“After that they have to learn to act responsibly..”

Via Newshound. If Newton Emerson was too concise for some, in the Sunday Times Liam Clarke had a more comprehensive answer to Turgon’s question.

For those keeping score, the DUP is ahead on points – it gave less ground than Sinn Féin. It’s hard to understand why Gerry Adams held things up so long for this outcome that, most observers believe, was available without all this drama. Perhaps, as Naomi Long of Alliance put it, the Sinn Féin President needs a hobby.

For all his huffing and puffing, Adams secured no target date for devolution of justice, and Sinn Féin has no prospect of ever getting the ministry without DUP agreement. Even Peter Robinson’s statement that he wants justice devolved without “undue delay” was not new. The only concession to republican sentiment is that the DUP have stopped demanding guarantees that the IRA Army Council never meets again.

Go read the whole thing.

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  • Ian

    Pete B,

    As I pointed out on Turgon’s thread, the DUP have now agreed an effective deadline for devolution of justice – May 2012.

    Prior to last week’s agreement this was not the case. Thus the DUP’s position has changed.

  • percy

    what’s also noticeable is a general uptempo from the regular columnists:
    relief not complacency.

    Time for Big Two to tackle top four issues

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Pete, as making the same point over and over is the order of the day…

    re. the GFA

    What is clear is that SF have tried to implement it – namely because they like it and the DUP have striven to do the opposite – namely because they do not. The DUP have now admitted that they had to implement the STA(GFA plus) fully or face Dublin involvement via Direct Rule. So much for the much heralded funny locks.

    Although Robbo and Dodsy now deserve to be Lundified in exactly the same way as they unfairly Lundified Trimble lets all hope that Big Jimbo and the Tuvers do not have the political clout to bring that about.

  • dub

    Clarke is plain wrong about sf never getting their hands on justice.. will happen after 2012 or 2016 (i think there are assembly elections in 2011). DUP wont get their hands on it till then either but, hey Liam, dont let facts get in the way of your anti-sf drivel.

  • Pete Baker


    I see you’ve already amended your claim of a deadline on that thread to one of a “target date”.

    But you’re just wrong.

    I know it’s the only date you have to reference, but it’s a date for a review of a mechanism that has yet to be implemented.

    That implementation is dependent on the success of the new Process.

    A Process which, itself, is dependent on the parties working to build community confidence – there is no enforceable deadline.

    As I mentioned previously

    ..it’s back to St Andrews and the need for public confidence – without the claims of commitments to an unenforceable deadline. “Rejoice, rejoice”, indeed.

    Sammy Mac/dub

    Go read the whole thing.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it


    the DUP in have been taught a lesson – they dont get to do government unless they get on with the implementation of the STA – their funny locks count for feck all. I have more faith in Robbo than you have – he has nowhere to go except into Stormo as the Englezes have cut off his exit route by threatening him with direct rule with Dublin ( Dodsy’s words).

    If the boul Liam thinks that puts them ahead on points…well that’s fine and dandy by me.

  • Comrade Stalin


    All that matters is that the republican leadership are able to successfully persuade their supporters that they are getting a good deal. If that’s the case, then it’s great.

    I’d love to see a plan for joint authority being put to the present Irish government which is having to tax the living fuck out of it’s present population base just to balance it’s books – and that’s without having the additional burden of us up here added on. The looks on their faces would be priceless. But on second thoughts, these stark political and economic matters don’t matter – the important thing is that the DUP claimed in public nearly two years ago that this threat persuaded them to sign a deal, and we all obviously know that two years is far too short a time for things to change in politics. So, don’t worry about it.

  • Jimmy

    Re:(Comrade Stalin, P7)
    ”All that matters is that the republican leadership are able to successfully persuade their supporters that they are getting a good deal. If that’s the case, then it’s great”.

    Thats What SF have been doing since the signing of the GFA, they are Masters of selling the Proverbial Dead Horse. I wouldnt worry too much about SF supporters believing they are getting a good deal, they have swallowed hook, line and sinker everything SF have said and done.Only sheep need leaders. SF supporters will still blindly vote for these eijits because they simply dont know any different.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it


    who is worrying? I am delighted (as I pointed out to you and Pete B. repeatedly) because they fear ‘Joint Direct Rule’ the DUP have to implement the transfer of police irrespective of their funny locks.

    ps Not sure about you but I still dont think Pete B. has grasped that yet.

  • Insider

    Keep kidding yourselves lads. The shinners have been shafted. The DUP gave nothing. No date and no chance of a sf minister even after 2012. Try reading what was agreed.