Lisbon Treaty could be tighter than thought…

Not talking about the Lisbon treaty is clearly not working. According to a Red C poll in yesterday’s Sunday Business Post, “support fallen from 43 per cent in February to 35 per cent”. As the only ‘mainstream’ party actually against the treaty, Sinn Fein have an opportunity to develop some strong political capital here. Although that’s likely to be a slow feed. The paper reports that: “Farmers have turned against the treaty, while Fianna Fáil voters, men and younger voters are more likely to support the proposal”. Fianna Fail still manage a three per cent rise in this poll from last months.

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  • Jer

    I am at home this weekend in North Cork and there is palpable opposition growing to the Lisbon treaty. Its very much built on justified fear that the EU will push through WTO proposals that will destroy Irish farming and indeed in their current form thats what would happen. Its hard to get people to vote to further empower the EU when that institution is assuming a negotiation position that threatens up to 150,000 jobs on the island. People are of course only human and they can see the divergence in what the EU is proposing in the WTO round and what Ireland needs. Unfortunately there are some in Ireland who believe that the Agri sector is not a key segment of our economy and stupidly criticise farmers for threatening Ireland’s standing in Europe and argue that the WTO talks are unrelated to the treaty. This treaty is now in trouble and such are the stakes that many people will vote no despite all the scaremongering on loss of influence and other such strawmen.

  • consul

    I’m not anti-Europe per se, in the age of globalisation the world is becoming an ever smaller place and I think the idea of European nations working together for the betterment of all was, is a potentially wonderful concept. But as the project continues to mature, there is a growing feeling, nagging doubt that rather than a Europe by the people for the people, what is emerging is a Europe by the elite for the elite. This treaty which we know was rejected previously in Holland and France is for the elite not the people. We have seen that the Dutch and the French have now been side-stepped by their governments so you would have right to wonder whether a no vote is merely delaying rather than stopping the project in its tracks. I would think its more of a case of the former rather than the latter. Fianna Fáil are carrying on with the old familiar routine; Ahern was on the news to solemnly declare that we’re headed for disaster should there be a no vote. Shaking in the boots so I am and all that. It is reminiscent of all their election campaigns where they never seem to be able to say anything positive about what they can do its all just ‘if ya vote for FG we’ll be a 3rd world country in no time’. I suppose it worked last year when they were in trouble, the electorate had no time for them and seriously considered a change but when push came to shove the people buckled in the face of the scare-mongering and rejected FG-Lab and stuck with the devil they knew even though they knew they were hooks of the highest order. FF sold it as ringing endorsement but it was anything but. So they’re back playing the same game again with this Lisbon yoke and it will probably play out the same way again. As I said before I could probably live with the Euro project if it was seemingly unstoppable but at least democratic in that the parliament in Brussels was the ONLY legislating body and its members coming from the people but it seems to be some way off that. Still if the contempt being shown by respective governments to their peoples is anything to go by then it seems they won’t be deflected indefinately from their goals. But I’ll be voting no anyhow just to spite them for all the good it will do me.

  • Wilde Rover

    Looking like it could be Groundhog Day again.

    Presuming the possibility of a No vote, does anyone know what would happen in the event of a subsequent No vote?

    And if there were two No votes followed by a Yes vote, wouldn’t the No vote be entitled to another crack at the title, under Queensbury Rules?

    It’s all a bit like the Eurovision, except you’re the only one singing.

  • Brian Boru

    Well Wilde Rover, no other country is having a referendum so the question of “subsequent no vote” does not arise in this case. Furthermore no EU treaty can come into force without unanimous agreement so if Ireland says no and keeps saying no its dead.