UUP conference postponed..

There appears to be some disagreement among the sources talking to the BBC about the UUP’s postponed annual party conference now that they’re not talking about a merger..

One party source told the BBC that Mr Cameron was too pre-occupied with the current financial crisis.

But another source close to the negotiations between the parties said that things had not moved as quickly as they wanted and acknowledged there had been difficulties.

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  • fair_deal

    PB

    It’s all DUP spin everything is hunky dory and nothing to see here 😉

  • Pete Baker

    Indeed.

  • Bemused

    The ripples from Limavady B.C. (apt acronym that, in the circumstances) spread far and wide…..

  • fairly similar deal

    It had been postponed for a month, to allow time for a much overdue series of consultation meetings with constituency associations around the country- about the Conservative talks.

    Key word there is ‘postponed’ not cancelled as your new friends tend to do with their conferences, “Fair” Deal. When was the last time there was one??

  • fair_deal

    FSD

    The DUP is holding a conference in November.

  • pith

    Setanta must be relieved they didn’t bid for the TV rights afterall.

  • steve48

    Ahh but will the Executive have met beforehand?

    Will the DARD Minister be back after maternity leave before the next Executive meeting.

    Will Jim Allistair be able to protest at the DUP conference?

    Will Gregory have held the Sam Maguire?

    I suspect we won’t get much movement till after November then, Peter won’t want any restless MLA’s boycotting the back slapping.

  • Michael Shilliday

    Good to hear it FD. That’s what, four years after the last one? New leader avoids all those embarrassing comparisons with the last leaders address.

  • Michael Shilliday

    You forget Steve, DUP MLAs are “unresigned”. That should make them attend.

  • fair_deal

    MS

    “That’s what, four years after the last one?”

    Wrong as usual, the last one was in 2006.

  • February 2006. Which makes it 22 months between conferences/

  • newtory

    So will Basil be at the UUP conference then Chekov/Shillers?

  • Michael Shilliday

    Actually I make it 33 months. Which is only 15 short of four years. So not a bad guess thanks FD.

  • autocue

    Interesting as Chekov and the lamentably predicatable Shilliday contributions are, let’s face it this is embarrassing and further evidence that the full blown merger envisaged by Cameron is not going to be deliverable from Reg’s side.

    I said it would take about 3 months for the wheels to come off this thing – 3 and half isn’t a bad guess….

    newtory

    Why wouldn’t Basil be at the UUP conference?

  • G

    “It had been postponed for a month, to allow time for a much overdue series of consultation meetings with constituency associations around the country- about the Conservative talks.”

    What will be the nature of the consultations? I believe there is no proposal on the table on which to ‘consult’?

  • The Raven

    I wouldn’t say there would need to be a proposal on the table to – if I may engage some management wankspeak – float a balloon of an idea…. 😉

  • frustrated democrat

    The path of true love is seldom smooth, it reminds me of the story of the Ulster fry, the hen made a contribution the pig gave its all.

    It is not difficult to see which is which in this romance and the ‘pig’ (no insult intended) needs to be sure of a lifelong commitment and not a one night stand, hence the delays.

    I believe this is a marriage for life and one which is for the good of all people in NI and one which can bring the Conservative Unionists to power in NI with the backing of Conservative money and expertise.

    DC will be the next PM and is the best guarantee for a fully attached union we have had in a very long time, if there is an engagement it needs to be short and all consuming with a date set for the ceremony without delay.

  • newtory

    “Why wouldn’t Basil be at the UUP conference?”

    Depends whether his touting for a new party has been successful.

    Maybe the usually keen to comment Ulster Unionists would like to expand on it……

  • Michael Shilliday

    Newtory, if I commented on all the nonsense that cropped up on threads in Slugger I’d do little else.

  • aquifer

    Too good to be true. The merger will never happen. The Ould Orange will drag them back and then under.

  • frustrated democrat

    Is Basil joining the TUV, SF or even the Tories, all things may be possible……………. we should be told.

  • ??

    DC will be the next PM and is the best guarantee for a fully attached union we have had in a very long time, …………

    what is cameron going to offer that brown hasnt or isnt?

  • PeaceandJustice

    The UUP have got a chance to show leadership – by merging with the Conservatives. Anything less will not be bought by the voters. What’s the point in voting for the same old UUP with a small Conservative logo hidden somewhere on the manifesto? The Labour minded UUP members should join the UK Labour Party. It would help normalise politics in NI if we had Conservatives, Labour and LibDems in the Assembly (of course at the moment you would hardly know there was any Alliance-LibDem link).

  • Unionist behaviour on Limavaddy borough council may have opened the eyes of the conservatives to some of the troublesome backwoods people lurking in the shadows of the ulster unionist party.
    Warning to conservatives these people may be seriously more trouble than any possible advantage of a merger.

  • frustrated democrat

    ??

    Cameron is not going to be a disinterested spectator or neutral arbitrator, he has said that he actively supports the Union and will be a persuader for it.

    He also wants to have elected members in all parts of the Union something none of the other parties is working towards, in fact they are actively resisting it.

    A Conservative Unionist First Minister and a Conservative Prime Minister will give all of the people in NI the best chance of moving forward to a real new future not the current sectarian stand off that passes for government.

  • lm

    If the ulster unionists need a few more days to do a deal with the conservatives whats the problem,according to the TV the other evening the troubles started in the autumn of 1968.yes 40 yrs ago,lets be patient for a little longer.This deal is potentially the greatest thing in politics for a generation.Didn’t our politicians look pretty feeble over the past two weeks in the midst of the greatest threat to the western world since the 1930’s. Yep time for a change of goverment both in Belfast and London

  • Dewi

    I just think they are skint. Conferences expensive.

  • peter robinson’s mistress

    A Conservative Unionist First Minister and a Conservative Prime Minister will give ‘unionists’ in NI the best chance of moving forward towards ‘majority rule’ again not the current ‘fenian about the place scenario’ that passes for government.

    Posted by frustrated democrat on Oct 08, 2008 @ 10:18 PM

    hmm thats more like it

  • frustrated democrat

    PRM

    That’s the problem you see everything in terms of religion, I don’t. Conservative Unionists will have no interest in a person’s religion they will only be interested in their politics. There will not be a cold house for anyone.

    The decisions I want to see made are those that are in everyone’s best interests you know economy, education, health and other important things. No more worring about sectarian party issues that are currently clogging up the system and policing and justice can be devolved when the rest of the system actually works as it was meant to.

    However there will be no United Ireland in our life time because we all know 2/3 of the people here don’t want it and unionist Catholics will finally have a party they can cast their vote for.

    All I want is for republicans/nationalists and the other parties to work within the agreed system to improve life for everyone and for all to be truly equal. Is that too much to ask for?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Probably the case that Cameron didnt do his homework on this one – it may be of benefit to secular sensible unionists – of which there must be some like ‘frustrated democrat’ – but only negative for the Tories. You only have to look at Wee Reggie’s position on Police and Justice – where there is a real opportnuity for him to seize the Unionist initative with a majority of Unionists in favour of the transfer – to see he will never stray far from the wild men of the DUP for fear of being wiped out.

    Posh boy Dave is not going to like to have to distance himself from the inevitable sectarian outbursts from the his new party members in Norn Iron just for the chance of stating a few funny lines that no one believes i.e. that Norn Iron is as British as Kent.

    Mind you it would be some laugh to hear him defending his party members during their anti-catholic parading on the 12th.

    Prediction: Privately dropped with cover story of ‘talks continuing’.

  • Bigger Picture

    “Where there is a real opportnuity for him to seize the Unionist initative with a majority of Unionists in favour of the transfer”

    Balls

  • frustrated democrat

    Sammy my boy

    There you go, as I said not all view everything in terms of orange and green. I am a small u unionist and a big C Conservative.

    If Conservative Unionists want to parade on the twelth or the fifteenth or play rugby or GAA or football or go to church of any persuasion or none then that is their personal choice as long as it is separate from their politics.

    Having a life or culture doesn’t stop ANYONE being involved in my type of politics.

    By the way I wouldn’t waste money on your prediction, it seems DC may attend the UUP conference in November.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    frustrated democrat

    “If Conservative Unionists want to parade on the twelth or the fifteenth or play rugby or GAA or football or go to church of any persuasion or none then that is their personal choice as long as it is separate from their politics. ”

    The idea that taking part in sectarian marching as nothing to do with politics in Norn Iron is exactly the type of thinking that will/should ultimately lead Posh boy Dave Cameron (PBDC)to conclude that he has quite a bit lose from this arrangemnet.

    “By the way I wouldn’t waste money on your prediction, it seems DC may attend the UUP conference in November. ”

    There is a difference in PBDC havng an afternoon chat with Wee Reggie and the pair getting into bed together.

  • William

    To those poster discussing the DUP and when their last ‘Conference’ was, it should be noted that the DUPes don’t have conferences, when policy is discussed, debate, differences of opinions expressed in such debates. There are no motions from Branches of the party, rather there are a series of speeches where everyone is applauded and not dissent is seen. Should there be any, it would be the end of the dissidents political career in that party.
    Unlike the Ulster Unionists, which is a true Democratic party, the DUP is / was under Paisley a Theocratic party, whilst the SDLP under Hume and probably still is under Durkan, an Autocratic one.
    So don’t listen to the line that the DUPes have conferences; No, they still have political rallies, nothing more.

  • newtory

    Re Basil the political wanderer…

    Not sure if he’ll join the Tories, TUV or anyone else.

    I think he’s not that picky…. whichever will take him.

    Needs must and all that……..

  • Tory

    There won’t be any problems from our side in accepting all those UUP folks who wish to join a new ‘Conservative & Unionist’ organisation.

    Of course, as elsewhere in the country, candidates and elected politicians will be expected to adhere to high standards and sectarian / racist views etc will not be tolerated. The Northern Ireland organisation is and will be the same. The door is and will be open to everyone, but all are expected to uphold the good name of the party.

    However, I am not anticipating any problems in that area.

  • ??

    The idea that taking part in sectarian marching…………

    whats sectarian about celebrating the protestant relegion and the related freedoms from the glorious revolution?

  • Driftwood

    UUP conference postponed.. (37)
    Titanic rescue bid (9)

    Just noticed these threads are beside each other on the home page. Coinicidence?

  • frustrated democrat

    Sammy

    The problem is that you judge everything on your own terms, I don’t.

    Everyone who attends a church is sectarian, do we ban all people who attend churches.

    Where do you want to draw the line, only at Orangeism? Or maybe you want to include the GAA?
    Maybe somewhere else?

    I however assume you will not be a supporter of the new grouping, so your opinion is not all that relevant.

    If you think DC is going to spend a day of his time at the UUP conference for a chat then you are sadly deluded.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Frustrated Democrat, Tory, ??

    To compare a GAA match or an indoor meeting in a private building ie a religious service to the public coat trailing exercise of the OO – often through areas, traditional or otherwise, where they are not welcome and which attract large numbers of inebriated persons chanting offensive anti-catholic rhetoric to often listen to political extremists on the platform is clearly a nonsense.

    Can any of you name a single ‘mainstream’ mainland politican Tory or otherwise who has assoicated himself with these marches?

    Can you imagine how the sectarianism evident in these marches or from the UU in Limivady Council will play with the middle England voters that Posh Boy Dave Cameron (PBDC) is hoping to attract. lol

  • frustrated democrat

    Sammy

    You appear to show you inability to be objective, try looking at all sides for a change.

    If you look on another thread I have asked for someone to give the facts re Limavady I don’t know what they are and have an open mind – do you?

    If an event is sectarian it is sectarian, where it is held is irrelevant. What you are saying it is OK to be sectarian as long as you keep it quiet e.g if the OO members meet in a locked hall they are not the same as those who march on the streets.

    I just don’t agree.

    I am happy to accept all, I don’t have to agree with everthing they do as long as they personally are non violent and do not promote violence.

    Surprise surprise I don’t even agree with everything all the current members in the Conservatives do.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    frustrated democrat

    Most reasonable people – and I am including middle England in that – would make a distinction between a church service and what happens on the 12th July.

    The fact that I have to point this out to you illustrates the difficulty the Tories are going to meet if this marriage goes ahead.

    It is easy to picture PoshBoyDC with a shamrock on his coat it is inconcievable to imagine him wearing the Sash ( or such like ) unless he was keen on political suicide.

  • newtory

    Basil still not had any offers then?

    I’m sure someone of his office would get an offer, not matter what the costs, or maybe I just haven’t made allowance for the fact no-one wants him.

  • Melanie

    “But another source close to the negotiations between the parties said that things had not moved as quickly as they wanted and acknowledged there had been difficulties.”

    Correct. UUP shambolic, Tories fed up.

  • frustrated democrat

    Sammy

    Whether you choose to make a distinction or not they are both sectarian activities.

    Membership of either is irrelevant to being a Conservative, if you don’t condone or take part in violence then you can make any legal peaceful point you wish as long as they are not put forward as party policy if they aren’t.

    There will be no problems in GB they are less concerned with events in NI than the locals here.

    If you want to submit your membership application you can do so on the local Conservative website.