British tortured Obama’s grandfather

A report in the Times has President-elect Barack Obama’s relatives detailing some of the abuse his grandfather received at the hands of the British in Kenya.

He said they would sometimes squeeze his testicles with parallel metallic rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together with his head facing down,” she said The alleged torture was said to have left Mr Onyango permanently scarred, and bitterly antiBritish. “That was the time we realised that the British were actually not friends but, instead, enemies,” Mrs Onyango said. “My husband had worked so diligently for them, only to be arrested and detained.”

  • Plastic Paddy

    And that was on his Kenyan side, they should ask about his Irish side.

    (That was intended as humour, folks.)

  • Shirley McGuffin

    If his grand pappy was a terrorist, he deserved it.

  • blinding

    Was that during one of those british wars for/against(you decide) freedom and justice.

  • PaddyReilly

    Oh dear poor Britain. However, in defence of this sceptred isle, I should point out that due to President O’Bama’s father’s prolific and fecund curricular and extra-curricular activities, the President has a brother in London and another, a Muslim, in Bracknell. So bear in mind that Britain 2009 is not the same conglomeration of people as the Britain of the 1950s.

  • Dewi

    “President has a brother in London and another, a Muslim, in Bracknell”

    …and one in China
    NYT
    You Tube

  • And it matters why that his brother is a muslim? I find it strange you felt no need to mention the London brother religious affiliation, yet tell us the other chap is a muslim, so what, so are billions of other people around the world, it is no big deal, surely?

  • PaddyReilly

    As the tenor of the comment is commending Britain’s welcoming attitude to foreign chappies (not actually in torturing mode now) I suppose the point of mentioning the Muslim bit is that it advances this thesis.

  • Greenflag

    What’s Mrs Onyango complaining about ? They killed mine -mind you it took 27 bullets 🙁

    Still must’nt bear a grudge – these things will happen when the politicians fail 🙁

  • Casual Reader

    Hmmm … I must admit that the “Poppy Day” festivities went over my head … being more one to mark Armistice Day, myself … but I am interested to learn from the way Britain honours someone that has laid his life down in the service of Britain’s armed forces.

    “Squeeze his testicles with parallel metallic rods”?

    “Pierce his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin”?

    Hmmm … the ways of the Britisher are mysterious indeed.

    “If his grand pappy was a terrorist, he deserved it.”

    Terrorist? Yes. His grandfather served with the British Army.

  • ulsterfan

    Is it safe to believe everything which is written.
    Perhaps a more detailed statement could be given telling us where, when and why these alleged occurrences took place.
    More proof and less allegations please.

  • Baz está fresco em Vermont

    It is impossible to fire a cruise missile at any part of the globe without endangering a relative of the President Elect.

  • Munster Republic

    UlsterFan

    Are you still looking for more proof on Derry’s ‘Blood Sunday’ as well or are the coffins not enough. Typical British justice, next they will be incarcerating people with out trial?

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘As the tenor of the comment is commending Britain’s welcoming attitude to foreign chappies (not actually in torturing mode now) I suppose the point of mentioning the Muslim bit is that it advances this thesis.’

    Are there no British born Muslims?

  • PaddyReilly

    It is impossible to fire a cruise missile at any part of the globe without endangering a relative of the President Elect.

    Tank Gawd we’re safe then! For the first time since the H Bomb was the invented the Prez of the U of S has a valid motive for not wanting to nuke the Chinks, Brits etc.

    Mind you, maybe he hates his relations. Many people do.

  • catchagrip

    [Moderator, play the ball or stay off the thread]

  • PaddyReilly

    Are there no British born Muslims?

    The Islamic creed is not native to the Island of Albion. There have though been converts, such as Imam Marmaduke Pickthall.

    It would be technically possible to get a woman to give birth on the Moon, but her offspring would still be Earthlings.

  • catchagrip

    hello moderator, whoever you are. Why did you remove my post? The thread is about British torture methods – what’s wrong with asking about torture methods employed by those who are bitterly anti-British

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘The Islamic creed is not native to the Island of Albion.’

    Neither is Christianity.

  • PaddyReilly

    Neither is Christianity.

    Since St Alban’s time it has, shall we say, become acclimatised, as have certain originally foreign species of animal, such as the rabbit and the rat, which to this day is referred as Franncach in Irish, signifying its French or foreign origin.

    However more exotic breeds such as the wallaby and the green parrot have not yet made it into the text books of British Flora and Fauna. There are British born wallabies: there is a even a flock of them running wild in East Anglia, I believe: but they will have to demonstrate that they are able to survive long term in the bleak Up Over before they are accepted as British beasts.

    There is a colony of Green Parrots on Hampstead Heath, but they are not yet considered British Birds. In fact, it’s so parky tonight that this may well cause them to breathe their last on British soil, going the same way as such exotica as the Pilibín Antarctach and the Galway Parakeet.

  • RepublicanStones

    Lovely and eloquent Paddy, but you used the term ‘native’, so eloquence isn’t a time machine, but how about cutting to the chase and say what you want to…

    ‘All muslims are foreigners and I don’t think the religion has a future in this part of the world.’

    Feel free to correct me if i have picked up your Wildean rhetoric wrong.

  • PaddyReilly

    All muslims are foreigners and I don’t think the religion has a future in this part of the world.

    Well my sister’s friend married a Turk. She has two daughters. I noticed that on her Facebook page, one of them for her religion put ‘Pastafarian’, the other ‘religion is poo’.

    My mother’s cousin married a Lebanese. She was Church of Ireland, he was Muslim. They have three grandchildren, all of them Catholic.

    So my experience is that Islam, unless constantly kept alive by reinforcements from abroad, tends to die out on British soil. It is a bit too demanding a creed do you see.

    In Egypt, under constant bombardment from muezzin and azan, one tends to remember that one is meant to pray. Indeed even if one isn’t a Muslim, one gets woken up just the same, and thus forced to participate in a certain sense.

    As for Mr Obama of Bracknell, I doubt that his grandchildren will pay much attention to this Allah business. If they are not absorbed into general English religiosity or lack of the same, they will take up with something like Rastafarianism which suits their perceived ethnicity. The Grand Mufti of Wokingham will have to look for alternative sources of income.

    Mind you, the occasional stoning or beheading would not go amiss in backwaters like Bracknell. I’m heartily sick of car boot sales I can tell you.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘It is a bit too demanding a creed do you see.’

    Right so your personal aquaintance with Islam is representative of it as a whole. Well tell me, considering I have relatives who are Shia, one who currently lives in Tehran, vists Ireland as much as she likes, wears a hijab, and is free to choose to do so, perhaps islam is no more demanding than that other non-indigenous religion Christianity. Perhaps your being disingenuous by ignoring the fact that like other monothestic religions there are many interpretations of Islam. Of course, this is only my experience, I couldn’t possibly comment on the religion as a whole.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘under constant bombardment from muezzin and azan’

    5 times a day is ‘constant bombardment’ is it?

    Nice language.

    Thank God we Christians never use anything to call people to prayer…ohh wait !!!

  • PaddyReilly

    5 times a day is ‘constant bombardment’ is it?

    Slightly more than the average inhabitent of Bracknell is going to put up with.

    I have relatives who are Shia, one who currently lives in Tehran, vists Ireland as much as she likes, wears a hijab, and is free to choose to do so, perhaps islam is no more demanding than that other non-indigenous religion Christianity

    Perhaps you’d like to tell us about the freedoms enjoyed by the Anglicans and Baha’is in Iran? Your cousins the Shi’tes have been sorely defamed by members of these creeds in England. I know at least two who assert that their closest relatives were murdered by Muslims for professing their alien religion.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Perhaps you’d like to tell us about the freedoms enjoyed by the Anglicans and Baha’is in Iran?’

    Why, I wasn’t aware my cousin was responsible for the Ayatollahs ramblings.

    ‘Your cousins the Shi’tes have been sorely defamed by members of these creeds in England.’

    Wow, big brush you have there to tar a whole religious denomination with. I suppose it would be fair for the palestinians to tar the whole of christianity with supporting zionism or the war in Iraq.

    ‘I know at least two who assert that their closest relatives were murdered by Muslims for professing their alien religion.’

    Really, I suppose no muslims have never been murdered because they refer to god as Allah.

  • PaddyReilly

    Perhaps you’re being disingenuous by ignoring the fact that like other monothestic religions there are many interpretations of Islam.

    Well I was very favourably impressed by the Ismailis when I visited them. They are a form of Shia you know. They went on a bit too much grovelling to the Agha Khan though for my tastes. The trouble is the other Muslims were not impressed. Which seems to be why Ismailis want to get out of Muslim countries.

  • PaddyReilly

    I suppose it would be fair for the palestinians to tar the whole of christianity with supporting zionism or the war in Iraq.

    Funny you should mention that, my cousin’s adopted family were murdered by a Palestianian who had no known casus belli against them except that they were Americans. But this act, in all fairness, was political, not religious.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Well I was very favourably impressed by the Ismailis when I visited them’

    You went to visit Seveners? or just happened to bump into some?

    ‘Which seems to be why Ismailis want to get out of Muslim countries.’

    All Ismailis wish to emigrate?

    ‘But this act, in all fairness, was political, not religious.’

    But the USA’s support for zionism is both.

  • PaddyReilly

    Ismailis: yes they have an open day and show around anyone who cares to enquire. This is sometimes spoilt by the people of the Sunnah voicing their disapproval.

    I don’t know of any in Muslim controlled countries. Maybe they are just keeping quiet. They all seem to have lived in India or Kenya.

    His Holiness the Agha Khan (2:1 favourite) has a policy that they should all learn English and emigrate, I believe.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘I don’t know of any in Muslim controlled countries.’

    Really? Well considering there are several different branches of ismailis, and its thought Ismailis are the second largest Shia denomination, I think its safe to say there are plenty in muslim controlled countries.

    ‘They all seem to have lived in India or Kenya.’

    So there were/are none in Eygpt, or Yemen or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

  • fionn

    paddyreilly

    “Well my sister’s friend married a Turk. She has two daughters. I noticed that on her Facebook page, one of them for her religion put ‘Pastafarian’, the other ‘religion is poo’.”

    and? …

    My Mother, a Catholic, married my Father, a Catholic. I was brought up a Catholic, in a majority Catholic country.

    I have ‘Pastafarian’ on my Facebook page.

    ..your point is?

  • PaddyReilly

    your point is?

    The point being made is that Islam has not, in these cases, succeeded in establishing itself on British soil, given the strong competition from native creeds such as pastafarianism

  • PaddyReilly

    My Mother, a Catholic, married my Father, a Catholic. I was brought up a Catholic, in a majority Catholic country.

    I have ‘Pastafarian’ on my Facebook page.

    Well then, I can only express the hope that you will, in the fullness of time, acquire sufficient creativity to be able to formulate your own jokes.

  • Dewi

    Strangely enough just read “From the Holy Mountain” by William Dalrymple.
    Wonderful book exploring the remanants of Byzantine Christianity still existing in the near and Mid-East – Highly recommended.

  • PaddyReilly

    Not very optimistic about Middle Eastern Christianity is it though, Dewi?

  • Dewi

    “Not very optimistic about Middle Eastern Christianity is it though, Dewi?”

    Absolutely not Paddy – I was just astonished at the surviving extent in Egypt, Syria and Palestine especially. Didn’t know a lot about Byzantium before to be honest.

  • Dan’s Breen Revolver

    In Iraq being Christian can get your head blown off.

  • Dewi

    “In Iraq being Christian can get your head blown off”

    Yap – as can a lot of things….Syria, however, astonishingly enough pretty tolerant.

  • manichaeism

    Being a Christian can get your head blown off in Northern Ireland. At least it could up to not so long ago!

  • heck

    sorry to bring you guys back to the subject of this post “British tortured Obama’s grandfather

    it this is the case that this happened in the 50’s then some of the torturers are probably alive and living in England. Why is ‘nt the government prosecuting these people and putting them in jail? If we can go back 20 years to get iraqii war criminals why not 40-50 years to get British ones?

  • Shirley McGuffin

    “Why is ‘nt the government prosecuting these people and putting them in jail? If we can go back 20 years to get iraqii war criminals why not 40-50 years to get British”

    Because they put good Ulstermen inside instead. Others, like C Company, have to flee. Skelly looked well on Danny Dyer’s Britain’s Most Dangerous but why are the real villains of Enniskillen, Omagh, Bloody Friday, La Mon etc out on instead?

  • Modernist

    it this is the case that this happened in the 50’s then some of the torturers are probably alive and living in England. Why is ‘nt the government prosecuting these people and putting them in jail? If we can go back 20 years to get iraqii war criminals why not 40-50 years to get British ones?

    Posted by heck on Dec 08, 2008 @ 01:19 PM

    Heck its just like many people say there are good paramilitaries (our side) and there are bad paramilitaries (themmuns) so too there are war ciminals and valiant war heroes