Good point because while his little friend got it completely arse about face this thread could end up upsetting a grieving family. That is that it could upset the family of one of the victims of the William Moore creature to see that piece of subhuman psycho shit being called a ‘good man’.

  • — David,

    RIRA ARE SCUMBAGS THAT DESERVED TO GO TO JAIL TO AND SO DOES THE UDA AND UVF I FELL THAT PEOPLE THAT WANTED A PEACEFUL NORTHERN IRELAND SHUD FUCK THE UDA AND UVF AND IRA OUT TEENAGERS LIKE ME AND KIDS ARE THE FUTURE WE CAN CHANGE THE FACE OF NORTHERN IRELAND

    Well said and the very best of luck to you. I do hope you change it for the better.

    — Everyone else,

    Leave him alone.

    — Kids are da future,

    Nice calling out the kid’s name. You’re a brave wee man, aren’t you.

    — Moderator,

    This thread should immediately be pulled for obvious reasons.

  • Gabriel

    Dan Breen’s revolver: Bobby sands did not torture and kill dozens of random people picked off street. In fact, he killed no one.

    ————————————————

    Dan are you sure about that ? 🙂

  • billsmith

    With “nice guy” William Moore’s death, the senior leadership of the Butchers has all but left us (far too late, unfortunately). Did the surviving top-notcher, “Mr A” (he of the common Irish surname…), attend Moore’s funeral to pay his respects along with the other leading UVF and RHC figures?

  • Dubliner. No mate, it is you who are confusing republicanism and nationalism, irish nationalists want a united ireland (check each of the parties manifestos) and irish republicans want a united ireland. So less of the waffle and the crass attempts at trite humour in relation to the shankill butchers and how long it took the victims to die. Do you detest all northern nationalists, every one of them? You are so blind in your hatred of Irish nationalism so I would say you are the one brainwashed, DOLT!

  • David

    Just to let you all know i dont hate anyone from ireland i have loads of friends from ireland and i also went to lourdes with an irish group and i dont like billy for what he did i am only talking about he years he went to church with me i am not calling him a good man for what he did to them poor people that is evil to do that to anyone i am not saying he is a good man i am only tallking about the time i knew him from and i would just like to say i dont hate people from ireland

  • Big Maggie

    David,

    Careful. Your last comment was almost literate, bar the lack of caps and punctuation. Go on like that and you risk betraying yourself as the troll you undoubtedly are.

    Who knows but Sluggerites of older vintage than mine may even recognize you!