Obama is underperforming. Why?

Some reasons here perhaps why Obama seems to be flunking the race (at this moment in time). Longer version added.

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  • Barak Obama

    Is it cos I is black?

  • IRIA

    Not sure I’d say he’s underperforming. McCain has what is callled the “post convention bounce”. This will be his/their high water mark. If you’ve noticed, McCain is now attempting to steal Obama’s “change” meme. Attacking Obama for his “inexperience” didnt’ work not running on nothing but the “surge”(Iraq) didn’t work, so he’s adopting “change”. Nobody believes he is an agent of change and bit by bit his VPs “lies”(the word being used) regarding the “Bridge to Nowhere, etc.” are being exposed. Neither are reformers.

    One thing that gets lost by the media and overseas is that Obama’s team is NOT the same recycled team Gore(2000) and Kerry(2004) used. These Chicago guys are good and have a carefully mapped out campaign, down to their coup de grace on Election Day (i.e. Tons of $$ spent on ground game which has NEVER been done before).

  • “These Chicago guys are good and have a carefully mapped out campaign, down to their coup de grace on Election Day”

    Ballot box stuffing?

  • Conservatives need to calm down. McCain goes about 1% ahead in the polls the week after his convention and still trails on most electoral college models. Meanwhile, two fairly hard conservatives say that working-class white people won’t vote for a flighty, uppity, ‘exotic’ person, but this has nothing to do with Obama’s ‘race’ but his ‘foreignness’.

    I don’t see the story here Mick.

  • Greenflag

    Give it a week or two for the hype to die down and for Mrs Palin to put her well manicured foot in it when she gets to face some tough interviewing by the mob sorry media 🙂

    It’ll be the economy on the day . What a contrast with Northern Ireland where the election results can be largely predicted based on the last census results :(.

  • Mick Fealty

    4% ahead according to RCP. And Beinhart is author of a book called, “Why Liberals—and Only Liberals—Can Win the War on Terror”. That’s not conservative in my book.

    The point? Notwithstanding the point about the ground war, the Dems need to fight like they mean to win, not like they expect to win.

  • No, Real Clear Politics has McCain up by 2.7%, and its averages are always a fraction more Republican-friendly than pollster.com (currently giving McCain a 0.7% lead).

    I probably mischaracterised Beinart a liberal but if he is a Democrat, then he is clearly from the Demo-hawk/Scoop Jackson Society wing of the party which has always been hostile to anti-war Obama.

    The groundwar point bears repeating – while absolutely useless if the airwar goes badly wrong, Obama has registered 300k voters in Virginia since the start of the year, reportedly more than that in North Carolina. That makes a big difference. In 2008 Republicans had a masterful ground game but McCain seems unable to replicate Bush’s success in that sphere.

  • The McCainers are having to work overtime here.

    Senator McCain’s campaign manager is on recent record as saying, “This election is not about issues” but rather about “a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.” That is because the McCain campaign largely rests on avoiding the Republican legacy, while depicting Obama, as yesterday’s New York Post did:

    McCain’s lifelong record of service to America, his battle-tested courage, unshakeable devotion to principle and clear grasp of the dangers and opportunities now facing the nation stand in dramatic contrast to the tissue-paper-thin résumé of his Democratic opponent, freshman Sen. Barack Obama.

    This, undoubtedly has some ad-hominem resonance. So, the Obama response must be ad-rem. And the matter is substantial: rising unemployment, a stagnant economy, home-foreclosures, two unpopular foreign wars, a creaking infrastructure… Accordingly, Senator Obama’s response was, “I think that the American people expect it to be about the issues. They deserve it to be about the issues. That’s what we’re going to keep on pressing in the weeks that will remain.”

    However, if it is to be ad-hominem, the McCain machine has two full months to practise becoming slicker:

    to inform Senator McCain what his property assets actually are;
    to persuade the Senator’s wife not to indulge in the “bling” she displayed at St Paul;
    and
    to make sure that Governor Palin does not have too many more skeletons in her cupboard.

    Today’s revelations about that self-proclaimed pillar of financial rectitude involve:

    an allowance claim for 312 nights (in just nineteen months) for overnight stays while she was actually … err … at home;
    some strange travel expenses, included in a total of $43,500 for her family members;
    food allowances and more.

    The Governor’s expenses are not scrutinised, but allowed on a block claim. We may remember how that panned out with the dear (in every sense) members of our own Parliament and Assembly.

    The defence (that she is not so blatant a blagger as her predecessor) may not work, especially when the list of counts against Republican Senator for Alaska, Ted Stevens, seems to grow daily. Even the boast that she sold off the Gubenatorial private jet should be taken well-salted: Alaska tried to unload it on eBay and bore a $600.000 loss on the deal.

  • 6countyprod

    Obama talks about ‘change’, but where are the examples of him actually doing anything about it? McCain and Palin had executed change, they don’t just talk about it and make up slogans as they go along.

    Barack isn’t underperforming, how can he? He has no record of performing to compare underperforming with!

    He peaked with his rhetoric too soon, and he is now running out of stream. As he struggles to match even Palin’s résumé, it leaves McCain away out in front, in a class of his own.

    I love IRIA comments:
    These Chicago guys are good and have a carefully mapped out campaign, down to their coup de grace on Election Day (i.e. Tons of $$ spent on ground game which has NEVER been done before).

    Yea, Chicago tactics. Maybe that’s part of Obama’s problem. People are learning about his Chicago dealings.

  • Oh, and don’t lay too much money on crude percentages.

    First, all the polls warn about a margin of error: typically 2%, but some go as high as 4%. Rasmussen has a further complication, by reporting a three-day moving average, so today’s poll:

    John McCain and Barack Obama now each attract 46% of the vote. When “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 48% and Obama 48%

    might imply a significant overnight shift.

    There’s an interesting take on this by the academics of the Political Forecasting Special Interest Group. They use statistical jiggery-pokery that eludes me. However, in the last two days they have downgraded McCain from 50.3% to 48.2% (which, I think, I comprehend). Thus Obama is 3.6% ahead in the “Polly vote”.

    Second, as we saw in 2000, a bare majority in the national popular vote is immaterial. Its the Electoral College that elects the President. As of the last show I saw, that’s 217 to 174 in favour of Obama, with 147 as “toss-up” States. When an attempt is made to refine that further, it comes out as 273-265.

  • Oh, and don’t lay too much money on crude percentages.

    First, all the polls warn about a margin of error: typically 2%, but some go as high as 4%. Rasmussen has a further complication, by reporting a three-day moving average, so today’s poll:

    John McCain and Barack Obama now each attract 46% of the vote. When “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 48% and Obama 48%

    might imply a significant overnight shift.

    There’s an interesting take on this by the academics of the Political Forecasting Special Interest Group. They use statistical jiggery-pokery that eludes me. However, in the last two days they have downgraded McCain from 50.3% to 48.2% (which, I think, I comprehend). Thus Obama is 3.6% ahead in the “Polly vote”.

    Second, as we saw in 2000, a bare majority in the national popular vote is immaterial. It’s the Electoral College that elects the President. As of the last show I saw, that’s 217 to 174 in favour of Obama, with 147 as “toss-up” States. When an attempt is made to refine that further, it comes out as 273-265.

  • Dave

    Unfortunately the voters can’t compare Palin’s record in executive office (including such choice snippets as touted by Obama’s self-appointed lackeys) with Obama’s record in executive office because, err, Obama doesn’t any experience of executive office.

    Yes, great thinking there: when in an economic crisis, send in the clowns… preferably an unimpressive teaching instructor with a penchant for self-aggrandisement who bogusly refers to himself as ‘a constitutional law professor’ when he has never, in actuality, held any such position – nor has his ‘genius’ left any trace in academia. Obama may well be a genius whose Midas touch and expert business knowledge will revitalise the American economy but there is no evidence whatsoever – such as a successful business career – to support such deranged claims. If you have a brain haemorrhage, you put your faith in an experienced surgeon, not a student nurse with a first aid kit who carries a lantern to strike a neat pose as a latter-day Florence Nightingale.

    You’ll have as much luck with the proverbial Fanny from Omaha as you’ll have with this clown – let’s just hope that his 300 paid foreign policy advisers aren’t transferred onto the government payroll if Americans are dumb enough to buy this pig in a poke. One foreign policy adviser seems redundant when the ‘genius’ is all-knowing but just how lame does he have to be to need 300 of them?

    Wait, you don’t think that excessive number might have something to do with cynical ploys to persuade folks that his lack of foreign policy experience doesn’t matter? No, he’d never pull a conman’s stunt like that just to fool the gullible, spending his campaign money on such trickery to buy an election. He’s just not like that, you know.

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/04/professor_obama.html

  • fair_deal

    MR

    “Senator McCain’s campaign manager is on recent record as saying, “This election is not about issues” but rather about “a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

    So the McCain campaign manager has worked out that people are electing a president i.e. a person as opposed to a party with a manifesto?

    “Today’s revelations…”

    Which turn out to be as much a crock as the previous ones. Palin may very well have “skeletons” but so far its mostly been a pile of horse manure. Also if they do find one she’ll probably get some benefit of the doubt because of the junk fest over the past couple of weeks. They should go digging but wait until they have the actual bones before going to print (or screen).

  • 6countyprod

    Malcolm and Sammy,
    You don’t need to get so upset about fluctuations in the polls. They will keep changing until the last minute, and even the very last minute poll will not be accurate.

    But something fundamental has changed in McCain’s favour. Gallup says:
    John McCain’s 6 percentage-point bounce in voter support spanning the Republican National Convention is largely explained by political independents shifting to him in fairly big numbers, from 40% pre-convention to 52% post-convention in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.
    By contrast, Democrats’ support for McCain rose 5 percentage points over the GOP convention period, from 9% to 14%, while Republicans’ already-high support stayed about the same.

    That, along with an enthused Republican base, and the advent of Palin, spells big danger for Obama.

    But ya gotta feel sorry for the guy. He tried so hard to impress us euroweenies, and obviously succeeded (BBC poll), but now look at the thanks he gets from all those rednecks.

  • What a contrast with Northern Ireland where the election results can be largely predicted based on the last census results :(.

    How can this be? We are repeatedly assured that only one community here in Northern Ire… er, the nor… er, Ulst… er, the occupied… I mean the province… er, in this place is sectarian!

  • frustrated democrat

    MR

    You really are obsessed with Palin, do you spend every waking hour trying to dig dirt on her?

    Your comments will make no difference to the result and your time will have been wasted…it’s all over, the US electorate will not elect a black man to be President, especially one who is not qualified for the job, maybe in another 20 years.

  • Greenflag

    Korea supports Obama 🙂

    News just in ,

    If you thought that the government’s seizure of Fannie Mae (FNM, news, msgs) and Freddie Mac (FRE, news, msgs) would bring stability to the nation’s financial system and boost stocks, you have to hate today’s stock market.

    Financial stocks are getting hammered again, with investment bank Lehman Bros. (LEH, news, msgs) battered after a Korean bank backed away from talks to buy a stake. At 2 p.m., Lehman shares were down 45% to $7.79.

    By the time November comes around the USA will know all about Mrs Palin’s ‘padding of expense accounts ‘ and even more about the four churches she has belonged to – three of them certified end of days ‘barking ‘ mega churches !

  • Greenflag

    notmyopinion.

    ‘How can this be? We are repeatedly assured that only one community here in Northern Ire… er, the nor… er, Ulst… er, the occupied… I mean the province… er, in this place is sectarian!

    As they say in Jerusalem to Palestinians

    ‘Why don’t you just f**k off back to some place you don’t come from 🙂

  • 6countyprod

    Hey, talking about Rednecks, y’all gotta read this, hot in from the BBC.

    It’s hilarious and helps me to understand why I love Americans so much… cos I’m a redneck:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7600000/7600592.stm

  • Greenflag

    And yet another corrupt Republican on the hook:(

    Must be near damn all of them by now ?

    “A former top aide to Republican Rep. John Doolittle pleaded not guilty Monday to public corruption and obstruction of justice charges in an indictment that provides new details about links between the California Republican congressman, his wife Julie and convicted superlobbyist Jack Abramoff.

    The Roseville congressman and his employees were showered with free lunches and tickets to concerts and sporting events, according to the indictment. In exchange, Doolittle provided legislative favors to Abramoff’s clients, including work on a $16 million appropriation and a bill to provide statehood to Puerto Rico, the indictment said.

    In addition, Abramoff provided Doolittle’s wife with a job in which she received $96,000 working for a non-profit group, according to the indictment. It said Abramoff sent an e-mail to a consultant of the company, saying: “I want her to help, but not be overburdened with work.”

    GF comment

    ‘Isnt that just ‘brilliant’ She likes the money but does’nt want to work for it – Nothing like that good old can do GOP ‘work ethic ‘ Ye just can’t beat it 🙁

    Later, Abramoff canceled a charity event that Doolittle’s wife was working on, but she continued to receive $5,000 for month “purported for marketing ideas” for a restaurant, the indictment said.

    The 46-page indictment against Kevin Ring, a former legislative director for Doolittle who then went to work for Abramoff, includes previously undisclosed e-mails that give a blow-by-blow account of Doolittle’s lengthy dealings with Abramoff, who was sentenced Thursday to four years in prison.

    Doolittle dined with Abramoff in some of Washington’s finest restaurants, met with him in his office and asked the superlobbyist to provide his wife with a job and his campaign with political contributions, which Abramoff did, the indictment said.

    In exchange for legislative favors, Abramoff and Ring provided Doolittle with four suite tickets to a Dixie Chicks concert at the MCI Center, four suite tickets to a Faith Hill concert at the same arena and an entire suite for an event at Camden Yards in Baltimore, the indictment said. Doolittle’s aides received free tickets to watch Bruce Springsteen and the Washington Capitals hockey team, according to the indictment.

    The dealings between Abramoff and Doolittle were so extensive that, at one point, Doolittle’s chief of staff sent an e-mail to Ring saying the congressman “felt like a subsidiary” of the lobbying firm. FBI agents raided Doolittle’s home in Virginia last year.

    The indictment did not specifically mention Doolittle but referred to him as “Representative 5” and noted that he represents a California congressional district. It also said that Ring, 37, worked as a staff member for “Representative 5” from 1993 to 1998, dates that match his employment with Doolittle. And a source close to the case confirmed that the representative in question is indeed Doolittle.

    Doolittle denies any wrongdoing.

    David Barger, Doolittle’s attorney, said: “It is clear that portions of the indictment of Kevin Ring are written with gratuitous references to the Congressman and his wife to titillate the public, with the foreseeable and therefore intended consequence of attempting to embarrass and pressure the Congressman.”

    Abramoff was sentenced Thursday to four years in prison for tax evasion, fraud, and conspiracy to bribe public officials in connection with defrauding casino-rich Indian tribes and encouraging former congressional staffers to violate a one-year lobbying ban.

    Doolittle said in May 2007 that he had turned down an offer by prosecutors to plead guilty because he had not done anything wrong. Earlier this year, Doolittle announced that he would be stepping down at the end of his term.

    GF -final comment

    ‘Is there even one of these GOP gangsters who has not been caught with both hands , feet , tongue and either wife or mistress in the till ‘

  • willis

    Cheers 6coP

    That’s 2 great posts today. You may enjoy this, then again maybe not.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/beth-arnold/can-democrats-learn-to-sp_b_124219.html

  • willis

    Even better

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/02/uselections2008.johnmccain

    I am an Appalachian native who grew up dirt-eating poor. Yet I have managed to live a couple of decades in the middle class as a news reporter, magazine editor and publishing executive. I know the liberal middle class is condescending to working-class redneck culture – which is insulting, but not a crime. The real crime is the way corporate conservatives lie to my people, screw us blind, kill us in wars and keep us in economic serfdom.

    You found a seam of pure gold there 6co.

  • Mick Fealty

    Okay. I’ve a couple of friends whose judgement I really rate who say the generational shift in this election will take care of all of this by the end. I also have a friend who’s manned the phones in previous democrat elections, who is firmly pro choice who’s now voting for the McCain/Palin ticket That’s a tiny sample of all possible reactions, and I don’t pretend to understand the complexities of a country that’s four or five times the size of the UK and Ireland. Although reading the thoughts of some eloquent US citizens, I am not sure many of them do either.

    Mike Moore has a book out for this campaign in which he notes that liberals are very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. A perfect example (not sure if it is mentioned in the book) of which was his position in the 2000 election that there was no difference between Gore and Bush, and that people should vote Nadar.

    He’s spent most of the last eight years making what have often been egregious attacks on Bush presumably in a vain attempt to assuage his own guilt over such a monumental misjudgement. My working theory is that this self perpetuating pessimism (also discussed in the video above) is one of the reasons why so few on the left are prepared to take a long cold hard look at the Palin challenge and work an effective response to it.

    The country’s disaffection over Bush is real enough. Thus the pro-Democrat bent in all the polls throughout the summer and up to now. The Palin counterploy (and the near magical disappearance of Bush from his prime time Convention slot) and then the Dem netroots reaction to it, is obscuring that underlying condition.

    Here’s some extracts from Meg McArdle’s blog http://tinyurl.com/5eh3pu written just after the Palin speech last week. My advice to any real Democrat supporters who might be reading this is to drink very deeply from this particular font:

    # Many Democratic bloggers are itching to go after this woman for all of her perceived flaws. I understand why, but if they do so, they are very likely to get McCain elected. If I were a Democratic strategist right now, I would be telling the campaign to pretend she doesn’t exist. There is simply no way to attack her without alienating the swing voters they need by sending the message: “People like you are idiots who can’t be trusted to make important decisions”, and also, triggering the social opprobrium that falls on men who say nasty things about women. What can I say? Sometimes sexism works in womens’ favor.

    # The “hockey Mom” schtick is a political lie. You could not possibly be a hockey Mom and the vice president of the United States, or for that matter, governor of Alaska. Todd is a hockey Mom. Sarah Palin, whatever she has done in the past, is now exactly like male politicians: someone else is doing the main work of raising her kids. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, of cours, and as political hogwash goes, it’s pretty low-grade.

    # I’ll be surprised if McCain doesn’t get a sizeable convention bump. Democrats are in denial about the trouble–which I too find inexplicable–that the Obama campaign is in.

    # As a person I like her. Politically, I dislike what she represents: populism, culture warmongering, and especially, the notion that if a woman is to hold power, she has to make herself non-threatening by emphasizing her domesticity and fertility. I don’t blame her for doing these things, since they seem to work. But I don’t like living in a society where this works.

  • O gosh! Three — count them, three abusive postings in a dozen minutes. And it’s all the old gang! Wow! They really do go out mob-handed.

    I’m not quite sure what their contributions add to the general sum of human knowledge; but as I’m sure they all have a personal hot-line to the senior Senator for Arizona, it must all be good stuff. So the rest of this post is as helpful, informative, and relevant as theirs. But more equanimous, I trust (oh yes, add to the list below that I found time to have a stroll through the shrubbery of the Oxford Reference sites, courtesy of my on-line public library subscription — another achievement of the Labour Government).

    So, frustrated democrat, did I spend “every waking hour” on any one topic? Not really, except thanking the powers that might be that I don’t have to relate to retards all the time, any more.

    Let’s see: since you ask, and I’m honour bound to give a straight answser …
    Today I:

    sorted out the problems of the world with wife, daughter and pot of coffee;
    despaired of ever again having a lawn dry enough to mow;
    dealt with a bit of correspondence;
    built a book-case;
    dissected the broadsheets over a couple more cups of decent coffee;
    shelved a couple of hundred texts off the attic floor;
    browsed a couple of chapters from books that I’d forgotten about;
    hoovered a fair bit as a result of earlier activities;
    felt the need of a shower and change (and pot of tea);
    was caught out by Andy @ 04:50 PM on the other thread;
    checked it out and found he was right;
    resolved thereupon to brush up the early Victorian period as a result;
    had to confirm that I’d got my bits of Yeats still off-by-heart properly;
    burnished one of my blogs a bit;
    had a quick swing through the other usual e-haunts;
    finished off an adequate bottle of wine over a decent meal;
    loaded the re-mastered Waylon Jennings box set onto the iPod, and am now under the Sennheisers foot-tapping through them (Ha! twin-tasking!).

    It’s a hard life, this retirement lark, keeping the Alzheimer’s at bay

  • ??

    “three abusive postings in a dozen minutes.”

    What “abusive postings”?

  • Mr E Mann

    >err, Obama doesn’t any experience of
    >executive office.

    That’s a loser for the GOP because zero is also the amount of executive experience that McCain has.

  • Mick Fealty @ 10:24 PM:

    A pithy post: there’s a lot that chimes there.

    Two points in particular coincide with my experience:

    One: “The country’s disaffection over Bush is real enough”.

    My experience is that “disaffection” puts it mildly. I could cite several exchanges with total strangers which produced instant visceral disgust at the Bush administration, and in locations as diverse as Seattle, Boston and the Jersey Shore. It would be different, of course, in the “fly-over States”.

    Two: Moore has a record, but not one I particularly respect. I’ll accept his good intentions, but did Fahrenheit 9/11 add anything (except popular currency, in both senses) to what (for example) Craig Unger had advanced in House of Bush, House of Saud? I see that Cynthia McKinney (the Green Party nominee, who is unknown outside Georgia, I guess) is still ploughing that furrow.

    The awful parallel in my mind is canvassing in the 1979 General Election, with those Trot fellow-travellers whose parrotted line was “critical support” for Labour. That’s symptomatic of what gave us Thatcherism. Similarly, playing footsie with Nader was seriously damaging, and probably decisive in New Hampshire and Florida.

    As for the Palin candidacy, there are some outstanding questions lurking in my mind:

    Is it a good thing for the number-two to be such a critical focus (apparently) in the post-Convention bounce? That was the argument, in part, of not having Clinton as Obama’s Veep: if the second-on-the-ticket is there to add weight, why isn’t he/she at number one? The Democrats learned that lesson with the Dukakis-Bentsen ticket in 1988: Bentsen was clearly the more attractive candidate, and the one to add gravitas. Of course, that’s not quite the problem with the McCain/Palin pairing.

    Despite the accusation aimed at my opinions here, I’m not obsessive with Palin. However, she does seem a trifle, well, flakey. Once the new wears off, what then? Either she disappears (many Veep candidates have) or she grates. I recall what happened the last time the Republicans pulled a Presidential candidate from Arizona: he was derided with the amended slogan, “In your guts you know he’s nuts” and the Veep candidate was plucked from Strategic Air Command: hence “Bombs away with Curt LeMay — it didn’t take long for the Republicans to confine him to base. Governor Palin doesn’t seem to have any intention to play nice: the lipsticked pit-bull is an amusing concept, but … will it play in Peoria?

    Finally, note the Doonesbury strip today: is Rick’s assumption one that’s prevalent among the US journos?

  • latcheeco

    Just in,
    NBC/WSJ poll: Obama/McCain dead heat as predicted (Obama still up one overall with, as expected, some white women,going over to Jesus’s pitbull) and I suspect she is now gonna catch hell (or Armageddon depending on your beliefs) and Reps will then whinge that dems are beating up their attack dog.

  • latcheeco

    Seems you couldn’t resist the little swipe at Americans Mick. Read slightly less patronising than UMH’s posts, except in a Bangorese accent:)

  • Mick Fealty

    Sorry latch, I couldn’t resist it. Truthfully, I ping between being confused and bemused with the online political commentary.

    Will try to behave more civilly in future.

  • latcheeco

    We shelter under the umbrella of you benificence Mick 🙂 Thanks for the opportunity and no offence taken (but free the Kensei one!).
    Here it’s too close to call but at heart its not very sophisticated,even if people pretend it’s otherwise. A male white dem would have romped home. Republicans are so bad they are relying on cute (and getting away with it). It will boil down to economy versus black guy, which is worse? (as opposed to being bemused at huns v taigs ;).

  • frustrated democrat

    latch

    Lets be honest the standard of all the candidates is less than satisfactory.

    So we are left with the choice of least worst or the side which is closest to the US psyche which in my experience is for lower taxes and smaller government.

    In the US, from my experience across much of America, many working class white voters will not vote for a black man.

    So when you add those two together you only get one result.

    A white male democrat would probably have won, but that is not a description of the candidate standing.

  • ggn

    Dóibh siúd a bhfuil Gaeilg acu, tá alt maith ar an toghchán seo ar nós* na míosa seo.

    http://www.nosmag.com/eagrain/eagrain.html

    There is a good article on the election in this months nós*.

  • Dewi

    “but free the Kensei one!” – LOL latch – I suspect Kensei is enjoying his liberation…

  • 6countyprod

    Si vous parlez français, voici un reportage très intéressant – Barack : son attaque la plus virulente :

    (BO’s most bitter attack – it’s interesting to see how the French view his words)

    http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-americaines/article/2008/09/10/barack-obama-le-rouge-a-levres-et-les-cochons_1093454_829254.html

  • frustrated democrat

    MR

    Good to see you are enjoying your retirment and filling up those free hours. Maybe you should do some reseach and write a book, not about Palin of course, but maybe about McCain’s bumpy road to the White House or Obama’s failure to grab the US electorate’s mood.

    Maybe ‘OBAMA – PALINg INTO INSIGNIFICANCE’ or ‘MCCAIN – TWO MORE BUMPS THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE’ would be good working titleS.

  • I’m wondering what all the “don’t attack poor little Sarah Palin” brigade make of McCain’s latest ad?

  • frustrated democrat

    Sammy

    Don’t see any mention of his family or any of the other rubbish, only a comment about one of his perceived policies. I don’t know the particular policy; if it is based on one of his, fair game, if not then the ads shouldn’t be broadcast.

    Any attack on an actual Palin / McCain policy is also fair game, just not the continual MSM nonsense that has won them more votes than anything.

  • Basil Brush

    I would expect this to be just a short post convention boostfor McCain.Sure in 84 Mondale led Reagan in the polls after the Democrat Convention but only won Minnesota at the Election.I would say that after 8 years of a GOP govt that is highly unpopular that the Democrats should win.

  • latcheeco

    Frustrated,
    Considering he’s black in America, he’s beaten Hilery and is drawing with a white war hero… that’s not a too inconsiderable achievement so far in terms of quality.

  • frustrated democrat @ 01:28 PM:

    Nice to see you out, unaccompanied for a change. The medication must be working.

    1. No, thanks. I’ll read The Making of the President, 2008. It won’t be Theodore White (nearly five decades on, and still — quite deservedly — in print: respect!); but it’ll be far better than my pedestrian prose, and have expert input.

    2. Recently I attended a series of marvellous, magnificent, gorgeous, cost-immaterial weddings, receptions, and general booze-ups (including a delightful beach-party at Monte Carlo). In each case, the cost must have borne from the business nous of the father of the bridegroom, who made a fortune as a bookie. So, all our pleasures and delights, ultimately, were funded by those who knew the outcome before the event. Just don’t bet the farm, eight weeks out.

  • 6countyprod

    Plagarism is alive and well in this election cycle. And I’m not talking about Biden using Neil Kinnock’s life story to pad his own.

    Seems like ‘The One’ is using neither his own words, nor the words of his speech writers, he’s using the words from cartoons in the Washington Post :

    – “Watch out Mr. Bush! With the exception of economic policy and energy policy and social issues and tax policy and foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments and Rove-style politics, we’re coming in there to shake things up!”–Tom Toles cartoon, Washington Post, Sept. 5
    ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=09052008 )

    – “John McCain says he’s about change too. So I guess his whole angle is: Watch out, George Bush–except for economic policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics, we’re really going to shake things up in Washington.”–Barack Obama, Sept. 9

    Hat tip – James Taranto, WSJ
    http://online.wsj.com/article_print/best_of_the_web_today.html?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb

  • Dave

    Oh dear. I guess that’s the danger of being a mouth piece for fine words that are written by others: you have to trust those who feed your mouth with rhetoric to feed it with home-grown rhetoric rather than words that are directly plagiarised from others. Still, he can always restore his ‘ethical’ image by firing the thief – even if he still ends up looking like a mouthpiece for words stolen from cartoons.

  • susan

    It was true when Tom Toles said it. It’s true when Barack Obama repeated it.

    thanks for the hat tip, 6county prod.

    I’m sickened by that McCain ad attacking Obama against education. Maybe I’m still naive, but I don’t think the John McCain of 2000 would have run anything so misleading. To quote from the AP article–

    “But the legislation was not Obama’s, it never became law and it would have required age-appropriate information in schools. Obama has said that means warning young children about sexual predators and explaining concepts like “good touch and bad touch.”

    “It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls,” Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.

    Burton noted that in a recent interview with Time magazine, McCain refused to define ‘honor.’ “Now we know why,” Burton said.

    I really am surprised McCain would stoop to this. Even the Scouts require young children to be told — by a parent — about “stranger danger,” “inappropriate touching,” who a child should talk to if they are feeling pressured or compromised.

  • 6countyprod

    The Obama campaign is getting testy about being called on so many their weaknesses.

    They sneaked up on Hillary, but Palin is too cute for that. She’s ready for him, and well able to take him. She said today:

    Just the other day, our opponent brought up earmarks, and frankly I was surprised that he did, considering his record on earmarks. I didn’t think he’d want to go there. In just three years, our opponent has requested nearly a billion dollars in earmarks, that’s about a million dollars every working day.

    We reformed the abuses of earmarks in our state, and it was while our opponent was requesting a billion dollars in earmarks as a Senatorial privilege. What I was doing was vetoing half a billion dollars as an executive responsibility.

    Obama has his hands full with trying to cope with just Palin. He can’t even get near McCain.

    This is why he is underperforming, he can’t even deal with the substitute, let alone the main man.

  • Well now, 6countyprod @ 10:43 PM: you’ve told us, by your chosen monniker, your attitude, your belief-system, your prejudices and your address, so don’t waste our time, don’t simply rehearse stale abuse, don’t waste band-width.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us (who don’t have a vote, who don’t have much influence) will actually watch the drama, attend to the issues, ignore the day-to-day yawning-making trivia, and get on with our lives. We might even open our minds to the odd original thought and idea.

    Just don’t keep repeating yourself. You’ll lose any audience you had.

    I just put it to you that the Obama vote has held steady over a reliable period of time, while the McCain vote has oscillated like a fiddler’s elbow. And there’s eight weeks to go.

    So, since neither of us knows, let’s leave it to the great Harry Callaghan, who did:

    I know what you’re thinking. “Did he fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

    So, 6countyprod @ 10:43 PM, you know the score, you’re keeping count. You head down to the bookies and put your money down.

  • willis

    6coP

    You see the problem is that most of us don’t have a clue why earmarks are good, bad or indifferent. I must admit that a week ago I didn’t know what they even were.

    Lying I understand, saying you were against something when you were for it. Hiding stuff I understand, like not admitting you had asked for earmarks when you had. Those things seem bad.

    Now tell me what is wrong with earmarks.

  • Dewi

    Malcolm – you are far too cool for school! You should write for a living….Recommend some books?

  • willis @ 11:36 PM:

    He may not. He perhaps cannot. So I will.

    “Earmarks” are a peculiarly pernicious element of the whole US “pork” system. They allow Federal money to be directed to specific projects. Once an item had been in the federal budget, it cannot readily be rescinded.

    Thus, there was once a “bridge to nowhere”. This related to a project to replace the ferry across the Tongass Narrows, between Ketchikan and the airport on Gravina Island, both, of course, in Alaska. The problem was this bit of water is used by cruise liners, which provide a fair bit of revenue to the Great State of Alaska. Therefore any bridge had to be very high, and therefore very expensive.

    The bill for the bridge was costed at a bit short of $400 million dollars.

    By one of those curiosities that only happen in election campaigns, Candidate Sarah Palin went on record, repeatedly, in support of the project.

    Once elected, Governor Palin and the Alaska Department of Transportation had more mature thoughts. The bridge, suddenly, became too expensive.

    However, since the federal and other money had been “earmarked”, it could not be rescinded; and accordingly Governor Palin and the Alaska Department of Transportation were able to direct it to other projects. And the Federal Government back in Washington were screwed.

    Governor Palin is, as she proclaims herself, a personification of financial rigour and rectitude, and opposed to any waste of public funds.

  • willis

    “Meanwhile, the rest of us (who don’t have a vote, who don’t have much influence) will actually watch the drama, attend to the issues, ignore the day-to-day yawning-making trivia, and get on with our lives. We might even open our minds to the odd original thought and idea.”

    Indeed Malcolm.

    And the real joy of this election race is watching Barack Obama showing that he is tough enough. He may not win, but this time it looks like the Dems are tough enough. The McCain-Palin attack ads seem desperate for so early in the Air-war, and will re-enforce the feeling that they are just like Bush-Cheney.

    They got a lot of traction from the bilious outpourings of the liberal blogsphere when Palin was announced but they are slipping back.

  • Dewi @ 11:46 PM:

    Why did I think of you when that guy with the rich Welsh accent did the count-down for the switch-on of the “Large Hadron Collider”?

    By the way, if that’s the “large” size, at £5 billion, before they go for the “family” or “economy” size, I hope they wait for a special offer at Tesco.

    And it’s good-night from him.

  • Dewi

    Lyn Evans from Aberdare….he had a choice at 16 -down the mine or run CERN…toss-up.

  • willis

    “However, since the federal and other money had been “earmarked”, it could not be rescinded; and accordingly Governor Palin and the Alaska Department of Transportation were able to direct it to other projects. And the Federal Government back in Washington were screwed.”

    Ah! That is the key to it!

    So if you ask for $1 million to be earmarked for primary education in inner city Chicago and you spend it the way you say you will, you have actually been acting in the best interest of the voters who elected you.

    So for Sarah Palin to take a shot at Obama’s earmarks without clarifying which ones were good and which bad shows her ignorance of the functions of government as well as her partisanship.

    Thanks

    Over to you 6coP!

  • Johnny Reb

    I sure am glad only Americans get to vote in this election. Otherwise it would be 90% Obama.

  • Earnan

    Norn Iron isn’t the only place where people don’t vote on issues:

    “Will race be an issue in this campaign?”

    Hearing the cable talk-show host solemnly pose the question, I could not suppress a belly laugh.

    For the anchor was fearful that some white folks might reject Obama because he is African-American — even as a Rasmussen poll was reporting that Barack is beating McCain among black voters 94 to 1. Continued

    What, other than race, explains how Barack rolled up 90-10 margins among black voters while running against Hillary Clinton, wife of the man novelist Toni Morrison dubbed “our first black president”?

  • Dewi

    Enough – how long does that video actually last?

  • Wilde Rover

    Sammy Morse,

    “then he is clearly from the Demo-hawk/Scoop Jackson Society wing of the party which has always been hostile to anti-war Obama.”

    Since when is Obama “anti-war”? While he made a speech against the Iraq war before he became a senator, he voted yes for all the spending bills on Iraq.

    He wants to expand the war in Afghanistan. He has talked about tactical nuclear strikes against Pakistan. He has mentioned the possibility of attacking Iran.

    Accusing him of being anti-war is stretching it a bit.

  • http://www.newsweek.com/id/158265/output/print

    More McCain/Palin lies about Obama – this time, they tried to misquote factcheck.org, which is a bit silly, really.

    While he made a speech against the Iraq war before he became a senator, he voted yes for all the spending bills on Iraq.

    All of which were cleverly hemmed in with lots of other things. He didn’t lie down in front of tanks on the streets of Baghdad either. : roll :

  • Joe

    If it wasnt for the fact that US policy affects us so much, I would be quite happy for them to elect McCain/Palin. They deserve the President they elect and therefore deserve to be suffering now. The Republicans are big into gutter politics. Karl Rove clearly had a hand in the Palin pick also. What was it he said when masterminding Bush’s election steals…..”a fact is a fact if you say it is and act like it is”! Disgraceful, but then again, if a majority of them are ignorant enough to fall for it, they deserve what they get.

    By the way, I think Obama wins handy. All this McCain ahead in polls is media garbage. The USA Today poll, the first to put McCain ahead suspiciously decided to include “possible voters” as opposed to previously only surveying “registered voters”. Clearly, just after the Republican convention, “possible voters” are not a good judge of voting patterns. All these “polls” show is that Palin has created a stir!