Duffy to run for Europe?

Politics.ie is reporting comment appearing elsewhere that Colin Duffy will be standing as an independent republican candidate in the European election.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Hi Mark,I dont know if he will be allowed to describe himself as such.I think that unless you are a political party registered with the electoral commission,you can only use the term “Independent” on your nomination papers.
    It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets.

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    Fuck does this really count for news?

  • Groundhog Day

    It will be the final nail in the coffin for the idea that republicanism has little support. Bobby Sands got 30,000 votes. Duffy will get more.

    Its happening all over again!! I wonder why??

  • skullion

    Groundhog

    Duffy will be lucky to get 3000 votes.

  • Groundhog Day

    republicans did much better than that in the last assembly election, and there has been a considerable move away from the provos since then. Tyrone provisional sinn fein has virtually disbanded, and there is good support for duffy in armagh and derry.

    I’d predict he’ll get at least 30,000, probably more.

    Not so micro now, eh?

  • Frustrated Democrat

    I suspect he won’t be knocking on many doors in this election.

  • skullion

    Groundhog

    Just remind us how well they did in the assembly elections

  • brendan,belfast

    Hope he does stand, then he can be electorally destroyed which will let the so called dissidents know where they stand.

  • Groundhog Day

    [i]Just remind us how well they did in the assembly elections[/i]

    more than 3,000 anyway! they got 1,700 in derry alone. And that was 2 years ago, where they only stood in a handful of constituecies. duffy has a higher profile than anyone who stood in the last elections and the platform he’s standing for is one which a lot of people can identify with, even if they don’t identify themselves with any particular “microgroup”.

    The individual groups may be micro at the minute, but the issues are as big as they come. The organisational structures will be built around issues like this and we’ll soon see a political force that’s capable of winning elections, nevermind aiming at a miserly 30,000 votes.

  • jone

    Let’s see if this rabble can scrape together the £5k deposit by 7th May deadline.

  • more than 3,000 anyway! they got 1,700 in derry alone. And that was 2 years ago, where they only stood in a handful of constituecies.

    Not that much more – about 8,000 votes in total.

    Also, they stood in exactly half the constituencies, sometimes with more than one candidate. The ones they missed were largely places without any sizeable Republican tradition – North Belfast was the exception. Apart from that they missed South and East Belfast, North Down, Strangford, Lagan Valley, and North, South and East Antrim. There certainly weren’t 1,000 dissident votes between those areas in the context of the 2007 election, and probably still aren’t.

    1700 votes in Derry alone, but that was about it for credible dissident votes. Beaten by the Stickies in West Belfast, for God’s sake!

  • conor

    What about the 2000 odd Daby Hyland recieved in newry armagh though Sammy?

  • Groundhog Day

    duffy’ll get all 8,000 of those votes, and a lot more.

    things are a lot different from they were in 2007. A lot of people have abandonned the provies in that time alone, and issues like the one duffy is standing on have a lot of public support even amongst those who are still provies. On top of that, you have those who had already had the sense to abandon the provies by 2007, but who hadn’t found a cause to come together around. Duffy is that cause. He’ll do a lot better than the 2007 figure.

  • Rory Carr

    “…we’ll soon see a political force that’s capable of winning elections…”

    Really?

    Let us just suppose for a moment, despite all available evidence to the contrary, that this prognosis proves itself, what then? Will these successful dissidents take their seats and thus confound their principles or will they, having sought to represent their constituents, then betray them for the sake of their ridiculous posturing? Or will they split into tinier and tinier factions with all the consequent internicene murderousness so imbued in the psyche of groups like the INLA?

    At least if they confine their activities to the political sphere they will remain at best little more than a public nuisance but of course the danger is that when the public reject them, as we all know they will, they will grow resentful and take to the gun and the bomb in order to “raise the people’s conciousness” thus becoming a public danger as all morals and scruples disappear in the smug certainty of their righteousness.

    There can be no greater threat to the advancement of the Irish people through peace to agreed unity than these ultra-leftist adventurers and I am confident of their political rejection by the people they claim to represent.

  • circles

    Any chance these yahoos will have worked out some kind of political way forward by then? I mean other than “well 1985 wasn’t sooo bad was it?”

    Yesterdays men stuck in a rut with no idea how to get out of it. Their lack of imagination would be pitiful if it didn’t have such depressing results for everybody else.

    As much as I have little time for the shinners, I’d vote for them just to make a point against these fellas – and I suspect that goes for many who have moved away from the shinners in recent years Groundhog.

  • PaddyReilly

    There goes Nationalism’s chance of winning a second seat. It suppose it’s only fair though:- three against three.

  • Groundhog Day

    [i]I am confident of their political rejection by the people they claim to represent. [/i]

    then you have nothing to worry about! But i bet you were saying the same thing in 1998, thinking that 11 years later you would not have to be making the same arguments and worrying about how an interned political prisoner would fare in elections.

    Its the GFA and those who defend it who are stuck in the past. Partition and the veto roots the GFA squarely to 1922 and the Act of Union before it. Republicanism desires an alternative and with these elections and what follows them, is looking forward to one.

    Duffy doesn’t claim to represent anyone, but he soon will.

  • Groundhog Day

    circles

    I agree that the republican alternative to date has been a fractured body that has been unable to catch the imagination of those disenfranchised. Duffy will suffer for it no doubt, but not as much as many think. Internment, police raids and martin mcguinness daring to call patriots traitors, have all caught the imagination for him.

    He would certainly benefit from attaching something positive to his platform. His 28 day detention campaign is essentially a negative one, but it could be married with a call for greater democracy, for a free vote on national sovereignty for example. Who then would stand against him and still call themselves a republican.

  • Jo

    Perhaps he could supplement his stand with a hunger strike? With the traditional climax on election day itself?

  • fin

    We are told (on Slugger and elsewhere) that SF have been a failure in power, defeated by the DUP at everyturn. Failed on the Irish Language Act, Maze Stadium, Policing & Justice etc. Meanwhile the DUP’s and others boast about vetos’ and strenghtening the Union, not to mention Ian Og’s list of victories for Unionists, Ulster Scots, OO etc.

    The European elections don’t change all that much and regardless a nationalist vote is a nationalist vote if it goes to SF, the SDLP or Duffy or whoever.

    Would a good turnout for Duffy really be a bad thing for nationalism, the shootings resulted in a rather sudden jump forward for the devolution of P&J it was mentioned positively by Hain and others in interviews at the time and Robbo suddenly saw confidence within Unionism for it (although now Reggie doesn’t).

    A good turnout for Duffy will only, at worst, account for SF not taking an extra seat. Where will it leave the DUP, bragging rights that they’ve so hampered nationalist ideals at Stormont that hardline republicanism is growing in strenght?

    I think its actually a good thing and its possible that a lot of people might use it as an opportunity to send a message to SF that they’re behving a bit too much like the SDLP. That message will be heard by unionism, london and Dublin.

  • PaddyReilly

    A good turnout for Duffy will only, at worst, account for SF not taking an extra seat

    SF was never going to take an extra seat for the very good reason that it has only one candidate. But the SDLP might have.

  • John O’Connell

    zzzz

  • john watcher

    still eating the schezuans out of raymonds and then walking the walk at sainsburys john…is that why youre zzzz’ing

  • Frustrated Democrat

    PR

    In yours dreams SDLP never had a chance, and this won’t make any difference.

  • The Original Sam Maguire

    “What about the 2000 odd Daby Hyland recieved in newry armagh though Sammy? ”

    While I’m sure there was an element of a dissident vote in the 2188, I’d be very confident that 1500 at the very minimum was a personal vote for Davy.

  • John O’Connell

    John watcher

    Naw, just not interested in republicans trying to make themselves think they matter in the great scheme of things. But thanks for asking.

    Now go watch someone else.

  • circles

    My problem with Duffy or anyone else associated with the random shooting of a policeman, brit or pizza delivery guy running for election is that for me they have automatically disqualified themselves from receiving my vote as a republican.
    The only alternative they have had balls enough to offer is sneaking up to shoot people in the dark – hardly the height of well thought ot repbuplican strategy now is it GHDay? The saddest thing is if they had had brains enough to offer more i suspect they would have spoken up by now. So basically it’s a vote for “well we don’t have answers, but if we make enough trouble things’ll get bad enough for us to negotiate ourselve back to the position SF have gotten us into today”. They do not represent an alternative as they ofer no alternative GHDay – or can you articulate what, politically, would be the programme?

  • I make it 7747 votes in 2007 including O’Hara and Hyland. And I agree with Sam Maguire’s post about Hyland’s vote, I went through Hyland’s transfers in detail at the time – 30% transferred to the SDLP, and about 2% even went straight through to various Unionist candidates, which hardly bespeaks deep dissidentism among his voters.

    While more people might be thinking about defecting from the Shinners this time, turnout will be crap in this election (almost certainly an all-time numerical low); the dissoes have no real GOTV capacity and will struggle to get a numerically credible vote unless there is a big swing in sentiment on the ground that other evidence (e.g. the paltry attendance at their Easter parades) isn’t showing.

    Similarly with the 2 Nationalist seats fantasy – it wasn’t going to happen unless there was massive differential turnout of a type there is no evidence of happening. But let’s hope that despite all this as many sane people as possible come out to vote to minimise the share of the vote for Duffy, and indeed for Allister.

  • Chaps, after I was crucified again last week two aliens stuck a Gerry Adams-shaped dildo up my hole. It wasn’t pretty, let me
    tell you 🙁

    Thou Sinn Féin vermin had better be fearful for I, son of God,
    the Lamb of Revelation and Utterly Butterly Goodness, shall make thee reap what thy have sown.

    Long live good, Mark Durkan and the all-you-can-eat-for-£7 lunchtime buffet at the Mandarin Palace.

    John

    DCFC til I die – See you at the Randy Brandywell
    Votáil SDLP

  • Groundhog Day

    circles

    at the root of any of the republican groups is a pretty simple programme. A call for a vote on a 32 county basis on whether partition should be ended.

    The democrats would surely be happy with that, and would have no problem implementing the will of the people. Eh?

    Would you vote against that, just because you have some moral bee in your bonnet about how others have chosen to fight for democracy? Or would you continue to vote to continue a unionist veto, which will inevitably result in people taking up arms against it.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Sammy Morse

    re. Nats getting 2nd seat – if the difference last time out was 35,000ish between the two community blocks – then what narrowing would you expect in the difference based solely on demographics – all other variables assumed to be fixed – this time out – a 5,000 increase in Nat vote giving 30,000 overall difference?

  • jone

    Oh noes! Here we go again.

    I can recall all the hyperventilating from the dissoes on here before the last election about how the people had finally seen through the shinners…blah, blah, blah…and then on election day….I think even the RNU have acknowledged it was a farce

  • picador

    I would welcome the candidacy of Colin Duffy or any other anti-GFA republican.

    I would also encourage the Workers’ Party to put up a candidate as they could again be in with a chance of out-polling someone.

  • Henry Wilson

    The truth is some people loved the status that shooting policeman in the back got them in the 1980s. Unfortunately for them, but fortunately for civilization, those days are in the past.

    This clown should be locked up for good.

  • Groundhog Day

    duffy isn’t even accused of shooting a policeman, and he certainly isn’t accused of shooting anyone in the back!

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Picador,

    I agree, hopefully they will stand – but quite how the dissers can justify to themselves taking part in a partitionist election (will this be their get-out-of-a-very-embarassing-result-card if they decide not to stand?) is beyond me – given that the election will be under the very heel of Engleze-imperialists – surely they will not give succour to the illegal statelet of Norn Iron? But if they do then, as sure as Padraig Pearse was really a vampire, there will almost certainly have to be split and perhaps and even smaller (would it be possible?) grouping will be have to take up he torch of Republican purity until it in turn…

  • Groundhog Day

    sammy

    its no more of a partitionist election than the assembly elections, or westminster or leinster house elections, or indeed the euro elections that sinn fein stood in before adams abandonned abstentionism.

    this is an election, as far as duffy is concerned, in one constituency, a gerrymandered constituency at that. it is not an election on national sovereignty which is what republicans are after.

    are republicans prepared to take part in such elections to further their cause, yes. Now, abstentionism is another matter altogether.

    they already have their get out of jail free card (no, not literally) in that until the democratic wishes of the people of ireland are respected, then nobody can criticise republicans as being undemocratic.

  • conor

    picador, what is your solution?

  • Comrade Stalin

    they already have their get out of jail free card (no, not literally) in that until the democratic wishes of the people of ireland are respected

    Now you’re just trolling. The democratic wishes of the people of ireland are dead set against a war prosecuted by handbag snatchers and cop killers. And anyway, the RIRA made it quite clear in their Easter statement that they did not care about the absence of democratic support, citing the 1916 rebels.

    I would not dispute that there are many people who are disillusioned with Sinn Fein. But these are all people who voted for SF’s present strategy consistently; they voted for Sinn Fein in record numbers immediately after SF had decided to endorse the PSNI, after the IRA had completely disarmed and after it had stood down all of it’s units and issued orders not to engage in any “military operations”.

    I therefore find it very difficult to believe that any significant numbers of these SF voters have now decided that the whole thing is a waste of time and that it’s time to return to war. If anything, they’ll be disappointed at the lack of progress on SF’s key objectives and they’ll either stay at home or spoil their ballots.

  • circles

    “at the root of any of the republican groups (sic) is a pretty simple programme. A call for a vote on a 32 county basis on whether partition should be ended.”
    GHDay – I would agree with this in principal, but to what end? To then turn round and say to 6 county unionists – “OK boys now its our turn! Of into a united Ireland with ye and none of yer nonsense -and marches will now be limited to commemorate 1916 and the hunger strikes”.
    This is exactly my problem – Duffy and most of the dissidents get about this far in their reflections and no further. Joined-up thinking has yet to permeate dissident “republicanism” – perhaps due to the intoxicating effects of cordite, who knows?
    I also think that the gaping hole in your argumentation is still there – you seem to believe that for all republicans its a case of either agreeing completely with SF or voting dissident, which in my opinion underestimates a bit the sophistication of the republican vote.
    Instead of just moaning about the shinners muffling any dissenting opinion how about actually voicing it with words and not weapons?

  • Mark McGregor

    As a republican, I’d find it very hard not to consider voting for any candidate challenging 28 day detention by the British state and ongoing judicial practices used by the PSNI/RUC/etc that essentially amount to internment by remand.

    I’m sure some SF supporters would also lend their vote to that kind of campaign (just as they historically asked others to do).

    Duffy isn’t going to be elected, it’s up to republicans and others what message they want to send to the British state before the sectarian bun fight kicks in.

  • Le Corbusier

    Would you vote against that, just because you have some moral bee in your bonnet about how others have chosen to fight for democracy?

    What a load of HogWash – spreading freedom at the barrel of a gun! Dubya must be Mr McDuff’s role model.

  • Le Corbusier

    As a republican, I’d find it very hard not to consider voting for any candidate challenging 28 day detention by the British state and ongoing judicial practices used by the PSNI/RUC/etc that essentially amount to internment by remand.

    Mark,

    And there are no other parties against these?

  • jone
  • Mark McGregor

    Le Corbusier,

    Indeed, I think the SDLP, UUP and SF were all against 28 day detention.

    Maybe they’ll all suggest loaning a vote to a victim of it? Sure they can get it back via a transfer.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mark,

    Voting against the PSNI, the British state, and the current state of the political process, is one thing. Voting in a way that may be seen to endorse a war, and as such provoke a sectarian bun fight, is another.

  • circles

    sorry about my (sic) earlier people

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mark,

    I have a few more thoughts on this but before we go any further, are you planning to support Duffy’s candidacy ?

  • Le Corbusier

    Indeed, I think the SDLP, UUP and SF were all against 28 day detention.

    Maybe they’ll all suggest loaning a vote to a victim of it? Sure they can get it back via a transfer.

    Mark,

    And what good would that do? How would McDuff be able to change anything, even if he made it to the Euro Parliament?

    As far as I can tell, and bearing in mind you are coming from a Republican perspective, only the SDLP in the group above would cut the mustard considering they actually voted on the key issue you referred to.

  • John O’Connell

    Groundhog Day

    until the democratic wishes of the people of ireland are respected

    Fine sentiments were it not the case that the unionists also have a legitimate claim to such logic. It gets us nowhere in reality.

    But my point would be that Sinn Fein fought a war under such logic for 30 years and they can’t really be taken seriously when they claim that now it is all about persuasion without first apologising for the mistaken principle that led them to war.

    Looking at Sinn Fein as a party without sincere regret for their past I can see where the unionists’ fears of genocide are coming from. Sinn Fein are in effect justifying their war against the unionists every time they recall the glory of their tactical use of human suffering.

    Post 4 is not mine by the way.

  • Mark McGregor

    CS,

    Dependent on the campaign/agenda, I’m pretty likely to be supporting Colin’s candidacy if it occurs.

  • Driftwood

    Maybe he could run on a joint candidacy with his mate (and fellow ideologue) Abu Hamza al-Masri.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mark,

    Isn’t that an endorsement of the RIRA’s declared strategy, a strategy that Duffy has made no effort to distance himself from ?

  • Mark McGregor

    CS,

    I’m absolutely opposed to the RIRA’s strategy. My Easter post was on the morality (lack of it) of armed struggle.

    That has nothing to do with Duffy unless you’ve, like the PSNI/RUC, decided to reject any form of justice and go for conviction in the court of media, imho.

  • PaddyReilly

    On a point of law, my honour, I seem to recall that after Bobby Sands’ successful candidacy the Tories altered the law to exclude jailed candidates. Does Duffy come under these rules, or is he technically on remand?

    In 2004 there were, after the counting of all transfers except for SF’s surplus, two Unionist quotas (i.e. 50%) plus 9,738 votes.

    This time round there will be less than two Unionist quotas, even after transfers, of that we can be fairly certain. So a second Unionist seat can only be won without achieving a quota, and will require near perfect transferring with no slip-ups.

    At the end of the 2004 redistributions the SDLP was left holding 79% of a quota, potentially 85% if the SF surplus had been distributed.

    So the final outcome is still going to be very tight and by no means a done deal. Turnout is also very important: if Nationalists had had the same turnout in 2004 that they did in 1999 they would have won hands down.

    Personally, I think Duffy would get around 8,000 votes and Jimbo 35,000, so that still leaves the Unionist side more disadvantaged by multiple candidacy than the Nationalist.

    Something we have to remember is that we are none of us getting any younger and that June’s electorate will be substantially different from that of 2004. From the point of view of today’s working-class Nationalist 17 year old, due to turn 18 next month, Gerry Adams may appear to be as much a figure of anti-Irish reaction as Margaret Thatcher.

    I sometimes wonder if the reversal of the position of SF and SDLP was not more due to new voters coming onto the register and elderly ones exiting than any imagined “floating voter”.

  • blinding

    A vote for Mr Duffy will be a vote for the good/bad old days.

    That depends on how you like to while away your days.

    I would like to vote for those with more imaginative solutions.

  • Groundhog Day

    he’s not “technically” on remand, he’s on the real kind of remand. he might not even be convicted!!

    my usual political posturing aside, you can’t discount duffy as equating to the rira. 28 day internment, or even a wider republican platform does not equate with violence. regardless of who has what democratic legitimacy, there must surely be room for a truly republican way forward, which both leads us not back into a war, and also shuns taking part in the british state. If Duffy can harness this ground, he’ll go places.

    republicans who do not condemn violence are not necessarily supporting violence, they are just wary of falling into the moralist trap of condemnation, which almost always forgets to condemn the state and its cronies. and even if individual republicans do advocate violence to support their ends, that surely doesn’t negate any political endeavours they attempt at the same time.

    there will always be republicans who can justify war to themselves, but the real test is in what republicans can offer through campaigns such as this one. to all those who write duffy off as a mindless advocate for violence, take time to look what he’s said on the issue. if you deny duffy and others who seek to advance a political way forward, then what do you expect to take their place.

    there is most definitely a realisation within republicanism that the provisional strategy has led to defeat and that psf cannot deliver what they claimed they could through the gfa. what will take their place is still uncertain. but what is certain is that debate amongst republicanism is alive and well, and that amongst the groundswell that is ongoing will come an alternative, whether that be in the form of duffy, or the next unfortunate soul.

  • New Yorker

    At the end of the day it looks like Northern Ireland will again send three provincial buffoons for reasons that have nothing to do with Europe and the people will be represented by three idgits who know only of provincial matters – whether we kill the Brits, are converted to peaceful means to get rid of the Brits or prefer being joined to the Brits. People in Brussels will rightly think Northern Ireland is a basket case represented by those who are incapable of appreciating the very concept of Europe and thus have no chance of winning any largess from Europe.

    Except for Alliance and the SDLP the other parties are ignorant clods in Brussels, so go vote for them and bemoan it does us no good to belong to Europe – we’re too concerned about provincial issues such as whether we report to London or Dublin. Still think Northern Ireland is ready for the real world?

  • Groundhog Day

    last time i looked neither the alliance nor the sdlp had much use for an office in brussels

    yeah, we’re too concerned with questions of national sovereignty to realise that its all gone to brussels. its not the brits we should be fighting, its the belgians!!

  • dunreavynomore

    Groundhog ..”there must surely be room for a truly republican way forward, which both leads us not back into a war, and also shuns taking part in the british state. If Duffy can harness this ground, he’ll go places”

    Sounds good but what does it mean? Does Duffy have a plan to unite all those Republicans who do not support S.f? If so it’s funny we haven’t heard about it before now. I just hope he isn’t allowing himself to be used. The ‘outcry’ against his arrest is very muted and the sound of his ‘harnessing’ anything is silence. Let’s see the groundswell in his favour before he puts his name behind this ploy.Yes, there is sympathy for him and his family and a belief that he is being shafted but will that transfer to a respectable vote? I doubt it.

    An alternative will not come from ‘an unfortunate soul’of whom there are plenty in Maghaberry, it must come from deep thinkers and planners who seem scarce on the ground and some people calling themselves ‘republican network for unity’ or whatever does not amount to unity.
    Maybe I am being negative but I just do need see an election, particularly an E.U. election being the catalyst for unity amongst disenchanted republicans.

  • Groundhog Day

    Duffy and any campaign that arises is simply the early signs of the republican movement trying to express itself in a non violent way while at the same time rejecting psf.

    duffy may not be the deep thinker or planner required (i don’t know the man at all, maybe he is!), but his cause is certainly one that inspires some level of unity. there are other issues that probably inspire greater unity, i had suggested earlier a call for a free vote on national sovereignity as an example, but i’m sure there’s a lot more out there if any of those deep thinkers or planners would care to drop us a line.

    greater catalysts will come, but for now duffy and 28 day internment is what we have. you gotta start somewhere. personally i think the comotion that duffy’s arrest has caused has been a pretty decent catalyst, it certainly has people thinking, which can be no bad thing.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Groundhog Day

    the crypto-disser arguement that you advance -that SF are no good and their policy of support for the GFA is no good – BUT – we cant think of anything better – and in the meantime we will complain from the sidelines – is shockingly self-indulgent jibber-jabber.

    Add in the hpyocricy of complaining about SF hollowing out the British state from the inside whilst trhe crypo-dissers are themselves proposing to take part in Engleze elections and then stare daily into the Republican mirror and ask who is the greenest of them all whilst doing precisely feck all else.

    I suspect that Colin will not stand – because surely someone that he trusts and doesent just repeat the tired old crypto-disser mantra above will be brave enough to tell him that however bad the dreadful englezes treated him (after all any good Rebel would enjoy the telling of that) – but it will be nothing by comparison to the embarassment of being toatally humiliated by the Irish people at the polls.

    The boy Col may be misguied but I dont think he is stupid.

    Prediction: Col not to stand

  • Groundhog Day

    sammy

    i can think of plenty of things better than the GFA. the cryto-dissers as you describe us have put forward alternatives, eire nua for one, does a statement of intent of british withdrawal from ireland sound familiar, perhaps you’ve forgotten that this alternative was not so long ago being advocated by some who are now gfa-ites.

    Just because republicans advocate alternatives that do not involve partition or a unionist veto, means they are dismissed out of hand by cryto-gerrymanderers.

    just because you don’t like the alternative, doesn’t mean its not out there.

    there’s no hypocrisy in criticising psf’s abandonment of abstentionism and at the same time taking part in an election on an abstentionist ticket. that sounds pretty consistent to me. or would advocate that those who don’t agree with the british occupation should use only violent means to end it?

    http://www.rsf.ie/eirenua.htm

  • Scaramoosh

    Try and keep up with the news;

    April 20 (Bloomberg) — The man charged with killing two British soldiers in Northern Ireland last month will be a candidate in June’s European Parliament elections.

    Colin Duffy, 41, will run as an independent candidate in the June 4-7 voting, according to the Republican Network for Unity, an umbrella group for republicans opposed to Northern Ireland’s peace process. “Colin will stand at the poll, that is for certain,” Kevin McQuillan, a spokesman for the Republican Network for Unity, said in a telephone interview today. “A meeting this Thursday night will confirm the details of it.” (Bloomberg)

  • picador

    CS,

    Isn’t that an endorsement of the RIRA’s declared strategy, a strategy that Duffy has made no effort to distance himself from ?

    When questioned on UTV following rioting – including a gun attack on police – in Craigavon Duffy gave his backing to the attacks on police. He is a militarist pure and simple.

    The people saying otherwise are being dishonest – as usual. A vote for Duffy is a vote for ‘armed struggle’.

    As you have already pointed out Sinn Féin, SDLP, etc. were oposed to 28 day detention. In fact both Gerry Adams and Alex Maskey came out and demanded the release of the Massereene and Craigavon shooting suspects after they’d been in custody for a week.

    Conor,

    What’s my solution?

    The one voted that I, along with the vast majority of Irish people, voted for in 1998.

  • John O’Connell

    Colin Duffy will, of course, stand for election if he can be persuaded by the pro-Sinn Fein ex-PIRA members who control the Real IRA to do so.

    Their strategy would be to help Sinn Fein in their desire to look like peacemakers – a la SDLP – and having a dissident republican opponent pushes Sinn Fein more into the middle and pushes the SDLP out of contention.

    Did somebody mention political morality?

  • latcheeco

    It was Sammy
    “hollowing out the British state” Ten years in, what real evidence is there of any hollowing of British rule (and please don’t muddy the water by extolling the results of demilitarization, taigs were after all in the RUC before ’69). Where, for example, are the effective cross-border bodies that were promised? Where are the manners on the PSNI? Please point them out because many of your nationalist detractors (except maybe Squinter now, since he was warned off) are still open to persuasion.

    To immediately shout down anybody who questions SF strategy as, by default, crazy physical force republicans tied to the past with no alternatives but war, or “crypto-dissers”, is merely avoiding the issue. It’s reminiscent of the old “men of violence” trite crap that unionists loved to use against you when they were avoiding the issue (which is precisely the best practical reason for republicans to avoid violence because it allows their opponents to change the narrative and lets them off the hook).. What’s your alternative to using unionist tactics like felon-setting against former comrades? Any open political party espousing democracy which freely elects its leadership should welcome dissent.

    The truth is SF went into negotiations with a fanfare and cavalcade and through all the bright lights and CNN cameras got themselves pressurised, flattered, sidelined, and shafted into negotiating nonsense about the Women’s Coalition and irrelevant crap about gear dumped in bogs.

    They went in SF and came out the Home Rule Party and after displaying this monumental ineptitude they accuse eveybody else of not having any ideas. The least they should have got given thirty counties have a nationalist majority was a mid-century withdrawal date or a date for a real all-Ireland referendum. Which no doubt will be on the table next time when the curtain does fall on “the only show in town.” Surely thats the least that would have made it all worth it.

    As regards the election it would be silly to run in an election where the market is already cornered by the sectarian headcount. Reservations about SF will be overcome by calls to get more votes than themmuns by the same people who claim to be moving the North beyond sectarianism and stretching out a hand, proving again that all the GFA set up was was the political equivalent of the SPL.

  • Dewi

    Forgive me – but ain’t got much time:

    Very sorry to digress Sammy but:

    i) A fiver on more Welsh players than Irish in thr Lions squad tomorrow and:
    ii) A fiver on more Welsh players than Irish in first test starting line -up?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Scaramoosh

    do you want the lottery numbers?

    Groundhog Day,

    Are you not even the smallest bit embarassed trotting out the same old tired mantra that nobody wants after everything people have endured?

    You cant seriously believe that the other 98% of people, including those who have fought for Republicanism for 30 years are ALL wrong.

    The reason so few people are interested in the crypto-dissers and their poor quality father Christams wish list stuff is exactly the same reason as so few listen to the guy with the sanwich board telling us that earth is about to come to an end – because his message has zero credibility.

    Poor Col is going to be sent out with his electoral sandwich board to be humilitated – for Jaysus sake tell him to throw a sickie.

  • picador

    I heard he is standing on a ‘Brits In’ ticket.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Dewi,

    the future of Ireland is at stake here with the crypto-dissers on the brink of getting the British to leave the country by the simple tactic of publically embarassing themselves and all you can do is talk about one of those dreadful garrison sports – shame on you.

  • picador

    I heard he is standing on a ‘Brits In’ ticket.

    Correction: he is standing on an anti-DNA platform.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Dewi,

    Only kidding – I’m in on both counts. So we now have 3 bets going with the HC as well.

    Odds Fresh from PaddyPower.com

    POC punching Wazza in the chops
    10/1

    One of those dreadful Engleze/Welsh princes playing outside half because Johnny cant make it.
    20/1

    Princess ugly bug from the SRU galloping on to the pitch during the first Test on her Royal steed to complain that none of her subjects from Scotland are in the team.
    25/1

    …meanwhile the Crypto-Republican-dissers plot to remove the Englezes which although it devilishly clever has one fatal flaw overlooked by its adherents – they dont know what it is…

  • Dewi

    Sammy -I know – but it’s the difference between important and urgent – deal?

  • On a point of law, my honour, I seem to recall that after Bobby Sands’ successful candidacy the Tories altered the law to exclude jailed candidates. Does Duffy come under these rules, or is he technically on remand?

    He’s on remand and I’m not sure (one way or the other) whether those provisions apply to elections to the European Parliament – the initial legislation applied only to Westminster if I recall correctly, although much may have changed in the past 28 years. It’s not often a problem one comes across with potential Alliance candidates.

    Turnout is also very important: if Nationalists had had the same turnout in 2004 that they did in 1999 they would have won hands down.

    Of course, but anyone who has spent any time actually talking to the electorate would realise turnout is likely to be down again this year, among Nationalists, Unionists and everyone else. The SDLP don’t have much of a GOTV machine outside a few strongholds and it will be hard to motivate SF workers to come out in an election that is a foregone conclusion for them and hard to convince SF centrally to divert resources from a very difficult and strategically vital defence of their Dublin Euroseat when Babs will almost certainly be elected on the first count.

    Personally, I think Duffy would get around 8,000 votes and Jimbo 35,000, so that still leaves the Unionist side more disadvantaged by multiple candidacy than the Nationalist.

    The effects are minimal, because it’s a Single Transferrable Vote election, and with only one candidate per party, plumping is much reduced.

    From the point of view of today’s working-class Nationalist 17 year old, due to turn 18 next month, Gerry Adams may appear to be as much a figure of anti-Irish reaction as Margaret Thatcher.

    I don’t buy that bullshit, not least because there isn’t much evidence that 17 year old working-class Nationalists are signing up to dissidentism in any great numbers. A couple of boozers on Derry’s Walls interviewed on Spotlight on a nice sunny day does not a political movement make.

    Mark McG – Alliance, the SDLP and SF are all opposed to 28 day detention. A vote for which candidate is most likely to hasten the day when we in Northern Ireland can block the extension to NI of authoritarian ‘anti-terror’ laws passed in Westminster? It ain’t Colin Duffy. There is a grave danger that a vote for Duffy will be seen as a vote for war. While he should rightly be considered innocent unless and until proven guilty, his own statements on Conto/RIRA violence barely fall short of open support. He hardly seems a credible standard bearer of non-violent Republican opposition to the GFA institutions.

    Latchecco – you seem to fall in to the traditional Republican trap of failing to see Unionism as a political force in its own right, capable of making decisions independtly of and opposed to the British government and capable of both political and military action in the event of a British withdrawl. OK, the Brits agree they’ll pull out by 2030, say… what do you think Unionism does then? Do you reall think some of them will go ‘home’, and the others will realise that they were really Protestant Irishmen suffering from post-colonial false consciousness all along and skip off across the meadows hand in hand with their Republican newly-found brethren?

    I’m obviously neither a Republican nor a fan of the SF leadership, but at least they seem to have twigged that Irish Republicanism needs to reach a modus vivendi with Ulster Unionism, or there won’t ever be a United Ireland. Agreement-sceptic Republicans seem to be stuck parroting lines from a 1960s undergraduate Marxist sociology textbook. If the Adams/McGuinness strategy is wrong, what is the right one? It certainly isn’t “The Ra’ cut a deal with the Brits, and the other 75% of NI’s population, not to mention the entire population of the Free State, can lump it or fuck off back to England”.

  • Dewi

    Are any European issues important to you there? Here I think Plaid (because we have had the same candidate – MEP- for a while) have actually got some people voting on European stuff…

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Dewi,

    The proper European stuff is probably covered by the Lisbon re-run other than that its just a measure of support for the parties whether in Norn Iorn or mainland.

    So our bets are on?

    Announcemenys tomorrow Sky Sports 1.30.

  • latcheeco

    Sammy,
    It would be interesting to know at what point it was decided republican goals were items on a Christmas list. Was this before SF landed the Stormont gig or after? Are you saying SF have now relegated a united Ireland to the status of a child’s Christmas wish. Unionists will be even more pleased. They were happy enough at your treatment of your former comrades but surely this is the icing on their Christmas cake.

    I’d imagine what nationalists would be really interested in would be their representatives clearly showing that they are moving towards their aspirations instead of giving a good impression of pathetic incompetents compared to their opponents.

  • John O’Connell

    Sammy

    Have you not noticed that you don’t need to register anymore – so your name can be stated fully in its former glory.

  • New Yorker

    Hey Groundhog

    Republicanism is dead. No one wants a rerun of the last 35 years. Republicans have disgraced themselves and all Irish people worldwide. Your posts give evidence of the stupidity of the Irish people. Take republicanism and take it to a dark place with you and stop embarsing Irish nationalists.

    This is an election to the European Parliment. It is a good thing to have friends in Europe. Just ask the people down South now that they need financial assistance. This should not be an adolescent election about ‘I’m more republican than you are” or “I’m more unionist than you are”. Things like the future of CAP are involved, common defence policy, economic cooperation. I don’t see how Duffy, SF, DUP or UUP have a clue of what is involved. But when Darling’s budget comes down on Wednesday, it looks like he will say we are broke and cannot afford to spend our money on a broken place that rattles on about pie-in-the-sky – benefits of every type will take a big bit. And we have buffons in Brussels when friends of Europeans would make a difference. Keep on spouting until they cut off your burger and chips allowance. Then what will you do, ask Duffy for a loan of a tenner or two?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    latcheeco,

    “It would be interesting to know at what point it was decided republican goals were items on a Christmas list.”

    The point at which, whoever is expounding those goals has admitted they have no strategy for their achievment – that would be the crypto-dissers – who actually admit this.

  • Dewi

    Madame Ecosse scots know how to embrace Europe

  • Friends, by the way I had a splendid time in Gransha recently. Not that any of you seemed to have the courtesy to enquire.

    ”Be gentle for I truly am the Lamb of Goodness” – John O’Connell

    DCFC til I die – Fuck Finn Harps

    P.S. My next book launch, entitled [i]John O’Connell – Truly the Messiah, Now Come All ‘Ye Faithful To The Land Of Promise: Derry[/i], will occur at Easons, Foyleside Shopping Centre on Wednesday 22 April at 11am sharp. Be there! To be followed by a march from the Foyleside to Brunswick Bowling Alley, Pennyburn Industrial Estate for a few games of bowling – on me, of course 🙂

  • latcheeco

    Sammy,
    Cheers for the reply. Maybe I am naive but I’ve never bought into the civil war argument.It’s too similar to Greeflag’s repartition. To what end? The independent principality of South Antrim and North Down? I think the Brits (London) giving a mid-century withdrawal date, based on demographic trends, that is far enough away so that it doesn’t immediately scare everybody and so that the future Ireland can be slowly worked/negotiated towards with compensation etc. is infinitely better and more practical than 50+1 (which could be in ten or twenty years and which nobody is prepared for and is more likely to cause panic and look like one side beat the other). Blame my inarticulation but I am not simply a Brits Out type of person and certainly don’t want any Irishmen to leave his country. But unionists should accept that the vast majority of the people of Ireland want it to be ruled only by Irishmen and that definition includes themselves.

  • John O’Connell

    “It would be interesting to know at what point it was decided republican goals were items on a Christmas list.”

    By taking the strategy of using the dissidents to push themselves towards the SDLP image and position, Gerry Adams is accepting that only the SDLP can achieve Irish unity and that his baggage of genocidal violence against the unionists cannot really be overcome while the SDLP provide an alternative narrative to the Northern problem.

    Of course, Gerry Adams is delusional in his belief that Sinn Fein can ever be regarded as the same as the SDLP, so why did he order Massereene other than to protect himself from a panic attack as I have mentioned before.

    Of course Gerry Adams is just doing what the British have been doing with the loyalists by attempting to infiltrate and control the dissidents with loyal ex-PIRA men.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    John,

    is there any truth in the rumour that you will be walking Lough Neagh on the Feast of Immaculate?

    Dewi,

    whats happened to JockStraps rugby team – shall we have a bet on any in the starting line up?

    I will go for one?

  • Mick: Post 10 is not mine, please delete post haste.

  • Sammy,

    Over Easter I fed over 5,000 people at a carnival held at Gransha from just 2 Curly Wurly’s and 5 Nan breads. Now what do you think? Heretics, repent repent for I am the Lamb of Godness and Gerry Adams is evil!!

  • John O’Connell

    Sammy

    We decided that we would defeat the Antichrist without using any stunts. Still using that ridiculous name, by the way?

  • Votáil SDLP

    DCFC til I die – Felix Healy: Legend Forever

  • John O’Connell

    Mick: Post 10 is not mine, please delete post haste.

    I thought that that would send a shiver up your spine.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    latcheeco,

    I am a big fan of Grizzly’s – I think the boy done good – dont think he could have got much more – Norn Iron increasinlgy seems like a part of Ireland now – slowly as she goes.

  • Dewi

    Maybe one Scot in the squad? Winnie Ewing?

  • John O’Connell

    a Babs de Brún shaped dildo

    Try being moral.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    John,

    what heresy is this – religion is about faith and not about proof – and besides where does the bible speak of these Curly Wurly’s and Nan Breads?

  • latcheeco

    Sammy,
    Partial to the Great dufflecoated one myself. But personalities don’t come into it. I think he got cleaned by the Brits in 1998. He never appreciated the strength of his own hand, got distracted, and folded early and his treatment of the unbelievers has been beneath him.

    2 Curly Wurlys and 5 nan breads.
    I just pissed myself. Where else would ya get it.

  • John O’Connell

    Sammy

    religion is about faith and not about proof

    Not to the Christ. I have no need of proof because I have been provided with the certainty.

    Night all.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    latcheeco,

    “2 Curly Wurlys and 5 nan breads.
    I just pissed myself. Where else would ya get it. ”

    Yes. Ablsolute Scorcher.

  • latcheeco

    Sammy,
    Of course to some of us it always seemed like part of Ireland. That’s what got us into so much trouble as youngsters 🙂

  • The independent principality of South Antrim and North Down?

    No more nonsensical than the independent sates of Luxembourg, Monaco, Singapore (remember the way they left Malaysia?), Vanuatu or Barbados, all of which seem to be doing quite well. I mean, the UN is still encouraging Niue (which has a population of less than 1,400, or a decent St. Malachy’s pre-formal or Republican demo in the New Lodge in the days when such things mattered to me) to declare independence from New Zealand. Compared to that, the Ulster Volkstaat of Greater Belfast is a vertiable titan, and isn’t hundreds of miles from the nearest landmass either.

    One island one nation? Tell that to the people of Brunei or St. Marteen or tell the people of the Dominican Republic that they are somehow bound to take on Haiti and all its attendant problems in the Republic of Hispaniola.

    Of course, in the Doomsday Scenario, a UDI Unionist State could well end up being a complete shitehole like Northern Kosovo or Transnistria, but economic logic never played a big role in the Kosovo Serbs or Moldovan Russians decisions to declare UDI. More controversially, one might argue Hamas has pursued a similar strategy in Gaza. “Nobody likes us, we don’t care” would come pretty close to a political creed for Ulster Loyalism. Or Hamas. Or the Abkhazians and South Ossetians.

    Republicanism needs to engage with Unionism; there’s no nice simple scenario where Republicanism does a deal with the Brits and the Unionists just accept their fate. Dissenting Republicanism, even of the non-violent variety, still has an enormous analytical gap in understanding Unionism as an independent political force rather than some post-colonial remnant or Irishmen with a false consciousness. Sure, if the Unionists didn’t exist, the Brits would have reluctantly left in 1920 and enthusiastically so in 1998 (indeed long before that). But it does and Brit withdrawl still equals Prod UDI. Nationalism never quite got that in 1920, to the enormous detriment of Ireland’s long-term future, and I’ve yet to see any evidence that people coming from your broad perspective have learned much in the past 89 years. You can slag off Adams and McGuinness all you like – and you might be surprised how much of your criticism of them I would share – but at least they understand that Unionism has to be related to in its own terms, rather than what an English Marxist sociology lecturer in 1966 might have understood as its own terms.

    It’s entirely your right to regard the 1998 settlement as a betrayal of Republican ideals, and to campaign to overturn it – as long as that campaign doesn’t involve usurping the will of the Irish people by shooting British soldiers, policemen or pizza delivery men; if you believe you can do better – well, so do I, if in a different way, and all societies benefit from a real contest of ideas. But if all you have to offer is a lazy demand for immediate ‘British withdrawal’, maybe you need to go back to the drawing board and ask yourself why 95%+ of your fellow countrymen disagree with you.