“These impostors will not deter us from our agenda.”

Some, at best, confused thinking in evidence in Sinn Féin’s Paul Fleming’s response to an arson attack on an office used by his party in the Rathmore shopping centre Ráth Mór Centre in Londonderry. From the iol report.

The arson incident happened overnight at the unit at Rathmore shopping centre in the Creggan after the vandals cut through metal shutters. Derry Sinn Féin chairperson Paul Fleming said: “If those who carried out this attack think they were striking a blow for Irish freedom then they are deluding themselves. “I can best describe them as no better than counter-insurgency groups that are heavily infiltrated and controlled by British intelligence services.”

If they’re “no better than counter-insurgency groups”, that would make Sinn Féin.. [A party of the civil administration of Northern Ireland – Ed] Indeed.
From the BBC report

The party’s chairman in Derry [Paul Fleming] continued: “The only thing that they succeeded in destroying last night was iconic pictures of Bobby Sands’ election victory announcement, portraits of the hunger strikers and other republican memorabilia.”

And back to the iol report

Mr Fleming added: “It is becoming clearer after every action carried out by these enemies of the peace process that their main target is not British rule in Ireland but Sinn Féin’s success in dismantling the influence of the British government in Irish affairs.

“Sinn Féin has a clear strategy to achieve Irish unity and it has been endorsed by increasing numbers of genuine republicans and nationalists in successive elections throughout Ireland. These impostors will not deter us from our agenda.

“This attack will not deter Sinn Féin from carrying out its constituency service and the centre will be open for business as usual after the Easter holiday.”

A clear strategy? And the memorabilia was part of a constituency service?

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  • Christopher

    Could Paul Fleming please explain what the Sinn Fein “agenda” actually is? No one seems to know what the “agenda” is other that feathering the nests of the first-class Sinners, as opposed to the second-class Sinners who were deliberately left behind in the dust.
    As for the “peace process,” that is a dead horse that Sinn Fein relentlessly beat to death years ago. The Sinners need to find a new live horse to ride.

  • dunreavynomore

    I have been trying to find out what the ‘agenda’is for some years and likewise for a definition of ‘the process’ but answers are usually along the line that the answers are readily available or that everybody knows…

  • Johnboy

    First they had no mandate. Then they became traitors to Ireland. Now they’re British-controlled imposters. Sinn Féin seem to be inviting trouble upon themselves. Their hypocracy and disingenuous propaganda stinks. Republicans have had enough of this crap.

  • Craoibh Rua

    Before entering into the debate concerning the ‘gains’ provisional sinn feins GFA strategy has made for nationalists on the road to a re-unified Ireland, or lack there of. I would first like to ask – Where have any “Dissidents” claimed responsibility for these acts of vandalism? What proof have psf, or the BBC (who were until moments ago headlining this breaking and entering on Ceefax on a par with the London Exchange bombing!) that this was no more or less than acts of pointless vandalism which blight people here on a daily basis. One thing is for sure however, psf sure do relish their role as número uno in the league of victimhood!

  • Craoibh Rua

    Before entering into the debate concerning the ‘gains’ provisional sinn feins GFA strategy has made for nationalists on the road to a re-unified Ireland, or lack there of. I would first like to ask – Where have any “Dissidents” claimed responsibility for these acts of vandalism? What proof have psf, or the BBC (who were until moments ago headlining this breaking and entering on Ceefax on a par with the London Exchange bombing!) that this was no more or less than acts of pointless vandalism which blight people here on a daily basis. One thing is for sure however, psf sure do relish their role as número uno in the league of victimhood!

  • Comrade Stalin

    I think it’s reasonably obvious what Sinn Fein’s agenda is, it’s to secure the balance of power in both jurisdictions in Ireland and build the path towards reunification in the long term.

    USA:

    Guess what Peter, Sinn Fein are in government, a successful peace process required it.

    It only required it because Sinn Fein were part of the war process that preceded the peace process. The idea that there cannot be peace unless you secure for us a position in power is anathema to democracy.

    I know it was debated on another thread recently (have yet to read it) but I believe the whole process may not have happened without the US contribution.

    Sigh. Not another merkin who believes the existence of their country is the only thing that makes peace and democracy possible. And you accuse Pete of arrogance ?

    Glad you enjoyed your trip. Today is the best yet, weather-wise. Bit windy though.

  • guillaume

    “Some, at best, confused thinking in evidence in Sinn Féin’s Paul Fleming’s response to an arson attack on an office used by his party in the Rathmore shopping centre in Londonderry”-lazy
    shall not read on;

  • dunreavynomore

    USA
    “If they’re “no better than counter-insurgency groups”, that would make Sinn Féin.. [A party of the civil administration of Northern Ireland – Ed] Indeed.”
    What does that even mean?
    It is pointing out that if they are …counter insurgency..’ then S.F. must also be insurgents (for the others to counter)while supposed to be in the civil administration. As you say, ‘it’s not rocket science.’

  • Jimmy

    Remember that Sinn Fein and the Provisionals were also dissidents at various times in the past. The same descriptions they accuse the neo-dissidents off were used to describe them (Sinn Fein-PIRA) The Best part of 120 years from the IRB to now of split and counter split is all part of the long Republican tradition and No United Ireland.

    Provisonal Sinn Fein whether they like it or not ‘as they are part of the same historical process’ must concede that Dissidents are now the legitamate holders of Republican Ideals and the Proclamation of 1916. If its a case of History repeating itself as I believe it is.
    SF simply do not like have thier political comfort zones rocked by people who they remind them of what they used to be.
    Its like a poor man who suddenly comes into money, he’s embarassed by his vulgar past but cant escape it because he’s constantly reminded of it by his peers.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The idea that there cannot be peace unless you secure for us (Sinn Fein) a position in power is anathema to democracy.” Not so long ago (80’s) the Unionists refused to talk to SF, several unsuccessful attempts were made to resolve the political strife which by design left SF outside the tent.

    I don’t see what’s wrong with that. At that time, SF had around 12-14% of the vote. Why couldn’t a political process have been constructed without them ?

    The British decided to deal with SF, and eventually to bring Unionists into power sharing.

    The British did not deal with SF seriously until they were admitted into the all-party talks in 1997 which happened after Blair came to power. Powersharing didn’t happen until 2000.

    No power sharing and continued refusal to negotiate with Sinn Fein would have killed the process.

    Why ?

    SF are now in power because they have a mandate.

    No, they are in power because of a contrived political system which guarantees them a role in spite of the fact that most of us who are sane do not want to work with them. It’s nothing to do with the fact that they are republicans, or Catholics, or anything else, it’s the fact that they’re weird nutty pro-Cuba Marxists who wouldn’t be tolerated by the USA if they were trying to take power in a South American country.

    The conflict is essentially over. If you don’t like it blame the British, they went along with the plan.

    It was you who just made the contention that a “successful peace process required [Sinn Fein involvement]”. Read your words, they’re right there up the page. So you can’t just say “hey, don’t blame me, ask the British”.

    As for the British, they facilitated the plan but did not conceive it beyond having support for the general idea of powersharing. SF’s compulsory presence, and the other stuff about the makeup of the institutions, were the work of the SDLP who achieved them as concessions from the Ulster Unionists and persuaded the Americans and the British to go along with it; the Americans being lobbied themselves by SF. Unfortunately.

    A major part of the reason why the process looks like it does is because half the Unionists didn’t bother to turn up at the talks.

    I don’t think that way, that would be stupid so don’t put words in my mouth. What you can quote me on is this, direct US involvement through political and economic intiatives played a significant role in helping move the process in the direction the two governments and SF wanted.

    That is a climbdown from what you said earlier, which is that the peace process might not have happened had it not been for the US contribution. The US “helped” – yes. The US involvement oiled the wheels and greased the joints. It added a stamp of credibility. But it wasn’t a prerequisite to success which is what you claimed earlier.

    Remember its my US tax dollars that pay for your International Fund for Ireland

    Hmm, £576million over 20 years. That’s about 3% of the annual government spending in Northern Ireland alone. This is a drop in the ocean.

    and various other ‘peace dividend’ or FDI initiatives,

    Your tax dollars pay for that, my arse. My tax dollars pay for it by subsidizing your companies to set up here and export profits back home to the USA. And no, it’s not that I’m ungrateful – it’s great to have American companies investing here. But let’s not pretend that it’s out of some kind of altruistic gesture towards Ireland. It’s not, it’s because it makes (or made, in many cases) economic sense and because you guys are substantially bribed to do so. The US taxpayer doesn’t pay a penny towards it – quite appropriately too.

    so mind your manners and be a bit more grateful next time your leaders come to Washington with your wee cap in hand.

    If I thought American assistance came with patronizing and arrogant attachments like this, I’d tell you to pound your money right up your ass. Fortunately I think the international diplomatic realities are more sensible.

    Washington has moved on, London is getting sick of the spongers also, and Dublin won’t be building anymore northern roads anytime soon. Don’t bite the hand that feeds (your public sector society), it’s not smart politically or econimically.

    This is nonsense. American investors have never put money in here because of Irish politicians being nice to them. It’s all about profit, and investments were made on that basis. This is not a bad thing. But it’s the way it is.

  • TK

    A successful peace process depended on the full participation of Sinn Fein and the DUP. However, from a militant republican point of view – it has required a complete surrender/suspension of their stated objectives.
    To the IRA – FF- Fine Gael- Labour- SDLP have all been traitors- now to hear former IRA leaders in Sinn Fein calling their own off spring traitors is perversely heartening and welcoming but its the same self justification used by every constitutional nationalist party with the exception of the SDLP since the war of Independence. Its not attractive but it is necessary. The IRA was always delusional about their objectives – its a delusion that is not hard to carry over into participating in the running of a part of the UK through Stormont.