Silent Protest at 1pm tomorrow…

OUR PEACE – OUR FUTURE

Join a silent protest at the Massereene murders

Trade Unions stand together with all citizens in solidarity to prevent any derailment of the peace process.

The callous attack last Saturday night was an assault on every citizen who supports peace.

All workers and their families are invited to express their abhorrence at these murders and the direct threat to the peace process

Please attend our silent protests on Wednesday, 11 March 2009 at 1pm:

Belfast City Hall

L’Derry Guildhall Square

Newry Town Hall

By your presence show your support for peace and your rejection of those seeking to destroy that peace

  • picador

    Do the clocks go back tomorrow, Mick?

    Looks like 1 p.m. to me.

    I assume the protest is against the murder of the police officer too?

    Could you please clarify on both points.

  • Mick Fealty

    That’s the latest copy I have, but yes I would imagine the killing of Constable Stephen Carroll is included. Sorry. I’ve amended the title..

  • what about?

    what about a protest concerning the british presence in ireland which is the reason why these invaders died in the first place?

  • al

    If you want to organise a protest what about? then work away. I would imagine your rally would have much fewer supporters than the one Mick has highlighted.

  • Reader

    what about? : what about a protest concerning the british presence in ireland which is the reason why these invaders died in the first place?
    Organise one. Let us know how it goes for you. It’s probably only fair to let the participants know whether you expect them to approve of the methods, or just the cause.

  • sj1

    I heard there was a vigil outside city hall now? Anyone else hear that?

  • Where is L’Derry

    Obviously Unionist participation isn’t wanted…can’t find that place on my map…nor does the SatNav help when I try to locate it….

  • picador

    #7 Grow up you tosser

  • bored to tears

    L’Derry is obviously an abbreviated form of Londonderry/Derry, whichever you’d prefer. You posted this at least once before in another thread relating to these protests. Under a different guise, granted. Guess what? Wasn’t funny then either.

  • Oilifear

    Where is … – Google it.

    Mick, know of anything south of the border?

  • bored to tears

    Ah yes…here it is. Number 3 on this page. Keep on trolling mate, that’ll sort these scumbags out.
    http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/newsround/P25/

  • deirdre nelson

    #6. According to tonight’s BBC news, there’s a vigil at Belfast City Hall at 7pm tonight. Sorry I didn’t post earlier.
    FYI whatabout- the policeman shot today was an Irishman, albeit one who wasn’t ashamed of his Britishness. Incidentally, in much the same way that I’m British, Irish and European. Time you lot wised up with this crap about the evil invaders. The majority of people on this island voted for a change when the PEOPLE wanted it, not when you lot decided.
    Actually, time you lot wised up altogether
    I intend to be in Londonderry tomorrow so I don’t want to hear any rubbish about no prods here #7. You don’t speak in my name and Picador’s right- grow up

  • Comrade Stalin

    FYI whatabout- the policeman shot today was an Irishman, albeit one who wasn’t ashamed of his Britishness.

    Would you care to enlighten us about how you established his political views ? Or was it just PSNI = Prod = Unionist ?

    Jesus H fucking Christ, the man isn’t buried and we’re already pigeonholing him with our own prejudices.

  • mourneful

    17-year-old arrested after third Ulster killing
    Associated Press
    Tuesday, 10 March 2009

    A 17-year-old and a 37-year-old man are in custody in connection with last night’s murder of a Northern Ireland policemen, the third killing in two days claimed by an IRA splinter group.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/17yearold-arrested-after-third-ulster-killing-1641168.html

  • joeCanuck

    Where is L’Derry:

    Don’t let it bother your teeny little head. Don’t go there. Instead, go to Strabane. Leading North out of town you will find a road called the A5. Just follow it and after about 15 miles you’ll arrive where you want to go.
    Strabane folk are very friendly and anyone you ask will tell you where the Derry Road is.

  • west belfast

    I hope there are no speeches etc just ordinary people. Also a huge turnout would be great.

    I’ll be there. Don’t want a return to this.

  • clonakilty

    L Derry where is it
    It’s where mr Mcguinness lives, the man who used to favour tying workers into their own vehicles and sending them into bases with bombs on board to blow themselves up and was happy enough with mothers being shot and their bodies hidden for 20 years.
    Now he thinks that would be ‘counterproductive’ but maybe he won’t think that next year,

  • joeCanuck

    I hope there are no speeches

    Well, West Belfast, it is being billed as a silent protest.
    That should “speak” louder than any words. Only wish I could attend.

  • Comrade Stalin

    When people talked about these killings destabilizing the place, they were right.

    Looking at this thread, the deaths have brought to the surface the dark side of many people. Three human beings are dead, and mindless, gormless idiots using a thread discussing a protest against those murders to debate the name of Stroke City and play their usual stupid sectarian games. I’m utterly ashamed to think of people around the world reading this thread and wondering if we really are members of the human race or some sort of isolated group who were bypassed by the evolutionary advance of the rest of the goddam species.

  • mourneful

    BELFAST(AFP) (AFP) – Detectives in Northern Ireland probing the killing of a police officer arrested two men Tuesday in the town where the attack took place, officials said.

  • mourneful

    ‘Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.’ — George Santayana

  • clonakilty

    “I hope there are no speeches…”
    Better ban the politicians then.
    Anyone remember the peace people, their protests, vigils, marches, pleas and so on? Did they axchieve anything?

  • joeCanuck

    Did they achieve anything?

    Yes, they probably did, clonakilty.

    We have no way of knowing how many people they influenced away from the path of violence but it would be absurd to suggest that the number is less than 1.

  • Scooby

    “what about a protest concerning the british presence in ireland which is the reason why these invaders died in the first place?”

    You make me sick, go Away. Your hatred makes me pity you. We don’t need people like you in our society.

  • Diluted Orange

    mourneful

    [i]‘Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.’—George Santayana[/i]

    Is this quote in relation to the 17 year old who was arrested?

    If he was involved then I agree with your sentiment – very sad indeed.

    We should also think long and hard about what this arrest says about our ‘post-Troubles’ society? A society where someone can grow up without any first hand knowledge of sectarian violence and yet still be embittered enough and infected by their own environment, in peaceful times, to want to take part in this madness.

  • Expenses

    Jim Allister should be jailed as he is deliberately trying to stoke up tension. He should be jailed under anti terror legislation.

  • clonakilty

    joe Canuck

    “Did they achieve anything…yes, they probably did.”

    I agree with you, they probably swayed some people to thir way of thinking who had not already been thinking that way but, believe it or not, conversely, they caused other people to take a harder line than they would have because they believed the peace people were taking a pro government line. With Mcguinness throwing out words like ‘traitor’ this venture carries the same possibility.

  • pipngil

    I thought we were starting to see the signs that Northern Ireland and it’s people were at long last starting to come together and to be united in thier determination not to allow this country to be dragged back into another 30 years of hell. Then I read this thread. There really are some arse holes out there, three men lie dead, four others are seriously ill and still there are some knobs out there who just want to carry on fighting over what you call a city or to refer to these men as invaders and attempt to blame them for what has happened. For gods sake, for all our sakes grow up or else piss off to some isolated island, all of you together and get on with your hatred and moronic lives with each other.

    The Deput First Minister got it exactly right at the press conference with the First Minister and Chief Constable, these people are traitors, traitors to the island of ireland and to the people of ireland, north and south.

    I am an Irish man and a protestant and I am proud of my Irish heritage and I will not allow these cowards to destroy my pride.

    I will stand side by side, shoulder to shoulder with anyone who stands up for what is right and what is just and will make my stand for these. It is time for all right thinking people of this land of ours to stand up to these murderers, to name them, to give them no place to hide.

  • ” by your presence show your support for peace and your rejection of those seeking to destroy that peace.”

    Nice sentiment! Makes me wonder why so many of the threads, including your own, today have disgracefully attacked sinn fein! The hate filled carnival of reaction directed not at the RIRA/CIRA but at SF, in the hours following those brutal murders is absolutely shameful. Dissident republicans are the sworn enemies of the SF leadership, although you would have thought that SF carried out the murders!
    The peace process is robust enough to survive, and will survive, this onslaught by on the one hand those deluded micro groups, and on the other hand the bias of the bigoted anti republican political commentator set who equally want to see SF out of government and the whole peace process falling victim to that aim.

  • Why I’ll be at the City Hall tomorrow at 1pm:

    “I was in Antrim again yesterday, bringing my three boys to see their grandparents. Those boys have such exuberance, zest for life, innocence. As a father, I don’t want to have to explain the likes of Saturday night to my children. I don’t want that callousness and disregard for life to be a feature of the Northern Ireland in which they grow up. My generation have been there, done that and we don’t want our kids wearing the hand-me-down t-shirt.

    …Our political arrangements may look a bit creaky sometimes, but they are our political arrangements – we voted for them.

    Our politicians may seem a bit cranky sometimes, but they are our politicians – we voted for them.

    Our peace deal may show itself to be a bit flawed sometimes, but it is our peace deal – we voted for it…

    …Now, we need to put an end to complacency and realise that the job of making peace and ensuring justice is not yet finished, nor perhaps will be for a generation and more.

    I’ll be standing in determined silence with my Amnesty colleagues and thousands of other ordinary citizens on Wednesday at the peace rallies called by the ICTU. If you’re in Belfast, I hope to see you there.”

    From Belfast and Beyond, written last night as the news from Craigavon came through. Hope to see some of you tomorrow.

  • al

    Meanwhile, there have been minor disturbances in Craigavon and wheeled bins set on fire after police raided homes near the scene of the killing.

    Police said they are monitoring the situation and have advised drivers to avoid the Ardowen area of Craigavon. – Source BBC

  • Driftwood

    The Deput First Minister got it exactly right at the press conference with the First Minister and Chief Constable, these people are traitors, traitors to the island of ireland and to the people of ireland, north and south.
    Pipnigil

    It would have been even better to have seen Brigadier George Norton at that press conference and Martin McGuinness visually supporting, as well as his acknowledgement of support for, the Commander of the Army garrison here and the man responsible for the defence of Northern Ireland.

  • Each to their own

    So its takes the murder of white western armed officers for people to feel repulsed, when the USA, Britain, Israel continue to invade oppress and murder people with swarthy skin, don’t see many silent protests against such things, but hey, each to their own.

  • I hope there are no speeches etc just ordinary people.

    ICTU are saying explicitly no political speeches or speakers.

    It would have been even better to have seen Brigadier George Norton at that press conference and Martin McGuinness visually supporting, as well as his acknowledgement of support for, the Commander of the Army garrison here and the man responsible for the defence of Northern Ireland.

    Arsehole.

    Yes, I’m playing the man but it has to be done sometime.

  • Mark McGregor

    I’m going to take photos. I’m not participating in a stupid dummies meeting that doesn’t have the balls to address the issues.

  • LURIG

    Driftwood

    Stop talking p*sh will you. Martin McGuinness is an Irish Republican who wants to see a United Ireland but who is now prepared to work for it through peaceful means. Mainstream Republicans still have no great love for the British Army whose actions throughout the conflict are being hidden and covered up by Westminster legislation. By standing beside a British Army Brigadier McGuinness would have alienated most Provisional Republicans. HOWEVER that is not to excuse what happened in Antrim OR Craigavon, it’s just fact. McGuinness and Sinn Fein have received a massive mandate at the ballot box for their strategy and agenda and MOST Republicans now firmly believe that politics are the ONLY way now. There is not the social conditions, poverty, injustice and discrimination that fueled the 35 year conflict. These killings have horrified most Nationalists who just want to live their lives and make it better for themselves and their families. There is no appetite for this. Can some people just not accept Sinn Fein’s unequivocal stance without looking for faults?

  • Petridish

    I swing somewhat to the right, and detest much of what trades union politics now is, but I for one am not going to just give words of support but am going to put on my coat and go to this protest with my actual physical support. I hope that many others think likewise.

  • each to their own,

    you must have missed the ICTU protests against the various wars over the last number of years, most recently the Israeli aggression on the population of Gaza.

    Mark,

    Can you elaborate on what you mean by the real issues? The British presence? The failings of Stormont? What?

  • Driftwood

    Sammy Morse
    either Brigadier George Norton is the man in charge of the defence of NI or he isn’t. If he isn’t, please let me know who is, Sir Richard Dannatt? That’s ok, Martin would maybe like to meet his new commander in chief.

    LURIG, after your hysterical outbursts the last few days you are in no position to pontificate. We may have had our arguments in the past, and I accept SF’s unequivocal condemnation tonight, but reality is what it is. And neither you or SF can argue who is in charge of the security of Northern Ireland. George Norton, like his predecessor, is a decent, well educated professional. We should be proud to have him here as our military commander.

    submit word here: ‘military’, spooky

  • Suilven

    MMcG,
    Hide behind your camera all you like. Maybe, if you’re a nice boy & ask real nice, Colin Duffy will ‘address the issues’ for you at your next Eirigi cock-sucking session.

  • LURIG

    Driftwood

    ‘Our’ military commander might be ‘your’ military commander but certainly NOT for Irish Nationalists. If you cannot see this we are in even bigger trouble than I thought. It’s like the IFA Nationality fiasco where that Unionist organisation wouldn’t accept that most Northern Catholics see themselves as Irish and many kids preferred to play football for the South. It’s time Unionists lost this warped twisted thinking. Hysterical outbursts?? Where, when, what? For daring to ask what Loyalist intentions are? You are in no position to lecture anyone after demanding that Loyalists retaliate and having your disgraceful inflammatory remarks removed. You should apologise for that.

  • Each to their own

    Gari surely you’re aware of the rather dubious double standards certain people have as regards murder….I doubt many who will attend this, were in attendance at the various protests against the murders of those swarthy skinned people.

  • veritas

    Garibaldy Can you elaborate on why the official ira/group b haven`t disarmed?

    All terrorists are scum.

  • Driftwood,

    maybe if Marty agreed to start supporting Rangers, joined the British Legion, converted to Free Presbyteriansim, took up an officer’s commission in the TA, became an Apprentice Boy, started the world’s largest Willie McCrea CD collection, and pushed OFMDFM to reintroduce the celebration of Empire Day you’d be happy, but I can’t see anything short of that pleasing you.

    I’m not exactly a fan of either Marty or Robinson, but they have both earned their stripes as rightful co-leaders of our awkward little entity over the past couple of days. Expecting Marty to jump into bed with the Brits is just being silly and conopscious; I’m not too sure the Brits would be all that keen either.

  • Scooby

    maybe if Marty agreed to start supporting Rangers, joined the British Legion, converted to Free Presbyteriansim, took up an officer’s commission in the TA, became an Apprentice Boy, started the world’s largest Willie McCrea CD collection, and pushed OFMDFM to reintroduce the celebration of Empire Day you’d be happy, but I can’t see anything short of that pleasing you.

    Get me Speilberg stat. Brilliant.

  • picador

    I’m going to take photos. I’m not participating in a stupid dummies meeting that doesn’t have the balls to address the issues.

    How very ultra-leftist of you. I’m sure you will be counted among the numbers present in any case.

    Garibaldy,

    It seems you have a stalker (and no, it’s not me)

  • Picador,

    Good to see other people have noticed. And it’s not just on this website either. I have decided just to ignore this individual due to the ridiculous nature of the comments made.

  • Driftwood

    Sammy
    As an atheist, and a Hearts and Leeds supporter, but not a fan of Robinson either. I think Marty should go through none of those. But Norton is public school, the Coldstream Guards, Oxford, everything that is fantastic about the UK, he is a bit above McGuiness, who seems as if he didn’t even make grammar school. How can we have people in charge of our country who haven’t even had a decent education, and may even come from a lower class background. It wouldn’t happen in England and why should we put up with educational failures? We need public school success stories in charge here, not secondary school failures.

  • Wilde Rover

    Driftwood,

    “How can we have people in charge of our country who haven’t even had a decent education, and may even come from a lower class background.”

    Quite right Driftwood.

    People who haven’t attended a public school should be ineligible for public office, either in the civil service or in parliament. People from the lower classes lack the cranial capacity for clear thinking and therefore should be confined to performing menial tasks.

    Good God Sammy, next you’ll be ranting on about some piffle to do with democracy or equality or some other nonsense.

    The Great in Great Britain comes from the ability of the higher castes to rule the Untouchables like benign patriarchs.

    Your concern for these Untermensch smells dangerously like Fenianism.

  • How can we have people in charge of our country who haven’t even had a decent education, and may even come from a lower class background.

    OK, you’re trolling, got it.

    But, Hearts? Seriously? Good God, man!

  • Jimmy

    Reprehensible as the murder of the security personnel was. There have been dozens of political killings since the signing of the GFA in 1998. I support the silent protest for sure. However just because they were security personnel doesn’t mean their deaths were anymore wasteful than say, Paul Quinn or Denis Donaldson to quote just two. No vigils for peace on those occasions. Or is it because dissident violence is considered more reprehensible than the mainstream of Republicanism? Are Sinn Fein attending or endorsing this? This wee country has a very selective attitude indeed to what it feels constitutes moral outrage.

  • Mac Thoirdealbhaigh

    Peace…or what?

    The killings in Antrim last week bring to the fore an issue that can no longer be avoided if we are to achieve our dream of lasting peace here- in fact, we need to face it head-on now.
    If you ask a group of people what they consider ‘peace’ to be, I suggest that each person would have a different perspective. This is because each of us has a different set of values based on certain influences such as politics, religion,education, community, etc.
    Therefore it could be said, the peace I want is very different from the peace you yearn for.
    We all want a different end result. As I consider the political parties representing our community and the process of peace they’ve engaged in, I ask the question -What peace are they trying to achieve?
    When we consider Sinn Fein, peace in their eyes is specific to having a united Ireland, the end of British rule and the idea that policing is based on equality as they define it.
    Or on the other hand you have the DUP desiring no change to policing, continuation of British rule and Northern Ireland staying connected to the UK.
    The ultimate question that needs to be asked of the political peace process, is, how do we achieve sustainable peace, when the aims of the parties engaged in the peace process are completely contrary to each other?
    Such is the problem of peace in Northern Ireland (the North of Ireland).
    This is a part of the process the parties have to engage in.
    If this issue is never addressed then REAL peace, in terns of a united peace, will never be achieved in this country.
    So let’s ask the politicians -What are you aiming for?
    If it’s only an end to violence – you will not create a platform for the next generation to build on.
    It means the hard work will have to be done by those who come after you.
    If we want a future for our young people based on shared values and ideals, one that doesn’t involve a repeat of what we experienced last weekend, then let’s encourage our politicians to engage with the real question of the peace process- What are you aiming for together?

    Jeremy Gardiner, Ballymena. (Irish News, P26… 11-3-2009)

  • Mac Thoirdealbhaigh

    i agree with ‘jimmy’ totally on this issue!

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “This wee country has a very selective attitude indeed to what it feels constitutes moral outrage.”

    Indeed…….and in that case, the PM flying in too at the weekend, but no such visit before for previous murders.

  • picador

    Fall-outs among thieves in back-lanes are back-streets are not really on the same scale as cold-blooded efforts which are calculated to start a war.

    That is the main difference.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I was at the rally today near the city hall in Belfast.

    It is not the first such rally I have been at, so I was disappointed to hear that the trade unions still have not figured out how to set up a sound system. It was very difficult to hear what was being said, and at one point the speaker had to apologize due to all the feedback.

    Near the end, an individual walked through the crowd, right in front of me, yelling “not in my name” in the direction of the speaker. He looked & sounded a bit like Cedric Wilson, though I’m not sure if it was him. I suspected that he was reacting to the statement coming over the tannoy that “we” all supported the new political institutions. I thought it was a (minor) mistake for the trade union guy to say that.

    I was disappointed in the turnout. I guessed it would have been in the low five-figures. Other than these points, I am glad I went along to show my opposition to the murders over the weekend.

  • Mac Thoirdealbhaigh

    Stalin murdered a few people in his day ‘Comrade’?!

  • Mac Thoirdealbhaigh

    as for “the thieves in back lanes”…what about the thieves in corporate offices?