International Man of Hypocrisy

Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has gone to Iraq to be part of a meeting attempting reconciliation and peace making between the local Sunni and Shia populations. The DFM had this to say:“It is quite important to drop pebbles into a pool in the hope that the waves will reach all shores and that’s what we’re doing,” he said. “That’s what we did in Helsinki 1, and Helsinki 2.
“I suppose now we’re dropping a bigger pebble in the pool by actually going ourselves physically to Baghdad to declare the politicians and others as people of courage – people who are showing leadership in a very difficult time for their country.”

Meanwhile in another conflict in which the republican movement may have had a less peaceful role in, the Colombian army has freed a number of hostages held by the FARC. The same FARC (the cocaine baron ones) as members of the republican movement may have met during one of their South American bird watching expeditions and the same FARC who subsequently quite spontaneously developed the ability to make mortars remarkably similar to IRA ones.

Despite Mr. McGuinness’s rather bizarre remarks about making waves, most people here will remember him rather better for leadership of an organisation more given to creating bomb shock waves. Still I am sure he will manage to look past the nauseating hypocrisy of himself in the role of peacemaker. After all Mr. McGuinness thinks he is “well rounded, compassionate and understanding.” What better attributes could one want in a peacemaker (I am sure he is modest as well).

  • Steve

    LOL Turgon it really gets a bug under your bonnet that Marty has a higher more respected profile internationally then all the unionists combined

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    What is it the bible says about the peacemaker Turgon?

    Get a grip man, spite is so yesterday.

  • RepublicanStones

    Turgon your rant blissfully ignores the reality of the environment in which Krusty grew up in. Your obviously in the nature as opposed to nurture camp. The hisotry of the origins of the conflict in Ireland are there for all to read, and Krusty’s activities are a component part of this overall picture, which you seem unwilling to accept. As regards his attempt to bring peace to Iraq, some people believe that the coalition (of disaster) purposely stirred up sectarian hatred in Iraq, as it means less bullets spinning toward the ‘good guys’. Of course they didn’t have to import huge numbers of another ‘sect’ to achieve this. If Krusty is serious he should lend the Iraqi’s a slogan of Sinn Fein and allow them a little artistic licence….’Brits and Yanks Out’

  • Dave

    Brits out, RS? You missed the memo. It’s changed to ‘Brits in – if we can administer their rule.’ The visit is one puppet administration lending support to another.

    The only lessons that will be learned from NI and applied to terrorist groups in Iraq are already being applied by the people who taught NI those lessons: British Intelligence. The former of boss of a good portion of McGuinness and his ilk, Brigadier Gordon Kerr of the FRU/JSG and now controlling the SRR in Iraq, along with other familiar faces from military intelligence are busy apllying the same tactics they used to control the IRA.

  • heck

    talking about “nauseating hypocrisy” should’nt the staff be held to the man/ball rule as well as the contributers.

    Turgon should be given a yellow card for this post

  • El Paso

    How beastly! Stinky McGuinness is getting on with his life regardless of how Turgon feels. Don’t go upsetting yourself Turgon, he’s just not worth it. Move on, get a life and with a bit of luck your real Mr Right will come along. You deserve no less.

  • 6countyprod

    Right Dave, if you can’t beat um, join um!

    It took a long time for SF to wise up to that one. The Sunnis and Shias in Iraq have been a little quicker on the uptake.

  • Mac

    Turgon,

    Ad hominem comments are not mature. Play the ball not the man.

  • PeaceandJustice

    RepublicanStones – “Turgon your rant blissfully ignores the reality of the environment in which Krusty grew up in.”

    Your own rants ignore the reality of the environment everyone else was forced to grow up in due to your friends in the Sinn Fein PIRA death squads. They also ignore the reality of the environment Protestants were forced to be part of in Eire.

    To Turgon – The world indeed has been turned upside down when a self-confessed member of the SF PIRA murder gangs is sent to sort out Iraq. The terrorist who said: “If I have had the opportunity to kill every single British soldier that was on the streets of [Londonderry] I would have killed every single one of them without any difficulty whatsoever.”

    If the Bogside Butcher was sorry for his own actions then it would be a start. The fact that he isn’t sends out a message of hate over hope.

  • Damian O’Loan

    In every invasion that the US has taken part in since WWII, the narrative has been that of a civil war, with the US playing the role of peacekeepers there only to support the role of democracy. It should be noted that at this, without exception, involves democracy where a regime favourable to US economic interests takes power, and always at the cost of massive civilian death-tolls.

    In Iraq, because not a single journalist has been allowed or able to see anything beyond what they are shown by the US military and government, we cannot prove beyond doubt that this is not the case. We know that the ethnic tensions have been stoked by a foreign presence dating over a century, and that the British government has, in Iraq and elsewhere, used the same tactic.

    We may note that at the moment the US is trying to force through a law immunizing private security contractors from legal consequences and guaranteeing them a permanent role in the country.

    Martin McGuinness is, at least, a fool for illustrating this false narrative. The DUP are guilty of the same offense.

  • RepublicanStones

    P&J;please elaborate on the plight of protestants in Eire.

    ‘sends out a message of hate over hope’

    just like every post you submit !

  • joeCanuck

    the US is trying to force through a law immunizing private security contractors from legal consequences

    Damian,
    Slight correction. These “contractors” are presently immune. The US is trying to block a law that would make them accountable to Iraqi civil authorities.

  • greenzone

    Hang on Britain and USA went to war in Iraq to steal the oil wealth of a soverign country.
    The green zone he’ll visit is no different from British political visitors visiting Crossmaglen during the conflict and giving lessons to say members of the official IRA on how to get on with the Orange order.
    if that political visitor was killed by a motar while on the crossmaglen tour Sinn Fein would have claimed he was a legitimate target.

  • RepublicanStones

    Its my understanding that Paul Bremer brought in this wild west immunity during his tenure. Rather like Bush not signing up to the international war crimes treaty.

    “fire for effect”
    “fire at will”
    “weapons free”
    “oops”
    “ahh well”

  • EWI

    Meanwhile in another conflict in which the republican movement may have had a less peaceful role in, the Colombian army has freed a number of hostages held by the FARC. The same FARC (the cocaine baron ones) as members of the republican movement may have met during one of their South American bird watching expeditions and the same FARC who subsequently quite spontaneously developed the ability to make mortars remarkably similar to IRA ones.

    I’m just going to ask again, Mick and others: why the hell did Slugger give the keys to the posting system here over to such an unrepentant troll? Is there any of this crap that Turgon writes either (i) proven (ii) relevant in any way to Slugger’s topical debate style or (iii) even intended for engendering discussion, rather just mostly trolling?

    If ‘Turgon the Wise’ wants a soapbox to pontificate, surely he can be told to go get his own blog, instead of polluting Slugger with this drivel. (I expect a Turgon post to pop up one day, espousing his theories on how Adam & Eve lived with the dinosaurs)

  • EWI

    They also ignore the reality of the environment Protestants were forced to be part of in Eire.

    P&J;, coming rom a mixed background, I too would be entertained to discover what this ‘environment’ that Protestants were ‘forced’ to be part of in ‘Eire’ (how quaint!) was.

    Perhaps you’re referring to the Guinness situation, where it was ‘no Catholics need apply’ until the Fifties…?

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>Damian,
    Slight correction.<

  • Mac

    P&J;Protestants in the northeastern part of Eire did quite handsomely for a number of years. Protestant parliament for a Protestant people wasn’t it?

    I presume of course you mean the proper constitutional translation of Eire as ‘Ireland’ and not the phoney Daily Mail meaning – the mere 26 counties.

  • Damian O’Loan

    Thanks Joe, I did know but failed miserably to express that. The key difference to me is that this will then be held as accountable democratically-elected Iraqi government with its own military, free from US involvement. As big a lie as you could hope to find, and we now find a ‘socialist freedom-fighter’ off lending a hand.

    The question is, is he “playing along” or is he being played?

  • Peat Blog

    The question is, is he “playing along” or is he being played?

    Or is he being paid more like. What’s the mileage to Baghdad?

  • ulsterfan

    I thought Turgon’s comments were fair ,relevant and balanced.
    Those who object have little or no reason to do so.
    Perhaps they are embarrassed by McGuiness record as a public representative being so co operative with administrating British Rule in Ireland.
    With this history he may have been recommended to the Americans by Whitehall and in turn they may use him for their own purposes and propaganda.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘with administrating British Rule in Ireland.’

    Good man Ulsterfan, your sentence itself shows deep down you realise that British rule in Ireland is morally wrong.

  • ulsterfan

    RS
    British Rule in NI is a reality and I support this fully.
    The question of morality does not arise.
    It is however Legitimate—–a fact of life.

  • BfB

    Damian O’Loan
    joeCanuck
    greenzone

    Eat your heart out..
    ‘Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.’

    I’ll take your anti-American tinfoil hatted ranting (as usual not supported by fact..stealing oil ) as something driven by your eye watering jealousy of the fact that we FREE Americans are celebrating 232 years of well earned FREEDOM and prosperity.

    This is where you poor dhimmi bastards are headed.
    Fasten your seat belts and have a nice trip.
    Info forwarded to code pink. You’ll feel right at home.

    Roasted pig tastes good today!! Roasted pig?
    Nah, to easy.

  • PeaceandJustice

    EWI – “I too would be entertained to discover what this ‘environment’ that Protestants were ‘forced’ to be part of in ‘Eire’ .. was”.

    Interesting choice of word (‘entertained’) when talking about Protestants being ethnically cleansed from Eire.

    Due to the widespread intimidation of Protestants including murder, burning of property and ethnic cleansing, a third of the Protestant population left Eire between 1911 and 1926. Protestants were forced to accept the Roman Catholic and Nationalist ethos or get out.

    Even in 1983 we had the Roman Catholic Bishops say “A Catholic country and its government where there is a very considerable Catholic ethos and consensus shouldn’t feel it necessary to apologise that its legal system may sometimes be represented as offensive to minorities”.

    EWI – “coming rom a mixed background”
    If that is correct it simply proves what many people say about the Roman Catholic church i.e. given your sectarian posts.

    EWI – “If ‘Turgon the Wise’ wants a soapbox to pontificate, surely he can be told to go get his own blog, instead of polluting Slugger with this drivel.”

    Oh wouldn’t it be great if you didn’t have a Protestant about the place. You could ‘talk’ to your type all day long without interruption about your hatred of Protestant Unionists – and reminisce about the ‘good’ old days when SF PIRA terrorists like the Bogside Butcher could murder and torture such people.

  • Billy

    RepublicanStones

    You just beat me to it with your comment about the laughably named “PeaceandJustice”

    “‘sends out a message of hate over hope’

    just like every post you submit !”

    He just doesn’t want to accept that the pre 1968
    Unionist misrule is gone for good and that we “croppies” will never lie down.

    I try to ignore his hate and his hypocrisy about ‘loyalist’ terrorism. Just enjoy the fact that the substantial and ever increasing RoI involvement in the running of the North must make him so unhappy.

    Best of all is the fact that the tide is moving (sometimes slowly) but inevitably in 1 direction and there is nothing that people like him who yearn for the bad old days can do about it.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘British Rule in NI is a reality and I support this fully.
    The question of morality does not arise.
    It is however Legitimate—–a fact of life.’

    Obviously being of colonial mindset you support the british presence in Ireland.
    Obvioulsy being of colonial mindset the morality of the situation does not enter into it for you.
    Obviously being of a colonial mindset you view the occupation of a land by your ‘motherland’ to be legitimate.
    Obvioulsy the fact that the irish cause for freedom has a level of international support unionism can only dream of does not bother you.
    Obviously the legitimacy of your statelet is brought into question when your beloved govt consults with what you mistakenly view as a foreign govt on matters pertaining to your ‘wee country’.

  • Rory

    Unity between Sunni and Shia in Iraq would be an important step to take if the Iraqi people are to have any hope of throwing out the imperialist invasion forces and reclaiming their nation’s wealth for the benefit of all their people and if it is McGuiness’s intention to facilitate such unity then we should applaud it.

    If however the purpose of the conference is to provide a fig leaf of decorum to cover the true intent of the purpose of the US and its little UK helper in Iraq, as I rather suspect, then his participation is to be deplored and I hope that Sinn Féin activists make their displeasure at it forcefully felt at the first opportunity that presents.

  • PeaceandJustice

    To Billy –

    The hatred you post can’t be good for your health. As regards your sectarian comments towards me, they are no surprise. I will repeat however, that I don’t and have never supported any form of terrorism – unlike your Pan-Nationalist friends on here.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘that I don’t and have never supported any form of terrorism’

    so obviously you agree that british activities in Ireland throughout hisotry were wrong, and that 1912, Carson et al was wrong.

  • joeCanuck

    Bfb,

    Get a grip man. How does pointing out an indisputable fact, with no commentary, make me an anti-American tin-hatted ranter?
    I think you need to examine your own insecure psyche.

  • Mac

    P+J

    Let me repeat: your translation of Eire is incorrect. The name Eire pertains to the island of Ireland. I presume you do not speak Irish – so if I were you I would not deign to approximate in English a word from a language in which I do not speak.

    I would be delighted to help should you show an interest in learning the oldest vernacular language in Europe.

    Oíche mhaith

  • BfB

    indisputable fact

    Thankyou for making my point.

  • RepublicanStones

    4th july eh BfB, Im sure the first nations are joyfully celebrating with you palefaces !

  • Greenflag

    Bfb ,

    ‘by your eye watering jealousy of the fact that we FREE Americans are celebrating 232 years of well earned FREEDOM and prosperity.’

    Congratulations belated on the USA’s happy day . And yes America did lead the way to democracy with a lot of help from the French in getting rid of British monarchical tyranny . For this the world owes the USA a debt of thanks .

    Having freed yourselves from the Brits and established a Republic 232 years ago would it not now be about time for another ‘revolution’? How about freeing yourselves from the oil barons and neo con criminals in corporate America and on Wall St and from the theives who run the Health Care racket ? The above lot have robbed and fleeced the american citizen for the last decade or more.?

    If ye did it once you can do it again . And as the last one started in Massachussetts you can make it two in row :)?

  • PeaceandJustice

    To Mac – What does it say on the passport for the 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland? That’s right, Eire.

  • BfB

    Stones

    Ya, the native Americans, that’s a new one….
    Then we’ll get down to South America and get the Spaniards out, working our way to Australia, Hawaii,
    prat.

    Greenie,
    As Elvis would say…Thank you, thank you very much…..;-)

    You’re right about the second revolution. It is coming with this next election, regardless of who wins. And I can’t wait.
    A few peels of the healthcare, oil crisis, wall street, global warming, alternative energy, onion (scams) shows nary a conservative in sight, again, start reading non-fiction…eh?
    Time to blow up things!!!

  • joeCanuck

    In my 27 years in North America, I have yet to meet, face to face, an American that I did not like. Now on-line may be a different matter!

  • steve

    Joe
    As individuals americans are usually perfectly nice people

    put 3 of them in the same room and they think they have the only free society and put 5 in the same room and they believe they have the divine right to rule the world

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘What does it say on the passport for the 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland? That’s right, Eire.’

    Would that be the passport that people in the north are eligible for too?

    BfB the truth will set you free.

  • fionn

    P&J;, the UK passport says ‘United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’. Thereby proving that the 6 counties of ‘Northern Ireland’ are not a part of Britain?

  • POL

    Totally lost track of the original thread on this one.

  • Greenflag

    Bfb,

    ‘Time to blow up things!!! ‘

    No it’s not . It’s time instead to stop blowing up things . The USA’s deficit /national debt ,the rapidly sinking dollar, the housing crash , the stock market collapse , the epidemic of greedy financial Wall St executives thieving american retirement funds , the world’s most expensive and least effective Health Care system , an immigration mess etc etc .

  • Forecast

    Republican Stones
    ‘Obvioulsy the fact that the irish cause for freedom has a level of international support unionism can only dream of does not bother you. ‘

    Such a level of support that includes FARC, Colonel Gadaffi, Cuba and a street in Tehran named after Bobby Sands. With friends and gallant supporters like that who needs enemies. Remind me never to come to a party round your house mate.

    All whilst the rest of the democratic, liberal world was sickened by IRA violence in the cause of said Irish Freedom.

  • RepublicanStones

    Forecast, i metioned the cause, not the players involved. Also if your using Bobby Sands, try not to cherry pick pieces of international reaction, as it highlights your own narrow minded little head.

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ACrcYikjTBY

    I guess it annoys you that unionism doesn’t have such support. Oh and the world has long been sickened by british and unionist activity in Ireland. You can’t polish a turd.

  • PeaceandJustice

    RepublicanStones – “Would that be the passport that people in the north are eligible for too?”

    Individuals can decide to have a foreign passport from Eire. That doesn’t change the status of Northern Ireland, UK.

    fionn – “the UK passport says ‘United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’. Thereby proving that the 6 counties of ‘Northern Ireland’ are not a part of Britain?”

    As it says on the passport, the UK is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No one is saying otherwise. The term ‘Britain’ is often used in the media as an alternative to the UK and the people of the United Kingdom are defined as British. Lesson over for today.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Bush made him go!

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Funny I’d never heard of Marty being tempted by the flesh before. A happilly married man as far as I know. I reckon this would come under the umbrella of defamation a la the other thread on this ;¬)