Brown: NI flag will not fly in Downing St…

YESTERDAY was, not that many people noticed, St George’s day in England. In the wake of the recent Jack Straw flag flying consultation, the Union flag flew alongside the flag of St George over No. 10. Later, the PM’s official spokesman confirmed that on their own national saints’ days, both the Welsh dragon and Scottish saltire would fly in Downing Street – but, he continued, Northern Ireland ‘did not have a national flag, therefore the issue did not apply’. So when the PM’s mouthpiece (wonder if it was NI-born Tom Kelly?) went on to add that “celebrating our Britishness did not mean that we could not celebrate our Englishness, Scottishness, Welshness and Northern Irishness” he really should have been more honest and left out Northern Ireland. Again.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>You used the term “Sinn Féin” in reference to Provisional SF. You objected to my use of the adjective Provisional and the shortened version of that adjective. There was no lying involved.<

  • willowfield

    You clearly show the lie involved

    And where did I do this?

    , your silly petty games using words as weapons cannot be forced on me or any other.

    Sorry?

    I stated SF, you stated Provos in reference to my statement. I did not mention the Provos, Klar!

    I never said you mentioned the Provos! What on earth are you talking about?

    A clear lie.

    ?????

    Was your recent illness a mental one?

  • janeymac

    Willow

    “Really don’t know – why do you ask?”

    Just that Post 13 above (Rubin) has an account from Neil Lennon (who, along with you was at the match).

    “I’ve never heard either if these reasons. My understanding is that he was taken off so that he would no longer be subject to booing.”

    Must have been a lot of booing to actually have to take him off!

    “I find it hard to believe that someone telephoned Martin O’Neill to ask if it was OK to substitute Neil Lennon!!”

    LOL. I don’t think anyone phoned Martin O’Neill to ask what to do! McIlroy inferred that Martin (as his club manager) only wanted him to play half a game. This would have been agreed prior to anyone knowing whether there was going to be booing or not!

    Do you think Lennon “is a big girl’s blouse’ then?

    No. Do you? Why do you ask?

    Good – just read what Neil Lennon had to say – some journalist inferred that he was a ‘big girl’s blouse’ for his reaction to the whole affair.

    “Are /were effigys [sic] of Lennon toasted on 12th July?

    I don’t know, to be honest. Don’t think I’ve heard that one before. Why do you ask?”

    Again, Lennon mentions them in the piece above. Just wanted to figure out whether you think he is lying, exaggerating etc. etc.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Willow

    I believe that Turgon once made a serious faux pax in discussion with Lib2016, whom we have not heard of for a while. Turned out Turgon’s comments were in seriously bad taste.

    >>Was your recent illness a mental one?<

  • kensei

    willow

    He was told, though, by people who were, that a majority did not boo. Yet he repeated the statement. The first time he said it, it is possible that he was mistaken: the second time was a lie. Plus we know that Billy has a vendetta against NI and its fans from his numerous posts on the subject so he has a motive for lying.

    Perhaps he simply did not believe you were independent enough to take what you said as fact. Perhaps he sincerely believes you are misaken. You have yet to show a lie, much less justify a personal campaign.

  • willowfield

    JANEYMAC

    Just that Post 13 above (Rubin) has an account from Neil Lennon (who, along with you was at the match).

    And what’s that got to do with Billy’s lies?

    Must have been a lot of booing to actually have to take him off!

    There was a lot of booing. But it was by a minority of fans – contrary to Billy’s lies, the vast majority did not boo him.

    LOL. I don’t think anyone phoned Martin O’Neill to ask what to do! McIlroy inferred that Martin (as his club manager) only wanted him to play half a game. This would have been agreed prior to anyone knowing whether there was going to be booing or not!

    I see: hadn’t heard that before. What is the relevance to Billy’s lies?

    Just wanted to figure out whether you think he is lying, exaggerating etc. etc.

    I’ve no reason to think that Lennon would lie or exaggerate. I have a lot of respect for him.

    PRIONSA

    No, but if it was, is this a subject for ridicule?

    No – but it might explain your bizarre, illogical and offensive posts above.

    KENSEI

    Perhaps he simply did not believe you were independent enough to take what you said as fact.

    Or perhaps – more plausibly – he was lying!

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>it might explain your bizarre, illogical and offensive posts above.<

  • kensei

    willow

    Or perhaps – more plausibly – he was lying!

    Why is that more plausible? Not everyone as as high an opinion of you as yourself.

    Anyway, indulged you far too much. Just stop fucking up threads, m’kay.

  • willowfield

    PRIONSA

    Sorry Willow it is you who are using offensive terminology perpetuating the stigma attached to mental health issues…………shame on you!

    Even if so, it does not follow that because I used offensive terminology, you therefore did not make offensive posts prior to that.

    On the substantive point, I don’t think “mental illness” is offensive terminology.

    On a personal level I don’t attach any stigma to mental illness.

    Anyhow, my last thoughts…………it really is a bit rich having an unrepentant liar calling anyone else a liar.

    Unless you can show anywhere that I have lied (never mind lied and been unrepretant), I ask you forthwith to retract this grossly offensive, unfounded and hurtful accusation.

    You have lied on this thread: I have lied nowhere.

    KENSEI

    Why is that more plausible?

    Because the actual events were pointed out to him by many people, he repreated the claim, he has no evidence to back it up, and the claims form part of a general vendetta of slurs and accustions against NI fans.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Mods

    For Christ’s sake, would the referee please step in and put a stop to this? Willow’s hounding of Billy is psychotic.

    Never mind playing the man, this is terrorising the man. What the hell is going on with the moderators? This has been going on for page after page.

    Damnit Willow, give the guy a break, will you?

  • good grief

    Cretins. All of you.

  • RepublicanStones

    Cretins….are they the most famous cruthin family?

  • jason

    “the claims form part of a general vendetta of slurs and accustions against NI fans”

    The vandetta was carried out by ni fans against Neil Lennon.

    ‘Protestant manager Billy Bingham, it was said, chose Catholic Martin O’Neill as much for the ‘balance’ it gave to the team as for his motivational powers’

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4145906,00.html

    Martin O’Neill was well aware of the sectarianism that surrounded the team.

  • sammaguire

    Because[sic] the actual events were pointed out to him by many people, he repreated[sic] the claim, he has no evidence to back it up, and the claims form part of a general vendetta of slurs and accustions[sic] against NI fans.

    Posted by willowfield on May 01, 2008 @ 03:03 PM

    Very disappointed in you Willow…some of us can’t enjoy intellectual discourse without perfect spelling/grammar. I’m sure you appreciate this.

  • sammaguire

    Ha!Ha!! Made a balls of that! “I’m sure you appreciate this.”[sic](of course) should be “I’m sure you’ll appreciate this.” We better start using the preview Willow!

  • willowfield

    BILLY PILGRIM

    Damnit Willow, give the guy a break, will you?

    Yeah, Billy – attack the victim. Give Billy Liar – who made unfounded accusations against me – a break.

  • Lenny

    sammaguire

    Lol, I hadn’t noticed the spelling mistakes made by Willow. Perhaps he can come on again and sic himself.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Willow

    “Yeah, Billy – attack the victim.”

    The victim?

    Oh for Christ’s sake, go outside and get some air, will you?

  • willowfield

    Yes: the person on the receiving end of Billy’s unfounded accusations.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    LAST WORD

    (Just seeing if you’re capable of letting anyone else have it. Because I reckon your head would explode first.)

  • RepublicanStones

    what was that noise?