On the edges of republicanism

Two former SF Cllrs, Martin Connolly of Newry and Mourne Council and Barry Monteith of Dungannon District Council, have declared their support for the éirígí protest over the British military parade in Belfast.

And bizarrely it seems three Republican SF cumann in East Tyrone have left that organisation after the party refused to accept local groups being named after IRA volunteers killed at Loughgall (no link of worth as yet for this).

  • Driftwood

    Mark.
    Do you, or these councillors, know there is NO connection between 1 RIR (Royal Irish Rangers) and the UDR, or the RIR Home service battalions. Whatever your opinion on the latter, the former never had any operational connection with the latter, which, if you read Tim Collins autobiography, you should know. He stated that they (1-RIR_General Service)never had anything to do with the other_Home Service battalions. If this parade was by the Irish Guards, would there be the same heated rhetoric?
    submit code word here-british!!!

  • Driftwood

    Why no protests against the daily deployment of this British Army unit?

    The Ammunition Technicians of the Royal Logistic Corps (formerly RAOC) have become the world’s foremost experts in IED disposal, after many years of dealing with bombs planted by the Provisional Irish Republican Army. The bombs PIRA employed ranged from simple pipe bombs to sophisticated victim-triggered devices. The roadside bomb was in use by PIRA from the early 1970s onwards, evolving over time with different types of explosives and triggers.

    A specialist Army unit 321 EOD (now 11 EOD Regiment RLC) was created to tackle increased IRA violence and willingness to use IEDs against both civilian and military targets. The unit’s radio callsign was Felix in allusion to the cat with nine lives and led to the phrase “Fetch Felix” whenever a suspect device was encountered and became the title of the 1981 book “Fetch Felix” 321 EOD Sqn RLC is unique in that it is the most decorated squadron (in peace time) in the British Army, notably for acts of bravery during OP BANNER (1969-2007) in Northern Ireland.[2]

  • Mark,

    … the party refused to accept local groups being named after IRA volunteers …

    Come on, you know as well as everybody else that this is all a minor part of the larger picture. That larger picture being the distancing of SF from the IRA, in order to allow the devolution of P+J, and the restoration of the Executive.

    Look at it this way – it may be part of a much larger strategy, in which SF ‘play along’ for a half-generation or so, by which time the memories of the war will have faded, and the demographic balance will have tipped, leading to an easier transition to a UI.

  • Horseman,

    Does it not refer to RSF rather than PSF? And is this story that surprising seeing as according to RSF ideology they had abandoned principles by not leaving after 1986?

  • Mark McGregor

    Driftwood,

    The parade is not just an RIR parade but a British military parade with Army, Navy and Air Force participation and it includes an airpower fly past.

    Gari,

    You are correct. The split over names was within RSF.

    Horseman – if you are going to comment try reading the entry (or should I try writing them better?). Your contribution makes no sense.

  • picador

    Aha, the ‘Loughgall Martyrs’ would be heretics then? What a truly bizarre organisation RSF is! Incidentally, their Dungannon cumann is named for a 13 year old boy.

  • Driftwood

    Mark
    Your opinions on the unit referred to in my 2nd post? Even if you didn’t answer my 1st.

  • … should I try writing them better?

    Yes.

    I thought all SF cumann were republican. The normal convention is to call RSF RSF.

  • fin

    The Ammunition Technicians of the Royal Logistic Corps………..

    geez driftwood you cut and paste direct from wikipedia…………like, i mean direct, is this blogging, is this debating or is this googling….

  • fin

    driftwood can you supply any refs for “catch felix” apart from …..

    Derrick Patrick OBE. The Fight Against the Ulster Bombers 1976-1977. Published by Hamish Hamilton 1981

  • Driftwood

    fin
    Context old boy, Context.
    What,personally, do you hate about the Royal Logistics Corp. I could have pasted from the MoD website, but my overall query was clear. Do Sinn Fein (and their voters) hate the British Armys bomb disposal unit so much they don’t want them in the Shrangri-la 32 county socialist republic? Maybe they would prefer Bobby Storey to disarm these devices. Actually I would agree with them.

  • LURIG

    Maybe some of you Loyal(?) super-Unionists on here should take a look at the front page of the Andersonstown News today to see why so many Republicans and Nationalists have no great love for the RIR. It shows RIR soldiers in Afghanistan standing in front of a Loyalist Ulster flag with NO SURRENDER on the front and ALL holding weapons in a threatening manner. It’s a pose one would expect to see on a UVF/UDA calendar. It is undoubtedly, as the ATN says, “a provocative Loyalist display”. The paper reports that the photograph,and others, were taken from “the social networking site of a North Belfast RIR soldier”. The ATN further says that “photos are accompanied by messages supporting the Parade” along with “other deeply inflammatory material including”: UVF banners; pictures of masked Loyalist gunmen; the slogan ‘Kill All Taigs’ AND the words ‘ha ha ha’ over a picture of PSNI officers being petrol bombed. Now those are hardly the actions of a ‘widely respected regiment’ and Unionists wonder why there is such deep anger within the Catholic comunity. A few years ago, during Drumcree, about 50 – 60 RIR soldiers were pictured in the ATN in front of Orange Order standards and Loyalist flags supporting Drumcree. The widely respected journalist Brian Feeny regularly rightly points out this hypocrisy within Unionism and draws attention to this myopia that they have towards Loyalist paramilitaries AND the widespread support they have within locally recruited British Army regiments. Apart from the Paras there is NOT a more widely detested British Army regiment within the Catholic community than the UDR/RIR with it’s widescale links to violent murderous Loyalism, especially the UVF. This is NOT about denying Unionists their British identity, the 12th now goes on each year without much protest from Nationalists. This bigoted regiment has form and, as the ATN story would seem to verify, it’s Loyalist links are STILL very strong. This parade is ALL about Unionists reminding the Taigs who is in charge and the nonsensical false guff being wheeled out to justify it is complete bullshit. Do they think people zip up at the back?

  • Driftwood

    LURIG
    The ‘No surrender’ banner applies only to your Taleban friends. FA to do with NI. Anyway I thought the angrytown news opposed the protest? Obviously SF have ‘had a word’ with the editorial team. Let’s face it you’re looking forward to seeing the Apache Longbow gunships over West Belfast as much as seeing the new James Bond movie. Move on mate, stop looking backward, move on,No-one is saying you are not Irish, of course you are, support the Taliban as much as you want. And leave those who oppose them to support our pov.

  • fin

    driftwood, I only hate lazy blogging, as in your cutting and pasteing. Which without refs, you pass as your own words, hence my asking if you could supply reffs regarding “call felix” which appears (according to google) to exist with one individual. This is the arguement I stated, nothing else.
    However if you wish to argue context, please provide reffs that they are more skilled than those who currently disarming uk/usa manufactured munitions in the leb, cluster bombs for example.
    For your information the ira never used ied’s, their explosives where always bought or manufactured for purpose, and also they did not evolve in fact they regressed to wire triggers in the 80’s, hence my displeasure at your poor blogging

  • fin

    and again driftwood, regarding lurigs post can you add reffs for you knowledge that the usual loyist slogan is in this instant referring to the taliban, past uses have been directed against nationalists.

  • Driftwood

    fin
    You never seen the felix (the cat) logo on the side of an army vehicle?
    http://www.freewebs.com/patchtraderandy/Felix Decal.JPG

    As for Afghanistan, well you support our (UK/US) forces or you support the alternative -Taliban.

  • Driftwood
  • Driftwood

    Should add that those who support Sinn Fein and the Taliban, Robert Mugabe (and FARC) have the democratic right to do so And while I disagree with them, they have the British Army to back them up.

  • pól

    [i]As for Afghanistan, well you support our (UK/US) forces or you support the alternative -Taliban. [/i]

    That’s a ridiculous statement right there. Talk about a simplistic viewpoint. It’s not all black and white.

    Not to mention your contention that the flag of the Government of Northern Ireland ’53-’72 with the words ‘no surrender’ underneath is obviously not connected to the problems we have in the North *rolls eyes*.

    You make some good points driftwood, but when you add in guff like the above, it completely destroys any credibility that you may have (at least in the eyes of the casual Sluggerite).

  • LURIG

    LOL, supporting the Taliban??? If you had a grasp of history Driftwood you would surely know that the CIA and British Intelligence(?) had a lot to do with arming these Mujahadeen fighters in the 1980’s AND teaching them guerilla tactics. Weren’t DICK Cheney and his Neo-Con friends shipping large amounts of US & British military hardware to the Afghans when they were fighting the Russians as well as shaking hands with Sadam Hussein? Osama Bin Laden learnt his stuff at the best school, the Western spooks and military. Hypocrisy how are ye? How many wine gums have you had tonight?

  • fin

    driftwood, you’ve posted links to a cat in combats and a pge that does’nt seem to exist, regarding the taliban, its sad that your arguement is now reduced to “ooh you support the taliban” is this the same tabiban courted by george bush’s oil company? the same taliban that no-one really knew about before the invasion, tell me driftwood, the troops you are so passionate about, why are they in afganistan?
    and also answer my my previous questions to you.

  • Driftwood

    LURIG
    None tonight, but you have ignored the point whether Afghans should live under Taliban rule or not. I accept the fact that Karzais govt is corrupt, but this is GWB’s mess, Tony Bliar got our troops involved, and there they are. There their because their there because their there…
    Hardly Tim Collins fault.
    What’s your issue with the homecoming parade?
    Because YOU HATE British people?

  • Driftwood

    fin
    I don’t know why they are in Afghanistan, and i don’t support Bush’s policies here. But that is not the point. The squaddies do what they are told.
    Your leader, Martin McGuinness seems quite happy to brown nose Bush. Why the faux outrage against the soldiers?
    I repeat, i don’t support Bush/Blair/Brown.
    But Tim Collins surely would be on everybody’s list of great men.

  • pól

    [i]There their because their there because their there… [/i]

    Wrong use of ‘there their and they’re’ attack!

    On a serious point, just because you don’t believe Afghans should live under the Taliban doesn’t mean that you should support the British Army.

    The issue with the homecoming parade is that it feels like triumphalism and is slightly intimidating to many in the Nationalist community. Understandable when you consider what befell people like the 14 who died in Derry 30 odd years ago. Actions carried out in the name of the same army.

    I wouldn’t expect any Unionist to have to be subjected to a IRA flyby, so I don’t expect to be subjected to a BA flyby.

  • Driftwood

    pl
    Didn’t know the provos had an airforce. But seriously. The British army and the RAF had many events like this in NI on the 50th anniversary of VE day in 1995.
    Nobody protested! The airshow at Newtownards featuring Spitfires and Lancasters was grand. Why the spiteful now?

  • LURIG

    Driftwood,

    Anti-British?? Moi?? I don’t think so, some of my own relatives have seen service in Britain’s Forces albeit in a different bygone era so that won’t wash. I also know people from here, from both religions, who give to the British Legion in mainland Britain but WON’T wear a poppy or stick money in a box here BECAUSE Unionists have politicised it so much. The British Legion does a hell of a lot of good work for people from ALL backgrounds I acknowledge totally BUT I have NO time for the UDR/RIR which is a partisan bigoted Loyalist militia. I have NO problem with Military events at St. Anne’s Cathedral and have taken relatives from abroad around it on many occasions. Indeed some may see St. Anne’s as a shrine to Britain’s Military and less to do with religion and God BUT that’s another debate. However Unionists don’t seem to grasp the emotion and deep anger that this UDR/RIR regiment stirs up in the Catholic community. That has NOTHING to do with being anti-British and MORE to do with resentment towards a nakedly bigoted sectarian grouping linked to collusion with Loyalist death squads and murder of innocent civilians in Ireland. As I have already stated take a look at the front page of the ATN today, it is just another example of this. Incidentally Tim Collins wan’t even on the list of great men within the British Army command. Have you read his autobiography? He is quite scathing at some of his fellow officers because of their deep jealousy and resentment at his public profile when Bush mentioned his pre-Iraq War speech? Britain’s Military command couldn’t quite stomach this ‘stupid, ignorant Paddy’ taking the glory and hogging the limelight and made that quite obvious. DON’T insult and tell me the British Military doesn’t think like this. My own relatives who were in the Forces and Protestant friends have told me ANY serviceman form Ireland, North or South, gets PADDY as a nickname. Who was one of the most decorated and bravest soldiers of World War II?? Correct, Blair ‘PADDY’ Mayne, from Newtowanards in the County of Down! I rest my case M’LUD.

  • Pastuns in Afghanistan,Shias and Sunnis in Iraq.
    Can’t you get your tribalism right?

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Why has the Irish Republican movement been hijacked by beligerant juvenile selfish cunts in NI?

  • LURIG

    I wouldn’t disagree with that either Greagoir! Irish Republicanism has been unfairly caught up in the sectarian war here and consequently demonised as such. I sound like a Stickie, which I am not, but there is a lot of truth in that statement. It should be a thread in itself, why don’t you post it as one? There could be a good honest debate there.

  • runciter

    I don’t know why they are in Afghanistan, and i don’t support Bush’s policies here. But that is not the point. The squaddies do what they are told.

    They are not conscripts. The idea that they bear no responsibility for their participation in illegal and immoral wars is nonsense.

  • DK

    On that orange parade that the soldiers held – don’t foget that some of them also dressed up as protestors. Get the feeling that, like society, the army has a variety of people in it.

  • Reader

    runciter: The idea that they bear no responsibility for their participation in illegal and immoral wars is nonsense.
    They are back from Afghanistan. Will you cite ‘Just War’ theory to show that the war in Afghanistan is immoral? I would disagree.
    And on what possible grounds can you claim that the war is illegal?
    And in any case soldiers are regarded as being responsible for their *own* actions, not someone else’s politics.

  • runciter

    And on what possible grounds can you claim that the war is illegal?

    How was it legal or moral?

    And in any case soldiers are regarded as being responsible for their *own* actions

    Like murdering Afghans for money.

  • Earnan

    i think the war against the taliban would fit any definition of a “legal war”

  • runciter

    i think the war against the taliban would fit any definition of a “legal war”

    Of course you do.