“Of course, it also insists its ‘international’ players carry UK passports”

Sticking with the subject of soccer, there seems to a misapprehension abroad regard the IFA passports issue. It’s hardly surprising since there has been a lot of self serviing posturing around the issue. Even newsman Máirtin O’Muilleoir seems to have the wrong end of the stick, when he states that “…of course, it (the IFA) also insists its ‘international’ players carry UK passports”. However this this is what the chief executive of the IFA, Howard Wells, said before Fifa changed its mind in March 2006:

“There is not a problem about players travelling on either passport,” he said.

“The issue has been that historically, on the administration of some matches that we have had at international level, there has been confusion in the minds of some Uefa officials about the fact… that some of our players have different passports to each other.

“It is because people don’t understand the differences, or the uniqueness of Northern Ireland, in terms of our passport issue.”

Given that was the IFA position at the outset of the controversy, I’m not sure how Máirtín’s claim stands up to scrutiny now…

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  • Ulsters my homeland

    What’s wrong with a UK passport for N.I players?

  • RepublicanStones

    whats wrong with an Irish passport for the northern statelet players?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]”whats wrong with an Irish passport for the northern statelet players? “[/i]

    What you mean, one like the Republic of Ireland? sure that would be silly and totally arse about face. If you want your Irish identity in there why not ask for an Irish/UK one, if Irish is your thing?

  • Rory

    Couldn’t we just surmount all this difficulty by recruiting players with French and Brazilian passports and then converting them to whatever’s required? Better still howzabout some Senegalese and Cameroonians? Might be worth supporting so.

  • ggn

    “Irish/UK one”

    What is that?

    “sure that would be silly and totally arse about face”.

    Most people I know have Republic of Ireland passports though some also have UK passports which they invariably claim that have to get in an emergency.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘if Irish is your thing?’

    but sure Ulster is Irish.

  • Dec

    Everything else he says is spot-on.

  • Intelligence Insider

    It still amuses me that some “Oirish” people can’t admit that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom. They know, deep in their hearts that it is, but just can’t come around to admitting it. I used to get angry at such people when I was a young man, now it actually just makes me laugh.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Oirish’….whats that?
    as regards the rest of your post, your point is?

  • ggn

    II,

    I have never ever met any nationalist who wouldnt admit Northern Ireland is part of thr UK. Indeed given the fact that people vote for parties who proport to be dedivated to taking Northern Ireland out of the UK it would seem that its status is well known, if not accepted.

    Indeed, it is the position of the UK government that Northern Ireland is not indefeasibly and not necessarily a permanent part of the UK as they have no ‘selfish interest’ in Northern Ireland and would withdraw if the majority of the population wish it.

  • Mick Fealty

    Interesting tangent to the original blog. Only Dec has (rather deftly) noted the commonplace error on Mairtin’s blog. This single minded mythologising ‘de udder side’ out of all recognition is impressively ‘wrong headed’.

  • slug

    Mick – were you not getting enough “hits” on your site this month?

  • Realist

    “it (the IFA) also insists its ‘international’ players carry UK passports”.

    Whilst Máirtin, from time to time, has contributions to discussions to make that I find myself in agreement with, this is quite simply a falsehood.

    Why does he peddle such falsehoods?

  • Dec

    Mick

    My glass is always half-full :]

    It still amuses me that some “Oirish” people can’t admit that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom.

    II

    We have lots in common. I get most of my chuckles from Unionists who think they’re nationality is ‘Brattish”.

  • Dewi

    zzzz and let’s not start about Rangers.

  • Alan

    Northern Ireland is politically under the jurisdiction of the UK, non-intelligence insider, but it is actually in Ireland.

    So, for example, Ballymena is and always will be an Irish town. However, while NI is under jurisdiction it can also be called a British town by Unionists, like Aberdeen is primarily Scottish and currently also British, unless Scotland breaks free of the Union.

    But Ballymena etc. will always be Irish whilst it’s situated on the island of Ireland, and no amount of colonial brainwashing will change the geographical reality.

  • Mick Fealty

    slug,

    Believe me, I can think of better things, but… needs must… The amount of magical thinking that goes on here is simply stunning… But you know what they say: ‘better out than in…’

  • Doctor Who

    Eds: removed. This is a potentially libellous comment.

  • The Raven

    This thread – because of the use of football as a subject – was odds-on to be banal to start with.

    However, the stone-throwing has helped it to descend to depths so far not plumbed in the annals of boredom.

    Or perhaps I haven’t visited the site enough lately to be convinced otherwise.

    “move along…move along now…nothing to see here…”

  • boruc

    why were the linfield/rangers fans singing ‘rule brittania’ while they were wrecking an english city?

  • Boruc, not a Linfield shirt in sight. What has a bunch of drunken thugs/Rangers fans got to do with the IFA beyond the connection you’ve made in your own bigoted little mind?

  • Doctor Who’s contribution to the discussion is libellous.

  • boruc

    look again beano…dont let your embarassment at the linfield/rangers fans singing rule brittania while wrecking an english city blind you to the red hands

  • Still don’t see any Linfield shirts Boruc. A few Ulster flags, but still not sure what that has to do with anything.

  • Doctor Who

    “Doctor Who’s contribution to the discussion is libellous”

    Really, can you explain why Petrocelli. The very fact that Martin has clearly and knowingly lied about NI players forced to carry a UK passport speaks volumes.

  • Realist

    “while wrecking an english city”

    I’m hearing that Manchester is fully functional today – unlike when the Germans and Provisionals visited it.

    Why exaggerate?

  • If there’s anything libellous surely it’s Marty’s blog.

  • boruc

    realist…the provos or germans didnt sing rule britannia while they were wrecking it

    beano, of course the ulster flag has nothing to do with linfield nor is it the flag of choice at windsor park. how silly of me (not)

  • Realist

    boruc,

    “realist…the provos or germans didnt sing rule britannia while they were wrecking it”

    What’s your point?

    Did some supporters of another Glasgow team not disgrace themselves by singing songs about an organisation that bombed Manchester when they visited the city?

    Have you got that Youtube video for prosperity too?

    “of course the ulster flag has nothing to do with linfield nor is it the flag of choice at windsor park”

    What’s your point?

    What, exactly, has some Rangers fans in Manchester carrying the Ulster Banner, got to do with Linfield FC or Windsor Park.

    PS. Linfield FC flay the national flag of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland at Windsor Park, not the Ulster Banner.

    The IFA fly the Ulster Banner, not the national flag of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, when they hire Windsor Park for International games.

    Why do you feel the need to make spurious linkages, in order to highlight your bigotry?

  • I’m not MOM’s lawyer but if I were I would make the point that saying he, a journalist and commentator, ed: removed

    From what I read of Howard Wells comments, there’s an ambiguity which suggests that players when travelling on NI ‘international’ duty have to carry UK passports whether it’s to satisfy NI officials or UEFA/FIFA I’m unsure but the obligation seems to be there whatever the case.

    The whole sorry episode of Darron Gibson was a case in point and the IFA’s unfortunate attitude in that incident has poisoned the already septic debate on these issues.

    But if you want to go ahead an libel Mairtín O Muilleoir, do so. I have no doubt that he will consider it easy pickings to go and take a few bob off Mick Fealty for your illconsidered generalisation.

    The same goes for poor Beano and his Comical Ali denial of Rangers fans being caught red handed in Manchester…..

  • “The same goes for poor Beano and his Comical Ali denial of Rangers fans being caught red handed in Manchester….”

    I didn’t read Beano making any denials concerning Rangers fans. One of us can’t read and I’m guessing that it isn’t me.

  • Doctor Who

    Concubhar O Liatháin

    It was UEFA who insisted on NI players carrying British passports. The IFA objected to this as any player who qualifies through birth, parentage, or other FIFA guidelines has always been able to carry either a British or Irish passport. Like me the IFA recognise that playing for NI does not dilute anyone´s Irishness it does in fact enhance it.

    Instead of you being worried about Marty you should be more concerned about the disgraceful slanderous lies you peddle on these threads relating to the IFA, the NI team and NI supporters. Shame on you.

    As far as Marty Miller is concerned he has been both a Politician and a Journalist in his day, need I say more.

  • Clucky R. La. (The Foul Republican)

    And, to the earlier tangentist (!), Just as Ballymena will indeed always be an Irish town, Ireland will always be a part of the British Isles, just as the Irish will always be Britons, no amount of National Socialist brainwashing will ever change that.

    (and yes I am 12 just like you and I am blowing raspberries) *parrrrrrrrp*

    It should be pointed out that the, at most, few hundred Rangers ‘fans’ that were involved in trouble are not representative of the majority. The insinuation that they are is text book bigotry.

    The images of the Union Fag and the Belfast standard / pretend Ulster flag being brandished in such a fashion and by such a mob is a source of shame for the Folk, the Standard and the Patriot Dead of the Protestant People of Ireland. Then again anyone who didn’t see it coming is a rhubarb. We must take responsibility for repressing the thug element in our society and correcting the manners of those thugs. This is vital for our welfare, the success of our children and our every political project.

  • What are the ‘disgraceful slanderous lies relating to the IFA, the NI team and NI supporters’ to which you refer?

    I’m perfectly capable of going to my own lawyer Dr. Who – so put up or shut up.

  • Doctor Who

    Concubhar O Liatháin (comments made by him on IFA make hash of reorganised league – thread)

    “However it’s also worth pointing out that this obviously sectarian and politically motivated decision by the IFA completely lays waste to their notion that it was somehow alright to stop youngsters born in the north eastern counties of Ireland from playing for their country – ie the Republic of Ireland – and not have to endure the risk of playing in Windsor Park in front of a crowd which thinks it’s great crack to issue death threats if you happen to be of the other persuasion…”

    “It’s fairly clear to me, and to any reasonable observer, however, that the IFA are pursuing a sectarian and political agenda and if you or the IFA don’t get how this might be so, it shows you up.”

    “The IFA have forfeited their authority on the issue through their sectarian and politically motivated antics.”

    “I think that the only organisation which should go down is the IFA It seems this crowd of amateur sectarians”

    “It’s shortsighted in the extreme from the IFA and if it isn’t sectarian it’s utterly stupid. My money’s on sectarianism AND stupidity”

    Ok Petrocelli, can you now back up these allegations of inherent sectarianism within the IFA and GAWA or if you can´t, can you as you so eloquently put it SHUT UP.

  • clucky

    Why dont you ask your lawyer what defamation means conkers ? :>

  • Realist

    “and not have to endure the risk of playing in Windsor Park in front of a crowd which thinks it’s great crack to issue death threats if you happen to be of the other persuasion…”

    Concubhar O Liatháin caught telling unsubstantiated falsehoods, diced with deep rooted prejudice.

    “the IFA are pursuing a sectarian and political agenda and if you or the IFA don’t get how this might be so, it shows you up.”

    The ramblings of a bigot.

    Good luck with your lawyer comrade 🙂

  • Realist

    “there’s an ambiguity which suggests that players when travelling on NI ‘international’ duty have to carry UK passports whether it’s to satisfy NI officials or UEFA/FIFA I’m unsure but the obligation seems to be there whatever the case”

    Concubhar O Liatháin (peddler of unsubstantiated falsehoods)),

    Let me clear up the “ambiguity” for you, once and for all.

    Players representing Northern Ireland can (and do)travel on either a British or Irish Passport.

    Players representing Northern Ireland can (and do) utilise either a British or Irish Passport in order to satisfy FIFA requirements regarding confirmation of eligibility.

    Máirtin O’Muilleoir, like you, peddles falsehoods.

  • It seems that Doctor Who doesn’t get the difference between stating as a matter of fact that someone is a liar can be libellous while someone who expresses an opinion is perfectly entitled to do so. I didn’t say anyone was lying or making a career out of lying.

    It’s obvious to me based on my understanding of the IFA and it’s sorry sectarian history that this exclusion is sectarian and political – I could be wrong but that’s what it looks like to me. In a court of law that’s arguably a statement of opinion.

    If you want to go on with your antics, please do. C U in Court!

  • realist:

    “and not have to endure the risk of playing in Windsor Park in front of a crowd which thinks it’s great crack to issue death threats if you happen to be of the other persuasion…”

    Concubhar O Liatháin caught telling unsubstantiated falsehoods, diced with deep rooted prejudice.

    Neil Lennon

  • Doctor Who

    Concubhar O Liatháin

    “If you want to go on with your antics, please do. C U in Court!”

    Ha,Ha!!!! lol. You really ought to stop watching those awful cliched American courtroom dramas.

  • Doctor Who

    Concubhar O Liatháin

    An annonymous call to the BBC from an anonymous source without a recognised password stated that if Lennon played he would get hurt. It could have been a disgruntled Celtic fan for all you know.

    Neill lennon was given the support of the vast majority of the GAWA. Nevertheless the fact that Lennon was singled out by a certain section of NI fans for being a Celtic player was indeed shameful. Similar incidents occurred at Landsdowne Road when Rangers players appeared there for away teams, equally as shameful.

    I hope that clears that up for you. Now you can go back to your bumper DVD of Boston Legal.

  • Similar incidents occurred at Landsdowne Road when Rangers players appeared there for away teams, equally as shameful.

    Nobody ever got a death threat painted on a wall in their hometown…..

  • Realist

    Concubhar O Liatháin (peddler of unsubstantiated falsehoods),

    Do you have any shred of evidence that anyone who has ever set foot in Windsor Park was responsible in any way for the death threats that Neil received?

    Your “opinion” won’t stack up in court now – a legal beagal like you should know that.

    If you have such evidence, please inform the PSNI – I would love to see those responsible brought to justice.

    Thankfully Neil has risen above your level of base sectarianism – he has been fulsome and sincere in his praise of Northern Ireland fans – who supported him through a difficult period – and has gone on public record to acknowledge the magnificant atmosphere generated by Northern Ireland fans in recent times…describing Northern Ireland fans as “the envy of Europe”.

    Neil rose above bigots – like yourself – stuck in a timewarp and needing of comfort blanket to hide your prejudices. Guilty of exactly what you vociferously accuse other of.

    The more you peddle, the more your falsehoods find you out.