About last night..

Firefighters dealt with 49 incidents at bonfires last night, coming under attack in counties Antrim and Londonderry with stones thrown at them in four incidents. Four derelict properties caght fire in east Belfast and a house and Woodstock Library were damaged by heat from bonfires and an orange lodge hall was attacked in county Antrim. Meanwhile two men were arrrested in Portadown when police were attacked with paint, petrol bombs, stones and fireworks – another report tells us that “Petrol bombs, stones, bottles and other missiles were hurled at police during the violence which police said was largely nationalist inspired.” More arrests for riotous behaviour in the New Lodge area of Belfast too and “clashes between rival groups” in the Broadway area. Plenty of references in the reports to those ubiquitous community representatives helping to restore calm..

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  • POL
  • ciaran

    Why don’t they just set fire to their own orange halls instead of wasting all those useful pallets? It would also save young catholics thugs from having to risk life and limb setting fire to them.And then I wonder would they attack the fire brigade?
    Oh dear I am starting to sound like a grumpy old man.

  • harry

    lovely.

    did the tourists get to see this side of the 12th Carnival? the NI tourist board missed a trick here. they could have run buses to see the true aspect of Orange hertiage in ireland.

  • Michael Shilliday

    I knew there would be damage to the Woodstock Road Library caused by a small “bonfire” at Portallo Street. Know how? There was one last year. Funny that the Police couldn’t make the same deductive leap and prevent the vandalism.

  • 6countyprod

    harry,

    Yeah, they could have brought the tourists to Obins St. Portadown and let them see who wants to continue with violence and destruction in NI… the nationalists of north Portadown

  • Comrade Stalin

    Funny that the Police couldn’t make the same deductive leap and prevent the vandalism.

    Michael, the police can’t move against the widespread illegality associated with the 11th night because organizations like the political party you’re a member of won’t support them for it.

    Bonfires on waste ground away from houses (like the one to the rear of the Day’s Hotel on Sandy Row) are a fair compromise. Others that block access or damage properties are not. I can’t imagine why unionism is afraid to deal with this matter.

  • NLodge

    The Provisional had pre-arranged pick ups organised across West Belfast to North Belfast. They were engaged in hand to hand fighting with youths in New Lodge and pepper spray was also used by them. The current line is they were trying to stop an attack on Tigers Bay but at the time the boots and fists were deployed local youths were attacking the RUC and the West Belfast Provisionals acted as Broy Harriers. This bussing in from West Belfast is growing as the Provisionals lose more support in north Belfast.

  • POL

    Yeah, they could have brought the tourists to Obins St. Portadown and let them see who wants to continue with violence and destruction in NI… the nationalists of north Portadown

    Yeah 6county could show them exact spot where Robert Hamill was kicked to death, and where the cops sat and watched.

  • Cuairteoir

    It’s reported on Politics.ie that a group of Planters crossed over the Donegal Rd and attacked Nationalist houses on Broadway.

  • RG Cuan

    The Hearld in Baile Átha Cliath has that story Cuairteoir.

    Another incredible story from today is that the OO’s head has advocated executions and has said that many people in the north would be willing to carry them out!

    What a nutcase.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbsneyeyql/

  • POL

    oops another shot in the foot for the brethern.
    Robert must be trying to get funding for his next course of action against residents groups, and at the same time find a role for loyalist ex-prisoners.

  • 6countyprod

    POL,

    Indeed, and bring them to the murdered Salvation Army man’s house in Corcrain, and all the other spots of violence where ‘loyalists’ and ‘nationals’ took it out on each other.

    Times have changed, and those things are supposed to be a thing of the past.

    But not for some Portadown nationalists, obviously.

  • POL

    Indeed, and bring them to the murdered Salvation Army man’s house in Corcrain, and all the other spots of violence where ‘loyalists’ and ‘nationals’ took it out on each other.

    Times have changed, and those things are supposed to be a thing of the past.

    But not for some Portadown nationalists, obviously.

    Nor obviously for Robert Saulters.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Times have changed’

    obviously not the motto of certain tangerine brethern who strut round extolling the virtues of a minor battle 400 years ago.

  • NLodge

    I hear the Provisionals started the busing operation again to contain any protests against the return route via Ardoyne especially after the UVF Samuel Rocket banner was yet again carried by the Orange this morning. Hopefully they don’t beat the people of the area too badly while enforcing their agreement with the DUP.

  • observer

    not surprising that Nationalists reject capital punishment, given it would mean executing the terrorists they have consistently voted for

  • Tunnelite

    Another night of 11th July trouble in Obins Street, Portadown, just like most previous years.

    It doesn’t take a genius to work out the cause – the annual siting and lighting of the biggest loyalist bonfire in Portadown with the presence of loyalist bands and the burning of tricolours and GAA flags just a roadway width away from the permanent peaceline erected to protect Catholic homes from attack. Not that it (the peaceline) does much good as, each year, for weeks beforehand, stones, bottles and golfballs are regularly thrown over that peaceline from the site of this ‘cultural event’. The Hamill family home which is very close to the peaceline is often singled out for the most verbal insults by those at the bonfore site

    Throw into this volatile sectarian mix, the deployment of large numbers of police in full riot gear from tea-time onwards clearly eager for aggro, and young nationalists giving vent to their frustrations and hey presto – guess what?

    A simple solution would be for the police (and those funding agencies like Craigavon Council who finance this annual “community festival”/bonfire) to insist that it is moved to another piece of vacant ground several hundred yards away.

    But that might be too logical for some!!!

  • Spiked

    I believe that a certain Mr Murray got hit with an iron bar wielded by a loyalist. I wonder if he and SF will accept the incident as “unionist outreach”!!!!!!!!

  • ciaran

    49 incidents at bonfires and one caused by nationlists.Which side is the more well behaved. And why are people trying to make this look worse than all those attacks on the fire brigade and the police.I wonder?

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    ciaran

    Hypocrisy is something Unionism does without so much as flinching an eye lid. The only surprise is that young Nationalists are so well behaved and on the whole ignore supremacist hate gangs.

  • And it is here ….

    “dont know what the tourists would have done.”

    Admired the spectacular wildlife in all its gloery?

  • Pete Baker

    Eoghan

    You should be more sceptical of Ciaran’s figures. Since they are clearly wrong.

    Look again at the details given in the original post.

    Firefighters dealt with 49 incidents where bonfires posed a risk, and were attacked with stones on four occasions – no injuries.

    By contrast, 14 police injured elsewhere [Portadown and New Lodge] in attacks involving petrol bombs, fireworks, stones and other missiles.

    And 5 people injured in clashes between rival groups [Broadway].

    2 already charged in the Portadown attack on the police (described by the police as “largely nationalist inspired”) and 2 arrested in the New Lodge attack.

  • picador

    2 already charged in the Portadown attack on the police (described by the police as “largely nationalist inspired”) and 2 arrested in the New Lodge attack.

    And we all believe the police on these matters, don’t we!?

  • picador

    I believe that a certain Mr Murray got hit with an iron bar wielded by a loyalist. I wonder if he and SF will accept the incident as “unionist outreach”!!!!!!!!

    Where did this occur and what were the circumstances?

  • Pete Baker

    picador

    Whether you believe the police or not the actual details contradict ciaran’s attempt at blaming themmuns.

  • NLodge

    And absolutely no coverage anywhere of the assaults by the bused in provisionals on young people. That’s why it is happening again in North Belfast as we speak.

  • agh

    Sorry Nlodge – can u elaborate? They are bused in to prevent rioting?

  • picador

    I would guess that the previous poster is referring to proceedings in Ardoyne where loyalist are ‘returning’ home. Plenty of scope for trouble there.

  • Tunnelite

    According to an admin worker in Craigavon A&E;, no police were admitted on Friday night/Saturday morning.
    I wonder which other hospital they went to??????
    If they were at all.

  • Spiked

    Has anyone heard how Mr Murray’s hand is??????

  • Spiked

    Where did this occur and what were the circumstances?
    Posted by picador on Jul 12, 2008 @ 09:23 PM

    I believe it occurred at Broadway

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Pete

    ciaran – >>49 incidents at bonfires and one caused by nationlists.<< In the face of intense provocation, be it Tunnelite's imput @ 07:37 PM or the alleged attacks by Unionists across Broadway and the thus far unclear goings-on in the New Lodge. It is far from clear if Nationalists are even wholly responsible for one incident of the 49. Even if they were Ciaran's point is pretty much unaffected, as is mine. Btw, I see that a sometimes commentator here, and part-time right-wing Waco demagogue type has decided it is sponsorship time and opened up his blog to non-registered visitors. He is very clear on who is to blame, and it is themmuns. What is it about Unionists and hypocrisy?

  • RepublicanStones

    Don’t worry PE my oar is well and truly stuck in over there 😉

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    RS

    I meant to give you some advice, a kind of heads up as it were the other week, but have noticed since that you don’t seem to be in need of it. I would have bet that your arse would have been kicked out within a week. Anyhow no matter how right you are you will ALWAYS be wrong, the psychophants will always rally around their david, and don’t expect parity of any kind and you’ll be right. Me I barred myself long ago after initially being barred. Joyfully greeting the death of children was not my thing, something I made crystal. I guess you wouldn’t have to guess the religion or nationality of these middle eastern weans?

  • Observer

    Pete just doesn’t seem to get it, does he.
    Sectarian trolls across the North drink themselves into a frenzy of slavering anticipation of setting fire to a bonfire with symbols dear to their neighbours perched on top.
    They know they’re going to be staggering through towns and villages the next day, proclaiming their supremacy. The local TV station will legitimise them by showing special programmes highlighting their dreary artwork and monotonous music. Politicians and other people in suits will talk about dignity and respect and most of the North will come to a standstill to facilitate them.
    Sure why wouldn’t you burn out a few Fenians?
    Nobody would mind. Anyway, you can be fairly certain nobody in the media is going to have the temerity to blame you.

  • Rory

    No Orange parades in North East London yesterday and so peace prevailed and we were able to quietly get on with the business of stabbing each other to death. Surely there is a lesson to be drawn here.

  • POL

    2 already charged in the Portadown attack on the police (described by the police as “largely nationalist inspired”) and 2 arrested in the New Lodge attack.

    psni say so …so it must be true then hmmmm.Is this the same psni who told the irish govt that there was no loyalist attacks on nationalist families in stoneyford.

  • POL

    How many flags, names of dead children or overtly sectarian slogans do you think were draped across the bonfires of the wee pravince. And how many will be denied the 3grand as a result.I`ll not be holding my breath.

  • Trouble in Rasharkin:

    Antrim pub petrol bombed on eve of Twelfth

    Also reports of police using gas spray on Saturday evening in Rasharkin after the parading had ended.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Regarding the attack on Se Og’s Bar in Rasharkin, the word on the street is that it’s a fued between Seamus Og Martin (past owner of the bar) and a local called Hardy who now owns it.

    If the past owner Seamus Og Martin hasn’t got enough Republican credentials in his IRA brother being shot by the SAS, the current owner is following the same pattern as he was lifted by the police for the recent attack on Rasharkin Orange Hall.

  • picador

    umh

    Go to the police with your evidence. Otherwise quit slandering people.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘the word on the street’

    Tell me UMH do you wear a leather jacket and slick back hair? Ever race anyone for pinks?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    picador

    “[i] Go to the police with your evidence.

    Otherwise quit slandering people.” [/i]

    You’re just and armchair Republican, sad-o. On another thread you were placing suspicion on loyalists for the attack and claiming loyalist provocation is to blame for much of the violence surrounding Rasharkin. You obviously know damn all about the situation, yet you’re willing to use it against loyalists and Orange parades. Pathetic armchair Republican

  • picador

    That’s fighting talk umh.

    Now be a good boy and go get ready for bed.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    ….an armchair comedian too!

  • POL

    #

    Regarding the attack on Se Og’s Bar in Rasharkin, the word on the street is that it’s a fued between Seamus Og Martin (past owner of the bar) and a local called Hardy who now owns it.

    If the past owner Seamus Og Martin hasn’t got enough Republican credentials in his IRA brother being shot by the SAS, the current owner is following the same pattern as he was lifted by the police for the recent attack on Rasharkin Orange Hall.
    Posted by Ulsters my homeland on Jul 13, 2008 @ 02:08 PM
    #

    umh

    And the bombing of Mc Gurks bar was a republican own goal hmmmm. Looks like slander to me.

  • POL

    Although police have not yet established a motive for the attack, DUP MLA Mervyn Storey said the incident was a deliberate attempt to stir up tensions in the run up to the Twelfth.

    “There can be little doubt that this attack was carried out by people with a vested interest in damaging community relations in the Rasharkin area,” he said.

    Obviously Mervyn Storey disagrees with you on this one umh.

    The cops statement, sure thats hardly surprising, its not often that they come out directly and state loyalist involvement, usually the same old one liner ” LOOKING FOR A MOTIVE”

  • Ulsters my homelad

    “And the bombing of Mc Gurks bar was a republican own goal hmmmm. Looks like slander to me.”

    POL, here’s another bit of so-called slander. After the evening parade in Rasharkin dozens of Republicans went the field and attacked the Orangemen, women and children with bricks and bottles.

    They aren’t even safe in the field, such is Republican hatred.

  • POL

    makes a change, normally the other way round.Not that i would condone such behaviour.However you tend to believe that this trouble is one way traffic and tend to have quite a blinkered view of all things loyalist.

  • POL

    As a matter of interest though, how far from the field is the nationalist estate( i`m assuming not far at all cos obviously the attackers walked there)which beggars the question why have the field there. You see we have to then go back to the drawing board and devise a cunning plan, like,march were you are welcome and dont incite the natives.
    Its commonsense really.