Dissident threat to Martin McGuinness

All the major news outlets are covering the news that the police have warned Martin McGuinness that there is a threat to his life from dissident republicans. Mr. McGuinness seems relatively un fazed by this (from the BBC):

“It is believed this threat comes from a so-called dissident grouping,” Mr McGuinness said in a statement issued on Friday morning.
“I have spent my entire adult life engaged in the republican struggle to bring about Irish unity and independence.
Throughout that time there have been numerous attempts made to silence me and stop me going about my republican work.”

  • Cold Player

    The dogs on the street already knew this. Therefore, the fact that he’s decided to go on record about it raises some interesting questions. Publicity stunt.

    It’s quite funny (and deeply hypocritical) how he’s prepared to take the Brits at their word now, the same people that allegedly had it in for him for decades, and not when they issued a similar warning nearly 2 months ago.

  • Cuairteoir

    and deeply hypocritical

    Do you not know that time moves on, situations change and, most of, progress takes place?

  • alan56

    All well and goood to be cynical, indeed understandable. Buy imagine if dissidents successfully killed Martin and Gerry, what would be the impact on the peace process? Any thoughts?

  • alan56

    All well and goood to be cynical, indeed understandable. But imagine if dissidents successfully killed Martin and Gerry, what would be the impact on the peace process? Any thoughts?

    (sorry for typo)

  • Scaramoosh

    So, the so called cause of Irish Freedom has descended into being nothing more than a matter of settling old grudges?

  • Cold Player

    [i]time moves on, situations change[/i]

    Quite a remarkable change in attitude in the space of less than two months then. All it took was the deaths of three of our security forces within 48 hours for him to see sense. That’s quite pathetic and says a lot about the man. He can be credulous when it suits him, it would seem.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    If a (previously anti-Stormont, but currently partition-administering) Republican, who had previously murdered (lots of) people is himself murdered by another Republican and said second Republican then, thirty years after this murder, comes round to seeing the sense in sitting at Stormont and not anymore murdering people (and we all applaud that, because it’s Good for Peace), is there a word for this in Irish, because there certainly isn’t one in English?

    My next question will be, if Party A (an ex-murdering, ex-anti-partition-administering Republican), who’s actually a British intelligence asset is murdered by Party B, a still-anti-partition-administering, still-murdering Republican, who then also subsequently turns out to be a British agent, who pays the pension?

  • Scaramoosh

    The so called dissidents once more reveal their one-dimensional thinking.

    They allegedly killed Denis Donaldson, when in fact, alive, he represented a significant embarassment to both Sinn Fein and the British. (The blood lust, of course, overrode such considerations).

    Now we have this nonsense about McGuinness.

    It is well know that the presence of McGuinness and Adams at the helm of Sinn Fein, prevents many ordinary Cathoilcs from voting from the party (they are quite frankly an electoral liability).

    If both or either of them were taken out, the dissidents would be doing the cause of Sinn Fein, the party, a significant favour.

    It would seem, however, as I have alluded to above, that the need to settle personal grudges, may have once more overridden such practical considerations.

  • Chris

    It is always best to take anything out of the mouth of one of the co-heads of the Provisional Politburo with a grain of salt.
    Mr. McGuinness cares solely about power and control for the sake of power and control and its attendant privileges, and will go to any length to maintain his control.
    He has no interest in any peace process. It is simply a “control process” to secure power for himself, his friends and family, and his political party.
    Everything is framed in this context. Everything is self-serving for his personal interests and that of his party.
    He and his party will destroy anything that gets in their way whether that be a local community initiative between working class Protestants and Catholics, or the Irish language movement.
    You always publicly claim the opposite of what you do in the shadows. There is no such thing as principles nor honour.

  • RG Cuan

    Scaramoosh

    It is well know that the presence of McGuinness and Adams at the helm of Sinn Fein, prevents many ordinary Cathoilcs from voting from the party (they are quite frankly an electoral liability).

    Is that why Sinn Féin are the biggest nationalist party in the north then? I think you need a rethink.

    Of course all parties need a change from time to time but to suggest the mindless dissidents would be doing Sinn Féin a favour is a sick suggestion.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Yeah, RG, it’s the suggestion that’s ‘sick’. How I wish more people had your sense of proportion, and, natch, keen sense of moral outrage. Fancy anyone suggesting murdering a Republican. I wonder who’s more shocked by the idea of it, you, me or Mart?

  • George

    McGuinness is worth much, much more to the dissidents alive than dead. All this about a threat upon his life is a self-serving PR exercise.
    Are we all supposed to moan ‘poor wee Martin?’
    McGuinness is the symbol of someone who used deceit, deception, and false promises for his own self-aggrandisement.

  • Paul

    why does it smell like socks in here?

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Because posh Glaswegians are getting it on?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Publicity stunt, all concocted by the pan-republican front to transform the image of the shinners.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    The time has probably come for some sacrificial republican blood to be spilt yet again. It has been near 30 years since the last sacrifice was offered to the Republican Gods.

    At this tine things are moving too slowly for Republicanism and Padraig Pearse’s call of a blood-sacrifice may be needed for a new rejuvenated Republicanism.

    “One man can free a people as one Man redeemed the world.”

  • Rory Carr

    Well if it is indeed a publicity stunt as you claim, Ulsters my homeland, then it is one concocted by the PSNI, since they are the body who claim to have collected evidence of the threat to McGuinness’s life and to have issued him with the warning accordingly.

    What then do you suggest was the motivation of the police in making such a claim? And how do you support your serious assertion that it is false, merely a “publicity stunt”?

    Would you care to provide “further and better particulars” as m’learned friends might have it? I am sure that you would agree that the police might wish to reply to such a serious charge.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist (No.7) made a reference to thirty years.

    It is a reminder that just over 30 years ago, almost to the day, republican terrorists murdered the Conservative shadow Northern Ireland spokesman, Airey Neave (otherwise known as Lt. Col. Neave, war hero who let the escape from Colditz).

    Is Martin McGuiness in any greater threat of being assassinated than Owen Paterson?

    I think not. McGuiness is still a republican, like the dissidents. I totally agree with the commenters who believe that, as a target for killing, he would be very low on the list of dissident priorities.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Rory, it’s not difficult getting the police to break news of a threat.

    Think about the blood sacrifice issue for one moment. Who would benefit the most is one of their own was taken out? the dissidents or the shinners?

  • Dylan

    This story and McGuinness’ statement all smack of bluster and spin. Hypothetically if the so called dissidents were to assassinate McGuinness or one of his high ranking cohorts (god forbid) it would have no obvious knock on effects as far as I could see. The Provisionals could not retaliate as their hands are tied nowadays for obvious reasons, I could hardly see Unionists shedding too many tears and in the end S.F would probably only benefit electorally. My guess is that McGuinness, Adams et al would be taking security precautions anyhow so if anyone is going to be targeted it will probably be a low ranking S.F member.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “Hypothetically if the so called dissidents were to assassinate McGuinness or one of his high ranking cohorts (god forbid) it would have no obvious knock on effects as far as I could see.”

    I think there would be a big change in the hearts and minds of everyone planet wide. All top brasses from around the world will be there, including Israel + Palestine.

  • Dylan

    Re: Ulsters my homeland

    Eh?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    sorry dylan, I should have said at his funeral. Picture the scene, all top brasses from around the world paying homage to an elected representative. IRA/sinn fein history will be changed from that moment on

  • Sean

    If McGuinness and company spent less time swishing their snouts about in the public trough now that the slop is all over their faces and spent more time doing something positive for their communities job wise and education wise, there would be no need for this sort of discussion.
    When all you have to show are excuses there leaves little room to justify your high position and plenty of room for others to attack the your lack of results and accountability.
    If I rememver correctly, there is some sort of old adage which says that the last refuge of the scoundrel is when they wrap the flag around themselves. McGuinness is trying to do the same in his own crafty and cunning way.

  • Dylan

    Ulsters my homeland

    Hmmm.. the media would have a story for a few days and some politicians from around the world would do the obligatory and shed a few crocodile tears. I can almost hear the corny American newsreaders now.. ultimately though no one gives a fuck about this corner of the globe, we are an irrelevance (especially post 9/11 and in these current economic climes.)I think we may have to all wise up a little and realise that there will always be an appetite for armed struggle from some as long as there is a British presence here and that our myriad issues cannot be addressed(and will always resurface) if we sweep them under the carpet. The traditional attitude in N.I is to pretend its not happening, too many subjects are taboo and in an atmosphere like that history will repeat itself.

  • fin

    so we’re all agreed then, these threats against a elected representative are deplorable and should be condemned.

  • fin

    “sorry dylan, I should have said at his funeral. Picture the scene, all top brasses from around the world paying homage to an elected representative. IRA/sinn fein history will be changed from that moment on”

    Obviously without the DUP or UUP in attendance on account of they wouldn’t set foot inside a RC Chapel incase they lose votes or their OO membership

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]I think we may have to all wise up a little and realise that there will always be an appetite for armed struggle from some as long as there is a British presence here[/i]

    what are you suggesting Dylan? we ignore those who take part in an armed struggle and let them terrorise the community, because that’s just the way things are?

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Fin: “so we’re all agreed then, these threats against a elected representative are deplorable and should be condemned.” Absolutely – and if he is murdered, we’re also all agreed that his killer is a dreadful scunner altogether, and that it’ll be simply years and years before we say to the latter cove, ‘oh, all right then, let’s pretend that you’re in fact a politician, and not a sectarian killer grown fat off the back of your gangsterism’. And my how we’ll all laugh together! Well, except Martin, what with him being dead. But he’s a decent sort (now) and he’ll hardly himself begrudge being murdered, what with, you know, murdering all them wains himself. In fact, I can already see him in Provo Heaven sitting beside Pearso and all the other auld dears having a right good chortle at “da lads” for clipping him.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    And Jayzus but Fin, you’ve got them Hun hoors – ‘Obviously without the DUP or UUP in attendance on account of they wouldn’t set foot inside a RC Chapel incase they lose votes or their OO membership’ – down to a tee! If only, if only Unionists could even be half as unsectarian as you Ireland would be twice the country she is today!

  • J Kelly

    Just drove past Free Derry Corner about three oclock and seen Martin’s press conference its easy to see who is standing beside Martin on this one. The IRA, those who fought the British because they were their in numbers.

  • J Kelly

    sorry there,

  • J Kelly

    by the way any owrd from the meeting in Kilwilkie last night is Colin Duffy contesting the euro election or what.

  • joeCanuck

    so we’re all agreed then

    I would hope that the vast majority are, Fin.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    “Just drove past Free Derry Corner about three oclock and seen Martin’s press conference its easy to see who is standing beside Martin on this one. The IRA, those who fought the British because they were their in numbers.” I don’t know if anyone’s actually going to tag our beloved Deputy First Minister or not, but ‘Peepers’ Kelly there almost made me die laughing. Best one yet: keep ’em coming!

  • Rory Carr

    Some of the responses to this news from the unionist
    side are really bizarre and would have us believe that the greatest beneficiary of the assassination of the Deputy First Minister would be…. the Deputy First Minister himself!

    I can only conclude that they have a touching faith in the essential goodness of Martin McGuiness and his soul’s preparedness to join the heavenly host. Such generous christian ecumenism is only to be applauded I must say.

    On the earlier reference to the assassination of Airey Neave I must say that I believe that that singular killing by the murderous political dunderheads of the INLA was the one piece of madness that set Thatcher on a course of intractable opposition to dialogue and prolonged the war by two decades and I curse those narcissistic, ultra-leftist playboy thugs who devised and executed it. Having found that I had put my own life on the line for expressing these views openly at the time only made me more determined to oppose their madness so perhaps I may be forgiven if I feel a great deal of understanding for the position of threat that the DFM finds himself in today and find it more than a little annoying to tolerate the type of ridiculous conspiracy theory postulating by the mean-minded that has so far been evident on this thread.

    Do grow up and try and take an objective look at the threat posed, not just to the DFM but to the very institution of democracy for which the overwhelming majority of people in NI have voted and to the peace and stability which they deserve.

  • dunreavynomore

    R.G.Cuan
    ‘Is that why Sinn Féin are the biggest nationalist party in the north then? I think you need a rethink’

    Good point, S.F. are the biggest nationalist party now that they are no longer a republican party.
    McGuinness is losing the plot and misses the point that in his haste to try and rally the troops through playing the victim he is showing weakness. He said on radio Ulster that people were shouting at his wife in the street and that is a bad signal to send out, the signal of a wounded person becoming fair game for everyone.It’s a long way from top of the provo tree to being the butt of cat calling on the streets and the subject of threats from possible neighbours.

  • Cold Player

    Rory, when you say that you feel a great deal of understanding foe the position of threat that McGuinness finds himself in do you mean that you also commanded the PIRA in Derry and then went on to be one of that organisation’s top leaders until very recently? No. OK then. Sometimes people real what they sow. I genuinely hope no harm comes of McGuinness but he is a hypocrit of the highest order for the reasons I outlined earlier also.

  • Cold Player

    *reap

  • Jimmy

    What goes around comes around. The Provisionals used exactly the same tactics. Intimidation, killings and robberies and the like ignored. While SF were given special political dispensation to keep the political farce alive.
    They are the Historical Manifestations of Mulcahey and Gosgrove albeit 90 years later.
    By no means do I agree with the dissidents and their threats but I find them less nauseating than PSF.

  • Ray

    It is long past the time for Martin McGuinness to resign.

  • John 45

    LTU There is a word for it in Irish ‘Fullangha’

  • Sean O’Donnell

    I would very much like to hear John O’Connell’s views on this matter. His views would be definitive on this issue.

  • cynic

    do i smell an election in the air? rally the troops, build the barricades!

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

    Being repaid in your own coin seems most apposate to me . I am not moved in the very least; it could not happen to a more deserving personality. If you live by the sword you might well perish by it. I am drowning in my crocodile tears.

  • John O’Connell

    Sean O’Donnell

    I refer you to my recent letter to the Derry Journal on the dissidents.

  • fin

    John K, guess you and the dissidents are like minded regarding the 2 squaddies and the copper who where shot a few weeks ago.

  • John

    Why does Martin McGuinness not stand for election in his own Derry City?
    He has done nothing for mid-Ulster.
    He is anti-Irish gael schools.
    He is all bark and no bite.
    We do not want any more carpetbaggers and their hatred of all things Irish.

  • Sean O’Donnell

    I think the general consensus is that nobody would shed too many tears if this threat (God forbid) actually transpired. But what would the political rammifications be if it did? Again I turn for guidance and insightful, sage wisdom to you, Mr. O’Connell..

  • Donal

    One of Martin’s specialties has been acting as the “enforcer” of Sinn Fein policies.
    Martin has never had any qualms about sticking a knife into someone for operational or SF policy reasons.
    That includes different Irish schools here in Derry.
    Why is it that the second largest city in the North underwent a vicious purge campaign against the native language by the local Sinn Fein “leaders”?

  • John O’Connell

    Sean O’Donnell

    Perhaps Martin could ask Gerry to stop issuing threats against him, given that Gerry is in complete control of the Real IRA and Continuity IRA through ex-members of PIRA, and given that Martin seems to be out of the loop when it comes to understanding Gerry’s extra-curricular activities.

    As to killing Gerry. Well, given that he is the Antichrist, I think that he’ll have all angles covered except the one where he feels so humiliated that he eats some lead. Not much of a death for a soldier strategist.

  • TravellingMan

    McGuinness was always one for the press conference publicity stunt. I well remember in the early 90s when Republicans were agitating about the Apprentice Boys of Derry walking on the city walls, he led a posse of journalists on the walls up to the very steps outside the Apprentice Boys Hall [The Mem] and stopped to have his ‘news conference’ there. His aim was to agitate and inflame and hopefully get a reaction from the Apprentice Boys who were congregated outside awaiting the commencement of the Parent [ie local clubs] walking the walls.
    McG is still the same person, same aims, different methods. Were he a washing powder, the marketing folk would be claiming him as ‘new and improved’, when in reality he’s the same product inside the packet.

  • ACS

    That little press conference stunt at Free Derry Corner was stomach-churning. He could’ve easily kept this quiet, we all know that ‘dissidents’ aren’t exactly fond of McGuinness given his recent inflammatory descriptions of such groups. 5 March: Orde’s deliberately hyping up the threat. 24 April: Orde is right! All hail the PSNI!

    Most of the ‘supporters there’ looked liked members of his late mother’s knitting circle on their way back from afternoon tea at the community centre

  • joeCanuck

    Recent news posting claimed that N.I. was the most religious part of the UK.
    Strange that, given some of the blood lust displayed here.

  • John

    ACS,
    I noted some scowls on the faces of people at the at Free Derry PR stunt.
    Perhaps Martin will qualify for one of those Gurkha pensions and can relocate to Britain under the new quotas.

  • John O’Connell

    McG is still the same person, same aims, different methods. Were he a washing powder, the marketing folk would be claiming him as ‘new and improved’, when in reality he’s the same product inside the packet.

    I was putting up posters for the SDLP and John Hume in 1983 (I think) and we had a confrontation with Provos guarding a giant Sinn Fein poster on the high Rosville Street flats in the Bogside. They tried to kill me as I was at the top of a ladder below the flats by throwing things out of the windows. They just missed.

    Later that day one of the men with me was targeted and had his legs and arms broken deliberately and unapologetically as payment for our defiance as he returned to his home nearby.

    That is how McGuinness won the Bogside for Sinn Fein, and that is why there will be little sympathy for him in SDLP circles. What goes around comes around.

  • Rory Carr

    Ah! The plot thickens. Now John O’Connell implies that the thtreat to the DFM might possibly emanate from vengeful Stoops and he helpfully provides us above with details of the very incident that provides the motivation.

    Hold steady, John. Remember the Good Book: “Vengeance is mine saith the Lord”.

  • blinding

    There was a time when you were nobody in NI unless there was somebody/people out to kill you.

    I think its a bit of electioneering myself but that is not to say that the dogs in the street knew that if the dissidents get lucky or McGuinness gets careless the opportunity for a grand funeral would be provided.

  • Reader

    John K Lund: Being repaid in your own coin seems most apposate to me .
    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  • John O’Connell

    Rory Carr

    Remember the Good Book: “Vengeance is mine saith the Lord”.

    In a funny sort of way, that is exactly what I am saying.

  • Outlaw Josey Wales

    Remember when Bernadette Devlin was injured during a UFF shooting. The Paras hearing the shots rushed to her house and gave her and her husband first aid. One soldier even went to a neighbours house to phone for help as the UFF had ripped out the phonelines. Even after the Paras helped save her and her husbands life, she still maintained the Paras colluded with the UFF.

    If such a scenario was to happen to McGuinness would he praise the efforts of the security services for helping him?

  • Declan

    Makes me laugh that the poster above ‘sean’ thinks Gerry is quote ‘in complete control of the RIRA and CIRA’ lol.

    In fact alledgedly certain dissidents have been trying to make a name for themselves by plotting to kill marty,gerry and high profile hunger strikers and their relatives for the past few years.

  • Gerry

    Adams and mc guinness have betrayed us the people of Ireland. They are more intrested in how many hoilday homes they have and how much money they are making from this. Since the shambles of the GFA what has happened for the normal working people NOTHING but they are living the good life. And mc Guinness to stand there and call irish freedom fighters traitors they deserve what WILL come to them. They and a lot of other people in Shame Fein think the RIRA & the CIRA have no support they are mistaken young and old are becoming members every day you sold us out sinn fein so you will pay big time. Bobby Sands would turn in his grave to see what you have done.

    IRELAND UNFREE SHALL NEVER BE AT PEACE.

  • Paddy Cahill

    Pure posturing. McGuinness will only go down if British Intelligence want him to or if some lowlife gets very lucky. It ain’t gonna happen.