Northern Bank murk

Update. Here is an impressive account by Jonathan McCambridge in the Bel Tel of the reasons for failure in the case and others, minus the conspiracy theory. “In the end, the problem was the same as in the Omagh bombing and Robert McCartney murder trials – how do you solve a crime without evidence?”

Our old friends the dogs in the streets will have a complete theory about the Northern Bank robbery and I doubt if Chris Ward is central to it. I have to say I’m totally ignorant of the gossip but let’s see if I’ve got it right what the Times and the Guardian are trying to tell me.

Henry McDonald The Guardian

In the weeks after the Northern Bank robbery, security sources in Northern Ireland and the republic hinted that at least one branch of the security services had prior knowledge the IRA was preparing just such a heist….. At the time, this was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. But in light of the Omagh revelations, would it be a complete surprise if it emerged the authorities knew in advance about the biggest bank robbery in UK history but failed to act?

Henry said earlier in the piece:

“Following the heist on December 20 2004, the PSNI chief constable, Sir Hugh Orde, claimed it was “the biggest theft of waste paper in history”. Orde was referring to the bank’s decision to immediately recall all its notes and reprint an entire set of new ones that were radically different in colour and design.

But he goes on to give weight to this contradiction:

The IRA southern commander turned police spy Sean O’Callaghan was adamant the Provisionals had the ability to absorb and “wash” the cash through their various assets relatively quickly. Most of the stolen money, O’Callaghan said, was digested through the IRA’s financial system even before the Northern Bank’s reprinted notes hit the streets.

If this is true, Orde is bound to have known it so why did he play down the scale of the financial loss?

David Sharrock in the Times points out that Sir Hugh Orde has scored three of the UK’s most controversial cases – the 1998 Omagh bombing, the Northern Bank robbery and the murder of Robert McCartney – at the end of which he has scored a legal 0-3 with not a single conviction achieved.

“A harder question to answer is how much blame should be shouldered by Sir Hugh and how much is the result of the peculiarities created by the peace process and the blurred point at which justice and politics meet in Northern Ireland.”

David concludes:

Almost three weeks after the raid he told a news conference in Belfast: “In my opinion the Provisional IRA were responsible for this crime.” His delay in publicly attributing blame – in a province where the police were usually more swift to do so – may have been because of the febrile political atmosphere of the time.”

(What’s the precise suggestion here?)

These reports seem to imply first, that Orde had to have the IRA attribution dragged out of him at the time and second, that he played down the significance of the real money loss of £20 million – contrary to O’Callaghan’s view that the loss was real and substantial – a view which Orde is bound to have shared from his knowledge of the IRA racketeering.

Did Orde take this line (if he did), in order to minimise the threat to the peace process, or did he do the opposite – defy pressure to get him not to give the IRA attribution at all? There’s a suspicion of cover-up of prior knowledge held by either by MI5 or the CID. There’s no conclusive knowledge of this that’s fit to print – it’s hard to imagine anybody fessing up – but I think I’ve got the message.

The further impression I’m left with is that Ward was put up for a show trial that was bound to fail, so that yet again the book can be closed on a politically inconvenient case. What I’m confused about is whether the suggestion is that it’s the prior knowledge is being covered up as such or a cover up for political reasons or both. I somehow doubt if that’s all we’ll hear of the Northern Bank saga…

Whatever the truth behind the murk, this is not the best of times for Hugh Orde to get such coverage

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  • DC

    With espionage there sits counterespionage, and round and round we go. The authorities in the Republic have upped the game now too.

    £26million was a very hard swallow for people here, but it was a very dry one that followed in government circles in the Republic, for obvious political reasons.

    It’s a lot of clout, whatever realm you’re in: British or Irish even American. How many Cookie Monster watches would that buy us all so to while away the spare, or perhaps timed, time..?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    It seems odd for “security sources” to suggest that “one branch of the security services had prior knowledge the IRA was preparing just such a heist”. Presumably that means that the “sources” were not from the same organisation as the “branch” that had “prior knowledge” – it would be silly for the police or security services to make themselves out to be so stupid. This in itself suggests rivalries coming into play after the event, as they quite possibly did, for example, over the Castlereagh raid.

    Anyway, it wasn’t weeks, but the following day, that the police started spinning the line that the heist was for the IRA retirement or pension fund. The implication was that this was the last big one the IRA were going to get away with, to help cement the peace process, and the suggestion was that it had the blessing of either No. 10 or MI5.

    Who knows – probably not Hugh Orde, even if he was rumoured to be having a few Christmas drinks in the Apartment bar with other senior cops, less than 200 feet away, during the robbery.

    As for Sharrock’s “3-0” scoreline, Gordon Kerr QC was the state prosecutor in every case. Shouldn’t he be fired? He’s obviously useless, or a political patsy. How on earth can anyone – unionist, nationalist, or anything else – have confidence in someone who can’t win ANY big cases?

  • Yvette Doll

    Is it important. How would it affect politics in London, isn’t that the measure?

    Is it not a case of Migrationwatch being more of a prob than Ulsterwatch, or is it a different kind of Bankwatch worry these days?

    The Brit on the Clapham Omnibus, probably doesn’t particularly care, has it knocked 28K off his house?

    Yvette Doll

  • My, how the collapse of the prosecution of Chris Ward for the Northern Bank job is being spread out by the site’s administrators and by hacks in the media. Now it is Hugh Orde and the Omagh bombing and the Robert McCartney murder, and who might be gaining the inside track on replacing Met Commission Sir Ian Blair because of them.

    I would have thought that someone would have at least mentioned the heist of the records at the RUC’s SF file office in East Belfast on that St. Patrick’s day – what was blamed ultimately on another ‘insider’, a chef, as I recall, but apparently without success either.

    Since it got rid of all the RUC knew about other intelligence services personnel in various operations, especially those involving ‘Steak knife’, the FRU, and MI6 – I would think they would be in the running for the bank job, especially since their mouthpiece Sean O’Callaghan has been making all those claims about his former colleagues in the bank job case.

    Hope this doesn’t get scrubbled like my earlier one, defending Orde in the Ward case.

  • Comrade Stalin

    There are some good points here. Hugh may or may not have been a good thing for the PSNI, but when it comes down to it, he doesn’t really have a track record when it comes to solving high-profile serious crime.

    These major cases all point to some kind of serious operational deficiency in the PSNI’s investigative capabilities. There needs to be a major open-ended enquiry into why the PSNI appears to be ineffective at combatting crime on so many different levels. It’s going to take a lot more than the devolution of policing powers to fix this.

  • Mick Fealty

    Trow,

    Your post was not the problem on that thread. It was the near hysteria of others. If I get time, I’ll selectively open the best stuff on that thread. If I get time. Mouths have to be fed, but micro managing unruly Slugger threads don’t feed them!

  • Henry94

    Hugh Orde has scored three of the UK’s most controversial cases – the 1998 Omagh bombing, the Northern Bank robbery and the murder of Robert McCartney – at the end of which he has scored a legal 0-3 with not a single conviction achieved.

    So Stormontgate doesn’t make the top three?

    David Trimble, the Ulster Unionist leader at the time, proclaimed that he did not need to wait for due process because “the smoking gun was now evident”; the alleged conspiracy was “10 times worse than Watergate”.

    In what interest is policing run in Northern Ireland? I don’t think it is in the Unionist interest and obviously it’s not the nationalist interest.

    Would anyone claim with a straight face that it is the community interest that dominates.

    Isn’t it fair to assume that it is run in the political interest of the British government. Hugh Orde doesn’t get convictions because that is not the priority. Politics and agendas are.

    The upshot of the ward case is that we will never see a conviction for the bank robbery and that was probably the intention from the start. Republicans are smeared and the money is gone. It was an inside job alright but it was conceived inside the security services in my opinion. Just like Stormontgate.

    Are people content to be policed like that?

  • Thanks, Mick, I knew it wasn’t.

    I just wanted to raise the matter again in the hope that you would take the necessary corrective action – what in this case would not be too difficult.

    As I recall, the discussion was going along okay until that poster, Ulster Is My Home (UMH), as I recall, got increasingly involved.

    He made increasingly crazy claims that poor Chris Ward was still guilty. He was not only found not guilty but also has a better claim of innocence than the rest of us since he now has a legal alibi.

    While I am essentially a defender of free speech and expression, as you well know from my probing posts, I certainly think that UMH has earned a banning, and I hope you give it to him/her.

  • polikensei

    Gonzo

    As for Sharrock’s “3-0” scoreline, Gordon Kerr QC was the state prosecutor in every case. Shouldn’t he be fired? He’s obviously useless, or a political patsy. How on earth can anyone – unionist, nationalist, or anything else – have confidence in someone who can’t win ANY big cases?

    If Drogba is playing up front for Chelsea and doesn’t score as all he gets is a succession of crap passes and wayward crosses, do you replace your striker or your midfield?

  • Glencoppagagh

    Quite so Gonzo, but he might let the manager know about the problem before he goes on the pitch. But if you’re getting paid anyway, win or lose, I suppose there’s not much incentive to do so.

  • RepublicanStones

    O’Callaghan has been out of the loop for how many years???? and yet his undoubtedly biased opinion is treated as if it was St Pete himself saying it. Also Townbridge raises another excellent point regarding the ‘break-in and theft’ at Castlereagh, which was meant to be secure no? I suppose they couldn’t really have another unexplained fire a la Stevens inquiry, as that would be pushing their luck eh?

  • Jimmy

    The Northern Bank Robbery, needed a fall guy in an otherwise unsolvable crime, Chris Ward was that fall guy and deserves any due compensation and apologies to him and his family.

    Back to the initial post, that there may have been information that security sources knew of the heist (which I dont Doubt)given this revelation, coupled with the fact that the IRA was from top to bottom with saturated with agents,everyone was singing, sometimes of thier own free will, every new car that the SF leadership had was bugged,they (Security services) knew of every major high level assasination and operation in fact the Security services ‘owned’ the IRA and indeed the Loyalists, if we are led to believe that its all true, in retrospect it all seems so.

    Therefore one question perplexes me,If the security services were in control of everything at least from the early Seventies, why on earth was the IRA and Loyalist campaigns not completely destroyed years ago?

  • Rory

    O’Callaghan has been out of the loop for how many years????”

    I am sorry, Republican Stones, I can’t quite remember. But he must be a busy man. Last I heard he was all tied up.

    I was wondering – if any of the £26m was invested in Iceland will Brown help to get it back for its investors or will another heist be required to replenish the pension chest?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Trowbridge H. Ford

    “[i]As I recall, the discussion was going along okay until that poster, Ulster Is My Home (UMH), as I recall, got increasingly involved.”[/i]

    You don’t recall things too well. The thread was already up the left when I entered it.

    “[i]He made increasingly crazy claims that poor Chris Ward was still guilty. He was not only found not guilty but also has a better claim of innocence than the rest of us since he now has a legal alibi.”[/i]

    No I didn’t make crazy claims that Chris Ward was guilty. Get your facts right Ford.

    “[i]While I am essentially a defender of free speech and expression, as you well know from my probing posts, I certainly think that UMH has earned a banning, and I hope you give it to him/her.”[/i]

    Get your facts straight, child.

  • RepublicanStones

    Hows the Paul Newman moviethon going UMH?

  • Jimmy thanks, at least you finally got there and mentioned the man and his family who was put through the mill over the northern bank raid. First the poor sod is held up at gunpoint in his home and his wife kidnaped, then he loses his job and finds himself in the dock. All those who were familiar with this case new the trial would be stopped through lack of evidence etc.

    How anyone could have any confidence in the rule of law in the north is beyond me. Hugh Orde presides over a putrid heap of corrupt and infighting officers. Which makes him fully qualified to become head of the met. (Orde is a political policeman who expects his reward in this life;)

    Orde claimed he had proof that the IRA carried out this ‘robbery’ yet he was unable to place a single piece of evidence before a court of law, perhaps it is time someone asked him why.

  • lorraine

    did gordon kerr not score a remarkable conviction in the danny morrison case ? 3-1

    cui bono? re the northern bank job –
    *a minority of bank robbers who live of the fat of the banking system?
    *sinn fein, rubbished as a not too trust-worthy gang of associates of bank robbers and murderers (robert mc cartney)
    *the state – all future potential threat from a strong republican party on the rise has been reversed through exposure to criminal association
    * anybody else???

  • I still stick to my claims, UMH, especially since all your contributions to the notorious thread have now disappeared without either a trace or an explanation.

    And since I shall be 79 years old next month, I’m hardly a child, so you get your facts straight.

  • lorraine

    well said trowbridge!

  • Steve

    Trow

    facts matter little to onionists, that onionist in particular exists in a fantasy world of orange good – green bad

  • RepublicanStones

    Trowbridge, apologises don’t know why i was referring to you as Townbridge. Brain Fart we’ll put it down to.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]I still stick to my claims, UMH, especially since all your contributions to the notorious thread have now disappeared without either a trace or an explanation.

    And since I shall be 79 years old next month, I’m hardly a child, so you get your facts straight.”[/i]

    Your request that I be banned is childish behaviour and your memory isn’t too good either. Your claims that I said Ward is guilty is a lie. Get your facts right Ford.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Since Mick Fealty has taken down your latest contribution on the subject on another thread, UMH, after his warning,I suggest you take his repeated advice seriously or you are going to be banned.

  • DC

    Mick why do you allow free reign with UMH, his only sensible post is about paedophile priests, the topic of which rarely arises here on Slugger – even when it does it is still quite tenuous.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Ford, for the last time will you stop trying to single me out, you sad misguided man. There is no reference that all the posts removed on the other thread was because of my last one, so you can stop peddling lies on this thread about my posts. The issue I raised on my last post is a poignant one about the personalities and demeanor of suspects in high profile cases.

  • UMH do you believe in the presumption of innocence?

    Do you believe in equality before the law?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    I’m not taking part in this thread any longer as there seems to be a witch hunt against me and others. Even when I raise a genuine issue on the other thread relating to the robbery, some people start spouting lies about it when it’s deleted, as they obviously think they can black mouth my post when it’s removed. I’ve had enough of the Nazi behaviour on people on this thread.

  • Steve

    LoL righteous indignation, the last bastion of onionist politics

  • At this point, I think it is worthwhile to recall what the perpetrators of the Northern Bank heist attempted, what leading Irish, Unionist, and British politicians tried to make of it, and how poor Chris Ward, of all people, was made a scapegoat of it all when the peace process survived:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/07/northernireland.northernireland

    Now who else besides hardliners in the PIRA Council would have wanted the process to fail?

  • Driftwood

    Any reason the moderators can give as to why the other thread was removed? Other than disapproval of a particular viewpoint?

  • neil

    Your claims [sic] that I said Ward is guilty is a lie.

    No it’s not. One response to a point of mine was “I said Ward took part in the robbery, I never said he planned it”. You sir are the liar.

    there seems to be a witch hunt against me and others

    A) It’s not against you and others, it’s specifically you. Laughable as it is that you were telling RS no-one wants him around here!!! Mate, look in the mirror.

    B) No witch hunt involved. These are statements of fact. Not to worry you can lie your way round this one as the evidence has now been removed, but most of us can remember exactly what you said.

  • Ulster is My Homeland libelled Chris Ward by falsely claiming he had taken part in the Northern Bank robbery, despite the fact that he was cleared of doing so by a court of law just hours earlier.
    By this poster’s twisted logic a shop assistant who hands over money from a till to an armed robber has also taken part in a robbery!
    The poster clearly has no understanding of due process, or libel rules, either that or he is a bigot.
    I really don’t understand why he hasn’t been red carded. People have been banned for much less.

  • Right you are, Neil.

    Those were several of the whoppers that UMH posted – what helped lead to the first, massive removal of posts from the other thread.

    Then UMH, as I recall, claimed that the public perceived Ward to be guilty because he behaved like a conniving criminal, resulting in the second removal of about a dozen or so posts.

    And if you really want to know why, Driftwood, why not ask Mick on the other thread?

  • Jay

    Jimmy

    The PIRA was certainly not “owned” by security forces in the early seventies. But most would agree that outside of a few areas (South Armagh for instance) from the mid 80s and beyond they were chock full of informers and full of holes. What did the PIRA really accomplish militarily outside those pockets of strengh? A bunch of negative publicity inducing blunders were the only operations that went/were allowed to go through.

  • joeCanuck

    Absolutely true, Trowbridge.
    UMH can lie and bluster all he wants but he claimed on a few occasions that Mr. Ward did take part in the robbery and on the renewed thread did say that it was clear from his body language that he was guilty.
    I believe it was because of him (UMH) alone that the threads were removed.
    Pathetic. I have also asked Mick to red card him. He is an absolute troll.

  • Damian O’Loan

    I do think you go a little far as to suggest this without any evidence, but you again raise an interesting point. The idea that you raise is a damaging lack of trust in the security services, that is fostered by a lack of transparency.

    Damaging because perception of the organisation is relevant to its effectiveness. The Alliance motion, which stops short of calling for an Inquiry, is therefore unlikely to lead to vindication of John Ware’s report. But if restricting investigations is how this is ‘resolved’ then there must be a lasting effect on reputation.

    Which calls into question the DUP and SF’s acceptance of the minimal oversight the enormous MI5 operation in NI is subject to. It is interesting that while politics moves towards oversight even of the free markets, on the grounds of systematic failure, the ‘national security’ line remains seemingly unanswerable.

  • Joe Canuck, you should be interested to know that Mick Fealty isn’t even sure that you are complaining about UMH – what he has said on the other thread about the failure to convict Chris Ward for the Northern Bank heist which is now closed down for comment.

    Also, it seems that I am just now getting into complaining about UMH who has been in greater danger of being banned before this dispute ever occurred. Etc.

    All the awards have apparently gone to Mick’s head, and he now thinks he is some kind of minor god.

    Think it’s time to voluntarily vacate myself from the site!

  • ciaran

    Most of the stolen money, O’Callaghan said, was digested through the IRA’s financial system even before the Northern Bank’s reprinted notes hit the streets.”
    Surely if this is true then some of the traceable money would have turned up in circulation by now. Or is O’Callaghan talking out his arse?

  • joeCanuck

    Don’t go Trowbidge. I for one enjoy your contributions.
    For Mick’s benefit, I was indeed,of course, referring to UMH. He has been a persistent classic troll here for quite some time. I’m surprised that he hasn’t yet been carded.
    I don’t envy Mick his job – he obviously can’t monitor everything. Perhaps he needs a few more moderators.

  • Thanks joeCanuck, for your encouragement, though I was not seeking it.

    I fully not only recognize but also sympathize with Mick’s difficulties in both running and maintaining some kind of order on this site.

    But I have no acceptance of his total capitulation to UMH’s libels, especially of Chris Ward, once he stopped it, only to blame the stoppage on me after I complained – what Fealty earlier denied I was not the cause of.

    This is simple gutlessness which I abhor.

    I shall think about any possible future here.

  • 9counties

    why should you leave just because fealty, once again, is letting unionists run amok…umh is taking his cue from baker
    stay on dude

  • lorraine

    don’t go trowbridge, i enjoy your posts……….
    umh is indicative of the malise you and i have to counter through our superior force of argument.

  • joeCanuck

    Success

    ..ááááááá..

  • Rory

    Congratulations, I’m sure, Joe. But success in what? Don’t keep it a secret.

  • Thanks, guys, I shall continue to post as it seems to have some positive effect upon at least some of the site’s posters.

    The blowback from the most ill-advised prosecution of Chris Ward continues, while calls for catching the Provo gang which did it mount.

    Their personnel seem the only ones capable of carrrying out such an operation, as Jonathan McCambridge wrote in yesterday’s Belfast Telegraph: “The problem for the detectives was that they were dealing with a robbery gang who knew how not to get caught.”

    But how can anyone believe that the PIRA was the only organization capable of doing so?

    Captain James Rennie aka Captain Simon Hayward wrote a book about what 14 Intelligence Company operators were taught to do. In The Operators, he discussed a training exercise where they were to kidnap two terrorist in a bank job. (p. 152ff.)

    After the suspects were in the process of being followed and kidnapped after they made their getaway from the bank, Rennie explained, “That
    night we extracted ourselves from the attic (where they had been observing the bank’s entrance), making certain to remove every trace of our presence, and scattering dust back over the areas where our shoes had left patterns on the floorboards.” (p. 155)

    About real operation possibilities, Rennie concluded: “Over a three-day period the instructors laid on a series of realistic and unexpected scenarios for us to cope with, sometimes individually and sometimes in teams.” (p. 156)

    According to the “cackhanded” Rennie, the Northern Bank heist would have been a piece of cake for the 14 Intelligence Company, so why aren’t the police considering it, or the FRU as possible suspects. (And I mention Rennie’s “cackhandedness” (p. 90) while firing with weapons in his right hand to show that he must be Hayward, the guy with the shortened middle and ring fingers on his right hand because of an military accident in Cyprus.)

    Those who continue to do the same fruitless exercises, some well-known philosopher said, are doomed to continuing failure.

  • Thanks, guys, I shall continue to post as it seems to have some positive effect upon at least some of the site’s posters.

    The blowback from the most ill-advised prosecution of Chris Ward continues, while calls for catching the Provo gang which did it mount.

    Their personnel seem the only ones capable of carrrying out such an operation, as Jonathan McCambridge wrote in yesterday’s Belfast Telegraph: “The problem for the detectives was that they were dealing with a robbery gang who knew how not to get caught.”

    But how can anyone believe that the PIRA was the only organization capable of doing so?

    Captain James Rennie aka Captain Simon Hayward wrote a book about what 14 Intelligence Company operators were taught to do. In The Operators, he discussed a training exercise where they were to kidnap two terrorist in a bank job. (p. 152ff.)

    After the suspects were in the process of being followed and kidnapped after they made their getaway from the bank, Rennie explained, “That
    night we extracted ourselves from the attic (where they had been observing the bank’s entrance), making certain to remove every trace of our presence, and scattering dust back over the areas where our shoes had left patterns on the floorboards.” (p. 155)

    About real operation possibilities, Rennie concluded: “Over a three-day period the instructors laid on a series of realistic and unexpected scenarios for us to cope with, sometimes individually and sometimes in teams.” (p. 156)

    According to the “cackhanded” Rennie, the Northern Bank heist would have been a piece of cake for the 14 Intelligence Company, so why aren’t the police considering it, or the FRU as possible suspects. (And I mention Rennie’s “cackhandedness” (p. 90) while firing with weapons in his right hand to show that he must be Hayward, the guy with the shortened middle and ring fingers on his right hand because of an military accident in Cyprus.)

    Those who continue to do the same fruitless exercises, some well-known philosopher said, are doomed to continuing failure.

  • marysavage

    god this is boring so boring it is unbelieveable

  • joeCanuck

    Rory,

    Success in relearning how to make Fádas on a N.A. keyboard.
    Comment was actually meant for another thread.

  • it’s mine too

    Is that fellow UMH, a bit of a nut?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [b]neil[/b]

    ‘Your claims [sic] that I said Ward is guilty is a lie.’

    “No it’s not. One response to a point of mine was “I said Ward took part in the robbery, I never said he planned it”. You sir are the liar.”

    When did I say he was guilty? You sir are a fibber and you’ve managed to fool the 79 year old Ford in the process. Intersting character.

    [b]Paul Panther[/b]

    “[i]Ulster is My Homeland libelled Chris Ward by falsely claiming he had taken part in the Northern Bank robbery, despite the fact that he was cleared of doing so by a court of law just hours earlier.
    By this poster’s twisted logic a shop assistant who hands over money from a till to an armed robber has also taken part in a robbery!
    The poster clearly has no understanding of due process, or libel rules, either that or he is a bigot. [i]

    I’m not a bigot, so spread your propeganda somewheere else.
    Chris Ward was ‘forced’ to take part in the robbery…..are you happy now?

    [i]”Those were several of the whoppers that UMH posted – what helped lead to the first, massive removal of posts from the other thread.

    Then UMH, as I recall, claimed that the public perceived Ward to be guilty because he behaved like a conniving criminal, resulting in the second removal of about a dozen or so posts.

    And if you really want to know why, Driftwood, why not ask Mick on the other thread?

    Posted by Trowbridge H. Ford”[/i]

    Your’re a friggin big whopper. Exposed at last1

  • it’s mine too

    I think he just answered that himself. The rest of you should leave him alone.

  • joeCanuck

    Is that fellow UMH, a bit of a nut?

    He’s a persistent troll. Like all trolls, it’s better not to feed him.

  • I’m still here guys, no matter what libels the moderators allow UMH to say about me.

    I had hoped that someone would have something relevant to say about what others might have committed the Northern Bank heist, especially since those who did went out of their way to make it look as if the PSNI did.

    Until someone adds something relevant, I am going off to write an article about the unexpected death of Austrian troublemaker Jörg Haider – apparently an assassination by his former hardline rightists, led by the Freedom Party’s Heinz-Christian Strache, for betraying the cause to the Israelis, or by the Mossad because of how Haider’s continued existence would help Josef Fritlz explain his continued abuse of his daughter at his trial. Apparently, the Mossad’s continued blackmail of him in its anti-Nazi purposes kept him at it in his cellar.

  • Hey, folks, I’m back, having written the article I proposed, and it can be found on this link:

    http://www.mixx.com/stories/2438608/why_austria_s_j_rg_haider_was_assassinated

    And if link doesn’t work, it can always be found on codshit.com and cryptome.org

    The only thing to add is about Haider’s successor, young Stefan Petzner, who has belatedly claimed that Haider was drunk when the crash happened – what the media has blown up to incredible degrees.

    The facts are that Petzner was one of the last persons to see Haider alive; made no protest when he apparently drove home, while letting his driver off on the way; made no mention of Haider being apparently quite drunk when he got the chance the day after, especially not chastising
    himself for letting it happen; only to come back on line when it looks like he is part of the problem by stating that Haider was thoroughly drunk.

    Still won’t account for the missing woman caller who announced the killing after she had apparently
    helped drive Haider off the road to his death, the fact that the massive car was reduced to a collapsed tin can in the process, the fact that the Austrian police ruled out any foul play or electronic glitchers in the process – what prevented a real inquest into his murder, etc.

    Just shows that British covert operators have no monoply on the deadly process, as I shall show in more revelations about the Northern Bank heist.

    Time to wake up, students!

  • Rory

    POLITICAL WARNING: Driving without due care and attention on the Right in Europe can be seriously damaging to your health.

  • While Rory is quite right with his snide comment about driving on the right in Europe when it comes to avoiding Mossad hit squads, perhaps it is time to bring the thread back to various kinds of hit squads the Brits ran in N. I., apparently including those involved in the Northern Bank heist.

    In order to do so, posters should understand the differences in organization, agenda, modus operandi, etc., of the SAS, FRU, 14 Intelligence Company, etc., – what has been largely incorporated in the Special Reconnaissance Regiment since 9/11.

    In thinking about the 14 Intelligence Company, especially its role – what could easily have been used, either officially or unofficially, in the bank heist, read what Mark Urban has written in Big Boys’ Rules about the assassination of Francis Bradley (pp. 214-6), and Rev. Raymond Murray has added to in The SAS in Ireland, especially Captain Simon Hayward’s leadership role in it. (p. 343ff.)

    In doing so, note that the place where Bradley was assassinated was staked out until he conveniently arrived there, and then he was cut down in a barrage of bullets before he could do anything. The stake-out was clearly not an SAS one, but neither Urban nor Murray apparently knew about the existence of the 14th then, just assuming that it had to be an SAS one.

    And the Bradley assassination was basically carried out to give Hayward apparently an alibi when he, it seems, assassinated Sweden’s statsminister 10 days later.

    With the 14th able to do such a coordinated, undercover operation as the setting up of Bradley in order to give its personnel cover for just about anything, the bank job would have been a piece of cake by any of its employees, whether still on the Crown’s payroll or not.