More on the IMC and éirígí.

As noted by Vladimir Lenihan in the comments here today’s TalkBack (approx 15m30s) addressed the issue of why éirígí were included in the 20th IMC report. UUP MLA Basil McCrea defended the IMC monitoring or investigating the group despite the fact they fall outside their remit. In addition éirígí spokesperson Sean MacBradaigh answered questions on who they are and what they are about.

  • Leon Trotsky

    As noted by Vladamir Lenin in the comments

    Er, shurely Vladimir Lenihan!

  • Mark McGregor

    Leon,

    Correct. Fixed. Thanks.

  • jock

    Mark, I can give you the contact details for ‘Rentacrowd’-just in case Eirigi need a hand for their next rally. Alternatively they can just go ahead and hold it in a phone box, as planned.

  • Mark McGregor
  • Dewi

    Mark – “it’s a young fledging party with no established view” – I thought I heard that right. Please don’t say that you think armed struggle is appropriate.

  • Mark McGregor

    Dewi,

    I’m not an eirigi member, though I did dip my toe in the water, just a very interested independent.

  • lorraine

    i’m an interested independent too and went to the eirigi protest at divis flats. it was my first protest in a long time and i’m glad i went

  • William

    Perhaps the IMC were interested in Eirigi as they were well aware that there has never ever been a Republican group that didn’t have a military wing.

  • ggn

    I have to say I thought Seán Mac Brádaigh spoke very well on Talkback.

    I can’t see much of a future for Éirigí as I do not see them as distinct enough from Sinn Féin to make an electoral impact nor doctrinaire enough to really make the dissident ground their own.

    I also feel that there are a number of ideological tensions to be worked out, something never easy with big personalities.

    Interesting for the anorak anyway.

  • Mark McGregor

    ggn,

    I’m not sure about them not being hardline enough to make a space on the ‘dissenting’ scene.

    Admittedly I got to the joint RNU, IRSP, 32CSM joint protest at the Markets late but from even the most optimistic shots/reports they’d have been lucky to have 1/3 of the participants eirigi got, who probably had one quarter of the support SF turned out.

    As for personalisties – I can’t believe they’ve managed to turn Jack Jackson in addition to many other former provo stalwarts.

  • Mark McGregor

    ggn,

    And if you know your republicans they knocked back TC, who many shinners cried a river of electoral strategy angst over when he left, amongst others.

  • Driftwood

    Looking at your photo Mark.
    Are ALL your supporters Oxbridge graduates?
    Maybe a few from Trinity, Edinburgh or even UCD, but they really put the Royal Society to shame.

    I couldn’t spot George Galloway in the photo, but no doubt he was there in spirit.

  • Driftwood

    BTW
    An pic of the TUV founders, in the interests of equality…
    http://floccipics.blogspot.com/2006/07/brain-power.html

    I think Jim Allister took the photo

  • Mark McGregor
  • latcheeco

    Mark,
    “knocked back TC”. Name droppin’ and rubbin in noses does nobody any favours but your opponents. I’m sure they had their reasons but is elitism wise given their relative numbers and where it got their predecessors. Suely if they had any sense and weren’t just ego trippin’ the tent would be as big as possible. I would imagine the more the merrier would be a better strategy.

  • The Devil

    Eirigi are a fascinating organisation they’re kinda like a Republican Sinn Fein without the beards.

    The great principled republicans that now associate themselves with the lovely sanitised Eirigi are the same Muppets that towed the Sinn Fein line for decades, perhaps they’re sulking because they didn’t receive one of the many 25k-35k community jobs that were reserved for the especially valuable, stupid, or sleeked party followers.
    Why would anyone wish to associate themselves with individuals who clearly were regarded as mushrooms by the leadership (kept in the dark and fed shit) If these clowns were so unbelievably thick as not to see that their leadership had been bought and sold by the British Government and that the lovely Belfast agreement was a Whitehall document then surely they are too thick to be associated ever again with any political party.

    Exactly why should anyone waste their time on people who openly spied on dissidents for the Sinn Fein leadership, people who threatened anyone who dared to question the leadership?
    Some of these so called enlightened ones organised and participated in the disgusting picket of the home of Anthony McIntyre and his then heavily pregnant wife for the crime of highlighting Sinn Fein crimes against the community.
    Actually there is a huge difference between Eirigi and RSF now that I think about it apart from the beards, outdated as RSF is at least they have the balls to stand by their principles

  • Mark McGregor

    (ignoring ‘The Devils’ crap but articulate trolling)

    latcheeco,

    I agree it looks elitist. He wasn’t the only one knocked back and then had others raised it, made it public via friends on various websites. It wasn’t eirigi flagging their rejection in public.

    Most of them seem to have found an immediate home in the RNU, which seems ideology light, so they can’t have been that committed to republican socialism/eirigi’s ideals in the first place.

  • Driftwood

    Any chance people could stop posting crap

    Have you had a moment of clarity Mark?

    Self realisation is hard but necessary. Glad you have looked in the mirror. But you are in denial, so the answer to your own question, is probably not.

  • RepublicanStones

    Somebody break your xbox Drift?

  • Driftwood

    BTW Mark
    The remake of Wolfie Smiths character cannot be far off. Are you of the thespian cadre?

  • William

    Mark…the supposed ‘citizen journalist’. Perhaps you might inform us what postings you consider crap.

    Awaiting your reply.

  • RepublicanStones

    Nobody can replace Lindsay and you know it Drift. Seriously though, why the narky mood?

  • Driftwood

    RS
    Come off it
    The parallels are obvious.

  • RepublicanStones

    Not many people can carry off a beret Drift.

  • Mark McGregor

    William,

    In my opinion, if you read the lines just before you hit the ENTER buton you’ll have a good idea ;0)

  • Paul McMahon

    “I can’t believe they’ve managed to turn Jack Jackson in addition to many other former provo stalwarts”

    Wasn’t aware that Jake had jumped ship. I know that he’s on the panel in a Hunger Strike debate hosted by Eirigi but does that equate to him being a member?

    If this is the situation It’d be interesting to know the facts behind Jake’s conversion as, insofar as I remember, he was still with SF well after Eirigi was founded.

  • latcheeco

    Mark,
    Somebody needs to tell them if they don’t try to get numbers then its just a hobby and social life extension for them and they should wrap it up because it’ll go nowhere. How can they reject people who are not ideologically pure enough for them. Who decides? Can somebody with a straight face ask them at what point they saw the light? Was it before 1986, the ceasefires,Downing Street Dec. GFA/Stormont, PSNI, watching their former comrades slandered as a tactic,decommissioning etc.? What’s the criteria to be knocked back because I doubt too many of them that have hairy arse are without sin. I doubt any are ideologically clean. I’m sure quite a few of the rejects have given the best part of their lives in their minds to republican socialism and to bear grudges now would seem silly and self-defeating.

  • Driftwood

    RS
    Berets can be fashionable.
    How about our first minister (in red beret) standing at Forestside shouting “Freedom for Castlereagh!”. It just doesn’t have impetus.
    Anyway, I always preferred ‘Whatever happened to the Likely Lads’. But I may be older than you.
    Eirigi/TUV/Cedric Wilson/Anthony Mcintyre/Bob McCartney. From the theme tune to that series
    “The only thing to look forward to..the past”
    ‘night all…’

  • Cahal

    On Eirigi: If they advocated (a) walking away from stormont (b) **peaceful** opposition to the 6 county statelet, they’d get a significant number of votes.

  • Driftwood
  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Whatever happened to the Likely Lads’

    The episode were they try to go the whole day without finding out the soccer results so they can watch it later on the telly is my personal fav.

  • Driftwood
  • Driftwood

    RS
    We’re on the same wavelength on so many ways
    remember Terry’s comment to Bob when he finds him fishing in the canal:
    “I’d give you a beer , but i’ve only got 6”
    Classic

    Don’t you mean’football’ results though?

  • Cahal

    Pretty sure it was kick ball.

  • cynic

    Who says they fall outside their remit? Do PIRA because they have (allegedly) disarmed? The more important question is why do IMC think they ARE within their remit?

    What do they know that we don’t? Might that relate to some of their membership and other recent ‘non-political’ events?

  • jock

    The Eirigi membership is a prime example of hurlers on the ditch. Watch the Southern leadership leg it back over the border the first time someone clods a brick, credibilty duly lost in the process.