Two Tory MEPs back Jim, er Allister…

Wrong Jim lads, wrong Jim… Nicholson’s the party’s official horse in the race… My colleague at the Daily Telegraph knows a good small ‘c’ conservative MEP when he sees one, and Allister, it would appear is it:

“Northern Ireland is tremendously lucky to have Jim Allister…he is a champion of the whole of the UK, not just for Ulster, a genuine patriot, a tireless defender of our national interests. Jim Allister is Northern Ireland’s best friend in the European Parliament.”

Jim Helmer is the other:

“With his analytical mind, Jim Allister, in a few sentences, can expose the Lisbon Treaty as the charter for EU super-statehood, which it undoubtedly is. His presence in Parliament, not just as a great ambassador for Northern Ireland, but as a leader of Euro-scepticism has been invaluable. I hope very much we shall continue to work together in the next European Parliament.”

Reg, when did you last talk to David?

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  • ABC

    Call Me Dave will be pleased….

  • Eurocrat

    Helmer does not sit with the conservatives in the European Parliament. Whilst he is a Conservative MEP he does not sit with the EPP-ED group and is a non-attached member like Allister. Helmer fell out with the EPP-ED group years ago due to their federalist, pro-europe overtones.[Behave! – Mods]

  • alan56

    Allister will love this. Wonder has Cameron commented yet?

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Helmer’s very far from being a nut, tho’ conventionally he’s called ‘Roger’, rather than ‘Jim’. But perhaps all Norn Iron coverage of the Euro electgions has to preface every candidate’s name with Jim? Hannan (not as Jim A’s website has it, ‘Hannon’) is, on the other hand, a nut, and studiously unpleasant. He’s also Peurvian, but I don’t hold that against him. Though it does go a long way to explain the tinny, ersatz nature of his overly self-conscious patriotism. He’s much like de Valera in that he feels the need to over-compensate for his self-suspecting origins. And for what it’s worth, there’s not a single Eurosceptic on the Tory right who hasn’t been personally let down by him at one point or another. For good reason he’s regarded as a Leader’s Office tout, and, to cap his list of crimes against Laughing (Tory) Unionism, he was the author of Hague’s vile ‘foreign land’ speech. But enough of him.

    Being honest, if I could be bothered to vote, and I can’t, I’d go TUV 1 (to send exactly the same sort of signal to my actual first preference mainland Tories do when they vote UKIP 1 in the blissfully irrelevant European election), and then have a lot of head-scratching to do about number 2. I suppose I ought to stick with my party and go UUP 2, but Nicholson is such an insultingly useless candidate (who has done persisently FA of any use, for NI in general, and for the UUP in partisan particular since he started squatting at Strasbourg & Brussels) that I can’t. Yet I do think Tory reunion is the right thing to do. Dodds, dismal as it is to say this, is a more credible individual than Nicholson – she’ll work harder, do more for Unionism tout court, and generally be a more impressive political performer. Whereas Nicholson, as and when he stumbles over the finish line on her coat tails will simply slump back into the cosy cartel of Strasbourh committees, but this time with the formal backing of whatever post EPP-ED grouping we manage to put together. So if I could summon the enthusiasm, I think it would be TUV 1; DUP2l UUP3.

    For what little it is worth, I can’t really see how the numbers are going to pan out any way other than the result being one each for the UUP, the DUP & Sinn Fein. And even if Unionist vote-shredding somehow managed to fluke an SDLP win at Nicholson’s expense, the collective ‘so what?’ is already exhausting to think on. The sole point of interest in this poll, with a view to future Stormont elections, and possibly, just possibly, the next general election, is the size of Allister’s first prefernce tally. My punt says, while he’s not going to win, he is going to surprise people.

  • Disinterested observer

    Yawn, yawn. So Jim Allister has dug up a couple of old quotes from when two UK MEPs were being polite about a colleague from the UK.
    Hannan will of course be totally in support for the Conservative and Unionist candidate.
    This is a complete non story

  • Eurocrat

    Thats for that Archie. Sorry if I upset you, nothing personal. I am amused that you think the EU is ‘a fraudulent organisation’ and that ‘those like Helmer and Allister who work within it to expose it’. Thus surely this further gives legitimacy to the EU? Helmer and Allister dont expose it – they are part of it, whether you like it or not! For sure Jim Allister is a hard worker in Europe, and his attendance at plenary sessions is very good I know that. But he is peripheralised and he will not be in the European Parliament come the next term. Helmer on the other hand may soon find himself out of the Conservative Party- his recent remarks will only further alienate him from the Conservative leadership.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Risible sub-spin DO. The way to do this is to point out that as there’s only one ‘Tory’ candidate for a three spot seat (the useless, lazy, incompetent, inarticulate, clueless, utterly achivement-free Jimmy Nick), so of course Hannan and Helmer are perfectly at liberty to support AN Other pro-Union Eurosceptic for one of the two other spots. Indeed, they’d be irresponsible not to. After all, we don’t want to write those two seats off in favour of pro-EU, anti-Union nationalists, do we?

  • Carson’s Cat

    Hmmmm… you have to wonder if Allister really believes this is gonna shift votes.

    Nicholson has the full official endorsement of Dave and the general populous officially couldn’t give a sh*te. Two obscure, and fringe Tory MEPs aint gonna give Allister any of the stardust he’s obviously looking for.

    Mick
    “My colleague at the Daily Telegraph knows a good small c conservative MLA when he sees one,”

    Err Allister isn’t an MLA – he wants to be one, but doesn’t want the Assembly which has to exist for him to be one…

    You have to laugh at Allister’s attempt to get down with the Yoof though by mentioning how many hits Dan Hannan had got on YouTube…

    By that logic maybe we can expect Susan Boyle wheeled out to bolster the nut-job TUV campaign next week!

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Populace old man – a populace can be populous, but not, grammatically, the other way round. Meanwhile what it does tell us is that a pair of professional politicians, who have had practical experience of both men (Nicholson & Allister), and who know full well what they’re at when they give open support to a candidate who’s not of their party, are unambiguously clear about which of them is the total and utter dud. I’ll repeat, much as his faltering media performances have repeatedly demonstrated – selecting Nicholson as our candidate should be regarded as an act of calculated contempt for Unionist, conservative and Eurosceptic voters. And only isn’t solely because Reg isn’t capable of consciously calculating anything.

  • Mack

    Jim Allister attacks the DUP and lets SF off the hook. It seems that he is the worst MEP who is pocketing almost £5000 a year for office rent when he admitted that he bought and paid for his office with his own money. He attacks the DUP for its expenses and pockets this amount of money.

  • Silverline

    (TUV) Turncoats Unionist Voice could cost Unionism a seat the UUP are in meltdown, it was interesting to hear Allister propose a new Committee for Stormont in a debate with Dodd’s for the three MEPs to sit on as well. I thought he was against extra waste; this is hardly a sign of someone not wanting to share power with Sinn Fein. In fact let’s look at his record.
    A) Prepared to share power with Sinn Fein in a super council styled model
    B) Agree that not elements of the St Andrews Agreement were bad
    C) Wont reveal expenses in Europe
    D) Now proposing a new Committee for Stormont
    E) Left the DUP over one issue wanting to have a longer testing period for Sinn Fein before agreeing to go into a Voluntary Coalition
    F) Helped to negotiate St Andrews Agreement

    Seems like a lot of double standards by the (TUV)

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Oh give it up Mack. The DUP are where they are today precisely because they have spent three decades ripping the UUP to shreds, regardless of what doing so meant for the overall interests of Unionism as a whole. Selfish, short-sighted and short-termist are words the DUP should have the copyright for. And as for expenses spiviness, if you really want to go there, let’s.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Yeah, Silverline, so many ‘double standards’ from Allister. He’s really a vote-splitting turncoat isn’t he? All those years spent saying, nay, shouting and screaming one thing (and denouncing other folk for doing it), then shamelessly doing it oneself. Why the very idea of it! Let’s leave that sort of stuff to that old fool and bigot Paisley,a nd that other fellow sho slavishly followed him at evry turn and u-turn. I’ve forgotten his name: Spareabobinson? Morepublicmoneyson? Lobmesomecashinson? Something like that. Whoever he was, he used to have a very high opinion of Jim Allister. Well, he did when Jim Allister used to believe what this bloke used to believe. Odd thing is, Allister still believes what that guy used to believe. And you can see how that would get under somebody’s skin – guilt, a terrible thing.

  • LE

    Silverline,

    You are more repetitive than Diane Dodds in a 5 second interview.

    Stop parroting off the same Ctrl+V garb. You have posted that comment too many times to count. Everyone saw it the first time and didn’t comment so move on and stop the schoolgirl-like obsession with Mr Allister.

    I am sure he will send you an autographed manifesto if you ask nicely.f

  • oneill

    “two nutters back nutter”

    Two arch Euro-sceptics (perhaps) back fellow arch Euro-sceptic is closer to the truth. And I’m also a sceptic regarding when Jim A actually got these “messages of support”.

    Still, tidy little bit of propaganda skillfully delivered at exactly the right moment- it will have zero effect squared on the the people that actually count.

    While we’re on the subject on the renegade Europhobes, why hasn’t Tebbit been kicked out yet for endorsing the UKIP/BNP?

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Tebbit hasn’t been kicked out of anything, you pathetic smear merchant, because he hasn’t endorsed the thing you’ve just made up: “UKIP/BNP”. And maybe the time for you to start giving Norman Tebbit lectures on anything, even imaginary political parties, is when you too have spent a few hours under the rubble produced by the Provo bomb that crippled your wife for life.

  • CS Parnell

    Pseronally, I am hoping Parsley gets in off Alban’s redistributed preferences when he tops the poll and makes quota.

    This is an election about Europe and the only two candidates with even an ounce of sense on the issue are two already mentioned.

    The real nutters are Dodds, DeBrun, Nicholson and Allister who spout stone age rhetoric about the thing they all no doubt call “the common market”. (Just like they would all called the republic “the Free State”).

    This isn’t about dissing Sinn Fein – they all agree ffs.

    Stone age politicians with stone age politics. If you vote for any of the four stooges you belong in the Ulster Museum.

  • oneill

    Laughing Tory

    I’m not sure what the injuries suffered by his wife at the hands of the IRA have got to do with his views on Europe or his advice for people to vote UKIP (he did advise against voting for the BNP, so sorry).

    http://tinyurl.com/p7wtbg

    Cameron subsequently gave him a warning.

  • Dave

    “The EU is a fraudulent organisation and those like Helmer and Allister who work within it to expose it are not ‘nuts’ but wise men….it is people like you who are the nuts.” – Archie Purple
    Very well said.

    “And for what it’s worth, there’s not a single Eurosceptic on the Tory right who hasn’t been personally let down by him at one point or another. For good reason he’s regarded as a Leader’s Office tout…” – Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Do you have any examples to support this claim? Dan Hannan is highly regarded on the Tory right, both personally and professionally. 27 Tory MEPs and MPs joined his Direct Democracy movement, so he is far from a the forlorn and disliked figure that you seek to protray him as. In fact, I can’t think of a single MP who has expressed the sentiments that you attribute to them.

    “He’s also Peurvian, but I don’t hold that against him. Though it does go a long way to explain the tinny, ersatz nature of his overly self-conscious patriotism. He’s much like de Valera in that he feels the need to over-compensate for his self-suspecting origins.” – Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Gold star for the risible psychobabble.

  • Disinterested observer

    ‘Hannan and Helmer are perfectly at liberty to support AN Other pro-Union Eurosceptic for one of the two other spots. ‘
    I think you will find they are not it

  • Straight talk

    Who the hell gives a damn?? Jim Allister is toast!! Some of the people on here just seem to go on and on… and on. Simple conclusion: Jim Allister had better pack is bags- because his cosy little European holiday in Brussels is OVER! Good riddance is what I say.

  • Slugger O’Toole Admin

    LTU,

    “The sole point of interest in this poll, with a view to future Stormont elections, and possibly, just possibly, the next general election, is the size of Allister’s first prefernce tally. My punt says, while he’s not going to win, he is going to surprise people.”

    I don’t agree that this is the sole interest, but it is likely to be the most immediately significant aspect. Think of his total vote in terms of practical Assembly constituency quotas, and that will give you a measure of that surprise.

    Oh, and quit the personal stuff! All of you!

    CC, Nevin pointed that out last night, but I couldn’t get to it… Slip of the fingers… 🙁

  • oneill

    From yesterday’s Newsletter:

    Speaking to the News Letter, Mr Helmer, MEP for the East Midlands, was careful to stress that he was not endorsing Mr Allister over Jim Nicholson, the candidate standing with the support of both the Ulster Unionists and the Tories.

    He said that the statement was a “character reference” and that if he were voting he would give Mr Allister his second preference vote after Mr Nicholson.

    In his statement, Mr Helmer said: “With his analytical mind, Jim Allister, in a few sentences, can expose the Lisbon Treaty as the charter for EU super-statehood, which it undoubtedly is.

    “His presence in Parliament, not just as a great ambassador for Northern Ireland, but as a leader of Euro-scepticism has been invaluable.

    “I hope very much we shall continue to work together in the next European Parliament.”

    The News Letter was unable to contact Mr Hannan, but, writing on his Daily Telegraph blog in December, the senior Tory said: “At present, Northern Ireland is tremendously lucky to have, alongside UUP and Sinn Fein MEPs, a man who is independent in every sense: Jim Allister.

    “Jim was elected on the DUP ticket, but left that party when it went back on its promise and formed a coalition with Sinn Fein.

    “Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the DUP left Jim Allister: he is the only unionist politician who has stuck to the position on which all unionists were, until very recently, elected.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Jim Alistair is a great ambassador for us in Europe. He’ll do more for the ordinary person in N.Ireland than Diane Dodds, Jim Nicholson and the rest put together. He’s the perfect candidate for an MEP.

  • ??

    He’ll do more for the ordinary person in N.Ireland than Diane Dodds, Jim Nicholson and the rest put together.

    ……….

    so in the last 5 years what has jim actually provided for the province??

  • Ulsters my homeland