I was a teenage Tankie*.

While some have been complaining about an old photoshop of Gregory Campell as a Nazi on the Ogra Shinn Fein blog, my mind is drawn back to the young person who fought against criticism of Stalin on the site with this piece of pure bullshit Tankieism.

*If you don’t get the ‘Tankie’ reference, get googling.

  • CS Parnell

    As “Madam Mao” DeBruin and Mary Lou sit with the Tankies in the European Parliament the defender of Stalin is closer to the real politics of SF than many in that party would ever dare to admit outside a few parts of Belfast and Dublin.

    Once again – another irony is that the Sticks were Stalinists who meant it and had the brains to understand it. The Provies are just shit at it (as will be demonstrated by the first one to come on here and start denouncing me for saying this).

  • Pancho’s Horse

    It doesn’t augur well when you can’t even the lovely Bairbre’s name correctly.I denounce your foul lie. The Officials were Marxist-Leninist.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Please insert ‘spell’

  • Rory Carr

    Having read the link to the thread on the Ogra Shinn Fein blog I am quite sure that Daithi O’Byrne would be well able to quietly demolish all the vituperative venom void of any argumentative value, if not of viciousness, so far expressed in the original post and in comments so far following (if you will indulge my momentary alliterative mood).

    This emotional confusion that allows for resentment at some perceived direct association between the gullibility of elements of SF to the dilletante crude Marxism of the wannabe revolutionary political parachutist (and fully self-aggrandised), Roy Johnston, with the, by then dead, leader of the Soviet Union might serve for grand student union bar slagging matches but it does nothing to serve informed debate. The proof of that pudding lies in the responses on the OSF site to O’Byrne and is reinforced by Mark McGregor’s ungenerous introduction above and the hoo-hoo hooting that has since followed.

    What has so far been demonstrated is all the bloody objectivity and appalled horror of Man U supporters faced with the cosmic unfairness of a defeat by Arsenal.

  • Rory Carr

    p.s. This came in as I was in the process of responding:

    “The Officials were Marxist-Leninist.”

    Of course they were, Pancho’s Horse, or at least those who had been convinced or worse yet, convinced themselves, that this was “a good thing” to appear to be.

    An ugly duckling may yet prove to a swan but a mule may never be a horse.

  • CS Parnell

    There’s always one.

    Well done Rory.

    So are you BICO or a PDer?

    One can never tell.

  • BrokeDick

    I say good on young Daithi. Surely if he can do this for Stalin, one wonders what he could do for Thatcher!

    Was it all because someone told him Conquest was a Brit?

  • Is this for real?


    That “wee squirt” was born in Georgia and democratically elected General Secretary of the CPSU, a position that had less power than the current US President or indeed Free State President. This is fact. Stalin was no dictator. He represented the CPSU; they made the decisions as a party, not based on one man, Stalin (that would be a dictatorship I believe).

    Absolutely, the General Secretary of the CPSU has more power than An Uachtarán. Which is why we still live with the terrible legacy of the hundreds of thousands killed in the great purges of Erskine Childers. You see, like Stalin, Childers came from a minority group and therefore, like Stalin, had to demonstrate his commitment to the state by outdoing others in their zealousness.

    Also, Stalingrad was not merely a namesake

    We’re not talking about Stalingrad, you silly boy, where Stalin exploited Hitler’s folly ruthlessly and at terrible cost, but effectively and thanks to the Stavka, brilliantly. We’re talking about Kolyma, Vorkhuta, Sokolov and a thousand and one other places you seem to have forgotten about. The Purges occurred during the leadership of Stalin. The Gulag system was effectively created by Stalin and effectively disbanded within two years of his death.

    And then the little twat has the unmitigated gall to cite Ludo Martens as a serious historical reference on the history of the Gulag. Martens knows his stuff on Central Africa alright, but “Another View of Stalin” was a piece of polemic written expressly, openly and honestly to defend Stalin, which Martens saw as a necessary part of defending Socialism, regardless of the facts.

  • Gregory

    “Also, Stalingrad was not merely a namesake; it was an important and strategic point in the war, to protect the vast oilfields beyond the Volga and the North Caucasus.”

    Stalingrad was a sustainable loss for the Germans, ego-deflating but sustainable.

    Capturing an oilfield isn’t much use, if the Soviets could do anything, they knew how to demolish things.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1944_july_17_moscow_german_pow.jpg

    That ( 4th Army) is the kind of defeat that even Napoleon couldn’t bounce back from.

    La Grande Armée, only had to do Armageddon once, the German military, were going to have to do it at least twice,

    Gregory

  • Rory Carr

    Me, CS Parnell, a ‘tankie’ or a ‘PD’er! Shudder!

    God save us all! I’d sooner drink prussic acid or preach Baptism to a tribe of hungry cannibals.

  • Rory Carr

    This from an admiring Guardian Profile by Andrew Brown:

    Tatiana Mihailova became his second wife. At the end of the war, he was demobilised in place and became the press officer at the British embassy in Sofia, where he watched the communists overthrow the democracy they had promised and replace it with a Stalinist occupation. In 1948 he moved back to London, after helping Tatiana to escape from the purges:

    “I had to marry her after that. She had no one else. The immediate result was that I was absolutely broke.” He took a job in the Foreign Office’s fairly secret Information Research Department, dedicated to combatting Soviet propaganda, and increasingly pursuing an anti-communist agenda of its own, fostering relationships with journalists, trade unions and other organisations.

    the final sentence of which might have given “young Daithi”, as Brokedick would have him, reason other than the small matter of Conquest’s Britishness to be suspicious of his objectivity on the Soviet Union.

  • Stalingrad was a sustainable loss for the Germans, ego-deflating but sustainable.

    Sure, Gregory, losing the Sixth Army was no big deal for a Germany army already facing a massive manpower deficit against the Soviets. No big deal at all. 🙄

  • autocue

    I suggest the young Shinners take a wee gander at “The Gulag Archipeligo” before further comment on Stalin…..

  • Gregory

    “Sure, Gregory, losing the Sixth Army was no big deal for a Germany army already facing a massive manpower deficit against the Soviets. No big deal at all. :roll:”

    The Soviet Union as a proposition was going to be difficult,

    Hitler lost all his exotic imports via the TSR, 250,000 tons of material at the point of invasion, he had armies elsewhere on holding operations.

    When Heeresgruppe Mitte was destroyed, that was a unmitigated disaster and the shock lasted until the 1960s, it was the greatest German defeat of the entire war.

    There could be no riposte,

    however the Germans simply named other forces ‘Army Group Centre’ and kept fighting, the remnants of the original Heeresgruppe Mitte ended up in Konigsberg.

    Stalingrad was Army Group B the sister grouping to Army Group A both formed from Army Group South.

    So the Germans kept fighting ( with remarkable success) despite two of the three great formations being obliterated and the third one being incapacitated in the Ukraine.

    The point I was making, was that Staingrad was very bad news, but that total Armageddon also had to be faced and survived.

    Hitler still launched two major offensives, after all of this.

    And, they kept fighting after their major oilfields in Romania were captured.

    There is therefore an argument, that if they had a sensible leader, they could have won, or ( and equally) if that leader existed, they wouldn’t have invaded.

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    The survivors of Army Group Centre became Army Group North (in Konigsberg), and the survivors of Army Group North, migrated from the gates of Leningrad to become Army Group Courland in the Baltic.

    Army group A became the new Army Group Centre until the end.

    (this bit from wiki)

    On 4 April 1944, Army Group South was re-designated Army Group North Ukraine. Army Group North Ukraine existed from 4 April to 28 September.
    In September 1944, Army Group South Ukraine was again re-designated Army Group South.

    Which as you can see Army Group South had its own problems.