Will you be having ‘soup’ for starters?

Sorry, I just could not resist it. Gary‘s picked up what is no doubt a well intentioned, but unfortunately named Presbyterian Youth conference. Spud is an attempt by the Presbyterian church in Ireland to reach out and give its young people a say in Church affairs, which is just the kind of good stuff you’d expect from Ireland’s original democrats… Until you come to the poster, and the strapline they’ve chosen… “The Famine is over”… We’re pretty sure we know what they meant… but others of a less charitable mien might just chose to construe it differently

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  • Dewi

    Even “Spud” is astonishing. Idiots.

  • pith

    This is disgraceful. How far does one have to drive one’s 4×4 to be offended these days? They’ll be making light of the time they ran out of polenta in Deane’s next.

  • Big Maggie

    Mick

    We’re pretty sure we know what they meant…

    Pray enlighten me. What did they mean, Ethiopia?

  • 6countyprod

    I checked out the ‘Spud’ web pages and video and it is obvious that these kids are not still living in the 1840’s. They are living in 2008 and they are not constantly looking over their shoulders concerned about the historical baggage that other people still love to carry. They are interested in today, and the future. Veggie Tales rules!

    Go away and leave them alone, ya pathetic bunch of old frost-bitten whingers!

  • Big Maggie

    6countyprod

    So they DID mean Ethiopia then?

  • Mick

    6, I was in 2 minds whether 2 blog it or not because of just such a seemingly inevitable lack of sympathy.

  • Dewi

    “it is obvious that these kids are not still living in the 1840’s.”

    Yeah right. As everyone there remembers everything for the last 600 years do you reckon they didn’t understand the significance of the slogans?

  • Big Maggie

    Mick

    a seemingly inevitable lack of sympathy

    For the thousands who died from lack of a Spud?

  • Mick Fealty

    BM,

    Sufficient not to jump to the obvious conclusion and to do a little digging/thinking for themselves…

  • 6countyprod

    Now who is making a mockery? It’s nothing to joke about.

    Inept, insensitive and callous Brits allowed an absolute tragedy to develop on the island. But some of the Irish reaction to this horrific event is as ludicrous as the hysterical claims by Rev Wright that whites created AIDS to destroy blacks.

    Time to move on. Constantly harping on about the past is not going to change anything.

  • 6countyprod

    But, then again, if people stopped whining about the past then half of Slugger’s commentors would have nothing to do with their lives. (slight hyperbole)

  • Big Maggie

    Mick

    Sufficient not to jump to the obvious conclusion and to do a little digging/thinking for themselves…

    Oh please. Now you’re insulting my intelligence and that of many here.

    Spud? Oh yeah, ha ha. We’re Irish and Presbyterian, nice joke eh lads? Now let’s see how far we can run with this. What does spud suggest in an Irish context? Let’s see… no spuds… Oh yeah I’ve got it: Famine. The Famine is Over! Fuck me, hilarious. Come back, Frank Carson, all is forgiven.

    Face it, Mick. It’s crass and insensitive.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    ah, but everything would be ‘Hunky Dory’ if it was the kids from the Catholic church of Ireland making the famine connection. You see the Proddies didn’t starve, the Prods were the ones doing the starving and exchanging soup for Catholic souls (so we’re told). That’s the real issue why people get so uptight about any reference to the famine today, they think Prods have no ownership of the suffering.

  • Big Maggie

    ah, but everything would be ‘Hunky Dory’ if it was the kids from the Catholic church of Ireland making the famine connection

    No, it would be equally crass and insensitive.

  • George

    UMH,
    I suppose it’s for Protestants to decide whether they have ownership of the suffering. How many Protestant Famine mass graves are there?

    If they do exist maybe someone could start highlighting them because you only have to pop on to any loyalist/unionist forum to find countless jibes about the starving Irish.

    From what I can see Protestants don’t see it as their tragedy and even worse the lunatic unionist fringe happily gloat in the fact that it was a million Catholics who died.

  • Mark McGregor

    Disclaimer – any similarity to vegetables living or dead should be considered purely coincidental and hilarious.

    The whole thing just goes to show that Presbyterian youth can be as moronic and stupid as youth in general.

  • Mick Fealty

    My own thoughts on the matter to Mark…

    George,

    You should get north more often. We didn’t suffer like the south and west (my own folk in Donegal got off even more lightly) but if the cholera carried off thousands in Belfast alone…

  • Reader

    George: From what I can see Protestants don’t see it as their tragedy
    We have this in common: Your ancestors ate while their neighbours starved, and my ancestors ate while their neighbours starved. Otherwise we wouldn’t both be here.
    Maybe our two cultures manifest survivor-guilt in different ways?

  • Big Maggie

    Mark

    any similarity to vegetables living or dead

    Now if you were a real Irishman you’d know that the spud isn’t a vegetable but a tubercolossus.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Anyone see the docu/drama last Tuesday night on RTE1 about a Protestant/Presbyterian family named Willis from Galway who in the Great Famine stricken times of 1847 were forced to leave for Canada, losing a child to fever on the ‘coffin’ ship and another on arrival.

    Twasn’t only the papist paddies that died in the Great Famine, for there was quite a significant number of prod paddies too who fell victim to the great leveller too! All denied today of course!

  • frustrated democrat

    It is good to see MOPE’s are alive and well.

  • George

    Mick,
    I’m not trying to pass a judgment on levels of suffering just wondering about different attitudes towards ownership of it.

    Reader,
    It is interesting that the Famine was a much greater issue among the Irish emigrants to the US and Canada while back in Ireland it was, for all intents and purposes, swept under the carpet.

    That could be to do with “survivor guilt” but is that “guilt” in 2008 different in Protestant Ireland or is it merely that Catholic Ireland is the first of the “traditions” that is slowly beginning to come to terms with the tragedy?

    PS: I know we have unionists who use it as a tool to gloat over the “Oirish” while we have nationalists who use it as a stick to beat the dastardly “Onionists” but I’m ignoring those lobbies.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    As a minimum,it shows how historically ignorant and/or mind-numbingly tone-deaf they are politically, Mick. They should have seen this one coming a mile away.

    Playing cute is one thing, but this t’would appear to be a deliberate thumb in the eye.

  • Reader

    George: but is that “guilt” in 2008 different in Protestant Ireland or is it merely that Catholic Ireland is the first of the “traditions” that is slowly beginning to come to terms with the tragedy?
    Don’t worry – survivor ‘guilt’ isn’t real guilt – it’s a reaction. And at this distance it is just an echo. And of course, as Thatcher pointed out, our real responsibility is to our family, and we are here because our ancestors agreed.
    But, ignoring the nutcases and nastiness you mentioned from both sides, I would say that my tradition came to terms with the tragedy well over a century ago, and we are waiting for your lot to catch up.

  • Driftwood

    from their website:

    By coming together and sharing views on a number of issues, we can influence the decision making process and play a part in moving the church forward in the 21st century.

    What? How about abandoning 17th century dogma for a start. Then they could always form a mutual savings society to help them along.

  • shouldnt ?

    Shouldnt you lot be more worried about the kiddiefiddling priests ??? like this happened hundreds of years ago…let bygones be bygones….it was a nature taking its course (unless the brits did really have biological weapons centuries ago) and im sure like all tales of old has been somewhat exagerated too no doubt. Its 2008 …like does anyone *really* care about this shit anymore ???? “Big Maggie” – why do you rant do much, you have teh e-rage, by the sound of your name you aint short of stuffing your face with a spud or too?

  • Alex

    http://books.google.ie/books?id=veXioaeqQbQC&printsec=frontcover&dq;=“the+hidden+famine”&client=firefox-a#PPA2,M1

    The answer is one page one