Policing the community..

It’s not just in Belfast and in Londonderry where there’s evidence of self-appointed vigilantees/mob rule/attempts to exercise control. In Ballymena today, according to the BBC report

At about 1350 GMT on Saturday, a crowd, including a number of men with sticks and other weapons, gathered in Sandown Park in the Doury Road estate. A man in his 20s was assaulted in a flat and is believed to have suffered a broken arm. A nearby flat was also set alight and a car badly damaged.

As for ubiquitous ‘community’ workers’ offers to talk to those responsible.. [Are the police continuing to liaise with those community ‘leaders’? – Ed] Probably.. Adds Five arrested in Ballymena.

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  • Dec

    Seamus Heaney, a community worker from Creggan, helped organise a vigil and petition last summer calling for dissidents to end their violence.

    “The only way forward is through dialogue, so there have to be channels opened up and certainly myself and other people in the community have made that offer,” he said.

    “The appeal would be to the rationale – where is this taking us? Violence has been shown not to work.”

    And your problem with this is what exactly?

  • Pete Baker

    Didn’t you get the memo, Dec?

    Mr McGuinness said there was “no justification for this act”.

    “These people must be stopped and I would urge anyone with information to bring it to the police,” he said.

  • Mark McGregor

    Did I miss something? I can’t see anything in the links to support the assumptions being presented about possible reasons behind this attack.

    Pushing the round peg into a square (or unknown shpaed) hole to fit a favoured theory?

    And you complain about others ‘futuring’ Pete. tsk

  • cynic

    Was that a McCartney ‘bring it to the Police’ or a real one?

  • Pete Baker

    “possible reasons behind this attack”

    Mark

    What part of “evidence of self-appointed vigilantees/mob rule/attempts to exercise control” don’t you understand?

  • dunreavynomore

    dec

    “…violence has been shown not to work…”, these words you quote from Seamus Heaney, a community worker, make me wonder what is the stance of these ‘community workers’ to commemorations for those who engaged in ‘violence ‘in the past. Does he or do they believe that the commemorations should continue and use the dead as a lesson to the futility of violence which would be logical if his stance is honest? Perhaps they believe that commemorating combatants in a positive way is glorifying violence and therefore wrong or perhaps they are only anti violence that the provos do not control. Have you given any thought to such questions yourself?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Pete, why do insists on calling Derry – “Londonderry” when the vast majority of the citizens are insulted by this title because of its association with the planned ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population.

  • NCM

    Yeah, but this could just be a case of a guy who shouldn’t have wronged a woman who has 3 big, mean older brothers, each of whom have equally big and mean buddies.

    Or these weren’t vigilantes but a group of street criminals causing trouble.

  • Mark McGregor

    Pete,

    The bit I don’t understand is where you got the theory on vigilantees etc from.

    Unless you aren’t sharing something you are privy to, there is nothing in the report to suggest that and the other things you are linking in as possibly connected.

    You are assuming or futuring on the nature of this attack and then connecting it to other issues that may or may not be similar.

    Surprised you can’t see this. Maybe a reread without the glasses of assumption and themed theorising may be in order?

  • dundela1

    Get the PSNI/RUC to do their job and the DIY stuff will end

  • Dec

    Didn’t you get the memo, Dec?

    All us fenians aren’t on the same global address list Pete, just so you know. Though I notice your failure to answer my question.

  • LURIG

    Of course the self appointed vigilante stuff is not ideal but you have to understand that a lot of residents in these areas really are desperate. North & West Belfast especially are total shitholes to live in for many of the inhabitants. If it’s not the local drug dealers torturing them it the barcode moustache brigade who rob, assault, drink and abuse people to their hearts content. Then the good folk have to live among the ‘world owes me a living’ element who sleep all day and party all night while claiming every state benefit going. The crowd who contribute absolutely nothing but misery and who hold the hand out for everything they can get. The decent people rarely see police on the ground so when one of these hoods gets a kicking most residents look away and shrug their shoulders. It’s the law of the jungle and that’s just the way it is. I lose NO sleep whatsoever when it happens, what goes around comes around and life will eventually bite you on the arse if you keep giving it out to others.

  • TBLA?

    The scumbags who are dealt street justice in these ‘shitholes’ can earn the equivalent of two summer holidays this year. They can recuperate safe knowing that they will get the DLA (daily liquor allowance) and never have to do a days work ever again…did I mention the DLA motor??

    Punishment beatings, whether domestic or vigilante, serve little purpose because the victims are often habitual. The physical scars are badges of respect among certain types in the ghetto. The loss of a leg doesn’t stop ’em either

  • TBLA?

    The scumbags who are dealt street justice in these ‘shitholes’ can earn the equivalent of two summer holidays this year. They can recuperate safe knowing that they will get the DLA (daily liquor allowance) and never have to do a days work ever again…did I mention the DLA motor??

    Punishment beatings, whether domestic or vigilante, serve little purpose because the victims are often habitual. The physical scars are badges of respect among certain types in the ghetto. The loss of a leg doesn’t stop ’em either

  • TBLA?

    sorry about the echo. I should keep my voice down.

  • jone

    Pete, if I take a wild guess that you’re implying some sort of paramilitary involvement then you’re up the wrong tree.

    This is to do with the fact that a guy called Rab Rainey died from an OD. This was associates of Rab’s doing a bit of wrecking in revenge.

  • Pete, not all attacks make it into the mainstream media. There’s a report that this victim was held at gunpoint whilst his car was trashed.

    Presumably the police are still restricted by the ‘not ruffling paramilitary feathers’ policy adopted by London and Dublin many years ago ie some paramilitary wrongdoing could be observed but intervention required political clearance. I should imagine that ‘friends of the peace process’ would have been given immunity cards.

  • cynic

    So he ODs himself and then his friends ‘take revenge’?

    What for? Selling drugs that were too good? If we go down to Tesco’s and find that the beef is extra high quality do we burn the store down?

    What a culture

  • veritas

    If the police are incapable or refuse to effectively do their job, continue to protect low level informers, is it any wonder that communities tortured by these thugs, crack and take the law into their own hands….

    Whats sickening is the hypocrisy of SF….they helped create this situation and now they have feathered their numerous nests, they step aside and don`t gave a ****

    They`ll get a shock come the next election…

  • NCM

    Well, all’s well that ends well, I guess…