Hotspots

Two homes were attacked in Twaddell Avenue last night. There have been more incidents in the first 18 weeks of this year in that area than in all of last year. The most recent attack has been condemned by both SF and the DUP. Most interface violence is now described as ‘youth-led’. However, it is no comfort when you have your windows put in that it was a ‘youth’ rather than a ‘paramilitary’. While the investors visit it is essential to emphasise the positive but when talking amongst ourselves the continuing problem of low-level sectarian attacks needs to be acknowledged and addressed. The figures show little sign of abatement and hotspots of incidents eg Twaddell and Stoneyford seem to be developing. UPDATE A personal hotspot and a rural hotspot.

  • Gregory

    I’m with you.

    You can take it further

    Recent fights between youths vis a vis Turf Lodge and Ballymurphy, are not sectarian etc.

    It is no comfort, a brick thru a windie is a lot of trouble. I think most arson falls into the ‘general’ category.

    Also interface can perhaps be routinely inter-changed perhaps with ‘blackspot’.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The attacks on Twaddell are the work of the dissident republicans who dominate Ardoyne trying to stoke up tensions. The youths who are carrying out the attacks are being encouraged to do so by older, shadier elements.

    What is more remarkable is that the loyalist paramilitaries have been able to restrain themselves and not respond. I don’t know how long that will last ..

  • da cammunity blames da kids

    In the absence of arrests or the release of police intelligence, how anyone can reach either of the popular opinions on the cause of these events is somewhat confusing.
    They do seem to resort to what would be advantageous to their respective narratives though.

    It seems probable, given the authoritarian nature of the society in Ardoyne, the draconian methods that that authority exhibits and the effect this has on the populace, that they, the authority, are at the least complacent in the situation. They are so because they expect to profit by the probable climax of the scenario. What this says about their sense of regard for those in their own community as well as the other I leave to you. If it is not the case that there is a sinister policy at work, one must reflect that the sense of timing and the methodology of these youngsters is remarkable in its similarity to that employed by those who, it cannot be denied, have taken an active role in making this seasons festivities strongly associated with violence and discord. And who have made that discord a cornerstone of their justification.
    It is singularly fortunate and bizarre that these young ones do, what we are to believe is the former work the authority so precisely, and without instruction.

  • rubin

    Is the Twaddell/Ardoyne interface not swamped with security cameras???

  • joeCanuck

    The youths who are carrying out the attacks are being encouraged to do so by older, shadier elements.

    If that’s true, Comrade, and I have no reason to doubt you, it’s incredibly sad. Haven’t some people yet learned the futility of such things?

  • fair_deal

    Rubin

    AFAIK Three were originally proposed for around that area. Two were installed. The third was not installed and one was removed (after being attacked a few times), as I understand it because of objections from Ardoyne.

    There are operational issues with the remaining camera it is either not switched on when an incident occurs or if no police officer is monitoring it (and the other cameras across North belfast) then the cameras could either be pointing the wrong way or will not be zoomed in to help identify offenders.

    You also had the recent comments by a senior officer in England pointing out how poor cameras are at getting convictions (3% IIRC).

  • Gregory

    “You also had the recent comments by a senior officer in England pointing out how poor cameras are at getting convictions (3% IIRC). ”

    Have you a cite at your leisure? I’m interested in CCTV. I organized that Joe Arpaio court case for example.

    G.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Another dreadful attack which must be condemned all round. I note that someone has been arrested and, hopefully, if found guilty will receive the type of sentence warranted to send a message to all else engaged in similar incidents that such crimes will come at a heavy price.

    dcbdk
    “It seems probable, given the authoritarian nature of the society in Ardoyne, the draconian methods that that authority exhibits and the effect this has on the populace, that they, the authority, are at the least complacent in the situation.”

    A case of lazy prejudiced thinking, the type of which is all too common here. Oh, and I’m taking it you meant ‘complicit’…

    Where is your evidence for the claim that Ardoyne society is any more or less authoritarian than any other area?

    I don’t know about the efficacy of CCTV cameras, if past incidents are anything to go by. If I recall correctly, a mob was able to drive a digger across the Ardoyne roundabout from Twaddell and use it to smash and set fire to a commercial premises in full glare of the cameras with no subsequent arrests.

  • Mark McGregor

    “I note that someone has been arrested and, hopefully, if found guilty will receive the type of sentence warranted to send a message to all else engaged in similar incidents that such crimes will come at a heavy price.”

    Or alternatively you could hope for a justice system that gives sentences on the basis of the crime, circumstance and individual instead of as an example and deals with, investigates and acts on all without bias.

    But then you’d be hoping for something a hell of a lot different from the PSNI/RUC, CPS and British courts.

    (and before that P&J;troll starts, I completely oppose these attacks)

  • Chris Donnelly

    Mark

    Being a little sensitive there- the two positions need not be contradictory in this case, as in others.

  • LURIG

    Comrade Stalin

    “It’s… remarkable how loyalists are able to restrain themselves”. How ironic and ridiculous is that statement? Are these the same loyalists who tried to attack Catholic homes on the Cavehill Road in North Belfast on the night Rangers lost the UEFA Cup final, who are currently terrorising innocent people in Stoneyford and who are STILL running their drug dealing and extortionist rackets across the North? Catch yourself on, the day loyalists get sanctimonious and patronising over interface attacks is the same day hell freezes over. For a 3 year period between 2000 & 2003 the UDA, and to a lesser extent UVF, operated non stop anti-Catholic pogroms right across Belfast when even the (then) Deputy Chief Constable of the RUC/PSNI Alan McQuillan accused them of the vast majority of sectarian attacks. They are ONLY in ‘non violent’ mode at the minute because they are being funded as ‘community workers’ and ‘interface networkers’ by the British & Irish governments. RESTRAINED?????? Pass me the sickbag!

  • DK

    Cameras seemed to have worked on the limestone road. I drive up and down it almost every day and I have never seen any rioting since the cameras went up, but saw a few before they did. However, there is often debris on the road at the interface, which suggests that not all is quiet….

  • fair_deal
  • fair_deal

    Gregory

    The above link was for you

  • da kids blame da cammunity

    Chris Donnelly,

    you should never guess mate.

    If they were complicit it would certainly not be the least worst scenario.

    At the least they are complacent, more likely they are complicit.
    And in the worst (possible scenario) coordinators. Clear enough mate ?

    “Where is your evidence for the claim that Ardoyne society is any more or less authoritarian than any other area”

    I have made no such claim Chris, I’m guessing you mean ‘what is my evidence for the proposed existence of authoritarianism in the Ardoyne?’

    I don’t think that deserves an answer.

    However (he says, about to provide one – I hope you enjoy my bit of fun Chris) , I’m sure there are those, if you were crass enough to enquire, who could tell of the actions, elitist dispositions and bizarre impositionary pleasures of the hierarchy, offer you a selection of instances of draconianism and the perverted forms of punishment that ensued. I hope you don’t need reminding that these types of behaviour on the part of an influential body are the symptoms of extreme authoritarianism.

    Hope that answers you question, Cheers for the response Chris :>

    As for cctv, it depends on the quality of the image produced as to whether effect intelligence for the police can be gathered, I would think.

  • dkbdc

    actually Chris,
    a mistake in wording does imply that I was referring to complicity, it was supposed to read ” it may be so” in the following sentence – expressing my belief in the possibility of a more regrettable situation than the one I hope is most probable – complacency – rather than ” they are so”, sorry for any confusion.