The gay man who became straight…

THE News Letter has tracked down a man who claims he used to be gay, but – with the help of Iris Robinson’s favourite psychologist – became straight. The man in question was the victim of sexual abuse when he was younger, and didn’t have a “concrete relationship” with his father, which he seems to believe contributed to his homosexuality. He adds: “I have found there are a whole range of factors that in some way stop a man becoming masculine. If they aren’t dealt with by puberty these needs are suddenly eroticised. Straight people often say ‘gay people must be born that way’ because they can’t understand it. But when I probe them more closely such people have always had healthy relationships with a significant male role model as they grew up.” It’s an interesting, somewhat tragic, story – but is it really possible to generalise for all gay men? I’m sure there are plenty of gay people who grew up in stable families, had healthy relationships with their fathers, are happy and secure in their sexuality and were never abused – aren’t there?

  • “Its a miracle! I can walk again”

    I love how Christian fundamentalists just don’t get how absolutely and utterly ridiculous they appear to the rest of us.

  • Garibaldy

    What about masculine gay men? How does he explain that?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    There are a lot of things that aren’t explained here, but to be fair it’s only a short-ish article that isn’t going to cover everything. I’ve tried to concentrate on what the guy said, as opposed to what he hasn’t.

  • RepublicanStones

    I wonder if his bank balance has too changed because of this article?

  • observer

    but is it really possible to generalise for all gay men?

    From what i have heard from Dr Miller on the Nolan show he doesnt belive that this applies to all gay men, rather a small minority who may be helped by his services.

    Indeed, the only people who are saying that this guy can turn gays straight are nolan and those with an anti-Iris agenda.

  • Dec

    I’ve tried to concentrate on what the guy said, as opposed to what he hasn’t.

    Quite, but it’s hard to ignore the underlying implication that he considers homosexuality a condition that can be ‘cured’. One observation, which this interview appears to bear out, is that the pro-Sharia lobby do appear to be ignorant of the concept of bisexuality.

  • TAFKABO

    By all accounts, most straight men can be turned gay, with enough pints.

  • Maybe this has beeen said before, but there are too many posts on too many strands for me to remember:

    People can always ‘modify’ their sexual behaviour to fit an aspiration. In the past many many gay men acted straight because it was simply unacceptable not to. Some gay people went into religious orders (Catholics only, I expect) to avoid the expectations of sexuality counter to their real preferences. Many heterosexual men and women denied their sexuality through vows of chastity.

    So it is not impossible that this individual has repressed some part of his sexuality in order to comply with some other part of his complex personality. Or maybe he was (as he seems to be implying) never really gay in the first place – he was just acting gay to fit what he thought he was. Or maybe he was, and still is, bisexual, and just prioritises one side of that as he feels it necessary?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Imagine finding other mens bits desirable, ugghhhh! Disgusting buggers. What’s the fascination in a rear end anyhow, [i]creepy![/i]

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Horseman

    “[i]Some gay people went into religious orders (Catholics only, I expect) to avoid the expectations of sexuality counter to their real preferences.”[/i]

    and most of them turned into pedophiles, so it’s possible to change from being gay.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘and most of them turned into pedophiles, so it’s possible to change from being gay.’

    im sure your going to furnish us with figures on which you’ve based this statement. If not, i think your not the first person to suffer a virtual ‘laughed out of the room’.

    And it seems your inferring paedophiles cannot be gay. Again ‘laughed out of the room’.

  • observer

    And it seems your inferring paedophiles cannot be gay. Again ‘laughed out of the room’.

    Posted by RepublicanStones on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:54 PM

    Im sure that enough priests have proved that it is possible to be both

  • RepublicanStones

    One wonders observer why you felt the need to use Priests as an example…..actually its pretty obvious.

  • observer

    One wonders observer why you felt the need to use Priests as an example…..actually its pretty obvious.

    Posted by RepublicanStones on Jun 11, 2008 @ 02:09 PM

    What is it youre denying? That many priests are Pedos…Gay or both?

  • RepublicanStones

    Where have i denied anything?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [b]RepublicanStones [/b]

    “[i]im sure your going to furnish us with figures on which you’ve based this statement. If not, i think your not the first person to suffer a virtual ‘laughed out of the room’.

    And it seems your inferring paedophiles cannot be gay. Again ‘laughed out of the room’.[/i]

    There was at one time 50% of the Priesthood who were gay, this number has now fallen to 25%.
    http://atheism.about.com/od/catholicismandgays/a/gaypriests.htm

    “Scandals involving priests who have sexually abused children have been a source of many problems for the Roman Catholic Church. One of those problems has been the situation of gay priests. Statements from Vatican officials have expressed strong disapproval of the very existence of homosexuals within the priesthood — [b]the presumption being[/b] that the sexual abuse problems are caused by gays and that if they disappear, then so will the problem.”

    I would say it’s more than a presumption. The Vatican knows rightly that was the problem, they’re so secretive they never reveal the truth publicly. When you cage an animal it changes, just the same way if you cage a gay, you change his ways.

  • RepublicanStones

    you provide a link to an Agnostic/atheist website about Catholic clergy and still no figures in the link. LMAO

    ‘just the same way if you cage a gay, you change his ways.’

    please elaborate on this…have you caged many gays? and if so what way did they change?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]”you provide a link to an Agnostic/atheist website about Catholic clergy and still no figures in the link. LMAO”[/i]

    lucky you aren’t a priest or your arse won’t be laughing

  • RepublicanStones

    Tumbleweed.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Imagine the Vatican cutting down on gay Priests when the problem is said to be from peodophiles? strange decision, but hardly surprising as the majority of the children abused were young boys. didn’t the Greeks have a vibrant gay society and men-to-boys wasn’t uncommon at that time.

  • person

    Sounds to me like the guy in the article has used a psychiatrist to repress his bisexuality.

    Great first comment by Anon8 on the newsletter article.
    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/My-life-was-changed-by.4171827.jp?articlepage=2

  • Teaser

    I can’t stand Iris’s Quisling unionist politics, but her strongly worded remarks about gays,(look how they have stolen a beautiful little word in the English language to euphemize their perversion)shows us that she is exactly the right person to chair the Health Committee.

  • RepublicanStones

    UMH you gonna tell where you got those figures? did you happen to buy magic beans off the same man?
    How about those gays you’ve caged, what happened to them?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [b]RepublicanStones[/b]

    A book by Father Donald Cozzens ‘Faith that Dares to Speak’ says that 50% of Priests in training were gay. Current estimates are around 20% some are higher.

    If you like figures, there’s a good read on http://thras.blogspot.com, but I can’t post the full link as this website says it ss blacklisted. the thread title is called “Why Catholics Can’t Afford Gay Priests”. I’m sure the author and owner of the blog will be willing to give your sources for the figures if you so desire.

    “85% of the cases that have come to light involve priests and teenage boys. Given that about 3% of the male population is homosexual, and estimates for the Catholic clergy are somewhere around 20%, then the 85% male-male abuse pattern can mean only one thing: homosexual priests are at the center of the sexual abuse problem for the Catholic Church. From these numbers, a gay priest is 23 times more likely than a heterosexual to be involved in an abuse scandal costing the Church millions of dollars. It’s a monetary issue. Catholics simply can’t afford gays any longer if they’re going to behave like this.”

  • Ulsters my homeland

    to help you look for the link within that site, it’s dated 2005-09-26

  • West Belfast

    UMH

    One word – KINCORA.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    also, don’t be surprised if the Vatican supports lowering the legal age of consent, just like the gay lobbyists.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    West Belfast. Too right, they were a pile of gays too, who liked boys. Gays are the root of the problem!

  • Buggery was a capital offence until not so long ago. During the Second World War, Soviet POWs buggered each other by the barrow load andm ost others masturbated to relieve their obvious stress at the hands of their Nazi captors. Most Nazi leaders were also closet faggots and they relieved their stress by gassing Poles, Jews and gypsies. J Edna Hoover was a notorious faggot and we all know what he got off on to relieve his stress. Many RC priests were dragooned into their “vocation” as kids and, as they never mentally developed, they go for kids, ioften below the age of puberty. More studies are needed there.
    Colm O’Gorman did well out of “the gift” Fr Fortune gave him.
    A lot of homosexuality is social conditioning.

    Guess what country is #2 in the world for male to female sex change operations? Good old Islamic Republic of Iran. Cutting the willies off would give Jim Gibney, Norris, O’Gorman and the rest of them food for thought. Misery likes company.

  • Moochin Photoman

    You can’t tell me the writer didn’t see the irony in this quote

    “They were scratching the very place I itched most;”

    I gotta say that between this tread and the other one there are few folks shooting themselves in the foot

  • earnan

    I have read that the amount of Catholic Priests gay or pedophile is close to the percentage in the general population. But you won’t hear that from the media.

  • earnan

    That may or may not be true, but to suggest the 50% of priest are gay is ridiculous. I am not a Catholic now, but I was an altar boy for many years when I was a kid. I was also involved with the other church organizations, workcamps etc and the vast majority of the priests I met and knew were solid human beings. If any of them were gay, it never showed. I feel as though non Catholics think there is some kind of epidemic. yes, things happened, and the coverup by some Cardinals, Bishops, etc is despicable. But its not some widespread thing, at least in my experiences.

    At the same time, I would think that those clergy who are/were predators would like to get themselves in situations, like orphanages, where they can abuse children and be able to get away with it.

  • http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0211fea2.asp

    Eernan: You obviously picked that up in the media. Here is a Romish source.
    The gay priest syndrome is a way for the New World Order to colonise new cash cows. That explains the O’Gorman case and the Paul Shanley case is largley explained by it and “repressed memory” bs as well.
    Few people are sodomites. But sodomites (and c**k suckers) need more to join their cult. And, of course, to s**k their dicks.
    Prisoners under stressful conditionsor animals or insects denied natural orifices also putt with the rough. Perverts, those who deviate from the natural order, are found there too.
    C**k sucking is a manifestation of other sicknesses. Just like S&M;, kiddy f**king etc.
    Have you see Fr Oliver O’Grady? That guy ain’t normal. Or Fr Brendan Smyth? They are a menas to an end: the enricchment of little boys like CColm O’Gorman through repressed therapy and the establishment of the New Godless order.

  • earnan

    “The gay priest syndrome is a way for the New World Order to colonise new cash cows. That explains the O’Gorman case and the Paul Shanley case is largley explained by it and “repressed memory” bs as well.”

    Dave, can you explain briefly what you mean? Are you saying the Media is focusing on these cases to tarnish religion in general.

  • RepublicanStones

    Ahh….. ‘estimates’. I wonder, did he make potential priests fill out an application form on which they had to declare sexual orientation and wether or not they were paedophiles? LoL.

  • Doctor Who

    Gonzo

    “THE News Letter has tracked down a man who claims he used to be gay, but – with the help of Iris Robinson’s favourite psychologist – became straight.”

    Your first paragraph signals your scepticism, about this man Mr. Parker. Why do people find it difficult to accept that people do change.

    Having just heard todays pod cast of the Nolan show and the comments from Mr Parker, what struck me was the confirmation that the sexulaity of everyone is not decided at birth, but can be a longer evolutioanry process. Upbringing, peers, cultural and social leanings can all help determine one´s sexuality.

    The notion that you are born what you are is ridiculous, there is very little scientific evidence to suggest that tou are born gay. Research a number of years ago found that there was a possible genetic condition for homosexuality, however this only occurred in 2% of men who classed themselves as gay.

    The reason there is scepticism towards this gentleman and Dr. Paul Millar, is that they contradict this loony notion that you are born gay end of story.

    Think of the voice of gay pride within British popular culture of the late 1970´s Tom Robinson, now in a heterosexual marraige with children. Are we to beleive that Tom was not walking on the wild side when he sang “Glad To Be Gay”. Of course he was, he then changed and chose a differnt path. He has been roundly ostracised by many from gay circles since. Russell T. Davies who wrote Queer as Folk and of course now produces Doctor Who, also tackled this issue in his drama Bob and Rose.

    People only have a problem with people changing from being gay because it counteracts the politically correct agenda of you re born gay, you have no choice.

  • circles

    I’m not sure about that psychologist straightened out that homosexual chap, but if forced to choose Iris Robinson could certainly turn me gay.

  • Comrade Stalin

    To me this is all very straightforward. If you were gay and then became straight, there are only two possibilities : either you weren’t gay in the first place, or you have successfully repressed your sexuality.

    Helping people who are confused about their sexuality is a completely different concept from “curing homosexuals”, and I think perhaps it’s that difference that Iris failed to grasp.

  • Turgon

    I have avoided commenting on the endless assorted gay blogs but this is all becoming rather silly. The issue of what men do with other men in private fills me with more disinterest than anything else. The politics of why Iris Robinson said all this is interesting but no one seems to want to discuss that; they would rather discuss gays.

    As to gays/paedophiles/priests. I will surprise no regulars here when I say I am not in favour of the teaching of the Roman Catholic church. However, all priests I have ever met (and I have met quite a few) have been singularly impressive and decent individuals. I may seriously disagree with their religion (and often I suspect their politics) but as people they have always seemed very decent. Some may be gay, some straight. Some may be celibate some not: I neither know nor care but suspect that most of the “evidence” about their sexual dalliances comes from sources unlikely to be pro RC and as such these sources must be viewed as potentially biased.

    In terms of paedophiles again I have no evidence but suspect that precious few priests were or are paedophiles. The problem is probably that the enormity of the betrayal of trust, faith etc. is so awful when a supposed man of God does such a thing that it is easily remembered. Also of course those few paedophile priests because of the trust placed in them were in an excellent position to behave in this dreadful fashion.

    However, as far as I am aware there is no evidence whatsoever that gay men are more likely to be paedophiles, nor priests be they gay straight. Protestants and specifically Presbyterians from the fundamentalist wing of the PCI (like me) should remember that Mr. Brown was one of ours, was not gay and was a dreadful paedophile.

    My favourite teacher was later discovered to be a practising homosexual in unfortunate circumstances. I had no idea and had he wanted to he was in a position of trust and might have been able to abuse me. The fact he did not is of course utterly unsurprising: he was not a paedophile but a man who was gay. I would very happily let him teach my boys and put them in his care.

    Now maybe just maybe we could get back to discussing NI politics and culture rather than gays.

  • vanitas vanitatum

    When is the “News” letter going to officially change its name to “DUP VOICE”

    Is there another newspaper in the UK that would print this shite, ok maybe the Daily Mail.

    God, I used to hear the Newsletter editor on Radio 5 live being asked about Northern Ireland and I would almost get physically ill.

    Expensive toilet paper.

  • observer

    Helping people who are confused about their sexuality is a completely different concept from “curing homosexuals”, and I think perhaps it’s that difference that Iris failed to grasp.
    Posted by Comrade Stalin on Jun 11, 2008 @ 07:45 PM

    Comrade when did Iris say she would cure homosexuals?

  • Doctor Who

    Comrade Stalin

    “To me this is all very straightforward. If you were gay and then became straight, there are only two possibilities : either you weren’t gay in the first place, or you have successfully repressed your sexuality.”

    So you are saying that Tom Robinson was never gay or indeed he may have now surpressed it. Why? This was a man at the forefront of gay rights at a time when gay bashing was acceptable. Never came across as someone ashamed of what he was.

    People do change, nothing is as black and white as you imply, least of all sexuality. If you where born gay, one would expect then that there was a 50% chance of homosexuality being your “given” sexuality.

  • PaddyReilly

    People do change, nothing is as black and white as you imply

    True enough. But I think the man claimed as cured by Iris is something particular: a sexual abuse victim. Perhaps as a child he was developing as a heterosexual, when all of a sudden he was molested. I have heard of cases like this where the victim became effectively schizophrenic, and heard their molester as a voice in their head.

    Certainly having once been dragged into homosexuality he had an urge to repeat it. What Iris’s doctor has done is restore a very confused person to his original inclination. That does not mean that he has the power to make men who are homosexual by their own choice into heterosexuals.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Comrade when did Iris say she would cure homosexuals?

    On the Nolan show on Friday. I heard her saying it.

    Keeper of the Sash of Rassilon :

    So you are saying that Tom Robinson was never gay or indeed he may have now surpressed it. Why? This was a man at the forefront of gay rights at a time when gay bashing was acceptable. Never came across as someone ashamed of what he was.

    I can’t explain that, but then, people do weird things sometimes. Like the guys in the US, like Ward Churchill, who tell everyone that they’re partially native American, (and go on to write lots of books about how horrible life is) and then it turns out that they’re lying. Or the people with poor social skills or bad breath who go around telling everyone they’ve got Asperger’s (or even describe themselves as “mildly autistic”). Sometimes people have such a strong need for a victim complex that they fabricate victimhood from scratch and use it as a vehicle to support their need for publicity.

  • SHanna

    Oh…dear

    The pink fascists demand evidence for Iris’ cliams and when furnished they then deny the evidence!!

    It seems that you cannot please these people who want to force their agenda no matter what!

    The Daily Mail had an article this week that shows that AIDS is a sodomite disease

  • Doctor Who

    Comrade Stalin

    “Sometimes people have such a strong need for a victim complex that they fabricate victimhood from scratch and use it as a vehicle to support their need for publicity”

    Or of course a more simpler reason could be that people do change their mind.

  • Dec

    To me this is all very straightforward. If you were gay and then became straight, there are only two possibilities : either you weren’t gay in the first place, or you have successfully repressed your sexuality.

    There’s another possibility which I touched upon earlier: it’s bisexuality.

    Think of the voice of gay pride within British popular culture of the late 1970´s Tom Robinson, now in a heterosexual marraige with children. Are we to beleive that Tom was not walking on the wild side when he sang “Glad To Be Gay”. Of course he was, he then changed and chose a differnt path.

    Doctor Who

    You clearly know as much about Tom Robinson as you do about genetics (post 17).

  • observer

    That does not mean that he has the power to make men who are homosexual by their own choice into heterosexuals.
    Posted by PaddyReilly on Jun 11, 2008 @ 10:19 PM

    Apart from Nolan himself, i dont think Iris or her friend claimed this.

  • Doctor Who

    Dec

    “You clearly know as much about Tom Robinson as you do about genetics”

    Hmmm very strange post indeed Dec.

    Tom Robinson was a homosexual, he now is by his words heterosexual. That constitutes a complete turnaround in anyone´s book.

    Furthermore I was not arguing about Genetics Professor Dec, I was saying that previous research suggested that there was perhaps a “gay gene”, however it only seemed to appear in 2% of gay men, which suggests to me that the notion that you can be born homosexual is highly unlikely.

    No one questions the born gay thing as it acepted political correctness to think that way. However their is no scienfific evidence to say that is the case, just as their is no evidence to suggest that homosexuality is a pyhsciatric condition.

    So waht´s your point Dec.

  • observer

    Comrade when did Iris say she would cure homosexuals?

    On the Nolan show on Friday. I heard her saying it.

    Just listened to the show, Iris didnt use the term CURE at all, she said helped but not cured.

    She said: “I have a very lovely psychiatrist who works with me in my offices and his Christian background is that he tries to help homosexuals — trying to turn away from what they are engaged in.

    “I’m happy to put any homosexual in touch with this gentleman and I have met people who have turned around and become heterosexuals. They are married and are having families. It does work.”

    The only person i know , not surprisingly , using the term cured in the great fat one Nolan himself. NOt like him to stir things up.

  • Doctor Who

    I apologise for the poor grammar in that last post, must preview in future.

  • I’m loathe to comment on this thread because it seems to be a spider’s web for nutcases, but here goes.

    I don’t actually deny that some people’s sexuality evolves over time. One of the very early public gay rights activists in Northern Ireland – back in the days when it involved not only bricks through windows but harrassment from the police – has been happily married for several decades with several children. These things happened. What I equally don’t deny is that many people end up being badly screwed up by religious pressure or what could at best be called heavily directive counselling which convinces them that they’ll get over it all if they settle down with a nice woman, and then end up being caught in flagrante, and screwing up not only their own lives but also their wives and childrens. Paul Berry is probably the obvious local example. But he’s far from a unique case.

    However, listening to Mr. Robinson speaking on Nolan this morning, it is clear that he has real issues doubtless related to the horrible experience of abuse he had as a child. Did any of you listen to that interview? After he had ‘his tank of masculinity filled’, he not only started wanting sex with women, but his voice dropped an octave? I mean, come on lads!

    It sounds like the poor man was living a lie for his whole adult life. Given his childhood experiences, that his hardly surprising, and I wish him and his wife a happy and fulfilled life together. But he is hardly representative of most gay men.

  • Doctor Who

    “I don’t actually deny that some people’s sexuality evolves over time.”

    Sammy Morse

    No everyone´s does, perhaps you can explain to me how anyone can be born gay or born straight for that matter. In the absence of scientific evidence is this notion not just codswallop as unreliable as christian fundamentalist crap.

  • Doctor Who

    “he not only started wanting sex with women, but his voice dropped an octave? I mean, come on lads!”

    Sammy Morse

    I know a man who after 10 years of marraige to a woman, came out as a gay. Over a period of time living as a homosexual his mannerisms did change and yes his voice went up an octave. So perhaps this works in reverse.

  • I don’t pretend to understand how human sexuality develops. Neither does anyone else. And frankly, it doesn’t matter. People should be left in peace to live their own lives without wacko bigots like Irish using them as a dog whistle on the Nolan show or religious kooks telling them they’d better settle down with a woman or God will send them to hell.

    If my voice dropped an octave, I could do voice overs for Darth Vader. You know, that sounds like a pleasant alternative to working for a living. Maybe I should become straight?

  • TAFKABO

    Iris may not have used the word ‘cure’, but by pointing out and playing up the psychiatric credentials of her friend she was clearly implying that homoexuality was a mental illness that was treatable.

  • “The gay priest syndrome is a way for the New World Order to colonise new cash cows. That explains the O’Gorman case and the Paul Shanley case is largley explained by it and “repressed memory” bs as well.”

    Dave, can you explain briefly what you mean? Are you saying the Media is focusing on these cases to tarnish religion in general

    Without his allegations that he had “sex with that priest Sean Fortune”, O’Gorman would still be making cappucinos for a living. The Irish government paid his One in Four a fortune for dubious services; the bulk of the money went to O’Gorman and his employees.
    Although the Catholic Church is a church of often notorious sinners, it trie to preach a moral tale that stands opposed to the ideas of market and price. The Catholic Church also is heavily involved in charities, where lots of money changes hands. The New World Order wish to kill all things, such as moral perspectives that do not have a market price. They also want too further colonise the charity industry. Colm O’Gorman is a well paid soldier in this movement.

    Paul Shanley is a defrocked Catholic priest that had rahter too many gay friends. He hung around with street kids and probably did bugger quite a few of them and thereby seriously break US law. However, his conviction is very unsound as it is based on psycho babble with no corraborating witnesses. In Ireland, are we to seriously believe that homosexual O’Gorman had a 2.5 year (coerced) sex scene with Fortune andno one cmmonented on it at the time and O’Gorman only moved on it years later when he was stuck in a low paid London job and yanks were getting millions of $$$ from the RC church.
    Homosexuals like O’Gorman play the victim card for money and politics.

    The pro poofter wing speak about things not being black and white, even as their own thinking is purely in those terms.

  • Dec

    Doctor Who

    My point is that Tom Robinson does not consider himself heterosexual – if you’d bothered to read the link I provided you might have grasped that rather than championing him as a shining example of a ‘turned’ gay.

  • vanitas vanitatum

    Im really pleased that the DUP have seemingly done so well out of their 42 day vote. Yay!. Just think how emboldened these backwoods cretins will be now.

    Willie McCrea talking about terrorism on the telly…..oh the irony.

    DUP members on Fermanagh district council talking about “taigs” in open session.

    Sammy Wilson as environment minister (!)

    Iris(h) Robinsons big VERY STUPID mouth and the “News”letter’s cheerleading and the intelligent fools on here actually apologising for her lead me to the conclusion that this place is absolutely FUCKED.

    What a horrible little shithole – Feeny was right in yesterdays Irish News.

    Time to emigrate, this place is going backwards.

  • Doctor Who

    “that rather than championing him as a shining example of a ‘turned’ gay.”

    Dec

    No I don´t think I was doing that, I did read the link which clearly shows that Tom has moved considerably since his “Glad To Be Gay” days. He is arguing against pidgeon holing people in distinct categories when it comes to sexuality. Again the fact that he is now married with a family escapes you, a notion Tom would have laughed at back in 1978.

  • other

    why are people so eager to assume that this chap in the News Leter just could not have been gay?

    They are jumping to absolute conclusions with so little understanding of this guy’s life.

    It smacks of a desperate denial in these people of the facts. Why can this guy not be speaking truthfully and accurately about his own life?

    Why must he be bisexual or a straight man who thought he was gay rather than a gay man who became straight?

    Is it because of the politically correct dogma that sexuality is fixed from birth?

    This doesnt stand up to scrutiny in any balanced study of the subject.

  • Paedo-finder general

    My favourite paedo finder quote ‘all gays are paedophiles its written on stone, in the bus shelter where I carved it.’

    I don’t think anyone is born gay theres no gay gene they turn because of sexual abuse or bullying. Their told there gay so much they start to believe it. thats why it should ban anything that promotes homosexuality in schools to keep kids on the straight and narrow.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Observer:

    It’s silly splitting hairs. The key bit is :

    trying to turn away from what they are engaged in.

    If you’ve got a cold, you take some medicine and then afterwards you don’t have a cold, that’s called a “cure” even if I don’t use the word. To try to help homosexuals not to be homosexuals anymore is marketing a cure. On the same show, the psychiatrist come on to actually distance himself from Iris’ claims.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Personally I find homosexuality distasteful to say the least, but it’s not for me to say that it’s wrong, only God can judge us…

  • abucs

    Sexual attraction is a pretty big part of who we are, although scientifically i, and i suspect most people, have very little understanding on the fullness of its complexity.

  • Gwerty

    If people are born gay or straight then how do we explain Sparta where everyone was socially expected to be bisexual – and they were? Did they all have the “gay gene” just by accident but their neighbours didn’t?

    Or what about the figures behind this article by Peter Tatchell,
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/14/sexingthefuture
    that show that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both decreasing and bisexuality is increasing. Is this all happening through evolution by natural selection? Another case like that of the peppered moth in action? Pull the other one.

    Honestly, all these people who complain about evangelical indoctrination but cannot see their own indoctrination on this subject that they picked up from the media. Open your eyes! Open your mind!

  • “Personally I find homosexuality distasteful to say the least, but it’s not for me to say that it’s wrong, only God can judge us… ” Posted by Concerned Loyalist on Jun 13, 2008 @ 03:03 AM

    Glad to see you found it distasteful. Hope you find orange p***sies better.

    Gwerty: Peter Tatchell is another career homosexual so anything he says is best ignored as he has an axe to grind,a point ot sink or whatever.

  • Paedo-finder general

    It seems an evolutionary deadend homosexuality as they wouldn’t pass on there DNA so you can’t be born gay unless gays prove that evoution is wrong and that God exists.

  • Paedo FG: Good point. But evolution allows all tautologies. poper said evolution is a metaphysical ego trip, not a refutable scientific endeavour. (and no need to quote Dawkins quoting someone else about paelontology)