“the motion hasn’t gone away you know!..”

Apparently, now that we are in May and with the deputy First Minister pointing at “Ian junior”, Sinn Féin member, and blogger, Chris Gaskin wants to know what ‘Plan B’ is too. I wouldn’t necessarily hold my breath if I was him. ANYhoo.. As Chris says here

“Now I bring this up because the 8th of May has come to pass and I have yet to see a public statement on this matter from Sinn Féin. I’m sure that Republican’s and others are waiting for a response from the Ard Chomhairle, an Ard Chomharle that has been mandated to do so by the supreme governing body of Sinn Féin. Let’s hope we get an answer soon; the motion hasn’t gone away you know!”

That Ard Fheis motion again

“This Ard Fheis mandates the Ard Chomhairle to set out, in public, the party’s position in relation to our involvement in the current policing structures should the British Government fail to devolve policing and justice powers by the 8th May 2008.”

As I said at the time

We’ll have to wait to see what the SF leadership has to say at that point..

But, of course, it’s not within the gift of the “British Government”..

Not that the Sinn Fein leadership don’t realise that..

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  • joeCanuck

    Soooo embarrassing.

    Marty: “Gerry, do ya think if we ignore it the problem will go away. Or can we disappear it?”

  • Mark McGregor

    So sweet. Still thinking a SF Ard Fheis motion means anything. Poor wee lamb.

  • Dave

    I think “poor wee lamb” isn’t far off the mark. The ‘good’ shepherd has delivered his flock to the abattoir and, even as the blade hovers above their heads, they still think they are on a journey to four green pastures instead of the meat counter at Tesco. Will they ever catch-on that the agenda is to integrate them into the United Kingdom and that is the only useful function that the shepherds ever served to the squire?

  • cynic

    “the agenda is to integrate them into the United Kingdom ”


    Nothing could be further from the truth. The DUPs desire is to integrate them but via a NI Assembly that gives everyone power and jobs. Anyway we collectively signed up to that model.

    The Brits want integation like a hole in the head. Their aim to to return NI to the state of a sleepy backwater run by its own people who can go whichever way they want, when they want so long as they dont start killing each other or cause any fuss.

    Remember ‘no selfish interest’? Read it as ‘no interest at all’.

  • Perhaps Gerry and Martin have had that Congo experience, Chris 😉

  • Steve

    Their aim to to return NI to the state of a sleepy backwater run by its own people who can go whichever way they want, when they want so long as they dont start killing each other or cause any fuss.

    I think You have it wrong, it should read something like…..
    Sleepy backwater where they only kill each other and leave us out

    They didnt seem to arsed about it as long as it wasn’t being reported in the international media and only really took an interest when the bombs started going off in England

  • cynic


    You are too cynical even for me.

    If we follow that view, why spend so much cash and time and effort trying to stop the violence? Dont forget that Tony ‘Hey, you can trust me’ didnt have the copyright on the process. it was running in the background for many years as the Brits held the security line but pushed behind the scenes for a political settlement.

    I am not saying it was all altruistic but, like everyone else, they are human and wanted the killing to stop. Remember that even Thatcher at one of the worst of of times agreed a (secret) package to try to prevent many of the deaths in the Hunger Strike!

  • Steve


    that whole hunger strike thing has never been proven and the prisoners themselves say its all bollocks that there was no offer and no deal

  • Dave

    Cynic, I don’t disagree with the gist of what you are saying. But ‘integration’ just means accepting the status quo by no longer opposing it; and once it is accepted by the majority, they move forward on that basis, consolidating that status quo. There certainly is no agenda for ‘integration’ on the terms that others apply to it.

    It is true that Sinn Fein is integrating its supporters (that formerly disenfranchised group) into the political system, moving from an anti-state to a pro-state position. Hence, they catapulted the party into the Executive against the condition that was set out by the party’s Ard Fheis. That is the agenda that is supported by both governments (and, I’m sure, the vast majority of people). It is what makes Sinn Fein a useful tool of the State; and Sinn Fein is well aware of that, bartering their usefulness in return for privileges from, and protection by, the State. For example, the British government rewarded them by leapfrogging them over the moderate parties and protects them from inquiries into their offences against the State both past and, in the case of their organised crime wing, present. Those supporters are just useful bargaining chips to Sinn Fein.

    Sinn Fein couldn’t give a toss about anything other than power, importance and privilege for the elite group of sociopaths who control that cult. It wasn’t a case that they weren’t told by all and sundry that their murder campaign would have a profoundly detrimental effect on the cause of Irish unity but they simply didn’t give a toss about Irish unity. Not now, not then. And so it came to pass: the people of the Republic lost all interest in unity and the institutions of the Irish state moved to counter all support for a group that tried to subvert the state, deeming it expedient to kill off republicanism in general as part of that process. So, thanks to Sinn Fein, you’re left with a consolidated Northern Ireland, now an undisputed part of the United Kingdom, with the other sovereign territory renouncing its formal claim to it.

    Anyway, Sinn Fein aren’t even nationalists never mind republicans. They were happy to seek power when the agenda was to unite Ireland under Irish self-determination and just as happy to seek power if the agenda is an integrated United Kingdom or is to unite Ireland under by removal of Irish self-determination and its replacement of a ‘non nation state’ where British nationalism is used to cancel out Irish nationalism. They are, however, absolute masters of propaganda. As they sold support for policing (ideologically, an acceptance e of the institutions of the State’s ‘forces of occupation’) to their members as being no more consequential than “putting manners on them” and taking their seats on the policing boards as “we’ve driven the rats into a hole, and now we’re going in after them.” So too can they sell the removal of the border as being the end in itself (where the actual end is the end of Irish self-determination) and not a means to an end if they are ever called upon by their British paymasters to do so.

    Personally, I wouldn’t trust a Shinner as far as I could throw an anorexic midget.

  • It depends what one’s interpretation of ‘mandate’ is- it could mean command, but it could also simply mean authorise, in which case the AC would presumably have a choice whether to do it or not. Secondly, there is no date specified for this ‘setting out’ of SF’s position by the AC- while the deadline has passed for the triggering of the process, no deadline has been set for its conclusion. Apart from all that, they would clearly just fudge it anyway even if they did explain their position.

  • susan

    Personally, I wouldn’t trust a Shinner as far as I could throw an anorexic midget.

    Posted by Dave on May 10, 2008 @ 06:31 PM

    I would have thought a person in reasonable health could throw an anorexic midget rather far, unless the winds were against you.

  • philip

    I’m new here and was wandering why the site has O’Toole on the end. (it seems like an Ulster fighters club on entry, then it moves to Irish gossip)…rather confusing, is it Irish is it not?

  • Dave

    Well actually, Susan, there is a competitive sport of Dwarf Tossing – probably the most non-PC sport ever! It’s quite popular as an underground in the U.S, since it was banned in 1989. The rules are simple: you grab hold of the little fella by his collar and by the seat of his pants; you take three quick strides, and then you throw the wee chap as far as you possibly can. The person who throws the dwarf the furthest is declared to be the winner.

    The current world champion dwarf-tosser, Cuddles, holds the record for throwing a dwarf an impressive 12ft 9in. That beat the previous longest throw of 11ft 5in by Jimmy Leonard at the British Dwarf Tossing championships of 2002.

    Is it cruel? Hardly, since the dwarfs earn a lucrative income from it, with “Lenny the Giant” earning upwards of $100k a year. Ah well… the PC brigade, as usual, protested that it compromised the dignity of “little people” and many bans followed, including this one:

    Dwarf Tossing Ban Act, 2003:

    Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario, enacts as follows: Dwarf tossing banned

    (1) No person shall organize a dwarf tossing event or engage in dwarf tossing.

    (2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both.

    So, as to how far a person of average build could throw an anorexic dwarf: given that the dwarf that was thrown 12ft 9in was the equivalent of an anorexic dwarf in build and given that the man who threw him was the build of a wrestler, I’d say that the average person (also lacking the techniques of the professionals) should manage to fling the little fella somewhere between 4 to 7 ft. If you have any small children to hand, why not test the theory?

  • Rory

    Good God! and I had always assumed that “dwarf tossing” was an act of onanism performed by a person of limited stature.

  • Like the acts of onanism certain Dublin tossers perform over the free state constitution and the institutions of that self same banana republic founded on violence and murder (metaphorically speaking of course wink, wink) too Freudian altogether.

  • Steve

    Dave you sound a little envious and we all know Freud had views about envy

  • Dave

    Well, Steve, if you’re really that curious about the size of another man’s equipment, you’re welcome to send your sister over with a measuring tape to find out.

  • Rory

    Measuring tape? A micrometer and a pair of tweezers more likely.

  • Dave

    Rory, innocent victim of a third copy of chromosome 21, the key to a good putdown is originality. If all you can retort with is a tired old cliché that has had more outings than your wife has had peg-legged sailors, then the only person who actually insult in the exchange is yourself, dolt.

    Wit, my fraudulent friend, isn’t something that you can borrow from a copy of Woman’s Weekly circa 1965. 😉

  • Rory

    Seems to have stuck a barb in you nevertheless, Dave. Best not to rub it.

  • Steve


    I always took you to have a greater interest in my brother

  • Ian

    What’s the significance of the 8th of May??

    St Andrews referred to devolution of P&J;by May 2008, which could mean the end of May 2008.

    The fact that devolution in general was restored on the 8th of May 2007 is irrelevant; in fact, it should have occurred by March 26th 2007.

    So if the six week delay is transferred across then the actual St Andrews deadline is six weeks after the end of May, which by a happy coincidence is the height of the silly season, 12th of July.

  • Ian

    Did Mr Gaskin take ‘May 08’ to mean the 8th of May, assuming the stupid Americanised version of writing the date where the month precedes the day?