Slugger’s Daily Blogburst…

Kicking off late because of the PBR, Irish Election has the dope on yesterday’s confirmation that yes, the government is still enmeshed in deep do-do with the electors of the Republic… Though the Fianna Fail rally is four per cent, and the only one outside the margin of error. It confirms this is a two horse race… The small parties on the Irish left remain marginal…

For Labour, Sinn Féin, Greens and Independents, it’s all well within the margin of error across the two polls. Sinn Féin may be a little worried that they haven’t capitalised on anything to do with the economic collapse – their natural supporters should be the ones feeling the pinch most.

– Maybe it’s because it is a small open economy that it’s minister of finance is not expected to be too original or imaginative

– Gerard is in nicely provocative form and playing Morpheus to his reader’s Neo… Take the Red pill he says, and awake to the reality that “the state is not a benign parent out to guide us on the path to happiness, but rather it is an organisation driven by its own survival with occasional gestures to keep the rest of us happy”… Hmmm… put me in mind of Fintan’s counterblast last week, when he argued Irish orthodoxy was “to keep pretending this is a temporary problem and that we can shrink our State while everyone else is expanding theirs”… If the Red C poll (is there a subliminal message in there somewhere) is anything to go by, Fintan’s Social Democrats are losing the argument by an Irish mile, or ten…

– Johnny wonders just how free market the Irish government actually is:

Brian Lenihan is a member of a party that has been vociferously pro-EU over the past few decades and therefore should in reality be a staunch advocate of people having the right to move freely and purchase goods regardless of whether those goods are bought in Belfast, Berlin or Ballybay.

– Bock won’t be going back to the 80s… Or so he claims

– Simon reckons the pro Lisboners are just plain unplugged

– And yet another post on Strictly Come Dancing and Democracy from Splintered…

– Mick remembers the exceptional talent of Republican cartoonist Cormac Mac Airt…

– Mairtin bemoans the fate of working class protestants in West Belfast and states that “nationalists can’t lead this fight for the DUP”… Except for the fact that after the next boundary changes, Nationalist MLAs will be solely responsible for the loyalists of Shankill and Suffolk, so I guess they will have an opportunity to step up to a classical Republican mark and take care of all the children of the nation…

– Jeff reckons Brown is winning by using the Grey Plan policy wonk diet… Works for me… Blair is deep, deep history, and although Osborne had some great lines, he still looks and sounds like a bit player

– Shuggy, who has been pretty scathing about Gordon Brown’s easy rise to the top through the Scottish Labour selectorate has this to say on the Brown Bounce:

Opposition parties wheel out a number of alternative policies and make various criticisms of the incumbents but underpinning them all is usually one basic message: they present themselves as an alternative by saying, in effect, that this wouldn’t be happening if we’d been in power.

The reasons why neither the Conservatives nor the SNP can say this with any degree of conviction should be fairly obvious. The number of people willing to believe the opposition narrative is shrinking simply because the opposition narrative is literally unbelievable.

– Or as James so aptly put it on Twitter this afrernoon: “The Tories are stuck in a ‘wouldn’t have started from here’ narrative. Just take the medicine isn’t an attractive proposition…”

– My colleague Janet Daley however is convinced the Tories have a more than adequate target to hit in the coming days in what she rightly describes as budget rather than a review…

– But it seems that internal Tory row over ‘punk tax cuts’ hasn’t gone away you know… Here’s Danny’s latest repost at Comment Central:

The Telegraph may have urged the Tories to slow spending growth but they also wanted them to promise to give that back. If they – or Fraser Nelson, or David Davis’s leadership campaign or any of the other punk tax cutters – had had their way and the Tories had committed to tax cuts (and that’s what they all wanted and excoriorated George Osborne for not promsising) the Conservatives would now be in all sorts of difficulties.

– And Iain’s got a poll of seven questions on the PBR. Results at Ten tonight…

– And given today’s FTSE rally Alphaville has this from hedge Funder Barton Biggs on the rally in the markets:

At the bottom of a panic, the news doesn’t have to be good for stocks to rally, it just has to be less bad than what has already been discounted. I want the markets to stop going down on bad corporate and macro-economic news. The fact that it still does shows the bad news has not yet been fully discounted. I have no idea when the next bull market starts, but I do think we are setting up for the mother of all bear market rallies.

– And, finally, a bear rally is just about the best way to describe Gerry’s assessment of the Irish performance against Argentina on Saturday…

– Oh, and Stephen has done his 1000th post… In the meantime he has done lots of good stuff on and off the blog, including getting married and having babies… great read from a great blogger…

– Ah, there’s also the one about Damien getting a Golden Spider… That’s it… Promise… Enjoy… Bye…

– Damn, late nomination from Pete on today’s events in Westminster which will do little to stem the tide of the “ultimate act of patriotic sabotage.” As Gerard noted on Twitter in the middle of the PBR, that “giant sucking sound of consumer spending heading North across the border just got louder…”

  • ggn

    Mark Devonport with some interesting news from the assembly.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markdevenport/2008/11/regional_language_strategy.html

  • Mick Fealty

    Laters ggn, I’m off to do some cooking and walk the dogs…

  • Ann

    Mick fealty did you clean up kens thread and leave the insult to me?

    Do you know that everytime I post he is on my heels? Has he also gone into annes thread I wonder? Probably. It’s like having your own personal stalker.

    Should I go back under my rock mick? Or is slugger no place for women?

  • Ann

    It’s all up when bloggers fight with commentators for posting a comment. You called him on it, he didn’t respond.

    I come here to post comments not to be left in a state over abuse.

    Wheres all that civility you spoke off when your bloggers are the worst offenders?

  • Ann

    I’ll tell you something mick, its the first time on any blog my gender has come into any debate, I see he’s cleared it all out. My gender is of no consequence, and should never be – is that allowed? Gender taunts like ken used?

  • Kensei

    Ann

    For your own mental health Mick is not permanently online and I’m sure will deal with it in due course. Posting every 30 seconds will not help.

    First up, I called you a troll for calling me a SF mouthpiece. That is a common t’internet occurrence and not worth starting world war 3 over. In the second instance you had went on repeatedly about being a woman, so I said I didn’t believe you as you’re an anonymous internet person and I can’t be sure. That was mostly for a laugh. I am somewhat taken aback by the level of offence taken. As anyone on here for a length of time will know, a wee bit of piss taking and colourful language is just part of my schtick. No serious offence is meant or should be taken. I don’t taken anonymous internet debates entirely seriously.

    I think you also labour under some misapprehension that Mick is some giant scary figure, or that getting booted from the roster is some giant thing for me. I greatly appreciate the platform Mick has allowed me but in the end but I post slowly, got on quite well without spending my Sunday nights trying to come up with something interesting and might well not be cut out for it.

    If you have a particular issue with me, my email is linked ,and you can discuss in private. I promise I will treat your concerns as a grown up.

  • Mick Fealty

    Indeed Ann. I’ve been following the PBR on Twitter for two hours, then had to come back to finish this thread. I’ve just cooked dinner for my family and now have two dogs to walk before working on a presentation I have to give at the Reuters Institute in Oxford on Wednesday.

    That said, Ken is actually very sweet and well intentioned. He certainly lacks manners, and sometimes assumes that everyone has a skin as tough as his. That’s the nearest I’ve ever heard him come to an apology with anyone.

    I hope this is an end to this particular squabble. I hold you both in very high esteem, and don’t want to lose either of you. Just remember, the more civil the engagement, the greater scope of blunt honesty too.

    Night all…

  • Ann

    My mental health? Is that under discussion now as well as my gender.

    I stated that I thought you were pushing a SF agenda, and I’m still of that opinion. I said it civilly and in the same thread mick corrected you also for picking a fight with him and told you to chill. Hows your mental health.

    I did not go on repeatedly about being a woman. You abused me and I said that men who abuse women are not men, but bullies. I told you I’d taken offence, Mick called you on it and you persisted. Saying you were not subject to the ‘man’. Isn’t that right.

    Tell the truth ken. I’m not laughing. My gender is not there for your amusement, you told me I used it to illicit sympathy. You are hugely mistaken. Would you say to a man that he was using his gender to get sympathy? And sympathy for what?

    You’ve been on my back since i called you on one of your errors. Get over it ken, stop following me when I comment and jumping all over everything I say…

    Other people have a point of view too. Like mick said chill man, you blogged, you did the work you had your say, let others speak too, and stop abusing.
    For your own mental health ken.

    If thats an apology I’ll call it quits?

  • Ann

    Good night mick, and cheers.

  • ggn

    How strange, Mick clearly knows Ken and Ann and regards them as real people.

    I have to admit that apart from Mick and CÓL dont reagrd anyone on Slugger as real people, just as internet charachters, most of them merely playing some sort of reailty computer game for either pure amusement or as the result of addiction.

  • Mick Fealty

    Doh, I nearly got away there…

    GGN, you may not be real, but I judge ‘people’ here on the character of their contributions not on the degree to which they may simply be the literary constructs of their true authors.

  • percy

    keep those doggies walking Mick

  • This is all getting a bit postmodern on the reality or authorwise of the author. Calm down everyone. The next thing you’ll be telling me the Gulf War did not happen.

  • Kensei

    I stated that I thought you were pushing a SF agenda, and I’m still of that opinion.

    I once stood beside Gerry Kelly in a queue for a taxi. Does that count?

    I said it civilly and in the same thread mick corrected you also for picking a fight with him and told you to chill.

    Mick is a Tory. I ignore everything he says.

    Hows your mental health.

    Mental.

    I did not go on repeatedly about being a woman. You abused me and I said that men who abuse women are not men, but bullies.

    You went on about it a lot. I don’t know who you are. Imitation is not unknown on the internet. So I picked up on that fact for ridicule. Your gender is irrelevant. It’s just something I could use to take the piss.

    I told you I’d taken offence, Mick called you on it and you persisted. Saying you were not subject to the ‘man’. Isn’t that right.

    I am not of the belief that you taking offence is enough for me to apologise. Sometimes you simply need to get over it. I believe I told you I was a crazy kid from the wrong side of the tracks, living by my own rules or other such nonsense. And you don’t get the level of pisstaking I’m engaging in here?

    Tell the truth ken. I’m not laughing. My gender is not there for your amusement, you told me I used it to illicit sympathy. You are hugely mistaken. Would you say to a man that he was using his gender to get sympathy? And sympathy for what?

    No, because being a woman role playing a man is not enough on its own to be funny. I once accused Mick of having a boner for Unionism. I have come up with much colourful stuff here.

    You’ve been on my back since i called you on one of your errors. Get over it ken, stop following me when I comment and jumping all over everything I say…

    You were in my thread. And you keep going on about a perceived error I didn’t make. I would happily admit if I did actually get it wrong, and it would not be the first time I have done so.

    Other people have a point of view too. Like mick said chill man, you blogged, you did the work you had your say, let others speak too, and stop abusing.

    If you are going to come into my thread, call me an SF mouthpiece and totally ignore the half of the article that points out scrapping the 11+ isn’t a pancea, I am going to call you on it. Not because I want to shout you down, but because I want you to come back with something better. I want to be stopped and made to think. That requires quality responses.

    If thats an apology I’ll call it quits?

    It’s a “I believe you have misunderstood my intent”. Think of me like a shock jock. It’s a bit of a caricature designed to provoke a response but I’m attempting to avoid crossing the line. I don’t believe the examples you cite are beyond the average internet pale — I haven’t even managed to get to accusing you of fascism yet. But there are lines when people don’t really know. I regret upsetting you and I regret derailing the thread. But sorry in the sense my behaviour was particularly beyond the pale? No.

  • Kensei

    Gari

    Don’t be silly. Now the moon landings…

  • Dewi

    ggn – I’m buiding a virtual celtic empire – centred in Douglas on the Isle of Man. I have Maelgwn Gwynedd as our King and your Brian Boru bloke as champion – much more fun than gas bills up 30%………….Ann – chill – Kensei’s cool.

  • blinding

    Don’t be silly. Now the moon landings…

    Posted by Kensei

    Pretty much with you on the moon landings.

    Fancy man being able to land on the moon in 1969 and its still a big deal to repeat the trick.

    Is there anything else that man has done so far in the past and cannot now do almost at the drop of a hat.

  • Ann

    Go away ken. I’m fed up with you now, even mick said its as close to an apology as you could get.

    I’ve accepted it, I’m done. Rant away.

    He certainly lacks manners

    He certainly does. Argue away you wiped the evidence not me, so you must have had something to hide.

    Stop spoiling micks thread go spoil your own.

    Nitey nite.

  • Suchard

    And here was I thinking this was a discussion about opinion polls.

  • RepublicanStones

    Will we be able to get a copy of your presentation Mick regarding how the web benefits journalism or is it all powerpoint and not conducive to print?

    I did enjoy the handbags at dawn on this thread as well.

  • Mick Fealty

    RS,

    I tried doing that with one of my presentations to the Electoral Commission and it didn’t fare well… Might write it up as a blog post at CIF…

  • Harry Flashman

    Well I for one am certainly not the character I present, I’m actually a social worker from Bermondsey who is a vegan, likes to re-enact English Civil War battles in my spare time, is a big fan of Immanuel Kant, knits fair isle sweaters for sale at local craft fairs and lives in a bedsit with my partner and his collection of late nineteenth century Balkan pornography, which thankfully he manages to keep within the law, just about.

    Slugger O’Toole is simply a cheaper version of Second Life for me.

  • kensei

    Mick

    There are ways you can put presentations on the web — something like zoho or google docs could probably do it. Or video yourself and stick it on You Tube. Though perhaps you want to protect your IP…

    Harry

    Thankfully we have a while to go before we slip to Second Life levels. Warning. True horror behind this link:

    http://www.somethingawful.com/d/second-life-safari/

  • Dave

    “Ken is actually very sweet…” – Mick Fealty

    Ha ha! There goes the poor guy’s street cred…

    Harry, living a rich fantasy life on the web usually involves inventing an exciting lifestyle with the intention of impressing other Internet users, thereby bolstering the faltering self-esteem of the fantasist. From what I have read of slugger, none of you folks sound particularly impressive, so I conclude that few fantasists post here (Gregory being an exception).

    I know I come across as a demure left-wing, pro-European supporter of big government with a high regard for the political establishment in NI… and that’s very close to the mark. You come across as a conservative curmudgeon.

  • Harry Flashman

    “You come across as a conservative curmudgeon.”

    Dave, you say the nicest things.