Obama chosen by acclaimation…

You have to hand it to the Americans (and particularly the Clintons). Their sense of political drama is sometimes faultless. Tonight Hillary Clinton followed up her cracking performance last night by proposing an acclamation of Barrack Obama as the Democratic candidate for the President of the US. It was enough even to get to the old Republican (Democrat-loathing) hacks at Fox News. It was a big play from Hillary, marrying her long term committment to health care and blue collar workers. Will it mean catharsis for the riven Democrats? Fox News thinks it so. Obama certainly needs a little Hillary in his tank, to get to the tough places that, so far, only Clinton has managed to penetrate.

Update: Mickey Kaus arch sceptic Dem tinks last night was good for his party. Wrth reading in tandem with this piece on Hillary’s speech the night before from Richard Adams: Hillary disarms her troops

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  • Henry94

    I would call Clinton’s approach “forensically aware” Her fingerprints won’t be on the knife in Obama’s back. But her endorsement was hardly ringing. It was tinkling

    I wonder what mischief Bill will get up to tonight. It’s all about 2012 for Bill ‘n’ Hill.

    If McCain he’s smart he’ll pick a women for VP.

  • Mick Fealty

    Can’t say I agree Henry, but then perception is all and I can’t say I’m faultless in reading other polities. I’ve had McCain marked down as a conditional favourite up to now, mostly because Obama’s appeal is to creatives and digital natives, not the base.

    Tonight, I might just be tipping the other way. But considering Obama is going the rest of the contest on his own, I’ll hold my fire another while yet.

  • sammaguire

    I’d prefer Obama to win but more and more I think McCain will do it.

    Bill didn’t exactly give him(Obama)a ringing endorsement yesterday.

    Henry94, think you’re right about Bill & Hill having their eyes on 2012. Suits them fine if McCain elected.

  • Henry94

    Mick

    Either way it’s all interesting stuff. As for reading US politics I thought we would be looking at a Hillary Clinton V Rudy Giuliani election so I’m looking forward to further surprises.

    Electing Obama would be great for America. But I’m not sure that having him as President would be so good.

  • Harry Flashman

    Second only to Ryanair the organisation most likely to get the chattering (wittering?) classes’ collective knickers in a twist is Fox News.

    However because they dismiss Fox News as a vacuous propaganda machine of the Right they fail utterly to understand what is happening in US politics. I watch Fox News along with the other news channels, that is why I have been able to call this election correctly, I was the first here to point out that Iraq would be a non-issue, I did so as early as November last year.

    Hillary’s speech was a classic example, after it finished CNN went straight to interview teary eyed delegates on the floor, asking the opinion of Democrat policy wonks and politicians. To a man and woman they all hailed the speech as a great unifying moment and therefore CNN analysts (and BBC analysts) immediately swallowed the party line, they did so because they wanted to do so and when it comes to Barack Obama they have lost all critical faculties.

    Over on Fox on the other hand, they had somewhat less naive talking heads who know a thing or five about real politics; Brit Hume, Charles Krauthamer, Bill Krystol etc, now you might not agree with these men’s politics but they are at least honest and upfront and more to the point they can analyse a political scenario in two seconds flat. To a man they agreed that Hillary’s endorsement of Barack Obama was distinctly underwhelming. Underneath all the flimflam, she simply stated that the party needed to vote for Obama because he was the man on the party ticket, she offered no glowing recommendations about him and his character, then she went on to speak about the women’s movement and how it meant to her, finishing with a reference to a leading woman in the anti-slave campaign of the 19th century, the implication was clear (though not drawn out even on Fox); the women helped the blacks and now the ungrateful n*****s were getting uppity, she then finished her speech, to howls of adoration.

    Hillary’s last chance was a floor vote, she fought for it reckoning she might just pull it off, when she saw she hadn’t got the numbers she “magnanimously” called for a vote by acclamation.

    Don’t be fooled for an instant, Hillary wants Obama to fail, unlike the media echo-chamber Hillary and Bill understand American politics, they know that come 2012 they will be the only show in town.

    But if all you listened to was the incestuous mainstream media, you wouldn’t know this, that’s why they’re scratching their heads in bewilderment at how Obama’s poll numbers are tanking. They remind one of the BBC people in the 1980’s who couldn’t understand why Mrs Thatcher kept winning elections, after all no one they knew voted for her.

  • BfB

    Don’t quit your day job there Mick….

    Toga, Toga, Toga..

    Obama’s unbounded ego, combined with his nearly non-existent achievements, may finally have led him over the cliff. That’s what Charles Krauthammer wonders: “Has He Lost His Mind?”

    The Berlin folly — in English.

    The Superbowl Halftime Show — without the game.

    What’s the finish? Maybe Obama’s got Zhang Yimou to do the hidden-rope trick, and have him lifted, Beijing-style, to the heavens when he’s done. Will he reappear three days later at the Bird’s Nest?

    Or maybe he’ll just do a Napoleon and coronate himself. By the time Napoleon made himself emperor, he had won the Battles of Lodi, of Arcole, of Rivoli, of the Pyramids and of Marengo. And had promugulated the Napoleonic Code. He had yet to write a single autobiography.

    But of course, he was only Napoleon.

  • spanishroomscrumpy

    HF


    reference to a leading woman in the anti-slave campaign of the 19th century, the implication was clear (though not drawn out even on Fox); the women helped the blacks and now the ungrateful n*****s were getting uppity, she then finished her speech, to howls of adoration.

    I thought Hilary’s reference was to Harriet Tubman, who was black. If so, is the idea that Hilary somehow tried to imply “these ungrateful blacks are now getting uppity, despite that 150 years ago a celebrated black person helped other black people”?

    That *does* seems a lot of cack, if so. But I didn’t get that from what I heard of it.

  • New Yorker

    The reference was to Harriet Tubman who was black. The Aussie who watches Fox News is clueless on US politics as is BfB. McCain is tied to Bush’s record and that is certain death. He is outclassed by Obama in every category. Obama is taking the high road, he could, for instance, mention that hero McCain spilled his guts to the Viet Cong, gigoloed Cindy while his wife was very ill. If you think Iraq will not be a major issue, you’re living in la-la land. The reason any really good Republicans did not run is that they knew after all the Bush screw-ups, it would be just about impossible to win this time. Barak Obama and Joe Biden will take it and it will not be close. Harry, you need to change the channel, the one you’re watching causes brain damage.

  • Harry Flashman

    Hillary emphasised Harriet Tubman’s gender and made no mention of her race whatsoever, the point was how great women were, if you couldn’t hear Hillary lining herself up for the vote by acclamation in 2012 you weren’t paying enough attention to Hillary’s speech.

  • Harry Flashman

    “Barak Obama and Joe Biden will take it and it will not be close.”

    Oh I do love a challenge, are you a betting man NY? Care to put a wager in who calls the result correctly, the retarded Aussie or the oh so clever New Yorker?

    What do you say?

  • Mick Fealty

    Harry,

    It was the first reactions on Fox News I was going on, not CNN. But let’s not ‘future’ too much on this. Obama will have to ‘toughen’ his act, if he’s going to stand a chance of breaking out of the liberal cocoon.

    They are all obviously trying to work hard on associating their ‘friend’ John McCain with Bush.

    Bob,

    No way. But I do intend to take a closer interest now the main game is in progress. And, speaking in my favour somewhat, I wasn’t that far off in 04, as I recall.

  • HF-

    “Oh I do love a challenge, are you a betting man NY?”

    Be very careful when making bets on Slugger. It can backfire 😉

    I was in America for a couple of weeks over the summer and Obama was on everyone’s lips. I hardly heard mention of McCain. Talking to Democratic party workers in lil’ ole country towns, they expressed surprise that theretofore Republican-types were showing a strong interest and support for Obama. Barring any major incidents or the electorate getting cold feet over Obama’s novelty, a Democratic victory should be secured.

  • None of these views are necessarily contradictory – Obama is doing better than any Democrat in living memory with guns’n’small government types in places like the Mountain West while struggling to solidify the lower-middle-class, white ethnic, base in places like the Northeast and Upper Midwest, people who think McCain actually looks like a Republican one could vote for rather than a religious fundamentalist freak.

    I still think Obama will start cruising away once the debates start and the heavy advertising blitz starts; McCain has gone negative far too early. And while owning 10 houses doesn’t necessarily hurt, not knowing that you own 10 houses really does. If McCain wants to win, he needs to start thinking of really long plays, like selecting Lieberman as his VP.

  • Mick Fealty

    Agree on the betting thing El Mat, but not sure it’s going to be such a shoo-in. The Clinton’s have either just worked a faint on Republicans, or Bill is now officially the mad old Uncle in the Democrat attic (with acknowledgements to Malachi O’Doherty for that great allusion).

    I still think the Reps have the better machine and so far on head to heads, McCain is the more real of the two. If you don’t buy the Obama dream, he’s not that easy a sell. Some of this will come down to the Dem’s voter registration schemes and whether these new voters will actually turnup on the night. Feels suspiciously like giong after the bird in the bush since there aren’t enough birds in the hand.

  • Mick Fealty

    Agree on the betting thing El Mat, but not sure it’s going to be such a shoo-in. The Clinton’s have either just worked a faint on Republicans, or Bill is now officially the mad old Uncle in the Democrat attic (with acknowledgements to Malachi O’Doherty for that great allusion).

    I still think the Reps have the better machine and so far on head to heads, McCain is the more real of the two. If you don’t buy the Obama dream, he’s not that easy a sell. Some of this will come down to the Dem’s voter registration schemes and whether these new voters will actually turnup on the night. Feels suspiciously like giong after the bird in the bush since there aren’t enough birds in the hand.

  • Mick Fealty

    Better call Sammy than, I think, Harry’s on selecting a woman. That target has moved on. In the bag so to speak. Taking one or more of the mountain states, is of symbolic rather than strategic significance. But if he actually pulls it off, then the one in real trouble will be McCain. And the Republicans in general.

  • Henry94

    Someone said an I think they are right that if were McCain’s heart making the choice it would be Lieberman but it will have to be his head.

  • bisto

    What about Condaleeza Rice for VP? Too tokenistic?

  • Dewi

    Harry – I’ll bet you ten quid.

  • BfB

    New Yorkers get this way when their Yankeess are in the tank….

  • BfB

    Obama’s thugs are trying to shutdown the ad being run on his close association with the terrorists Ayers. They can’t refute the truth, so they are trying to muzzle a free organization. These socialist bastards are out of touch and will get their due. Silent majority is perking up. Of course the clown show convention isn’t helping them.

  • mac

    “Obama’s thugs?” What are you smoking?

    Barack Obama never had any type of “close association” with Ayers – it has been blown out of all proportion.

    The man who has muzzled free speech in America isn’t Barack Obama, it is Bush and the closet autocrat Cheney who pissed all over American rights and freedoms and ran his side-show in contempt of the Constitution.

    After years of Bush and co screwing up the economy and alienating allies and enemies alike, your average “socialist bastard” will seem like the messiah compared to the crooks and liars Americans have been forced to endure.

  • bisto

    mac

    “forced to endure” by voting for them……still, we all know that the Democrats think the “average” American is an ignorant red-neck and that’s why they elected GWB on two consecutive occassions.

    Barack Obama = Jimmy Carter Mk. II

  • brendan,belfast

    Harry, you are being too clever for your own good. Hilary’s speech could not be interpreted as anything other than an endorsement of Obama.

    “Barak Obamaa is my candidate and he must be our president.”

    Obama tonight will steal the show and set the scene.

  • Harry Flashman

    Look I know I’m a cranky old conservative git but you have to admit that you’d need a heart of stone not to laugh at the Democrats. Faced with a wide open goal all they required was Hillary to step up and give the ball a slight tap into the back of the net, instead they pick the Obama wunderkind and he’s hefted the bloody ball right up into the east stand.

    They’ve chosen a candidate who is somewhere between the Manchurian Candidate and Chauncey Gardiner (google it). A lad who was once a “community organiser” (anyone?) and who outside of a few years in the Illinois senate has never actually had a proper job, a fellow whose primary achievement has been to write two books. About himself. He’s an empty suit with a messiah complex.

    His entire resume is wreathed in mystery, some very basic simple biographical details that Clinton or McCain or indeed anyone here could answer in a second seem to be obfuscated in ambivalence and ambiguity;

    Where were you born? Have you any documentary evidence to prove it?

    What is your full name? Have you ever used any other name?

    Have you always been a US citizen? Where you ever a citizen of any other country?

    How many brothers and sisters do you have? Do you know where they all live?

    What religion are you? For how long have you practised this religion? Did you ever practise any other religion?

    Have you ever associated politically with racists, communists or terrorists?

    Obama has based his entire political career on his personality yet to ask even such basic questions about his personality will see you howled down as indulging in “smear tactics”. Why? If he can answer the above questions clearly and honestly why should he not do so?

    Of course the beauty of Obama is that he is the gift that keeps on giving. Not having learned his lesson from Berlin he will be addressing the adoring masses from a Roman Imperial style dais tonight, complete with mock up of Air Force One on the field to add to his ludicrous display. He really doesn’t get it.

    Just watch McCain’s poll lead move into double digits. Then it’s Hillary in 2012.

    Dewi, you’re on, good man!

  • Steve

    LOL Harry you watch the fox news for its clear thinking? That thai stick must be good stuff

    If you actually want to see the clearist most realistic take on american politics watch Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert considering they are comedians they have the only non-biased reporting available……. even if Colbert was a Democratic candidate for the presidency(classic stuff by the way)

  • BfB

    Mac

    I won’t cite the volumes of damning associations Obie has in his background (Ayers, Wright, et al) It’s interesting to see what lengths the Obama campaign is willing to reach to stifle dissenting voices……Seems you’ve already drank the koolaid, or can’t read more than two sentences in a row…

    Oh ya, did I mention he’s pro-infanticide?

  • BfB

    Steve

    I bet you’re attracted to shiny things too, eh?

  • Harry Flashman

    Actually Steve I do watch both Stewart and Colbert along with Fox, that’s how I get a clear picture of both sides of the debate, unlike most people who refuse to move outside their comfort zone and simply listen to the news they want to hear. In the same way that you cannot understand UK politics if you don’t read the Guardian and the Daily Mail if you don’t watch Fox News then you cannot claim to have the remotest idea of what is going on in US politics.

    By the way someone talked earlier about Obama’s thugs, for those of you who believe that the Republicans are the nasty party of privilege and millionaire lobbyists check out the following link, including the pictures of the Lear Jets lined up at Denver airport and the cigar chomping cop arresting the investigative reporter. It might be a bit of an eye-opener.

    Obama’s bootboys laying down the law

  • Steve

    LOL Harry so now Obama owns the Colorado police?

    As for fox news I have watched but it was so asinine I had to turn it off, if you get your clear picture through them then I understand your postings better now

    Rush Limbaugh groupies are the funniest people on the planet

  • BfB

    Hilary’s speech could not be interpreted as anything other than an endorsement of Obama.

    HA!
    The Clintons are in the catbird seat… easily seen by we American adults. Obie screwed himself campaigning in the EU, but, please continue to bang his drum….

  • Harry Flashman

    And that explains why you don’t understand what is going on in US politics my friend. You wish to remain within your cocoon where no contradictory opinions may be allowed to intrude, you are fee to do so and I hope the result in November 4th won’t come as too much of a painful shock to you.

    Me, I prefer a more adult approach whereby it is absolutely essential that one learns what is going on in order to understand fully the situation.

    Brit Hume, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer etc may be many things but if you believe they are “asinine” then you are merely displaying your own adolescent immaturity and you will remain in woeful ignorance about the real world around you.

  • Wilde Rover

    Does anyone know what would happen if it became apparent that Obama was born in Kenya and his mother was too young to transfer US citizenship?

    Would Biden automatically become the Democratic candidate?

    And, assuming McCain is nominated, would his running mate become the Republican candidate if he were incapacitated for health reasons?

  • did I mention he’s pro-infanticide?

    As the majority of the US population is pro-choice, keep saying that Bob, and LOUDER please.

    By the way, what’s McCain’s position on abortion? Bit of flip flopping going on there, no?

  • BfB

    As the majority of the US population is pro-choice..

    Just because you say it a million times, doesn’t make it so.

    You are wrong.

    Obie is a bad man… and I’m being kind.

  • Harry Flashman

    Actually Sammy I think Bob is alluding to killing the child [i]after[/i] birth, you can find it on YouTube somewhere I think. I’m no pollster but I’m guessing most Americans believe the child is entitled to live once it has actually been born.

    But hey once again if Barack Obama is happy with killing off inconvenient children who have actually been born alive, well why is he so shy about saying so?

  • kensei

    Harry

    Look I know I’m a cranky old conservative git but you have to admit that you’d need a heart of stone not to laugh at the Democrats. Faced with a wide open goal all they required was Hillary to step up and give the ball a slight tap into the back of the net, instead they pick the Obama wunderkind and he’s hefted the bloody ball right up into the east stand.

    Thing is, Harry, can’t help but think if the Democrats did pick Hilary, you’d be sitting here proclaiming how they made the wrong choice, and given all her negatives she’d never get the Whitehouse. With some justification, because she isn’t a perfect choice either.

    No idea if Obama will win, but this is the probably the Democrats best shot at picking someone who might change the political climate, and not just the weather. It’s a sensible gamble to take. He also does some spinetingling speeches, and being a fan of good rhetoric I hope he keeps going for that, if nothing else.

  • BfB

    McCain is the lesser of two evils…..
    It becomes more apparent every day.
    Most Republicans agree on that.
    And the American electorate will validate that come election day.

  • Wilde Rover

    Harry Flashman,

    “But hey once again if Barack Obama is happy with killing off inconvenient children who have actually been born alive, well why is he so shy about saying so?”

    Perhaps he was being shy because he was making a modest proposal?

  • BfB

    He also does some spinetingling speeches, and being a fan of good rhetoric I hope he keeps going for that, if nothing else.

    Ah, the depth of the modern man…..

  • mac

    Lol hilarious Flashman.

    Hillary experienced? Really. She owes it all to Bill. The woman never earned her stripes by getting into power the uphill route via the hustings – she rode on Big Dawg’s tail. Hillary’s vaunted “experience” has been gained on easy street.

    Her campaign tactics were embarrassingly bad at times – amateurish, peevish, petty, partisan-in-the-extreme (to the point of having an appeal for racists), reeking of entitlement and served with dripping narcissism. Semi-truths and outright lies were trotted out without apparent concern for consequences – the Kosovo sniper fiction for one … she even claimed her ma named her after the famed climber Sir Edmund Hillary, but she was born in 1947 and Sir E didn’t scale Everest until 1953.

    Sure, she beat the drum and downed the shots in order whip up enough heat to drive up her take of the vote BUT that was the Dem race, not the presidential race.

    Put her out as the Dem nominee and you would be looking at a titanic disaster. Every knife in every drawer would be out, every nook and cranny scoured for the many, many Clinton skeletons. The gender bias she ran into would be played with a vengeance.

    She would come off as the lightweight she is. Good for a rallying speech. Good as the ever-enduring stalwart who never gives in (a skill developed after a lifetime of enduring Bill’s philandering). Good as the Senator presiding over a committee – but far from presidential material.

    This is not a hit against the prospect of a female president by the way. I’m all for it. Kathleen Sebelius for example is a governor with great potential on the national stage.

    Barack in contrast to HRC, came up the time honored way as a campaigner and organizer. Moreover his international appeal is very important at a time when the US must become less unilateral and more cooperative on the world stage.

    On the campaign trail Hillary would have pimped herself out for a few votes more. She even resorted to evoking the spectre of Bobby Kennedy’s assassination in order to defend her decision to stay in the race (well gee, Obama might get knocked off).

    She would have been the wrong choice as Democratic candidate. In rallying the party behind Obama, Hillary has hit her top form.

  • spanishroomscrumpy

    HF

    Hillary emphasised Harriet Tubman’s gender and made no mention of her race whatsoever, the point was how great women were, if you couldn’t hear Hillary lining herself up for the vote by acclamation in 2012 you weren’t paying enough attention to Hillary’s speech.

    So she’s a politician and may want to run again in the future – not a shocker.

    But your confused rant about Hilary implying that because a black woman helped blacks in the 19th century, she was really saying that uppity blacks are ungrateful for a woman’s help, well that was load of bollocks you made up on the spot, wasn’t it?

    By the way the reason she didn’t have to say that Harriet Tubman was black is because the vast majority of literate people in the USA know who she was.

    I’m sure that FOX has considered running subtitles while people were talking to help steer its audience through all that complicated “context” stuff without losing the right-wing plot…but all those letters and words might take a bit too much book learnin’, I imagine.

    And if it it did take, next thing the folks at home might get to reading newspapers and you know what that could lead to – a book! A couple of those under your belt and you mightn’t need angry white men explaining the news for you all the time.

  • BfB

    Sebelius?
    She vetoed a bill that would have required voters to show photo identification before voting, citing disenfranchisement concerns. She issued an executive order making it illegal to discriminate against state employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Three times in four years, she opposed legislation that would have restricted abortion access even though one of those bills passed the Kansas legislature by a two to one margin.

    Yah, she’s a real sweetheart…
    More of the same socialist bull…
    Fat chance.

  • BfB

    Bad Man

    He opposed the Illinois version of bills to protect babies who were born alive after botched attempts at abortions, requiring a doctor to assist any child who survived.
    In 2001, Illinois lawmakers offered three such bills and Mr. Obama voted “present” on each of them, arguing that under the Equal Protection Clause, the proposed laws would “essentially bar abortions.” A year later, he voted “no” on the reoffered bills.
    In 2003, after Mr. Obama became chairman of the State Health and Human Services Committee, a new bill was referred to this committee but lost in a 6-4 vote and was never sent to the Senate floor for a full vote. Mr. Obama, according to state records, voted against that bill.
    Mr. Obama’s opposition to such a law put him the minority of his own party nationally.
    The federal version – the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which guaranteed that live-born infants are afforded full legal rights under federal law, regardless of their stage of development or whether their live births occurred during an abortion – passed the House by a 380-15 vote on Sept. 26, 2000. It was killed later that year in the Senate.
    Mr. Obama was the only member of the state Senate to vote against a bill to prohibit the early release of convicted criminal sexual abusers; was among only four who voted against bills to toughen criminal sentences and to increase penalties for “gangbangers” and dealers of Ecstasy; and voted “present” on a bill making it harder for abusive parents to regain custody of their children, a Washington Times review of Illinois legislative records shows.

  • Harry Flashman

    Ah jaysus kensei, we’ve had our differences in the past but I figured you could see through a phoney in pretty short order. “Spine tingling” speeches? Care to offer an example?

    If the man’s teleprompter breaks down he’ll be left muttering “um, ahm, change, er, hope, hope for change, um,” tap tap “is this thing on?”.

    He dodged out of McCain’s offer of townhall meetings, despite the fact that he’s the media’s darling, the hep young rock star dude against the crusty old white guy. At the Saddleback conference he could barely string a coherent answer together.

    I’m getting extra pop-corn in to watch him flounder through the debates.

    By the way Hillary wiped the floor with him during their debates. I don’t like the woman but she would have a 20% lead over an oul’ eejit like McCain by now, but then again what do I know, I’m just a thick, illiterate, brain damaged, “Aussie”, Fox watching, bollocks spouting know-nothing aren’t I?

    We’ll see in the morning of November 5th, won’t we?

  • BfB

    Ruh Roh
    Stanley Kurtz’s appearance on the Milt Rosenberg radio program in Chicago last night provided an unsettling look into the authoritarian tactics being employed by the Obama campaign to stifle and intimidate its critics.

  • Dave

    Obama would have made a great preacher if only he didn’t beleive that he was more important than g-d.

  • BfB

    Keep this under your hat.
    Economy Grew 3.3% in 2nd Quarter, Much Higher Than Initial Reading

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. economy was much stronger in the spring than first thought because of better exports and less inventory liquidation by businesses, according to a government report that surprised economists.

    Gross domestic product rose at a seasonally adjusted 3.3% annual rate April through June, the Commerce Department said Thursday in a new, revised estimate of second-quarter GDP.

    Originally, the government had estimated second-quarter 2008 GDP climbed 1.9%. First-quarter GDP increased 0.9%.

    Separately, the number of U.S. workers filing new claims for unemployment benefits fell slightly as expected last week but remained at elevated levels consistent with more declines …

  • Bob and Harry,

    Just have to share this with you from the Corner at the National Review. It’s going up on Brassneck shortly. And it’s priceless:

    “The problem is that at least half of the trial balloons that have been floated this week are huge question marks or downright unacceptable. KBH? Gimme a break. Pawlenty is a lightweight. And then there’s the Dems he wants to pick. Ughh. Do me a favor — don’t forget that the only reason we’re supporting this jerk is to prevent the Second Coming. Otherwise, we’ll all be very disappointed if we win.”

  • BfB

    Mick..

    I wouldn’t use ‘jerk’ but I’m not far from those opinions. Romney is my man.

    Have a look at George Wills’ brilliant little piece..
    Obama’s rhetorical extravagances are inversely proportional to his details, as when he promises “nothing less than a complete transformation of our economy” in order to “end the age of oil.” The diminished enthusiasm of some voters hitherto receptive to his appeals might have something to do with the seepage of reality from his rhetoric. Voters understand that neither the “transformation” nor the “end” will or should occur. His dreamy certitude that “alternative” fuels will quickly become real alternatives is an energy policy akin to an old vaudeville joke: “If we had some eggs, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some ham.” HA!

  • Comrade Stalin

    I wish it wasn’t so boring. Here’s how it’s done right.

    Great big gob of the stuff went out in the audience somewhere ..

  • New Yorker

    The Clintons are smart politicians and adept at knowing which way the wind is blowing. When Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama, that signaled to Hillary the end of her bid. The Clintons will strongly back Obama because their future is with the Democratic party. The Republican wet dream of a Clinton revolt was just cable news channel chatter, there was never any possibility of it happening.

    If Republicans were really behind McCain, they would be stepping up to the plate with greenbacks. The Republicans I know with deep pockets have not kicked in any more than token amounts, if any moolah.

    BfB – who watched the credit scams in the financial markets develop and did absolutely nothing? The same bozos who did absolutely nothing to prevent 9/11. McCain supported those bozos 90% by his Senate votes and he cannot run away from it. Today’s economic news is indeed very good and I hope recovery is underway but this mess would not have occurred if there had been proper government monitoring in the first place.

    I’m totally anti-abortion and the Democratic party needs to change their policy on that issue ASAP. But I’m not a one issue voter and the choice is clear – Obama is a better man with better policies.

    Wilde Rover – Obama was born in the US but McCain was not. So your question about Biden does not apply. If McCain’s health were deteriorate to the point that he clearly could not serve the office before the election, I assume his VP would step up but I do not think there is anything in the rules of the Republican party, or the Democratic party, that covers that possibility. I don’t think it has happened in US history.

    Harry – The reason Obama was not interested in the townhall ploy is he is way out front and need not indulge the apparent loser. As to your reading preferences, you need to throw Rupert’s rags on the barbie.

  • Comrade Stalin

    New Yorker, I think what you have to ask is, why is a Republican president – the party which is supposed to be best at providing sound economic management and supporting business – presiding over a period where the USA went into record levels of debt ? This is helping to depress the level of the dollar which is in turn making oil imports more expensive.

  • Steve

    Comrade Stalin

    The last three republican presidents (yes Reagan as well) Saddled the americans with almost insurmountable debts with the same failed policy of reducing taxes and increasing spending. How they expected it to work is a complete mystery because if you lower revenues you obviously have reduce spending its the basic principal behind free market economics

    Clinton for all their caterwalling was the first president in a very long time that was effectively working on repaying the national debt. By the time he left office he had almost gotten america out of the hole that Reagan drove them into, to bad the shrub decided to put the whole economy in reverse.

    about 15 years ago Canada was facing the same situation as america is now but our political leaders bit the bullet and did the right thing, they actually increased our taxes and reduced spending and put the national train back on its tracks so much so that we are the only G8 nation that has a budget surplus and are reducing our national debt

    by the way its much easier to do because national debts are calculated in american narco dollars and now that the Canadian dollar has recovered so nicely paying it of is a lot easier

  • BfB

    Steve

    Now I understand where you got that thai stick reference of yours.

    Tsk, tsk.

  • latcheeco

    Flash, you’re a fascinating guy! So you think Fox’s Bill Krystol and Brit Hume are luminaries and you’re an Aussie. Is your first name Rupert by any chance?

  • NP

    So who is this mystery McCain guy ?
    What does he stand for ?
    Bit of a dark horse ?
    apart from his dodgy military record.

    he may as well be the inventor of oven chips, as far as your average punter is concerned.

  • kensei

    HF

    Ah jaysus kensei, we’ve had our differences in the past but I figured you could see through a phoney in pretty short order. “Spine tingling” speeches? Care to offer an example?

    I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like. He did several decent turns in the early part of the primary campaign. It may just be the contrast with folksy style that passes for most American oratory these days, but I’m glad to see some high oratory make a comeback.

    I could quote examples of what I like, but you’ll simply dismiss them, so I don’t see the point. It’s ok to disagree.

    If the man’s teleprompter breaks down he’ll be left muttering “um, ahm, change, er, hope, hope for change, um,” tap tap “is this thing on?”.

    Considering he’s been credited with having a significant input into writing most of his big speeches, and he is by all accounts a smart fellow, I sincerely doubt that is the case. At least give the man his due.

    He dodged out of McCain’s offer of townhall meetings, despite the fact that he’s the media’s darling, the hep young rock star dude against the crusty old white guy. At the Saddleback conference he could barely string a coherent answer together.

    The liberal media is a myth: in fact they’ve ably assisted with every Republican destruction of democratic candidates. They have been more than happy to turn on him, and will be more than happy to go for the underdog fights back narrative if McCain keeps going up. Then they’ll be bored of it and go for another.

    As for the town hall debates: by all accounts McCain is very good at them, and it pays not to fight on your opponents turf. Seems entirely sensible to me if you want to win. And boy, dot he Democrats want to win.

    I’m getting extra pop-corn in to watch him flounder through the debates.

    No doubt you’ll call it that way no matter what happens: in fact that’d be about the only call I will make. McCain is hardly incapable of making a gaffe, and being well prepared reduces the risk a lot these days. Hell, even Bush got through them relatively unscathed. Plus there is a lot that can happen between now and November and a lot of campaigning that’ll shape the context of the debates. Far too soon to say.

    By the way Hillary wiped the floor with him during their debates. I don’t like the woman but she would have a 20% lead over an oul’ eejit like McCain by now, but then again what do I know, I’m just a thick, illiterate, brain damaged, “Aussie”, Fox watching, bollocks spouting know-nothing aren’t I?

    I don’t believe I said anything like that. You do however, have your own clear biases. Obama started weak in the debates and got better. I doubt there’ll be any major shifts over the debates, a little bit of momentum either way. I’ll simply get more popcorn to watch out of interest, rather than any other motive.

    We’ll see in the morning of November 5th, won’t we?

  • BfB

    Real GDP growth in the last five quarters were 4.8, 4.8, -0.2, 0.9, and 3.3 percent, respectively. Funny, I don’t remember the headlines about the two 4.8’s in a row. But that -0.2 was getting “recession” played throughout the headlines for about the last six months.The surge working in Iraq. Economy on the rebound (from its non-recession). The number of people signing up for jobless benefits declined last week, the third straight drop from a six-year high reached earlier this month, the government said Thursday. Funny I don’t quite see my economy quite like you urpeens do..wonder why that is?

  • Stalin, I prefer real life American politicians who jerk off on YouTube.

    I don’t quite see my economy quite like you urpeens do..wonder why that is?

    No, you don’t see your economy the way most of your fellow countrymen do either, Bob.

  • BfB

    Give them my regards when you’re talking to them there sammy.
    It’s just the reality suspending obamites and the democratic congress (75% Disapproval rating)..
    You must be talking to the the overwhelming minority, whining bitch segment.
    Tsk , tsk.
    All education, no smahts..

  • Harry Flashman

    If all that you say about Republicans wrecking the US economy is true, why isn’t Obama sitting on a 20% poll lead?

    If they had chosen Clinton instead do you think it would be going from a statistical dead heat to a slight McCain lead during the [i]Democratic[/i] convention?

    Like I say, I’m a moron who knows nothing, not like clever CNN watchers and readers of the New York Times.

  • Harry Flashman

    I just read this superb Kevin Myers piece, very enjoyable, gets right to the nub of this issue,

    Well, do you pee in the shower?

    Give it a read.

  • NP

    RE. Mr Myers article

    Harry : the shower is also the place where most Men regularly (statstically proven) have a wank.

    having said that, Kev. is a national treasure & i think you should give him a hug.

  • Harry Flashman

    Wank in the shower? Euugh, icky!

    On the subject I’m enjoying the sight of 84,000 onanists in a Denver football stadium giving their leading man his money shot.

    Inverse bukake.

  • Bohereen

    Oven Chips, ha ha.
    Here’s the question or even the answer.
    Will the public prefer the skinny variety or the old fashioned thick-cut, come November?

  • Henry94

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a self-styled “hockey mom” who has only been governor for a little over a year, is GOP Presidential candidate John McCain’s choice for Vice President, CNBC has learned.

  • You must be talking to the the overwhelming minority, whining bitch segment.

    Some of them are lefty-liberals, some are apolitical, and loads of them are Republicans. Some of them even entertain the notion that Barack Obama is the anti-christ. They still all agree that your economy is fucked, however, and so do I. Admittedly, I don’t think it’s any more screwed that many other countries’ as the massive credit fuelled asset bubble collapses, but you’re particularly vulnerable because a: your currency is a joke and it’s also the currency that oil is priced in, and, b; you have a high proportion of national wealth tucked up in real estate that can’t do anything but collapse in the coming years.

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a self-styled “hockey mom” who has only been governor for a little over a year, is GOP Presidential candidate John McCain’s choice for Vice President, CNBC has learned.

    Just the sort of long play McCain needed to stay in the hunt; but it has associated risks. Palin is spectacularly popular in Alaska but I have no idea whether she can cut it on the national stage.

  • Finn McCool

    H Clinton and health don’t go hand in hand, unless there’s money involved?

  • BfB

    Sammy..

    Our economy is doing ok. Not real good, but not as bad as the droning media wants you to think (sky is falling, economy, war, environment)…Tough times are ahead, no doubt, but please try and take these whining bitch liberals with a grain of salt. These same ones have $5000 each in electronic toys to carry around, more clothes than my whole family had at one time, and really don’t do shit about anything but piss and moan. And guess what… most of them won’t even vote….
    We, old fart, racist, white guys…who enjoy the fruits of labor, in spite of these shitheads stealing as much as they can from us, do vote.
    Draw your own conclusions.