The Chuckle Brothers become the Brothers Grim

For those of you wondering, the last Irish thread is a reference to a piece entitled “Sinn Féin ag cailleadh féinmhuiníne?” or “Is Sinn Fein losing self confidence?” Anthony McIntyre reckons the party is none too happy with the change at the top of the DUP tree. He reckons that the new combo is more likely to become the Brothers Grim than the new Chuckle Brothers. It’s a notion that’s clearly catching on. Although I am not convinced that this game is a pain-free zone for the DUP. The education debate has a way to go before completion, just yet.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    “Although I am not convinced that this game is a pain-free zone for the DUP. ”

    That’s a bit of an understatement – Jimbo Allister & Co and the UU will be on the look-out for even the faintest hint of any warmth in the relationship. Marty will no doubt be using all his wiles to lure Robbo into public displays of affection knowing it will damage the DUP at the polls whilst at the same time coming across as the good guy just trying to improve community relations.

  • It’s all in the game

    Was at the public meeting last night with the SF top table. If they are loosing confidence they’re doing a hell of a job in hiding it. They seemed well in control and very confident about what they are doing, right down to the “leaked” briefing paper to the Belfast Telegraph.

  • Garibaldy

    Different optics, same cooperation to secure domination of the executive.

  • Grin comes before Grim in the Stormont Lexicon …

    “I come to beret Peter, not to praise him;
    The evil that men do lives after them,
    The good is oft interred with their bones,
    So let it be with Peter …”

  • It’s all in a game

    They seemed well in control and very confident about what they are doing, right down to the “leaked” briefing paper to the Belfast Telegraph.

    SF didn’t leak that briefing paper, UUP did. They will always seem to be well in control, because that’s part of their nature as control freaks.

    The reality is that they should be feeling the pinch. When their collapse comes it will happen all the more radically and suddenly because they always seem in control. But it will happen sooner rather than later because of the dearth of talent in their party.

  • Steve

    Nevin

    how about “I come to beret Peter, not to raze him”

    John o

    Come one surely the antichrist could gather around him a few talented demons, after all hell has to be chock a block with lawyers

  • Game Boy

    It’s all in the game:
    I take it that’s the Lurgan meeting you referred to. Two friends who were at it were saying at work today that it was very low-key with a turn-out which was far less than expected.

  • It’s all in the game

    SF didn’t leak that briefing paper, UUP did. They will always seem to be well in control, because that’s part of their nature as control freaks.
    The reality is that they should be feeling the pinch. When their collapse comes it will happen all the more radically and suddenly because they always seem in control. But it will happen sooner rather than later because of the dearth of talent in their party.

    Hmm…. I don’t know about that John. It doesn’t particularly strike me as being in the nature of control freaks to allow themselves to be held to account at a public meeting such as this. I don’t think any other party has done this never mind the DUP who seem afraid to hold a party conference.

    Also, I don’t see how the UUP could leak something that doesn’t belong to them – surely it was leaked and found it’s way to them. The leak is hardly damaging to SF and if anything the publicity generated has been advantageous to them in terms of getting their message across. The UUP were definitely suckered on that one.

    Game Boy
    There wasn’t as many there as the policing debate, but a respectable enough turnout. The place was full except for the two front rows, though I’d say if it was known beforehand just how many big guns would be in attendance, the place would have been packed.

  • It’s all in the game

    It doesn’t particularly strike me as being in the nature of control freaks to allow themselves to be held to account at a public meeting such as this.

    SF hold meetings to calm the ever aggressive beast that is their organisation and their creation. They have to be control freaks in order to control the anger present and guide the meeting away from areas where they might seem weak. Remember they created the beast and it is a dumb beast that is eternally searching without success for the answer as to why it was ditched. I predict that one day it will by accident chance upon the answer and Gerry Adams will be in danger then. And they have no-one to replace him because of the dearth of talent in their party.

    don’t see how the UUP could leak something that doesn’t belong to them

    I would clarify that it was the UUP who leaked the document to the Belfast Telegraph, according to the BT.

  • Steve

    Come one surely the antichrist could gather around him a few talented demons, after all hell has to be chock a block with lawyers

    All the lawyers that got too close to Adams, the Antichrist, have regretted it including Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson. My lawyer friends tell me that no self-respecting lawyer would be seen to get close to them even these days.

    But I take your point. Shallow republicans can be intelligent too, but unfortunately for Sinn Fein, they tend to get fairly average to poor performers – i.e. the ones who are prepared to put themselves forward for this godless, soulless, hollow project.

    I attach a snippet from one of my articles on my website (Ireland Fears Sinn Fein’s soulless genes):

    Sinn Fein leaders appear to many to be essentially evil. In fact they don’t realise it but they are essentially evil. They are little Satans. If Satan were human he would have ensured that his genes were perfect. His forefathers would never have done anything out of love and so the chances of him having evolved from someone with inferior genes is remote. His forefathers would always seek the most sexually attractive genes. His genes would consequently be perfect in a mechanical sense but they would have no soul attached. He would have no soul because he had not suffered any human illness, disease, or genetic defect, being perfect. Satan would be utterly perfect genetically but infinitely shallow in Christian terms. That’s why he is Satan and that is why he would be termed evil, and not good.

    Click on my name below for my website.

  • It’s all in the game

    Sorry John but most of that is way over my head.

    I would clarify that it was the UUP who leaked the document to the Belfast Telegraph, according to the BT.

    Presumably someone leaked to the UUP before McCrea gave it to the Tele?

  • The Raven

    “though I’d say if it was known beforehand just how many big guns would be in attendance, the place would have been packed.”

    There’s a punchline in there…I’m sure of it….

  • The Battle a Day must start sometime. Perhaps Robinson’s arrival at the throne will see the beginning of real headway being made by the Assembly. As was written in a previous post here about the DUP’s need for a new narrative, the effects of the Assembly must be felt in order to engage Unionist voters, and that means actually getting things done (like passing legislation), no matter what awful constraints exist (such as mandatory power-sharing , etc.).

  • Steve

    John

    I might come for a holiday next January would you be willing to share your stash as whatever you are smoking seems to be some pretty potent herb

    Abdul

    The DUP have proposed zero bills except for the budget because they know they will either have to horse trade the SF, which means likey an ILA, or they will have it spiked back over the net, showing their inherant lack of strength. It suits there purpose now to look strong by doing nothing.

    I say wait till the baby gets thrown out with the bath water over the Maze and the unionists all have to huddle in their dilpitated stadiums while they crumble around their ears

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    John,

    talking of antichrists – his supporters will be singing and dancing in aisles of the vatican tonight after the game I just watched on Satanta TV – I can tell ye.

  • Walter Smith

    Sammy
    A pyrrhic victory for the heathens.
    True Christians will be celebrating a Rangers domestic treble, along with the UEFA Cup, in the next month.
    Is Ally McCoist the second coming? Will Steve Davis be among those taken up during the rapture?

    Satanta TV? A freudian slip there my friend.

    John must be getting to you…..

  • Steve

    I say wait till the baby gets thrown out with the bath water over the Maze and the unionists all have to huddle in their dilpitated stadiums while they crumble around their ears

    = Sinn Fein will be in their stadiums too and nothing will get done.

    But isn’t it interesting that that a republican threatens to get his way. I thought that that was all over and done with. I suppose it won’t be until the two beasts, Paisley and Adams, go from the stage. Once they stop influencing bully Robinson and dumbo McGuinness the Trouble will be over.

    McNally

    The Vaticans loves three clubs – Man U, Everton as well as Celtic – because all were once Catholic Boys Clubs. But it was good to see Celtic win. Even God is a little sectarian according to my analysis. See Website –
    click on my name below.

  • Steve

    Serious;y John what is it that you are on. If I could get the distribution rights to it in Canada I could be the King of Sweden in 5 years

  • majordolittle

    Lithium. I think.
    same as “Dr” Paisley.

    MI5 are trialling it at Spelga Dam.
    Steve. according to the spam emails I get, Canada appears to be the place to place your order for just about every prescription drug going. Viagra and Propecia (for hair loss) top of the leader board. connection? No quality hash in Ontario then?

  • Steve

    No Major the hash usually comes from BC as it is world renowned for its quality and copious quantity

  • majordolittle

    Ah, that’s ok then. I have cousins in Flin Flon , Manitoba. Any hope of a red cross parcel from there. BTW, never been there, it doesn’t seem to be a major tourist venue. Are you a fellow subject of her majesty from that part of the world?

  • Harry Flashman

    I thought Man U was the prods’ team, the fenians followed City, am I wrong?

  • Steve

    Flin Flon? gees your cousin doesn’t but half head to the middle of no where do they? LOL Flin Flon is atleast a 6 hour drive north from the middle of no where but it strikes me that they were growing medicinal herb in the mines deep under ground there

    so it should be a decent care package

    lol I am from Brandon Manitoba about 400 miles due south of your cousin

  • Steve

    oh by the way if you want world class pike fishing on lakes seldom seen by anglers you could do worse than visiting Flin Flon. But wait till atleast June to make sure the ice is off the lakes or conversly go ice fishing in February but fair warning the worst winter day in nIreland would be considered a beautiful winter day in Flin Flon. Seriously -45 isnt unusual -20 is a not bad day and 0 is a beautiful day and you just might see kids in shorts walking the streets. I have done it myself so please believe I am not exagerating

  • Dec

    I thought Man U was the prods’ team, the fenians followed City, am I wrong?

    Yes, but like Liverpool and Everton there were always exceptions. AFAIK, Alex Ferguson was United’s first non-Catholic manager.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Jesus Christ, Steve. I had you down for a bona fide chuckie, you even had the mopery down to a tee. But now it turns out that you’re a Merkin.

  • George

    Harry,
    United used to be considered a Catholic club.

    They even considered calling themselves Manchester Celtic instead of United at the turn of the last century when they changed their name from Newton Heath.

    Also, they have had a huge Irish following since the 1950s.

  • Steve

    one of us is a mope comrade but it isnt me

  • darth rumsfeld

    “I thought Man U was the prods’ team, the fenians followed City, am I wrong?

    Posted by Harry Flashman on Apr 17, 2008 @ 01:45 AM”

    tut tut Harry
    In a survey in a fanzine two years ago 95% of United fans ( or “scum” as they are more properly described) said their favourite Scottish team was Cellick, and 92% of City fans favoured Rangers.

    One of the MU fans’ song pre-war was “The Manchester Martyrs” about some 19th century pre-Provo headbangers.

    Liverpool FC was founded by one of the leading Orange grandees in the city, but I’m fairly sure that Everton was founded by a Church of England parish. The church was at the corner of the ground and Everton were one of the last clubs to play Sunday football because of some arrangement with the vestry. The Liverpool brethren of my acquaintance tend to be blue, rather than red.

  • good grief

    Ron Atkinson was Catholic ?????

  • George

    Good grief and Dec,
    From what I have read, Atkinson was the first non-Catholic United manager since Scott Duncan in the 1930s.

  • darth rumsfeld

    Everton and Liverpool both sprang from St Domingo’s Methodist Church, harry f

    Liverpool’s first secretary/manager was John McKenna, an Orangeman from Scotshouse, County Monaghan

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Having started this religious hare running with remarks about
    the antichrist/satanta/celtic/rangers I feel obliged to make
    a sensible remark about sectarinism.

    It is interesting how religiosity and all that sail in that funny vessel keeps it’s significance in Glasgow but has has lost it in Liverpool and Manchester.

    Even in the home from home of the antichrist himself (the ROI) a person’s religion is irrelevant ( although trhe church influence still has not gone away )- no one would know or care if any players or managers were catholic or protestant in any football teams. Funny old game.

  • Harry Flashman

    A fine upstanding Liverpudlian friend of mine by the name of Kevin Barry is absolutely certain that the “Red Shite” as he calls them are the huns of Merseyside, the Fenians are true Blues and the same applies to their counterparts across the Pennines. He is clearly mistaken.

    And just to muddy the waters further aren’t the orange Londoners all fans of the King’s Road whilst the papist variety prefer their teams to play at Highbury (or whatever Halal establishment they now call home)?

  • majordolittle

    Are Glentoran the prod team in Belfast?

    Steve – yes I get emails from Flin Flon, no intention of going there. A pal was in Winnipeg and thought it a horrible place. Brandon is on the path from Winnipeg to the north.
    No wearing shorts in Churchill I imagine.

  • Gregory

    “SF didn’t leak that briefing paper, UUP did. They will always seem to be well in control, because that’s part of their nature as control freaks.”

    Ruane is going to lose her job in grand style.

    People are asking themselves if she is really as stupid as I say she is, and I’m telling her colleagues ‘she really is’.

    She’s in a mess.

    G.

  • Driftwood

    I work in the education sector.
    Ruane is regarded as a pathetic joke by everyone, including the CCMS. Principals,teachers,boards of governors, parents deserve at very least , a local minister who is not educationally sub normal.
    I want devolution to work, but Catriona and Edwin are good enough reason to bring back direct rule, leave aside local politics. These morons would not get a job in Pitcairn island.
    At least Poots can do little harm in his toytown fiefdom. Ruane is so out of her depth, she can ruin the future for so many teenagers. Maybe the Open University can save them later, but why is this low achieving idiot even near government?

  • Gregory

    Ruane is (essentially) telling other countries our vetting is a joke (albeit expensive) and that our teachers have the lowest standards.

    The foreign police survey was depressing, one bureau after another,

    what’s the point of them doing hours of paperwork *IF* the Brits don’t ban sex offenders? There is no point taking any trouble.

    Great Britain already had a reputation for pedos in education. Ruane is just confirming that it’s probably official!

    Ruane is doing more than defecating in her own nest, she is playing a part, lowering standards generally. I also agree that Ruane has the sense of rocking horse.

    I’m not being personal for the sake of it, she called me ‘Gregory’ in a recent letter, I flipped and called her office and told them *never* to do that again.

    She is *NOT* my friend, she is a personality disorder on a Sinn Fein ticket who is refusing to ban sex offenders working in our schools.

    That’s my enemy.

    G.

  • Gregory

    Driftwood

    Ruane would probably get a job on Pitcairn Island, she’d probably be arrested eventually of course. In Ohio, what she is doing is worth quite a few years in jail.

    She doesn’t have the moral vocab in her head. It is SF/IRA syndrome. They have no experience of a bona fide human rights culture. It is simply missing from their table of values.

    G.

  • Gregory and Driftwood

    I agree.

    The Antichrist Adams has so little talent available it’s painful observing the mess they’re making.

    Second of all, due to another pertinent coincidence his name contains “Adam”, the name of the first man, and from a theological point of view, this adds much to the basis of him being the Antichrist. Adam coincidentally means ‘man’ in Hebrew, and the number of the beast is specifically described as “man’s number” (Rev 13:18).

    For more click on my name below.

  • Driftwood

    er..sorry Greg and John
    But I’d rather my post stood by itself, and for me to argue it.
    No hostility to you but I like to defend myself, ego and all that…
    Goodnight all

  • Gregory

    Ego, now there’s a thing and a half.

    ‘Ruane is so out of her depth, she can ruin the future for so many teenagers. Maybe the Open University can save them later, but why is this low achieving idiot even near government?’

    Yup, you were doing reasonably well. There was no point putting sprinkle on that cupcake.

    G.

  • Gregory

    “Liverpool FC was founded by one of the leading Orange grandees in the city, but I’m fairly sure that Everton was founded by a Church of England parish.”

    Methodists, it was a dispute over Anfield, Everton’s old ground that saw Liverpool FC come into being.

  • Steve

    Major

    Your friend was right Winnipeg is a shithole, it is the Belfast of Manitoba.

    There are many similarities between nIreland and Manitoba. Both have one large major city that views itself as the centre of the universe. In both cases the most interesting parts of the province lay outside the capital city. Both have less than 2 million citizens, though Manitoba has even a smaller populaion.

    The differences are even more interesting, religion is a complete non issue here. We have very much more land with less people. No one cares what your last name is here. I have cousins with names from Ewen to Perault to Harrasymchuck. My last name is Osterbeck but most of my ancestory is from the UK or Ireland but western european customs being what they are I have my fathers surname.

    Brandon would be the equivelent of Derry, the second largest provincial city but very much smaller as Brandon has only 44,000 citizens and our ghetto’s are entirely economic.

    Just for the record Brandon is on the way from Winnipeg to Churchhill about as much as Derry is on the way from Belfast to Coleraine

    Before you tell me I don’t really know nIreland politics I will say mea culpa, I have actually walked the streets of Belfast, Derry and Coleraine but no one who hasn’t actually lived there could possibly claim to fully understand the emotions or anger that either side lives with. Thats why I think I have always made clear that I am a Canadian though Stalin shows that not everybody knows

    I have a republican bent but that probably has more to do with my inherant western Canadian distrust of centralised authority

  • USA

    Harry Flashman,
    While the term “Prods” may be mildly offensive to some I believe the term “Fenian” to be grossly offensive to many. It is like using the term “nigger” to a black man. There should be no circumstances where the use of either term is acceptable.
    PS. Man Utd, Liverpool and Everton are all “English” teams and they care not a jot for a players or fans religion. They do however care about the colour of your money. Football is big business. Stamp out Sectarianism.

  • elvis parker

    Steve
    ‘unionists all have to huddle in their dilpitated stadiums’
    Personally I’m looking forward the nice new Ravenhill

  • darth rumsfeld

    “And just to muddy the waters further aren’t the orange Londoners all fans of the King’s Road whilst the papist variety prefer their teams to play at Highbury (or whatever Halal establishment they now call home)?”

    The Arsenal, like Everton, acquired an irish following in the 50s and 60s. Before that they were the establishment team in the 1930s,and attracted Conservative/Unionist support. before that they had a large Jewish support ( ironic, given the perceived allegiances of their insdistinguished neighbours.

    I can exclusively reveal that tomorrow’s match at Emirates will be attended by a large number of senior Orangemen who are regular Gooners.
    Chelsea became associated with loyalists because of the colour of their shirts being the same as Rangers and Linfield, two successful teams.THe term “Blues Brothers” came into vogue about 15 years ago.

    Peter Robinson and Jeffrey Donaldson follow Chelsea. Your Evertonian friend will be ecstatic to learn his allegiance is shard by Chris McGimpsey and Nigel Dodds.

  • Harry Flashman

    *I believe the term “Fenian” to be grossly offensive to many. It is like using the term “nigger” to a black man. There should be no circumstances where the use of either term is acceptable.*

    No circumstances? Really?

    My goodness, that will come as a huge surprise to my dear old die-hard Republican granny when I leap up and gag her at the next family do when after a couple of bottles of stout too many she launches into her favourte ballad.

    “Glory oh, glory oh to the boul’ Fenian men..ugh..Jesus! Harry son, did ye have ta belt me so hard?”

    “Sorry Nan, such a term is unacceptable under any circumstances, I know, I read it on Slugger O’Toole”

  • USA

    Harry Flashman,
    Sectarianism can be perpetuated in the written word, the spoken word, in our actions and in song etc. It is undoubtadly difficult for you to deal with the fact that your granny is sectarian also, but remember, just because she is old it does not make it okay.

  • Harry Flashman

    Ok USA, I’m assuming you’re being ironic and taking the piss here, but I’ll rise to the bait anyway. My granny is a die hard Irish Republican of the very old school.

    She hasn’t a sectarian bone in her body but she is an unrepentant Fenian.

    Do you understand the term “fenian”? It relates to the Fenians; Irish Republicans who were prepared to fight the British for an independent Irish Republic, there is nothing shameful or sectarian about it. If you asked Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness whether they were fenians they would give a resounding “Yes, most certainly”.

    Just because some people use it as a term of abuse does not in and of itself make it sectarian.

    In case you are still under any misapprehension let me quote some of the most famous lines ever spoken by one of Ireland’s leading republicans PH Pearse, he was speaking at the graveside of Jeremiah O’Donovan Rossa, a proud Fenian.

    “They think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! they have left us our [b]Fenian[/b] dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.”

    I hope this clears things up for you.

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>She hasn’t a sectarian bone in her body but she is an unrepentant Fenian.<