Not everyone loves the Irish…

I have nop idea whether this is a wind up or a put up, but thought it was worth a link, if only by way of introduction to a new Irish blog: Ferdia2010

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  • earnan

    If any European nationality evokes negative reactions, it is French hands down. No comparison

  • Mark McGregor

    Not biting. It’d take a real cabbage to fall for this blatant piece of wind-up, presumably a plant for an op ed next week.

  • circles

    Still your heart goes out to her – it must have been a bitch of a divorce.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Ah, she probably had a row with her Irish husband about who’s turn it was to hang out the washing or whatever!

  • Mick

    True to life as I see it. We’ve changed and less and less people like us.

    Oh to be a Sinn Fein supporter now. All for nothing! What was the point of of the Troubles when it just turned people against us? Irishness is now as hollow an identity as the English.

    I’m glad I’m a social democrat.

  • George

    Rather than less and less people not liking the Irish, it’s more a case of the Irish liking less and less people.

  • Dave

    I think a lot of it is an appeasement mentality that is indoctrinated into the Irish by Europhiles, i.e. that we must surrender our sovereign powers to foreigners because foreigners like us when we do and don’t like us when we don’t.

    This is why Charlie McGreevy tells us that we would be “the laughing stock of Europe” if we voted ‘No’ to the Lisbon Treaty: that the decision to surrender sovereignty must be strongly influenced by what others think of us rather than the merits of the treaty. It is why Biffo tells us that we “will be isolated in Europe” as if loss of friendship was an issue that concerns anyone other than MEPs. In short, we must do whatever will make us liked and avoid asserting any aspects of our independence lest this negatively affects our approval rating.

    So, we have the French midget, Sarkozy, calling us “bloody fools” who “stuffed their faces at Europe’s expense” if we dare to assert our right to vote ‘No’ and risk not being liked by the Europhilic ilk and their media.

    As regards ‘favouritism’ among the Irish in business when abroad: yes, it will get you a sales appointment but it won’t get you the order. 😉

  • Erasmus

    Have just shown this to a female, French, Irish-based friend of mine who thinks the lady (or gent) in question is off her rocker.
    Personally I get the distinct whiff of a plant.
    It is quite well dealt with here:
    http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?f=164&t=41363&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=24
    In particular I think this one hits the nail on the head:
    This link gives a clue as to where all of this is leading:
    http://www.ruthdudleyedwards.co.uk/jour … 06_10.html
    Watch out for an RDE article next week starting with something like the following:
    ‘Last week there was a thought-provoking letter from a plain-speaking French lady.’

  • Skintown Lad

    I remember being on a remote but touristy island in Thailand. Lots of young travellers a la ‘The Beach’.

    I went to find a pub to watch the five nations (as it was then) Ireland-Scotland match. As I was heading out of the hotel a guy in his thirties noticed my top and asked in a familiar accent was I going to watch the match. He was from Leitrim I think. He seemed friendly enough and we found a bar that was showing the match.

    We took our seats next to a group of Irish girls in their mid twenties. We exchanged some cursory pleasantries.

    I chatted a bit to the guy from my hotel. It was a fairly normal conversation and I realised he didn’t really know that much about the rugby. After a while he asked me where I was from and I told him. He replied “Oh right. That’s not so bad that part. Not so many proddy f*ckers there.” I was shocked and to my shame didn’t declare my own background. He obviously assumed because I was supporting Ireland I couldn’t be a “proddy f*cker”. I just smiled weakly and eventually moved to the other side of the table to chat with the girls.

    After a while, an obviously tipsy, podgy English bloke ambled up the table, half watching the match, half looking for company. He looked a bit like a grinning Prince Andrew. I threw out a bit of light banter about England’s performance earlier. He made some quip and we laughed. During a natural break in our exhanges he turned to the girls beside me and said “so you’re all paddies at this table then”, breaking into a chuckle. I grinned and was thinking of some suitable wise crack in return. Before I could say anything, a particularly poisonous girl beside me released the straw from her mouth and shouted “f*ck off you English pr1ck”.

    Never have I felt so out of place amongst my fellow Irishmen and so far from home. I left the table straight away and spent the rest of the night getting hammered with Prince Andy, after quickly distancing myself from what he assumed were my friends.

  • frustrated democrat

    In light of the comments above was she right about chips and shoulders?

  • TAFKABO

    It’s not all bad folks. You can be loved as the good natured scruffy downtrodden bog wogs from across the water, or you can be respected, though not loved, as an economic success story and a people willing to throw off the stereotype and hold your own as an equal.

    Remember, when they were all smiling at you, they were smiling down at you.
    Take it from a Unionist, they may not like us, but by Christ they know we’ll do what we want and fuck the begrudgers.

  • Rory

    It’s hard to know, isn’t it. For some strange reason most people I meet seem to take a liking to me and I have no idea whether this may be because I am Irish or whether it me might be despite the fact that I am Irish. I suppose really it is that people think I may be trustworthy because they know that, unlike John O’Connell, I most certainly am not a social democrat.

  • Rory

    We know Rory from your outbursts that you’re not a social democrat: you’re a Canadian fascist who hates everybody but those who kill for Ireland. Or am I simplyfying it too much – you might just be an antichristian stooge who makes things up about the Irish.

    But, dare I say it, people liked the Irish because they were social conscience-based social democrats. They hate what we’ve become, a band of hedonistic cynics.

  • Dave

    “Take it from a Unionist, they may not like us, but by Christ they know we’ll do what we want and fuck the begrudgers.” – Takabo

    Which is as it should be. You can kick ass or kiss it – or just go about your business not taking any nonsense from others and not proffering any.

    When others have used “intransigence” as a swear word, they have to show ability to compromise – and then they’re the first to be pressurised into compromising whereas no-one bothers getting the inflexible to show flexibility. In effect, the nationalists did your lot a huge service by branding you as uncompromising – albeit unwittingly. 😉

  • earnan

    What does “podgy” mean?

  • Rory

    Just keep eating them Ulster Fries, Earnan, and it won’t be long before you find out at first hand what ‘podgy’ means.

    Meanwhile I’m still trying to work out how I’ve turned into a “Canadian Fascist”.

    A Canadian Fascist, moi? How did oul’ O’Connell spot that Celine Dion cd down the back of me settee?

  • Thanks for the add there !!

  • Ulsters my homeland

    ever notice that when foreigners say they like the Irish is when they are as drunk as a scunk, then they wake up the next morning and find some thieving Irish piki had nicked their socks.

  • runciter

    he turned to the girls beside me and said “so you’re all paddies at this table then”

    What a prick.

  • earnan

    Ulster fries?

    Where I live they are called Freedom Fries (or they were for a little while)

  • blizzard of oz

    I hate to break it to you UMH but when a foreigner refers to an irish person or paddy they’re including you too

  • Damien Okado-Gough

    Ach sure, if you can’t have an aul’ laugh at yourself, you’ve got no right to laugh at onyone else ;o)

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VikrKes3i7I

  • Danny O’Connor

    Just a wind up of course to make all those who voted no go on a guilt trip.Tell all the Paddies how backward they are,now the French (their army in particular)are experts in going backwards.

  • TAFKABO

    the French (their army in particular)are experts in going backwards.

    Last year we buried the missus’ grandfather. One of the nicest men i’ve every met and a man who stoof up and fought the germans when they invaded his country, he spent many years in a POW camp, almost starving to death in the process.
    He was French and had more courage and bravery than you could even begin to imagine.
    What did you do in the war Dave that gives you some right to make the comments you just made?

    Twat.

  • Hugh Dubh Oneil

    Skintown
    Im sorry you had to be subjected to such a sectarian comment by the leitrem lad.But it seems to me that the rest of the table had caused no offence and had been minding their own business until a podgy fatheaded prince andrew lookalike ambled up and proceeded to insult them for no reason.you might not see it an insult to be labeled a paddy and might find it funny but the vast vast majority of irish people do take it as an insult and dont find it funny.I feel that it is hardly “poisonous” behaviour to stand up for yourself as opposed to the alternative ie. “smiling weakely”.
    I myself have been called a paddy by an english guy in thailand.it was new years eve a few years ago and I along with two other irish friends was on the back of one of those truck taxi things.two drunken english guys got on.they heard our accents and at some stage when we passed an open sewer the drunker one said in a really nasty tone” what a stink must remind you of home eh paddys”.Instead of searching for a suitable wisecrack we told the two of them to fuck off and get out of our taxi which they promptly did.

  • circles

    Which war would that be now TAFKABO? I doubt that any of us here actually made it out early enough to make the second world war – except maybe Rory 😉
    The fact that your father in-law was french has probably very little to do with the fact that he was brave. The french have their own shameful side too – forced labour in their clonies, Algeria, Elf-Aquitaine……
    Still – no reason to call Dave a twat – especially when it was Danny who made the remark that got your trunks so twisted!

  • circles

    Add: Just to clarify – the the shameful side of the french also has nothing to do with their nationality I imagine, and more to do with the fact that they are human.

  • steve

    Earnan

    Obviously you are an american as even a simple Canadian like myself knows that an ulster fry is breakfast

    eggs, bacon, half a tomato and soda bread

  • Rory

    “…eggs, bacon, half a tomato and soda bread ”

    …and the rest, Steve. Don’t forget sausage, black pudding, white pudding,mushrooms, fried wheaten bread and maybe a few fried potatoes just for balance.

  • Rory

    Circles,

    Avoid mention of my wartime record, if you please, you’ll only have me blushing. I disdain all recognition of my sacrifice (though cheques and postal orders may be sent to: )

  • Congal Claen

    Rory,

    “black pudding, white pudding”

    I’ll hear no more of this! Outsider!! ;0)

    Anyhow, back to the blog, I reckon the writer is onto something. A memory of mine was attending a “beer festival” with one of the German beer bands. I’d been looking forwar to it for a while as I’d missed the ones in Queen’s as they’d just been banned. This one was upstairs in Morrisons. Started of alright, although with a disappointing turnout. However, after about an hour the crowd got fed up with the German songs (at a German beer festival? ffs!) and “forced” the band to start a karaoke singing the normal auld guff. Fekking embarrassing!

  • barnshee

    French friends (admittedly poor unsophisticed Parisiens) refer to the Irish as “soûlard” as an expression of the state they see them in most often.

  • Oilifear

    I put down O Connor’s deluded self-loving non-sense as quickly as I tune out of the same deluded self-loving non-sense whenever I hear it. God bless this poor French woman for the strength of stomach to have read it through to the end.

    We do need to wake up to ourselves. The world does not love us. Most of the world does not even know we exist. We are the greatest of navel-gazing, self-absorbed and self-congratulatory boors.

    This woman, for all her barbs, demonstrates that most quintessential of French qualities: the ability to tell someone how truly stupid they are just at the moment they imagine themselves the cleverest. The truth might be ugly, and painful, but if we learn from it then we will be better for it. If we turn our backs on it, we stay as we were: fools imagining themselves as genius.

    (And although it hasn’t been remarked yet – from what I have read above – I will add that the “qualities” our Gallic friend described are not possessed only by those of us that are Irish nationalists, but have also been amply demonstrated by Irish unionists too. They are the genuinely shared tradition of all us from this island.)

  • Congal Claen

    Agreed Olifear,

    I take it you are also dismayed at the number of Irish pubs you see when on holiday. Fek me, why not just stay at home? Only surpassed by all the British pubs. As, you say “a genuinely shared tradition” in these islands.

  • Danny O’Connor

    I am not bothered in the least by criticism from the French,if it is ok for a French person to make comments about the Irish being stupid then I as an Irish person have the right to reply.
    The point is that they didn’t call us stupid when thousands of Irishmen spilled their blood fighting for their freedom in two world wars.
    My great grandfather was killed at the somme in 1916 leaving a wife and 3 young children and another on the way.My uncle went up Sword beach on D-Day,so I will not take any lectures from any Francophillian twat.

  • Dave

    Oilifear, it doesn’t surprise me at all that a self-loathing Irishman would be an ardent Europhile. One of the ‘qualities’ of quislings who wish to delegate sovereignty to others is a lack of confidence to exercise sovereignty.

    Tafkabo, I suggest you target your “twat” remark to person whose comment you are addressing rather than make a twat out of yourself by mixing up posters’ monikers – no doubt due to tear-filled bug-eyes weeping about French surrender-monkeys. I am unimpressed with vulgar loud mouths attached to unfilled craniums.

  • Oilifear

    I ignored your earlier post, Dave, and I’ll ignore that one. No doubt it’s because of one EU-orchestrated mind-control plot or another, but in my ignorance I believe it’s because you are a troll and I’m not going to feed you.

  • Dave

    I’m too good-looking to be a troll. 😉

    Well, I guess I’ll just have to learn to live without your predictable pro-EU spiel coming my way. Besides, I’ll always have this unintentionally hilarious feat of collective arse-kissing to remind me of your finer moments:

    “This woman, for all her barbs, demonstrates that most quintessential of French qualities: the ability to tell someone how truly stupid they are just at the moment they imagine themselves the cleverest. The truth might be ugly, and painful, but if we learn from it then we will be better for it. If we turn our backs on it, we stay as we were: fools imagining themselves as genius.”

    At least I can be sure that you didn’t parrot that piece of toadying waffle from your usual sources.

  • Oilifear

    Quisling! … Traitors! … Bark Bark Bark! … shine on you crazy diamond!

  • steve

    Rory
    …and the rest, Steve. Don’t forget sausage, black pudding, white pudding,mushrooms, fried wheaten bread and maybe a few fried potatoes just for balance.

    Ive been offered the sausage and black pudding depending on the quality of the establishment but what the feck is white pudding

    and we both forgot about the beans

    I was purely amazed how much you guys eat baked beans

  • Dave

    Oilifear, stop trolling. You lose the high moral ground when you do what you have just accused another of doing – plus, of course, you tend to look a bit thick and impulsive. 😉

  • Rory

    “I was purely amazed how much you guys eat baked beans ”

    Steve,

    I think the yanks might beat us hands down in the baked beans stakes. Don’t they call Boston, “Bean Town” and Boston natives “Beaners”? And what about this recently unearthed film from a sociological study of dietary habits among US workers in the livestock industry?

    p.s. White pudding is like black pudding…except that it is white funnily enough. It is…. oh, bloody hell, here, have a read for yourself. I find it a really tasty delicacy with a good peppery tang.

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-white-pudding.htm

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

    Doesn’t anyone else find it funny that there are these contributors to this thread eagerly cheering on the insults heaped upon the Irish by this anonymous (maybe fictitious?) Frenchwoman when they thenselves are also Irish and presumably therefore also subject to inclusion in the insult? Is it that they imagine that by some magical property of personal excellence they are somehow exempt from inclusion in this blanket denigration of Irishmen? Or is it perhaps simply Kevin Myers writing under cover of a variety of pseudonyms?

  • barnshee

    “Doesn’t anyone else find it funny that there are these contributors to this thread eagerly cheering on the insults heaped upon the Irish by this anonymous (maybe fictitious?) Frenchwoman when they thenselves are also Irish and presumably therefore also subject to inclusion in the insult? Is it that they imagine that by some magical property of personal excellence they are somehow exempt from inclusion in this blanket denigration of Irishmen”

    Well ye see sorr we does just brandish ur British Passports at em they say “citizen of the u nited king dom of great britan an Northern Irelan” inside. so we ken point at them paddies an say naot us sorr

  • Rory

    Begobs, Barnshee, I see how that might work.

  • HeadTheBall

    Sad to see us matching this unhappy lady’s vitriolic generalizations with equally vitriolic generalizations against the undeserving French. In the retreat before Hitler’s panzers many an isolated French unit fought to the last man and the last bullet. As for the lady herself, if she dislikes us that much she simply need not repeat the visit to Ireland that upset her so much. I am sure the Irish people (and the Irish economy) will get along very well without her.

    Living as I do in a rural area of Australia I rarely get the chance to consort with my fellow Irish, but when I do (Patrick’s Day, the odd rugby international, etc) they are invariably a delight to be among, so as Taf implied: “Feck the begrudgers”.

  • TAFKABO

    Dave.

    I owe you an apology, the remark was aimed at Danny.

    Danny, the fact that your grandfather had courage doesn’t mean you have the right to resort to crude ill informed racist stereotypes.
    Isn’t that kinda what your grandfather was fighting against in the first place?

  • Well, I suppose if you look at Ireland through the prism of the Sunday Independent, then yes, we are going to look like a bunch of arseholes. Particularly if you think that Brendan O’Connor is one of our spokesmen.

  • Danny O’Connor

    There was nothing ill informed about it,if people insult the Irish for being stupid ,they should not be surprised.Read what she said.I have visited France and visited the war graves.Maybe the thousands of Irishmen- all volunteers- who died there were fighting in a war, leaving widows and orphans at home,for the rights of this bitch to call us stupid would have been better staying at home.

  • Martin

    Ah the truth hurts.what the French lady said is pretty much all true.The Irish are the first people to approach uninvited[usually in a drunken state] persons of a different nationallity and criticise those peoples countries all in the name of slagging which really translates as a moron wearing the ears off someone they dont know with a diatribe of verbal abuse, instead of getting all defensive about it,why not learn from it and learn that if we are determined to dish it out we can expect to get it back–overall what is there really to like about the Irish anymore.

  • wasting time

    I’ve been around, maybe not as much as some here, but I’ve never had any problems abroad. I’ve always found being Irish as a plus, as most people will assume that you are harmless and just want to have the craic, which is true in most cases.

    I’ve gotten straight into beer tents at Octoberfest in Munich, skipping past a two hour queue flashing the green card, I’ve had a large number of Spanish sing Molly Malone to me at a wedding in Madrid and friends of mine managed to avoid a severe beating in Prague as they were initially mistaken for English by a gang of thugs, but they quickly put them straight. In fact, the only time I get hassle abroad is when I’m being mistaken as being English. Of course as a comedian once said, if you are behaving badly abroad, you can pretend to be English! 😉

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Martin, I take it then, that you don’t live in any part of Ireland? Cos if you do, how do you cope?

  • Martin

    I do live in Ireland–my family and some very good friends are only ones that I give a damn about .with the remainder im very wary and long ago mastered the art of of excusing myself and going to the toilet never to come back ,the minute they attempt to bore me,or waste my time listening to their issues and hangups

  • liam

    Nice to see our friend from the far right of the blogsphere, Andy Pandy has dropped in to comment on the above mentioned blog 🙂