Six questioned in “targeted operation”

Very early days in the latest development of the long-running Garda-led investigation into the murder of Paul Quinn – last pronounced upon by the IMC in May. According to a BBC report a total of six men are now being questioned as a result of a “targeted operation”. The three arrested by gardai in the Monaghan area are in their 20s and 30s and, of the three arrested by the PSNI in the Crossmaglen and Cullyhanna areas, two are in their 50s and one in his 20s. I’ll update if, or when, any charges result. Update Two released by PSNI. Gardai get 24 hour extension for further questioning. Adds And three more men arrested in the Crossmaglen and Forkhill areas.

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  • percy

    Peteb
    Do you know how long can they be held, and is it the same on both sides of the border?

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    Thank God the PSNI have acted to arrest someone. That’ll give them something to do for a few days, otherwise they might have had to go and lift the loyalist weaponry they claim they know all about.

  • Steve

    BJR

    also gives them an opportunity to blacken a few names while ultimately failing to press charges

    We have seen it all before

  • percy

    BJR
    3 were arrested by the gardai, perhaps you need reminding that is the POlice Force of the ROI.

    This is a murder charge, not possession of weapons.
    There’s been a number of threads here on how the NIO intends to deal with the issue of loyalist weapons.

    Nice try at thread derailment.

    Steve, your concern for the Quinn family and catching the murderers is touching!

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    “Thread derailment”? Please. I can’t even get UMH to piss off so I’ll not be stopping any threads. If they become a little snappier I’d be delighted.

    The Gardai were not in the press today boasting about how they know where loyalist weapons are currently stored. I am merely drawing attention to the fact that while these arrests may be a trawl of suspects, actual REAL weapons which are being stored (and presumably the people storing them) could be seized at any time.

    The implication of the PSNI attitude to such weapons seems to be “If you don’t stop breaking the law soon, we may have to enforce it.”

    I’m guessing most of us are against people being beaten to death by gangs. We could, I suppose, start making heart-felt expressions of condolence but do we do it for just the Quinn family or all families? Do you express your concern for victims in every post? How’s that working out for you?

    I don’t believe such emotionally charged comments would add to the debate but if point-scoring is what you like then knock yourself out.

    In summary, PSNI have an interesting attitude to serious crime in Northern Ireland. Do keep up.

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    Pete. What happened the thread on where people live, mixed areas and all of that? It was a good subject. Just asking…

  • Steve

    Percy

    how does it help the Quinns to arrest 3 people blacken their names and release them with out charge?

    I do hope they catch his killers but honestly going by the past few years this is all just so much publicity exercise to keep the natives happy and appear to be doing something while accomplishing nothing

  • Traditional_Unionist

    I find it incredible that one minute the police are getting complained about due to “doing nothing” and then they do try to progress cases and further their enquires they get critised.

    What do you people want from the police?

    you can’t have it both ways

    If they suspect something about someone then I fully support them arresting the person. If the person has nothing to hide then he will be fine. however I would rather the police arrest people they suspect of things to try and get answers about cases like this than to not arrest anyone to try and keep the serial complainers happy

  • percy

    bjr
    you’re doing it again
    There are threads on Sluggers to deal with that other issue.
    STOP trolling and de-railing please.

    My comment for example no.1 has nothing to do with being emotionally charged.

    I’m as interested in the “Rights” of those being questioned as I am to see those responsible “Convicted” in a Court.

    As far as other unsolved murders go, its a sad fact of life here that without tireless campaigning very little is done for those victims.
    That is upsetting, and one ought to be “emotionally charged” about all those cases.

    Does that answer your question?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]Thread derailment”? Please. I can’t even get UMH to piss off so I’ll not be stopping any threads. If they become a little snappier I’d be delighted.”[/i]

    gobsheite

  • percy

    Steve,
    you appear very confident they’ll be released without charge.
    Do you know something the rest of us don’t?

  • susan

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    Pete. What happened the thread on where people live, mixed areas and all of that? It was a good subject. Just asking…
    Posted by billie-Joe Remarkable on Jul 29, 2008 @ 01:31 PM

    Billie-Joe, the thread is up and running with 14 comments, including one from you. Do keep up.

    Steve: “Natives”? “Happy”?

  • Peat Blog

    “otherwise they might have had to go and lift the loyalist weaponry they claim they know all about.”

    Or perhaps they don’t know where they are but can follow the doseballs when they try to shift them to new locations. Either way, time will tell.

  • It was Sammy McNally what done it

    In the previous investigation into this – the Gardai were operating in South Armagh – have they stopped this now the PSNI are accepted by the good folk of the area?

    Does anyone know the geographical limits of the Gardai’s northern remit or when they started to ignore the funny line we call the border?

  • joeCanuck

    Sammy,

    It’s called cooperation and a damned fine thing it is.

  • George

    Percy,
    they can be held for 7 days south of the border.

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    Susan: no-one likes a smart-ass. (Found the thread, though, ta!)

  • It was Sammy McNally what done it

    joeCanuck,

    “It’s called cooperation and a damned fine thing it is”

    Couldn’t agree more.

    But musing as to when it arrived with us (certainly post troubles), its legal underpinning and it’s boundaries (operational and geographical).

    Pedantic type meself if truth were known.

  • joeCanuck

    Sammy,

    I think neither can cross the border, even in hot pursuit, without being accompanied by an officer from the other side.

  • percy

    Thanks George,

    joecanuck,
    do you know if its the same north of the border. ie 7 days?

  • Dewi

    42 ain’t it Percy?

  • percy

    Dewi,
    that’s for terrorist offences, this is a murder charge; or am I missing your point?

  • waffler

    Seven days in the free state is questionable as physical evidence is not required to press charges. Four Derry men remain on (custodial)remand with the case against them, that they were travelling together.

  • Dewi

    You are right of course Percy – I think its 48 hours extendable to 7 days with court permission.

  • It was Sammy McNally what done it

    joeCanuck,

    If Police and Justice is transferred presumably then cross border police travel will be controlled by Stormont.
    Think I’ll fire off an email to the PSNI and ask them how the arrangements work and who authorises it – guess its at the Chief Constable/Garda Commsioner level.

  • susan

    George and Percy, for what it is worth RTE were reporting this morning that the three suspects held in the Carrickmacross station can be held up to 72 hours under Section 30.

  • George

    Waffler,
    “Seven days in the free state is questionable as physical evidence is not required to press charges. Four Derry men remain on (custodial)remand with the case against them, that they were travelling together.”

    That’s nothing. I think it’s Carrickmacross where all the “subversives” used to get taken to because it was only one of two Garda stations with no recording facilities.

    The other one was Lucan where those from the Dublin criminal underworld would face their questioning.

    No better place for the auld confessions but I think modern technology has now made even to the wilds of west Dublin and Monaghan.

  • dunreavynomore

    Steve, it might be worth pointing out that the 3 arrested in the north are amongst those many people were expecting to be arrested and include one high ranking ‘republican’. Will they be charged? Perhaps not, perhaps they will be released to be replaced with another 6 later on and eventually we get arrests and charges. A bit like peeling the skin off an onion, if this was , as S.F. claimed a ‘criminal’ murder rather than a murder committed by the ira the culprits would have been locked up long ago but the nature of the conspiracy makes that a lot harder to achieve. Whatever happens, it is obvious that the Gardai place a lot more faith in what the Quinn family and their friends believe than in what people like Connor Murphy or Adams say and we must assume that the Gardai find their enquiries leading them down that path rather than the shinners mythical ‘smuggling gangs murdering each other!’path.

  • percy

    that’s about the alpha and the omega of it dunreavynomore

  • waffler

    George
    My point was that it don`t matter how many days the can question one in the free state cause they`ll keep u as long as they like on the (be it true or false)belief from a superintendant u are a member.
    It may not be the case with those arrested on this occassion as their alegance mostlikely sways to britian via spin fein.
    Time will tell.

  • dunreavynomore

    Latest from Sth Armagh is that a 4th man was arested in Cullyhanna last night. He is a cousin of one of the other men arrested.He had not been at home when the P.S.N.I went to his parents house yesterday morning. Today there are reports that a 4th man has also been arrested in the republic and that he is a man who used drive for a certain Stormont minister. Can’t confirm this arrest though at this stage.

  • dunreavynomore

    the 2 men in their fifties have been released and 3 more have been arrested. these latest ones are well known’provos’ with 1 ,possibly 2, from a family which likes to be at the forefront of all public republican events.
    It is becoming even more clear that the gardai analysis of the kidnap and murder of Paul agrees with that of the family and is totally at odds with s.f.s ‘fueding smugglers’. strange silence from s.f. a few months ago they had plenty to say when a 19 year old and a 15 year old were arrested for questioning re fireworks and a broken window at vincie.t,s house.

  • George

    Susan,
    “George and Percy, for what it is worth RTE were reporting this morning that the three suspects held in the Carrickmacross station can be held up to 72 hours under Section 30.”

    Checked up and they are right. The 7 day only applies to drugs offences and while the 2007 Criminal Justic Bill was going to extend this to others including possession of firearms, it mustn’t be in yet.