William of Pink?

Peter Tatchell has raised the ire of some by claiming that there is evidence King Billy was bisexual. The prominent Gay Rights activist is in town delivering the Amnesty International Pride Lecture ahead of the Gay Pride parade this Saturday. Rumours that a small man dressed in pink mounted on a white horse will lead the parade, dismounting at City Hall to have a ‘sham fight’ with an Iris-lookalike have yet to be confirmed….

  • Rooster Cogburn

    Tres good Greeners. Here’s Slab’s favourite nursery song, ‘On the Good Ship Lollipop’.

    I’ve thrown away my toys
    Even my drum and train.
    I wanna make some noise
    With real live aeroplanes.
    Some day I’m going to fly.
    I’ll be a pilot too.
    And when I do, how would you
    Like to be my crew…

    On the good ship lollipop.
    Its a sweet trip to a candy shop
    Where bon-bons play
    On the sunny beach of bittergreen Bay.

    Lemonade stands everywhere.
    Crackerjack bands fill the air.
    And there you are
    Happy landing on a chocolate bar.

    See the sugar bowl do the tootsie roll
    With the big bad devils food cake.
    If you eat too much ooh ooh
    You’ll awake with a tummy ache.

    On the good ship lollipop
    Its a night trip into bed you hop
    And dream away
    On the good ship lollipop

  • Rory

    There is only one foolproof way to establish whether or not William III was in fact a bit howsyerfather and that is to ask through the medium of the letters page of Viz magazine whether any readers have had botty sex with the ruby-lipped Dutch monarch or if they know of any one who might have played a bit of the old offside game with His Maj.

    If any respondents answering in the affirmative turn out to have Fenian names we can just discount them as being liars or fantasists. Billy may have been a poofter but he was a protestant first!

  • Steve

    damn! as far as this thread goes, ive come late and missed any chance of slipping in a willy joke 🙁

    Posted by eranu on Jul 28, 2008 @ 04:27 PM

    Eranu

    With enough lube you can always slip a willy in

  • Rooster Cogburn

    But what if the would-be lover boy epistling to Viz had an Eyetie name? Could be a priest, and we all know that Billy boy had to play footsie with the vatican. Watch this space.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    I think the Greenflag wins it, for the great twist on the lyrics!

    Definitely a Eurovision winner too!

    Our entry next year Greenflag or the UK’s?

    Danny La Rue could represent either!

  • RepublicanStones

    Harry Flasherman, who cares if some irish paitriot were pillow biters, I don’t think its banned anywhere in the annals (careful) of republicansim. Now fundamental protestanism on the other hand….

  • Paul McMahon

    Ahhh shit, I knew I shouldn’t have humored him.

    Tell you what RC, instead of trying to get me to jump through hoops that you set why don’t you stop all this long – winded, patronising ballix and just point out what you think is the allegd incorrection?.

    Seems to me that you’ve been caught out and are trying to mask it by hiding behind some waffle about comprehension.

  • Greenflag

    greagoir O frainclin,

    As always I endeavour to provide occassional mirth when it’s sorely needed 🙂

    Not sure about Eurovision – We’d never get the Dutch vote ? On the other hand that shower of Lowland pinko commie free thinking degenerate finger dykers might actually deliver 12 points and then were would we be 😕

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Gerry Adams is gay and Mcguiness is his whipping boy. Adams gave McGuiness a sly kiss in the neck after the 1998 Referendum and Mcguinness’s eyes sparkled with excitement. Don’t tell me there was nothing going on!

  • Paul McMahon

    “We were having so much fun sneering at the uptight huns and talking about “drag queens” and “poofs”

    Does being a draag queen necesserily indicate being gay ‘Arry?. Sammy Duddy, UDA spokesman, had a drag queen act during the seventies yet Ican’t recall any allegations of him being gay.I don’t think Barry Humphries is gay either.

    You may not be an Ulster Protestant but there is no way I’m willing to believe that you’re not a Unionist.

  • Rory

    I’m beginning to have some sympathy with Tradional Unionist taking offence at King Billy being outed. Imagine, if you will, a normal homosexual guy quietly going about his business and all of a sudden some complete strangers start claiming that they have letters that show strong evidence that you might once have been – a king! That you engaged in royal activities such as waving at the public, breeding corgis and giving blow jobs to your butler. No self respecting gay would ever live it down.

  • Peter is a great guy, indeed he is a national treasure; and dare I say it, the man has balls too. His attempts to arrest satraps like Robert Mugabe, if a little theatrical, are wonderful.

    It became clear from the time he stood for parliament in Bermondsey, that he was made of stern stuff and was highly principled, as the leaderships of the LP [Which he was standing for] Tories and Liberals all poured excreta upon him via their tame pals in the media. Whilst he lost the election he stood his ground and to his credit never once retaliated against the victorious liberal candidate who was himself in the closet.

    For me despite disagreeing with him at times he is one of the more admirable UK public figures.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Rooster Cogburn

    “[i]Actually, the sensible, historically rooted response would be to query the word ‘gay’, and the social construct it imputes. In other words, the concept of homosexuality, as opposed to the habit of same sex sexual relations, has a distinctly shopworn C20th sensibility, and would seem rather more than faintly risible to a late C17th mindset. For if there’s anything more rigidly doctrinaire than a contemporary, professional poove (cf. Tatchell), I’m glad neither me nor King Billy have to meet them.”[/i]

    You are talking a lot of sense rooster. It was only 50 years ago that the word gay meant an entirely different thing than it does today.

    Williams idea to give some young men position of grandeur, rather than older and more experienced men, could be understood in many ways other than being bi-sexual or homo-sexual.

    It’s very likely that William, being disadvantaged in height, physique and plagued with asthma, that he didn’t see youth and inexperience as a hindrance to success. William was changing the status quo and obviously the elderly Jacobite Tory’s were going to be aggrieved.

  • Wunderkund

    King Billy wasn’t bisexual, he just f*cked men. He wasn’t bisexual for the same reason that the ancient Spartans weren’t bisexual. The social construct of bisexual orientation hadn’t been invented yet, so he would be incapable of adopting that role.

    David Bowie and Freddie Mercury probably no more had / have a “bisexual orientation” than Max Mosley has a “bdsm orientation”.

    The idea of a human universal of inborn essentialist “orientations” that divide the entire human population into gay/straight/bi should go in the dustbin on the evidence that I can see. Such orientations may exist but they are not exhaustive of describing the human condition. When applied to race we shudder that this was what Hitler used to put people in death camps, yet we don’t seem to notice that the exact same genetic determinism is what Hitler used to put homosexuals in death camps too. It seems bizarre that certain lefties propagate the mind as a tabula rasa, no innate differences between sexes / classes / races but that all is learned through social processes, yet when it comes to men sleeping with men suddenly on the contrary it’s time to reach for the biology textbooks of the Third Reich. Of course the reason for that is that, whether it’s right or wrong, it’s politics masquerading as science. So what’s the actual evidence?

  • earnan

    Dude, King Billy was a flamer???

    That’s so gay!!

  • woodkerne

    I read that at the Battle of the Boyne wee King Willy took an assma attack and strength failed him. Immediatly two lusty Irish troopers positioned themselves on either side of him and took him uphill in a three man straddling formation. It was in this position that The King ejaculated his extreme joy as a forceful thrust by main force from his center resolved the situation to his contentment and that of over ten generations of Ulster backwoods backsliders since

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]King Billy wasn’t bisexual, he just f*cked men. He wasn’t bisexual for the same reason that the ancient Spartans weren’t bisexual. The social construct of bisexual orientation hadn’t been invented yet, so he would be incapable of adopting that role”[/i]

    That’s false, Wunderkund. Bisexuality was about long before the 1700’s. Don’t try to prove William was NOT a homo. People like Peter Tatchell have to prove he was a homo in order to come across as a respectable member of the community. He has failed on that part and if Tatchell is at all predictable, he will use Republican icons in the same way.

  • Wunderkund

    @Harry Flashman

    Glad to help out Rab old son, now maybe some Republicans can tell us why they feel so uncomfortable about accepting that the allegations about Roger’s sex tourism are in fact genuine.

    Perhaps because some of the same people who shriek in horror at people who demonise homosexuals also still like their own piece of witchhuntery when it comes to another group. The accusations against Casement don’t all just make him “gay” like Matt Lucas, they make him gay like Jonathan King or Wacko Jacko or “swirlyface”. If anything the demonisation of that particular flavour of homosexual appetite is even slightly more subject to foaming at the mouth disapproval than it was back in the days when police were raiding gay clubs for “sodomites”.

    Oscar Wilde seems to somehow get away with it and still be admired because the youngest he appears to have gone was 16. How prescient of him to predict our present homosexual age of consent and therefore exonerate himself retroactively by opening a moral wormhole in the space-time continuum. In by a whisker!

  • joeCanuck

    To think that this started out as a joke.
    Or, if Peter Tatchell simply was just trying to wind some people up, then he scored a bullseye, forgiving the mixed metaphors.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>dismal Scots<< Considering as you claimed that this was you making a joke, well the resident wits and even the half wits *hat-tip's to those who know who they are* are in no danger of being shown up. Yir patter really is like watter, dismal Scots ma erse! Hingin's too guid fur the likes ae you, it's a guid kick in the erse ye need. Joe I get the feeling that you are having a ball here.

  • Rory

    There has been much to ponder on in this thread and I have attempted to take it all on board and I am sure that you will all see much of it reflected in my forthcoming history of great Irish gays which is provisionally titled Sodom and begorrah!

  • cynic

    ….errrrr its a lovely day and u r all indoors arguing over where a King who died almost 400 years ago dipped his willy

    ……sad

  • cynic

    …sorry 300 years ago…too hot for maths

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Free Willie

  • RepublicanStones

    “….errrrr its a lovely day and u r all indoors arguing over where a King who died almost 400 years ago dipped his willy

    ……sad”

    Posted at 10:39 PM.
    Anyway, i know it was a great day, my lavender shirts and union jack y-fronts dried on the line in no time today.

  • Outsider

    It taken the Catholic, Nationalist, Republican community over 300 years to come up with this nonsense.

    Its a pity you didn’t put as much thought into the actual battle at the Boyne.

  • Greenflag

    Rory ,

    ‘I am sure that you will all see much of it reflected in my forthcoming history of great Irish gays which is provisionally titled Sodom and begorrah! ‘

    LOL 🙂 Good one . You can start with yer man from Wickla St Kevin of Glendalough circ 6 th Century AD – one strange dude IIRC – Apparently lived half way up a Cliff in a hole . The guides never say which Cliff ?

    The Dubliners had a great oul ditty in his i.e Kevin’s infamy ‘

    In Glendalough lived an oul saint
    Renowned for his learning and piety
    His manners were curious and quaint
    And he looked upon girld with disparity’

    You could finish with that renowed Senator Norris or Graham Norton comic . The political chapter could include such notables as the aforementioned King Billy with back ups in Mr Casement and sundry other fruits of the political class .

    Try to keep it non sectarian i.e not too many of the left footers of one sort or the other . Also don’t restrict yourself to the mere Irishry . You have to find a place for that infamous English double act of the Dublin Theatre scene i.e Michael Mac Liammoir ( real name John Williamson ) who was according to the Dublin wags always up to his Hilton Edwards (his stage and life )partner .

    As counterpoint to the above you could also list the more famous of our homophobes from Lord Edward Carson to Mrs Robinson and not forgetting Archbishop McQuaid even if he was known for placing his sweaty hands on little confirmants knees 🙁

    Go for it lad give yer man Tatchell a buzz and get yourself over to the next Pink Orange Day to eh launch your effort 🙂

  • Greenflag

    outsider ,

    ‘Its a pity you didn’t put as much thought into the actual battle at the Boyne. ‘

    eh ? None of us were around at the time and from what I recall in those days it was customary to leave the thinking to them what knows best which alas in Ireland’s case was Ri Seamus a Caca (King James the Shit ) as he was called unaffectionaltely by his Irish troops who never saw the man even once on the day of battle.

    Oul King Billy to give him his due was actually seen on the battlefield by his troops and came within firing range of Jacobite snipers who had a pot shot at him .

    Oddly enough there were hardly any English troops fighting on Williams side . Most were Dutch , Danes , French Protestants and Ulster protestant settlers . Apparently William was not sure he could rely on native English troops to fight against King James even if he was a Catholic . King Billy was only too well aware that a cabal which brought him the throne of England by coup d’etat could also take it from him by similar means .

  • Harry Flashman

    Christ of almighty is this thread still rattling on? I seem to recall in the dim and distant, Chablis fueled, hours of last night being accused by Seimi of killing it off, I seem to have done no such thing.

    As regards Eoghan’s uncharacteristically poe faced reply to my thread which was no more nor less offensive than 80% of the others, why on earth should I have to defend anyone’s position? That’s not my job or the job of any other poster, my role is to comment as I see fit and it is for you to reply, you obsess rather unhealthily about my personal background my friend, try not to, you’ll enjoy the debate so much more that way.

    Greenflag, have you any evidence that Edward Carson was a homophobe? If you are referring to the Wilde case I should remind you that Carson was merely a lawyer who was quite legitimately defending his client from a wrongful charge of libel. It was Wilde’s stupidity in bringing that charge that led to his downfall, Carson played no role whatsoever in his prosecution.

  • Mark Simpson

    Outsider said: “It taken the Catholic, Nationalist, Republican community over 300 years to come up with this nonsense.”

    Now you seem to believe there are no gay unionists. Fascinating stuff. But bollocks.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Apparently William was not sure he could rely on native English troops to fight against King James even if he was a Catholic . King Billy was only too well aware that a cabal which brought him the throne of England by coup d’etat could also take it from him by similar means.”

    Regarding British royalty, are the old English papists are the true heirs to the throne rather than Billy the import? Will the old English papists inherit the throne again one day and fullfill god’s will? Sure is’nt it mentioned in the Bible somewhere that the true tribe of Israel with the royal blood of David will take posession of the throne of Yahweh after being banished for several hundred years and the imposters and their flock will be deposed!

  • darth rumsfeld

    Greg, don’t go there mate…
    THis thread is nearly dead, and now you’ve started the legitimacy of the Jacobite succession, as if some of us couldn’t ignore the more than questionable antecedants of the Stuarts, Tudors, Plantagents,et cetera right back to King Harold ( or whoever if you’re Scots).

    Personally I think the idea of importing a head of state if the current one’s a bit duff has a lot of merit. By extension perhaps we could offload the First Lord of the treasury. I would be quite happy to invite a man much underestimated, but sure to be vindicated by history, and at a loose end in November ( if we can thole Broon that long). Less smarmy than Dave, always game for a laff- step forward Prime Minister Bush!!!!

  • nmc

    Misunderestimated surely…

  • According to a book I’m reading at present, Imprimatur, a novel based on research of documents from the time, the reason that the Pope supported William of Orange was the Dutch prince owed the Vatican so much money prior to this. It was good money chasing bad money.

  • Steve

    DARTH

    LOL theres me thinking you are a unionist! BNush aye that would put the game in.

    Look what hes done for the US and its union was far stronger than yours.

    And they used to have deeper pockets before he helped himself to them

    First you send all the jobs to China and then all the profits to Iraq, yeah thats sound economic policy

  • Ulsters my homeland

    This ‘Pope supporting William stuff’ seems to be made up years later to save the Vatican from embarrassment. At the time William gained the throne, the Pope viewed James III to be the rightful king of Scotland and England, not William.

  • Greenflag

    GOF ,

    ‘Regarding British royalty, are the old English papists the true heirs to the throne rather than Billy the import?

    No . If the Act of Settlement is amended and RC’s permitted by law to be yer actual Monarch then the Windsors are hushed off back to Saxe Coburg Gotha and the new ‘import ‘ Monarch would apparently be the Catholic 70 year old Duke of Bavaria 🙂

    I think Darth Rumsfeld is on to something with his comment

    ‘Personally I think the idea of importing a head of state if the current one’s a bit duff has a lot of merit.’

    I agree . Just imagine how NI might have turned out had they ‘imported’ all their Prime Ministers 1920 through 2008 :)?

    His further suggestion that George W Bush as British Prime Minister is one which he should not utter on the streets of any British city unless he’s contracted suicidal tendencies.

  • Greenflag

    Concubhar O Liathain ,

    ‘the reason that the Pope supported William of Orange was the Dutch prince owed the Vatican so much money prior to this.’

    At the time Holland was in many ways a copy of what is now happening in the USA . The money men, banks etc had usurped the economy and every con man/banker/usurer worth his salt was milking the system and Dutch people for what they could . Dutch ‘investors ‘ were sending money to England for better returns and the Dutch working class/peasants were chasing out dastardly German illegal immigrants who were prepared to work for lower wages than the Dutch . Billy was an opportunist and saw a less hazardous and potentially more rewarding material future in Blighty .

    ‘It was good money chasing bad money.’

    So the Pope’s money was good ? Well I suppose if you count up all the ‘indulgences ‘ sold to the naive and ignorant peasants of Europe over centuries plus ‘donations’ made from depraved aristoctrats in lieu of being damned to hell etc etc and compound the lot with centuries of interest then the Pope must have been in good shape financially by 1690 or naw I don’t think so . Back then there weren’t any ahem clerical scandals to pay off ?. Perhaps papal mistresses in earlier times had squandered the offerings of the poor ? Anyway what was a Catholic Pope doing lending money to a homosexual Protestant Prince ?
    I understand that stake burning for such heretics was no longer in vogue but surely the Pope had some ‘misgivings’ ?

    No Cardinals found hanging dead from beneath London Bridges at the time by any chance ?

  • Greenflag,

    ‘Good money after bad’ is an idiom – it’s not a moral judgement on the money given by the pope on this or any other occasion.

    The rest of your post is purewhataboutery – I merely added my reading of the conclusions of the novel, Imprimatur, based on records from the Vatican library and other sources, to the discussion. And if that book is anything to go by, there was a great deal of skullduggery going on in 17th century Rome/Europe.

    I don’t really care that King Billy was gay or not. I just think it’s ironic that his followers deny this as they have in the past denied the Vatican’s link with King Billy – http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/pope_cut_out_of_.htm

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]I merely added my reading of the conclusions of the novel, Imprimatur, [u]based on records from the Vatican library[/u] and other sources, to the discussion.”[/i]

    Well that should make it true then? because the Vatican’s historical records are free from forgeries. Oh wait, there’s the ‘Donation of Constantine’ and ‘Liber Pontificalis’ forgeries.

  • It seems I’ve touched a nerve. If you’re relying on these records being forged, you’re on a real long shot, especially given the portrait by Pieter Van Meulen which John Nixon and Co. stole from Stormont because it depicted the Pope blessing William.

    So sad…. the Battle of the Boyne was a popish plot!

  • Greenflag

    COL

    ‘Good money after bad’ is an idiom

    Of course as is ‘look before you leap ‘ and ‘he who hesitates is lost’ . I never could make up my mind which of those was the correct advice to follow 🙂

    Actually in the real world ‘bad money’ drives out good money but good money does not drive out bad money. The fiscal experience of Wood’s hapence in Irish economic history being an Irish case in point . Despite Zimbabwe’s present daily experience of reaching into the billions to denominate it’s bad money the world record is still I believe held by Weimar Germany the ahem 400 quadrillion Mark which IIRC circulated for all of ten minutes .

    As we live in a world where the dollar has been based on the oil standard since President Nixon’s time we are now witness to a new kind of currency devaluation no longer being ‘administered’ by a so called sovereign Government in Washington DC but by a cabal of nations who collectively control the supply of 80% of the worlds oil . Interesting times for economist soothsayers methinks . Mr Greenspan may have to look again at how ‘free markets’ operate in the real world as opposed to behind the walls of right wing think tanks .

    As for King Billy’s followers and irony ? Save your breath . Truth is that probably most of them think he was from Enniskillen . As for being a ‘foreigner ‘ ? Our Billy could’nt possibly be -he was as British as well as British as Finchley perhaps ? Not that any of this matters or should in the 21st century ffs 🙂

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]especially given the portrait by Pieter Van Meulen which John Nixon and Co. stole from Stormont because it depicted the Pope blessing William.”[/i]

    Concubhar O Liatháin, The character elevated is not Pope Innocent XI (the Pope who supposedly supported William financially.) The character is 10 stone heavier and looks nothing like Pope Innocent XI. I suspect the elevated character to be Bishop Burnet who was responsible for bringing William here in the first place. Bishop Burnet was largely responsible for getting the Toleration Act approved and William rewarded him by making him Bishop of Salisbury.

  • It wasn’t a photograph – it was a portrait. Perhaps the good artist was trying to be kind or unkind.

    I’m grateful for your contribution. It’s a pity that John Nixon MP hadn’t been au fait with art history as yourself.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “I suspect the elevated character to be Bishop Burnet who was responsible for bringing William here in the first place.”

    Why do you folk always suspect, but readily accept without question what you already believe?

    I’m an artist and painting is my forte. I’ve read about this painting before.

    Here is a link to it that I could find.

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41987000/jpg/_41987028_pic_horse.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_7011000/7011507.stm?id=1413&h=152&w=203&sz=14&hl=en&start=45&um=1&tbnid=4w0Wjk12Lv6

    ….and look who happens to be sitting in high heaven giving his blessing to William and Co below. The Pope himself. If you can see he has all the trapping of the pope , the mitre, the papal seal, etc…..

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]”It wasn’t a photograph – it was a portrait. Perhaps the good artist was trying to be kind or unkind.”[/i]

    There is obviously some artist license to be included when viewing old paintings, but I’m afraid an artist of Pieter Van Meulen’s quality (or if it was some other artist) would not have painted a sharp featured 10 stone Pope Innocent XI to look like a round featured 20 stone Pope.

    There’s every possibility that it was another Pope which was painted instead of Pope Innocent XI, if so, that offers another round of questions.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Greagoir O Frainclin

    [i]”….and look who happens to be sitting in high heaven giving his blessing to William and Co below. The Pope himself. If you can see he has all the trapping of the pope , the mitre, the papal seal, etc…..”[/i]

    If it is the Pope, which Pope is it? it’s definitely not Pope Innocent XI (who was the one who supposedly financed him)

    ..as for wearing all the trappings of the Pope, Bishops in England also wore red, like the Popes. They also wore tiara’s and mitres.

    Why the need for it to be a Pope, when it can as easily be a Bishop in England?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    another thing which isn’t quite right about the figure in the painting. Pope’s carry The crozier (a staff with a crook on the end). In the painting the figure is carrying a staff with seven branches (similar to the Jewish candles with seven branches)

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    UMH,

    Indeed, but as you are aware artists were unable to google the image of the pope at the time.
    And Van Meulen was probably unaware of how Innocent XI looked. So he has depicted the pope in an idealized style. This is quite common in European paintings. As you are well aware too, the popes of the time tended to stay put in Rome unlike the jetsetter pontiffs today.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Also regarding the Pope’s Crozier…..

    Check these links out of past Popes croziers….

    http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/opinion/media/r_PopeJ6%5B1%5D.jpg

    Scroll throughout the page and see a Pope Gregory the Great with his crozier similar to that in Van Meulen’s painting………

    You’ll have to do some work here with this one…http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://bp2.blogger.com/_6dKQTchkJaA/R6PVyxBaPOI/AAAAAAAAC5g/m8yryO-xTAM/s400/Cathedral+of+San+Gregorio+Magno,+Albay+(8).jpg&imgrefurl=http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/02/cathedral-of-san-gregorio-magno-st.html&h=400&w=300&sz=29&hl=en&start=104&um=1&tbnid=_a5pmu5O4sSZvM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev;=/images?q=Pope’s+crozier&start=90&ndsp=18&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

    Scroll to the bottom of the page and see a Pope Sylvester with his crozier similar to that in Van Meulen’s painting……

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosier

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Greagoir, if that is the case, would Van Meulen be depicting Innocent XI as a greedy, lavish Pope?

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Pope Gregory…try it again!

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://bp2.blogger.com/_6dKQTchkJaA/R6PVyxBaPOI/AAAAAAAAC5g/m8yryO-xTAM/s400/Cathedral+of+San+Gregorio+Magno,+Albay+(8).jpg&imgrefurl=http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/02/cathedral-of-san-gregorio-magno-st.html&h=400&w=300&sz=29&hl=en&start=104&um=1&tbnid=_a5pmu5O4sSZvM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev;=/images?q=Pope’s+crozier&start=90&ndsp=18&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Greagoir, if that is the case, would Van Meulen be depicting Innocent XI as a greedy, lavish Pope?”

    Yes indeed UMH, a greedy fat bastard living off the fat of the land and the people!

  • Ulsters my homeland

    regarding the crozier with the papal cross. Freemasons have a similar cross known as a Salem Cross.

  • Rory

    I’m getting confused here. Now why exactly did the pope loan money to William, was it because:

    a)he was a bad protestant? or,

    b)he was a rubbish king? or,

    c)he was a raving queen?

    Would different interest rates have attached accordingly? And, perhaps more importantly, did prompt repayment ensure his entry to heaven (or at least earn him a travelling alarm clock)?

    These are, to my mind at least. the questions which urgently need to be addressed and if they are not I shall immediately smell a conspiracy. Has no one but me noticed the similarity between the embroidered collarettes of the Orange Order and the embroidered stole worn by successive pontiffs? Don’t tell me they aren’t as thick as thieves; probably all gay as well.

  • silver_maestro

    “Seriously though, doesn’t the fact that William recived a papal blessing not bother Orangemen far more than his sexual preferences, alleged or otherwise?

    Posted by Seimi”

    More worrying, I think, that the Pope was against the Catholic King…sometimes you have to take one step back to take two forward…

  • Harry Flashman

    Greg, dude, sort the links out.

  • Fianna32

    King William married his 15 year old first cousin Mary

    Yuck!