UCU – NF logo competition…

There’s a nice blog piece over on Redemption’s Son on the choice of Ulster as the governing regional principle over at Redemption’s Son… It struck me that we might offer to design them a logo… Haven’t thought of a prize yet; other than we could do with a permanent purveyor of Caption competitions… if you’re game?!? Send us your entries or load them on Flickr and we’ll put the best up on Slugger!!

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  • I’ll get my bumper pack of crayons out!

  • to kick it off..

    http://tinyurl.com/ddu2u4

  • ??

    U
    CUNF!

  • Paul

    Keep it consistent with the Scots!:

    http://tinyurl.com/atl6vr

  • picador

    Wow! I can’t believe how utterly crass the choice of name is.

    We have had enough ‘forces’ in recent times. (perhaps the word is an allusion to the recent link-up with the PUP).

    And the NF acronym – with all its ‘bulldog’ British connotations – is similarly doomed.

    This have come from the same people who produced the Titanic.

    Did Tory Central Office really approve this? GB and NI are like, on two entirely different planets.

    For a logo I would suggest the National Front NF symbol incorporating the ‘butcher’s apron’ with a snarling loyalist paramilitary (1972 vintage with scarf, soft hat and sunglasses) looking out from the outline of our benighted ‘pravince’. That should complete the job.

    What a fiasco!!

  • frustrated democrat

    check out http://www.conservativesandunionists.com seems it has all been done

  • FD,

    Is that the proper site?

    So after all the negotiations over the name which is ‘Ulster Conservatives and Unionists – New Force’ they go ahead and out ‘Conservatives and Unionists’ on the website?

    I’m a bit perplexed.

  • lee

    Is this the sort of thing the NF Uninists are after

    http://www.natfront.com/images/nf-enoch-a4.gif

  • ABC

    I f Ignited, who I think is a member of the UUP Executive is a bit perplexed what does it mean Reg told the faithful at the meeting last night?

    Splits emerging already?

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Does’nt look as if the Ulster Unionists had any input at all in the name change.
    Looks as if the Conservatives called the shots.
    Definitely the end of the old Ulster Unionist Party, and I can see many leaving the party if the Conservatives dominate the agenda, especially when some Unionist folk can be very disagreeable.

    An end of an era really!

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    UCUNF

    ….terrible name which wasn’t thought out very well.

    NF = New Force
    NF = National Front

  • Comrade Stalin

    Does’nt look as if the Ulster Unionists had any input at all in the name change.
    Looks as if the Conservatives called the shots.

    I am not sure I agree; I don’t think the Conservatives would have been daft enough to come up with initials (U CUNF) which are one letter away from a very bad word.

  • Davey Dave

    Ignited,

    Methinks Jeff Peel has been losing the run of himself and doing stuff not cleared by the working group. Everything I’ve heard suggests he is pushing his own line on that website without approval.

    Heads about to roll?

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “I am not sure I agree; I don’t think the Conservatives would have been daft enough to come up with initials (U CUNF) which are one letter away from a very bad word.”

    Aye, I had already hilighted that last night, but my post was deleted!

  • I look forward to seeing how the new cross-community Tories do in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal. Very brave of them to run candidates in two sovereign states, given that it hasn’t exactly worked too well for SF.

  • borderline

    ‘We’re not little Ulster’ says Sir Reg.

    Without Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal that’s exactly what you are.

  • graduate

    I note from their website that you’re inly welcome to join if you already share their views. Doesn’t sound like they’ll be doing too much in the way of persuading others. I would describe myself as in sympathy with the Conservative Party but there’s no way I’ll be voting for this crap. Conservatives should organise here properly and effectively without having the baggage of the Utterly Useless Party around their necks and I’d probably have joined. As it is it seems to be the UUP are completely going back to their landed gentry days and the rest of us plebs should get used to tugging our forelocks again.
    Did no-one in the joint committee see ANYTHING wrong with their choice of name? Acronyms aside and NF confusion aside that’s very nearly a very naughty word. Why am I even remotely surprised the UUP have sown themselves to be completely inept again?

  • graduate

    Sorry! Should be “shown” not “sown”.
    Mea culpa

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    The NF bit is looks like an oversight – and given their support for provocative sectarian (racist) marches not a good association.

    Owen Goal by shadow Norn Iron Secretary.

  • Moonchkin

    Well looking at that website, complete with Tory logo, it looks certain that this is nothing less than a total absorbing of the UUP into the Tory party identity hook, line and sinker.

    So much for the petty squabble about the word ‘Ulster’ – the end result is that is just a regional branding of the Tories. A bit like… the current NI Conservatives!

    Anyone know of any other party in western europe which had 15% of the vote and which willingly submerged itself into a tiny fringe party with barely 1-2% vote?

    This will all greatly damage Jim Nicholson’s chances – theres not all that much support out there for the Tories, even less than there was for the UUP.

  • Toasted whole wheat flakes!

    High o’er the fence leaps Sunny Jim
    Force is the food that raises him.

    Who needs a logo?

  • ??

    i think the TOries are hoping that JIM Nic bombs at the election, that way they can put it down to the “funny name” confusing voters and press for total takeover.
    Still unsure as how they are going to put this on a ballot paper as they are not a single registered party

  • joeCanuck

    Could be worse. When The Reform Party and the Conservative Party merged in Canada about 8 years ago the name they initially chose was the Conservative Reform Alliance Party. Yep, CRAP.

  • I’m already dreaming up election slogans:

    Don’t Let the Tories Make a CUNF out of U is the favourite at the moment…

  • >(U CUNF)

    And F and T are next to each other on the keyboard.

    The Idiofs 🙂

  • OC

    “Aye, I had already hilighted that last night, but my post was deleted!”

    Typical Slugger favoritism, Greagoir. Looks like Comrade Stalin is the fair-haired one!

  • aunt sally

    Spotted earlier, a wild eyed and uninvited Lord Maginnis loose in the BBC newsroom demanding to get on Talk Back because they were broadcasting ‘shite’ about the unfortunate UCUNF monkier. At his side a sheepish looking David Campbell making petulant comments about paying the journos wages.

    They both appeared oblivious to the fact that Sir Reg and Mark Cosgrove had already been on the programme.

  • iluvni

    Is Cosgrove the future of UCU-nf?
    Listening to his nonsense on TalkBack, I sure hope not.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Greagoir,

    Apologies – I didn’t see your post. In my defence, it looks like a few people have independently arrived at the same conclusion, which means that the new party name will go down a storm with the election.

  • John K Lund

    I had a friend called Charles Rex Alexander Procter who was killed in 1974 he was 34 and telling you this is as much relevance here as all the previous postings on this string.For pity,s sake stop using Acronyms and call them CONSERVATIVES AND UNIONISTS which is what they will be known as.It is easy to see that 70% work for the taxpayer here with all the acronyms being spread around.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Where the hell is Shilliday when you need him ?

  • disinterested observer

    Havign lloked at the website I reckon Conservatives and Unionists is definitely an easier sell than UCUNF

  • Comrade Stalin

    .For pity,s sake stop using Acronyms and call them CONSERVATIVES AND UNIONISTS which is what they will be known as.

    The UUP irritation now that they have discovered their mistake is hilarious. I’m afraid you’re unlikely to get your own way. I thought we’d had the best unionist party name yet with the fUKUP, but with this one, we don’t even need to add a letter to make it sound rude.

    It’s right up with that Tory slogan from the last decade : “Vote Dick – don’t let Labour blow it”.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    To try and be fair to the Ulster National Front what choice do ordinany, decent, secular Prods have. I suppose they could turn to the Alliance Party which their ridiculous postruing over Police and Justice aside are a fairly decent bunch. For more strident Unionists of a secular nature the Ulster National Front is a reasonable home given that Posh Boy David Cameron(PBDC) has to fair introduced far more centrist policies in response to shift in public opinion more to the centre. Also in the current climate Leftwingery will be on the up with the common folk and the uncommon folk of the Tory hierarchy will probably respond to that.

    Prediction: They will stay at 15% in the not-as-occupied-as-they-were-territories of Ulster.

  • pity,s sake stop using Acronyms and call them CONSERVATIVES AND UNIONISTS which is what they will be known as.

    I don’t think you have any choice in that matter, UCUNF.

  • Carson’s Cat

    Please can we open a sweepstake as to when the first newsreader is going to make the obvious tonguetwisting mistake when he/she is trying to say UCUNF sometime….

    Imagine the scene, “And tonight we have Reg Empey, UCUN* regional lackey…..”

    😉

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    To be fair to the Tories in the National Front (Unionist wing) they probbly dont move in the type of circles where the C word is used. These guys just get chaperoned from private shool straight to oxford and then on to the City… but there is no excude for the UU who have been referred to by that term for years by their Unionist brethern in the DUP.

  • picador

    I can just see this on an election hoarding:

    Tories? UUP?

    They’re a right shower of cu…!

  • frustrated democrat

    The Conservatives and Unionists will now be working hard for Jim Nicholson to top the poll and join the largest grouping in Europe.

    The DUP however won’t be so happy this time around with the TUV forcast to take 30-50,000 votes and probably 5-10,000 will leave them for the Conservatives and Unionists. Probably a few from the Alliance and SDLP as well as some votes freed up from Gilliand will go in the same direction.

    So the DUP could get as few as 115 – 120,0000 which would leave the Conservatives and Unionists within striking distance of the DUP. If that is the case it will depend on TUV tranfers who gets elected first.

    Not a happy prospect to consider for the DUP relying on their sworn enemy!

    I now, as usual, expect a rush to tell us why it can never happen and that the Conservatives and Unionists are DOOMED to failure.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Do the other National Front (ie the other right-wing British party) not stand in elections in Norn Iron – this may surely cause some genuine confusion on the ballot paper – both of course do share (to be fair to the Tories a diminishing number)of polices like supporting sectarian marches in Norn Iron.

  • Jack M

    It does indeed seem very strange that they have a new site with a logo saying ‘Conservatives and Unionists’ when they are supposed to be the ‘Ulster Conservatives and Unionists’. The Conservative Party was already fully called the ‘Conservative and Unionist Party’ before the move with the UUP. Calling it ‘Conservatives and Unionists’ gives nothing new in the name from the UUP, and additionally it implies that the Conservative Party weren’t Unionist before their UUP link-up!

    Surely a logo should just say ‘Ulster Conservatives’. This contributes something from the name of each party and sends out a stronger and more confident message of a party that is more on its mind than just the constitutional issue. Surely such a confident move onwards is what we want in a new Northern Ireland?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Jack M

    Whats wong with the National Front of Ulster? No swear words in that.

  • These guys just get chaperoned from private shool straight to oxford and then on to the City

    You’ve led a sheltered life, Other Sammy. Blue language is the norm in private schools, Oxford and most certainly in the City. Don’t for a moment think that Jacob Rees-Mogg is representative of his class. And, remember, a lot of them were in the Army were every other word is, er, the Anglo-Saxon for the most private part of a lady’s anatomy.

    Probably a few from the Alliance and SDLP as well as some votes freed up from Gilliand will go in the same direction.

    You’re not going to pick up any votes from the SDLP. Really. I’m not too sure you’re going to get much change out of us, either, but you’re really not getting anything off the Stoops.

    I now, as usual, expect a rush to tell us why it can never happen and that the Conservatives and Unionists are DOOMED to failure.

    Well, let’s start with the fact that you are deluding yourself about which demographics are actually fertile territory for you…

    Surely a logo should just say ‘Ulster Conservatives’. This contributes something from the name of each party and sends out a stronger and more confident message of a party that is more on its mind than just the constitutional issue.

    A party that has ‘Ulster’ as the first word in its title sends out the message that it is one aimed entirely at attracting people of Unionist views. The whole attracting Catholics bit was never of much interest to the UUs (who knew it was futile) but I actually think the GB Tories are still deluding themselves on this score, and don’t realise that a name like ‘Ulster Conservatives’ is such an inverted dog-whistle.

  • Elvis parker

    Comadre Stalin wasnt the slogan ‘The ladies love Dick’?

  • Jack M

    Sammy,

    A party that has ‘Ulster’ as the first word in its title sends out the message that it is one aimed entirely at attracting people of Unionist views.

    erm… how do you get that? Ulster is a geographical/cultural region which everyone in Northern Ireland should feel comfortable in associating with. On the contrary, having the words ‘Unionists’ in their snappy logo explicitly “sends out the message that it is one aimed entirely at attracting people of Unionist views”.

    This new link up is supposed to be envisioning a new and confident Northern Ireland that has moved on. Northern Irish people who have moved on and agree with such a vision and want to vote for it should be completely secure with each of the British, Irish, and Ulster parts of their identity here.

    The word ‘Ulster’ adds a sense of regionalism and locality to the wider Conservative brand. Unionists do not have the sole claim to the word ‘Ulster’, and likewise, nationalists do not have the sole claim to the word ‘Ireland’. Only the most narrow-minded and short-sighted of people would not see this bigger perspective. Unfortunately, there are al lot of narrow minded and short-sighted people in Northern Ireland…

  • fair_deal

    Interesting clarification over on the Conservatives NI site it seems TWO names have been agreed. A long name UCUNF and a campaigning name Conservatives and Unionists with the Ulster one to “rarely if ever be used”

    “…it has been agreed that the long name is the one that will be registered with the Electoral office but that the short form (campaigning) name will be simply Conservatives and Unionists. So that’s the name that will appear in all election materials, posters etc. The media has latched on to the long form of the name but it will rarely if ever be used.”

    http://conservativesni.net/2009/02/27/conservatives-and-unionists/

  • ??

    it has been agreed that the long name is the one that will be registered with the Electoral office but that the short form

    Surely it isnt a name that is registered but rather a party, are we not being told the whole truth here.

  • It’s long for a party label but short for a suicide note.

    They must have rocks* where their brains should be.

    *polite version

  • frustrated democrat

    Sammy M

    There are good reasons to make those predictions and I can be sure some current Alliance voters will think they have a meaningful party to vote for for the first time in a generation.

  • jone

    Does anyone know what the heated finger-pointing between a UU and CP apparatchik at the launch was all about?

    Also that room they used at the Holiday Inn looked fucking horrible.

  • The word ‘Ulster’ adds a sense of regionalism and locality to the wider Conservative brand. Unionists do not have the sole claim to the word ‘Ulster’, and likewise, nationalists do not have the sole claim to the word ‘Ireland’. Only the most narrow-minded and short-sighted of people would not see this bigger perspective. Unfortunately, there are al lot of narrow minded and short-sighted people in Northern Ireland…

    Then, why not use “Northern Ireland” which is now so universally accepted that even articles ghost-written for Gerry Adams in the Guardian use it? Why use a term that when used in a political context very clearly indicates representation of the Ulster-British section of society, and that alone. It’s fascinating how quickly Cameron’s multi-culti cross-community ideals go out the window when confronted with the reality of Northern Ireland society.

    Call me short-sighted and narrow-minded all you want, but I can still smell bullshit at a hundred paces.

    I can be sure some current Alliance voters will think they have a meaningful party to vote for for the first time in a generation.

    They’ve had the opportunity to vote for the Tories since 1989. They’ve had the opportunity to vote for the UUP since 1905. What makes you think a shotgun marriage between the two makes that prospect any more attractive.

  • I’ve just discovered that some U-CUNF enthusiasts aren’t just convinced they’re going to get lots of Northern Nationalists to vote for the CUNF, but they’re even going to break through south of the border.

    Over at conservativesni.com, Johnny Andrews says:

    Lets aim big and it may be a few years away but it is not inconceivable that the new force may one day stand for election in the other 3 counties of Ulster which the Ulster Unionist Council for pragmatic reasons abandoned in 1921.

    Way to go, Johnny. But why stop at the reconquista of the three occupied counties? Why not start standing candidates in the 23 counties you abandoned in 1905? After all, with the PDs defunct and Fianna Fáil in trouble, there’s a gap on the right of the spectrum for a centre-right force. Soon, the scales will fall from the thick Paddies’ eyes and they’ll realise they were always British all along…

  • autocue

    Anything Johnny Andrews says can be dismissed. It wasn’t that long ago he was penning letters to the papers defending Reg’s abortive marriage to the UVF at Stormont, now suddenly he wants to contest elections in a foreign country.

    I think whats really pissing them all off is that they genuinely thought that they would get a reception in the country akin to the one they get from Chekov over on Three Thousand Versts. Anyone listening to Cosgrove on TalkBack could sense the palpable anger at the voters for this not being the case. He made comments along the lines of “only in Northern Ireland would the unveiling of this new dynamic force in politics be greeted with such cynicism”.

    Also comment from pro-Tory bloggers on this thread “unfortunately we have a lot of small-minded people in Northern Ireland” etc. show that we are not a million miles away from “decent people vote UCUNF” territory.

    The arrogance is still there, even if the name has changed. The DUP and Alliance will be laughing their heads off. Yesterday was supposed to be Reg’s big day and from the moment it started he was on the back foot – “I can’t speak for Sylvia, she can speak for herself” etc. The fact that she has said nothing says more than any press utterance.

    What value there might have been in this project has been utterly lost by Reg’s lamentable handling of it.

  • autocue

    Also, I should say that if I were Lady Hermon, I would be downright offended that Reg and Owen Paterson were using the fact that I had just recently lost my spouse to side-step questions concerning my attitude to the deal. She was at the NI Affairs Committee on Wednesday, cross examining Eames and Bradley over their report. She clearly considers her period of mourning to be over. It is despicable of Empey and Paterson to try and use it to deflect difficult questions.

  • Comrade Stalin

    autocue, succinctly put.

    Sammy etc, I always knew you were a daft CUNF.

  • frustrated democrat

    Autocue

    This is not about anyone person and their views, it is about the decision of two parties to work together.

    It is about changing things in Northern Ireland so that we can move into national politics.

    It is about breaking up the mess that the DUP and SF have got us into with their Politburo activities.

    It is achieving results that are beyond the DUP and SF.

    It is about working for ALL the people of NI.

    If any of that offends you then you don’t have to look far to get offended.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    “frustrated democrat”

    What is completly disingenuous of the Unionist National Front and an example of obvious political opportunism is to start talking of changing something BEFORE it is implemented.

    ..plus the hypocricy to talking of ending tribal poitics while simultaneously backing the Unionist tribe – and hence didiving Ireland further in contravention of the spirit of the GFA.

    If they want an end to tribal politics they should encourage people to vote for the Alliance party whose track record on this is way ahead of the unrefromed sectarianism of the UU.

  • Paddy Matthews

    frustrated democrat:

    The Conservatives and Unionists will now be working hard for Jim Nicholson to top the poll and join the largest grouping in Europe.

    Ehmm, hasn’t Cameron promised that the Conservatives (presumably including their new Northern Ireland subsidiary) will be leaving the EPP-ED group in the European Parliament and shacking up with assorted Central Europeans such as Vaclav Klaus and the Kaczynski twins?

  • bob Wilson

    I think what FD means is joining the largest UK delegation in the Parliament – by current gestimates reckoned to be about 30 MEPs. Nicholson will be able to work with them to defend NI’s interests and of course next year fellow Conservatives and Unionists are likely to form the Govt in the UK giving him more influence than any MEP in Ireland – north or south of the border

  • Paddy Matthews

    bob Wilson (sic) spins:

    I think what FD means is joining the largest UK delegation in the Parliament – by current gestimates reckoned to be about 30 MEPs.

    You might want to inform Jim Nicholson of this:

    “I know from my experience in the European Parliament that one single MEP cannot deliver on their own. That is why I am a member of the largest group in the European Parliament. It is also why in 1999 I allied myself with the Conservative Delegation in the European Parliament. I did this because we ultimately share the same principles and ideals. We want to be in Europe but not run by Europe.”

    Speech by Jim Nicholson MEP to the Ulster Unionist Conference

  • Paddy Matthews

    Sammy Morse:

    Way to go, Johnny. But why stop at the reconquista of the three occupied counties? Why not start standing candidates in the 23 counties you abandoned in 1905? After all, with the PDs defunct and Fianna Fáil in trouble, there’s a gap on the right of the spectrum for a centre-right force. Soon, the scales will fall from the thick Paddies’ eyes and they’ll realise they were always British all along…

    I think Johnny has that angle already covered.

    “Conservatives and Blueshirts”, anyone?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Holy Feck,

    People have looking for a reason that FG have lost their bounce as Labour rise in the polls and this sort of malarkey will be used by their political opponents to explain it. It may be practical it might be enjoyable and ward but is it extremely bad politics. The Tories represent, (perhaps a touch unfailry?) most of what is bad about ‘English’ involvement in Ireland and no amout of softly-softly-touchey-feeley-Posh-Boy-David-Cameron-jibber-jabber is going to shift that mindset anytine soon.

  • inclusive

    Paddy Matthews

    Why not?It looks like a major realignment is going on down south,Who knows what this recession will bring,there are already big political changes going on all over Europe?The recent draconian budget in the south shows the limited rooom for manoevre available to the Irish Government with its inabilty to devalue the only option is draconian spending cuts.The celtic tiger is struggling.De Valera’s crusade to create a catholic state is long over thanks to the EU and the PDs and their liberalizing influence on the Irish state.Culturally the two parts of Ireland are converging and are now more inclusive less divided.While it is unlikely the new force could operate at the moment in the South there may be an opening for a new centre /right non-sectarian force ( not based on old civil war divisions)to open up real politics in the south as the Irish return home to the ideas of inclusiveness ,tolerance and openness.They are returning to the ideals of Pitt in his original concept of the Union which was a union of peoples in a multi cultural,open and tolerant society.This is what the unionism is about and often forgotten here and in GB.It is a union of self respecting peoples from the highlands and islands of Scotland to the Cornish Welsh and Northern Irish and now including many other ethnic minorities .

  • ??

    The UUP + Tories can even agree on a name, logo or website, i think this must be the shortest marriage ever.

    Even their tie up with the UVF lasted longer

    Can anyone confirm the rumours that a group of MLAs are heading to see Reg in the morning over the tie up????

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    inclusive

    Why ever stop with Ireland ? Surely those former British territories that refer to themseslves as the USA and many of those others who disgracefully forced the British out of their own countries such as the Indians could all be welcomed back into the fold? Unionism after all is simply imperialsim closer to home.

  • John K Lund

    Lord Frederick Cavendish is said to have pronouced Ireland as the World’s largest open air lunatic asylumn this was before his murder in Phoenix Park. I fear that alas he might still be correct.

  • Autocue

    John Lund

    Obviously anyone who isn’t enthused by the UCUNF is a lunatic….”decent people…..”

    Keep em coming John!

  • If they want an end to tribal politics they should encourage people to vote for the Alliance party whose track record on this is way ahead of the unrefromed sectarianism of the UU.

    Other Sammy – they already are. Just not intentionally.

    there may be an opening for a new centre /right non-sectarian force ( not based on old civil war divisions)to open up real politics in the south as the Irish return home to the ideas of inclusiveness ,tolerance and openness.They are returning to the ideals of Pitt in his original concept of the Union which was a union of peoples in a multi cultural,open and tolerant society

    People in the Republic are going to vote for the British Conservative Party because Fianna Fáil screwed up the economy and Pitt the Younger tried (but failed) to deliver Catholic emancipation in 1801.

    Sorry for the swearing, but seriously, like, what the fuck?

  • Paddy Matthews

    Sammy (Morse):

    People in the Republic are going to vote for the British Conservative Party because Fianna Fáil screwed up the economy and Pitt the Younger tried (but failed) to deliver Catholic emancipation in 1801.

    Sorry for the swearing, but seriously, like, what the fuck?

    You’re dealing with people who have bucketfuls of arrogance but not even a thimbleful of cop-on.

  • ??

    is it correct there are 10 uup mlas ready to dump the tories over the absence of the UUP Logo on campaign material?

  • 808

    great blog great coments!!
    respect from odessa!!