The wrong type of victims group?

After reading an article in the Impartial Reporter on éirígí in Fermanagh (no longer online but reproduced below the fold)

I came across some comment online where Provisional SF supporters raised objections to the section on Firinne ( Fermanagh based group representing families of those bereaved though British state violence):

“In November around 100 people attended a Hunger Strike event hosted by the party in Kinawley while a recent meeting in Enniskillen organised by Firinne, which campaigns on behalf of the victims of state violence, attracted around 120 and was seen as another indicator of éirígí popularity.”

SF’s problems with Firinne seem to stem from Sean Lynch’s removal from the management committee, a decision I understand was fully endorsed by the Firinne Chair at the time and SF Cllr Pat Cox, after his appopintment to the local DPP. That position seems to have caused concerns over a conflict of interest.

I have heard from two separate sources (yes, unnamed) that the recent Firinne AGM at the Clinton Centre descended into farce when it experienced an influx of attendees who had never been associated with the group before (80+), mainly SF members, who attempted to shout down the meeting and influence the election of the new management group even though none had any relationship with the group. The PSNI were called by other groups in the centre at the time and many of the families of victims in attendance left in tears/distressed, admittedly accompanied by some SF elected reps and others who are involved in the group. The meeting closed with ugly and abusive scenes.

I don’t know if SF got the result they wanted.

  • NCM

    Three predictions:

    1) éirígí will gain considerably in the near-term from SF’s reaction to the latest events.

    2) The British security/intelligence apparatus will make discrediting and thwarting éirígí job #1, perhaps trying to portray éirígí as tied to the “dissidents” and perhaps infiltrating éirígí with agent provocateurs tasked with framing éirígí supporters with some sort of conspiracy.

    3) SF will actively work with British security/intelligence to thwart and discredit éirígí.

    I recognize prediction #3 is fighting words but sorry, I actually think that’s not implausible.

    éirígí represents the most genuine threat to the continued British occupation and the British authorities will, I predict, use the latest armed campaign as a pretext for targeting éirígí, whose support for “illegal” activities has been limited to some harmless and non-violent trespassing to unfurl banners.

  • picador

    Why did you leave éirígí, Mark?

  • Mark McGregor

    picador,

    I left for the same reason I’ve ever joined anything – because I wanted to.

    Now the subject?

  • Miss Fitz

    Mark
    I wonder if you could explain the title of this piece- the ‘wrong type’ of victim’s group? I don’t see anything at all in the piece you have written that supports this, and I am not sure what kind of point you are making. You also refer to on-line commentary, but I don’t seem to be able to find that in the article either.

  • Reader

    NCM: éirígí represents the most genuine threat to the continued British occupation…
    I don’t see it – how are Éirígí a threat? They aren’t going to win over unionists for the referendum, and they aren’t going to sidestep a referendum, so how are they going to influence the issue at all?

  • NCM

    Reader, by slowly and steadily building its support base to the point that it is positioned to eclipse SF. I’m not suggesting that éirígí is set to be a credible challenge to the British state, like, next week, but that in the medium term it very well could.

  • curious

    I have heard from two separate sources (yes, unnamed)

    I find it very hard to believe that SF did this…

    I came across some comment online

    Do you have a link?

  • fin

    Angered at the “frustratingly slow” pace of progress towards their political goals, more and more republicans may desert Sinn Fein and join the ranks of éirígí.

    I think this is the key sentence, we’ve been here before and I think the British Govt. realise it too, most notably in P&J.

    Will they continue to allow unionism to deep their heels in and risk more violence or will Robbo get an ear bashing (if he hasn’t alread)

  • smoke and mirrors

    Eirigi a threat to S/F and the British state…. you’re having a laugh

    Eirigi is, was, and always will be, what it was designed created and concieved to be… an insignificant waste of nonsense imagined by Whitehall designed by Thievepal built by Sinn Fein.
    It is full of the stalwarts of the S/F election machine that were all too eager mouthpieces of S/F propoganda line.
    It has at it’s core former S/F bully boys who filled the picket lines outside the homes of pregnant women who dared to express criticim of the S/F leadership or of Provisional murder squads.
    It wishes to claim and proclaim historical republican ideology whilst whitewashing it’s heavy involement as all too eager lemmings on the Adams cliff of republican destiny.

    I believe most intelligent republicans regard Eirigi as just another contrived British experiment to create a grouping insulated from Omagh who’s leadership is trusted 100% by Adams unleashed at a critical moment to fufill it’s designated design.

    TO MOP UP ANY WAYWARD OR WAVERING REPUBLICANS FROM THE S/F FOLD AND TO NULLIFY AND SQUANDER THEIR POTENTIAL BEFORE THEY AMALGAMATE WITH A RADICAL GROUPING OPPOSED TO THE GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT.

  • sb

    Mark,

    You left SF, You left éirígí. What are you in now? You continue to publicise the éirígí position, and take every opportunity to be critical of SF. Is it not the case that your posts are designed to “stir” things up a little, with information fed from “sources” among the dissidents?

  • Conspiracies everywhere

    Smoke and mirrors:
    “Eirigi is, was, and always will be, what it was designed created and concieved to be… an insignificant waste of nonsense imagined by Whitehall designed by Thievepal built by Sinn Fein.”
    “I believe most intelligent republicans regard Eirigi as just another contrived British experiment to create a grouping insulated from Omagh who’s leadership is trusted 100% by Adams unleashed at a critical moment to fufill it’s designated design.”

    I think I’ve read and heard everything now. Could it not be that most of them (in eirigi) are actually serious about what they’re at?

  • Mick Fealty

    Lads, any chance of getting down to playing the ball, rather than the man.

    Picador,

    You often tread a thin line between humourous asides and personal attacks. I usually give you the benefit of the doubt. This time I didn’t. You’re long enough in your Slugger tooth to know how to bide by the rules!

    You too sb! You can criticise the argument, pull it to bits for all I care; just grant the man his right to speak unmolested!

  • Reader

    NCM: Reader, by slowly and steadily building its support base to the point that it is positioned to eclipse SF. I’m not suggesting that éirígí is set to be a credible challenge to the British state, like, next week, but that in the medium term it very well could.
    But how? Replacing one Republican party with another Republican party isn’t going to make any difference to the Brits. Especially if Éirígí are abstentionist in the north. And if Éirígí create the impression that they are waiting for an opportunity to go militant, then they’ll never replace SF, because that’s a deal breaker for most of those potential voters these days.
    What was SF’s peak vote before the ceasefire and the GFA?

  • picador

    Mick,

    I can be fiercely critical of SF at times but it seems that in the last week or so this site has become dedicated to attacking SF full-time.

    Let’s be clear. éirígí are wandering about south Fermanagh handing out Proclamations of the Republic while a few miles away a bunch of unreconstructed fanatics are doing their utmost to kill policemen.

    What is this infantile posturing intended to achieve? In what way is it admirable? Perhaps the blogger might deign to tell us.

  • Mick Fealty

    Picador,

    I know that. And you’re perfectly free to come to that judgement. All I can say is that I give people from right across the political spectrum and none a platform and it’s up to them what they blog or do not blog. I have neither the time nor the resources nor the desire to organise a coherent line across the site.

    And just to be clear (and there is a need for clarity at times such as these), dissent from SF’s mainstream line does not equate to backing of the violent campaigns being waged by others. You may have been on a riff there, that went too far, but so long as you play the ball, you won’t here another remark from me.

  • picador

    dissent from SF’s mainstream line does not equate to backing of the violent campaigns being waged by others

    I did not mean to imply that was the case and I apologise to Mark if I misleadingly gave the impression that he backed the current campaign of violence.

  • missfitz

    Mick
    This thread makes an accusation against Firinne, and claims or appears to claim it is the ‘wrong kind of victims group.’ This was substantiated by material that is no longer on a website for good reason. I feel it is right and proper that an explanation is sought.

  • Mick Fealty

    MissFitz,

    I’m not sure I follow that.

    In the meantime, for clarity: I’ve no objection to Mark or any other blogger being held account. The more robust the questioning the better. Ball not man, etc, etc..

  • Mark McGregor

    ‘Miss Fitz’,

    ‘the wrong type’ reference only referered to those that would/do see this as a group that didn’t and won’t submit to political control – the entire point of the entry.

    You and others can go off on whatever tangent you chooose, the entry remains and the original article only seems to have been removed through poor journalism not an issue with any additional information I’ve presented.

  • curiouser and curiouser

    Mick
    This thread makes an accusation against Firinne, and claims or appears to claim it is the ‘wrong kind of victims group.’ This was substantiated by material that is no longer on a website for good reason. I feel it is right and proper that an explanation is sought.

    I’m not sure I follow that.

    I can follow it.

    You and others can go off on whatever tangent you chooose, the entry remains and the original article only seems to have been removed through poor journalism not an issue with any additional information I’ve presented.

    How do you know?

    Picador,

    I know that. And you’re perfectly free to come to that judgement. All I can say is that I give people from right across the political spectrum and none a platform and it’s up to them what they blog or do not blog. I have neither the time nor the resources nor the desire to organise a coherent line across the site.

    I doubt its about that. Why post something unsubstantiated and why is it wrong to question why someone does this?

    I’ve never heard anything claiming that Firhinne was the wrong type of victims group anywhere else….

  • picador

    It’s Fírinne BTW (with a fada) and it means truth, though probably of a highly selective nature where republicans demand openness from others but are unwilling to provide it themselves.