“the role of the union in fighting for press freedom..”

As RTÉ reports here, this weekend sees the National Union of Journalists holding their annual conference in Belfast for the first time. Interestingly, from the NUJ website,

Friday will also see Jeremy Dear take to the platform for the General Secretary’s address, in which he is expected to stress the role of the union in fighting for press freedom.

Have the NUJ anything to say about Squinter?

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  • West Belfast

    Surely everything that needed to be said has been said on Slugger as you are determined to keep this going.

    If you are so outraged dont buy the ATN anymore – you do buy it, right??

  • heck

    has the UN security council anything to say about Squinter or are they in the pocket of SF. Unionists are outraged

  • Jer

    Just did an office pool for the English grand national. I hope my horse isn’t flogged to death like this story.

  • It’s as if the last thirty years, when the Irish News, the Newsletter and the Belfast Telegraph, who each took millions from the tax payer in the form of grant aid and untendered for public advertising and who gladly toed the line for their respective parties and the regime, never happened….

    I don’t condone for one second what happened to Squinter’s column but I think that Pete is unduly concerned about what the NUJ might say about this incident when he and his fellow travellers revelled in the loss of Daily Ireland and the consequent enforced redundancy of several journalists….

  • Pete Baker

    Concubhar

    I don’t recall revelling in the loss of Daily Ireland, but I’m sure you have a relevant reference to hand?

    As for ‘fellow travellers’.. I don’t mind being taken to task for something I have said, but others can look out for themselves.

  • Below is one post you made in the aftermath of DI’s closure which underlines your attitiude to the newspaper and your ambivalence to the loss of jobs its closure signalled:


    Seems to be Mick.

    Talkback got Mairtin on to thank everyone for their support.. *ahem* and to gripe about the securocrat conspiracy against the paper.. *ahem again*

    but after you had posted it here.

    Posted by Pete Baker on Sep 07, 2006 @ 12:33 PM


  • Seems to be Mick.

    Talkback got Mairtin on to thank everyone for their support.. *ahem* and to gripe about the securocrat conspiracy against the paper.. *ahem again*

    but after you had posted it here.

    Posted by Pete Baker on Sep 07, 2006 @ 12:33 PM

  • jake

    concubhar: why is that whenever you chucks are pushed into a corner your first instinct is to take refuge in ‘whataboutery’ – pathetic! and while you’re right about the establishment media the point about revolutionaries, or those who claim to be revolutionaries, is that they are supposed to be better and more principled than the establishment – that is why when an episode like squinter comes along which shows, using orwell’s metaphor, the pigs turning into men that there is so much interest – understand now?

  • Jake,

    It’s not my first refuge – however it seems to me that there’s a great deal of schadenfreude that goes on and there’s also a great deal of vitriol directed at Daily Ireland/A’town News/Lá Nua.

    I also read Animal Farm – and I have no difficulty understanding the concept you’re talking about. However, it seems to me that those who make it are coming to the party late in the day. Why isn’t it that they spoke up when ‘the men’ were in charge?

    Criticise Sinn Féin all you want – anybody who read Lá Nua while I was editor will know that the paper was critical of SF over its abject failure to live up to its commitments and promise re the Irish language, to such an extent that the Irish language is actually worse off now than it was under direct rule. I have no problem with criticism of Sinn Féin. Those who are now critical over the issue of Press Freedom, supposedly, were in the first line of attack when Daily Ireland was set up as a counterbalance to the vast amount of anti republican propoganda which permeates the Irish and British media. They weren’t so hot on press freedom then….

  • For your information, I’m no ‘chuck’. I have no fixed allegiance to any party.

  • willis

    The NUJ was welcomed to the city on Wednesday night when the speaker of the Northern Ireland Assembly, William Hay ALM, hosted a reception for the union’s National Executive Council at Stormont.

    Nice to see a DUP ALM ? hosting a reception for “lazy journalists”

  • jake

    concubhar: on the basis that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then you are indeed a chuck – as for daily ireland, it wasn’t a newspaper at all but a thinly disguised propaganda sheet for adams & co. its loss was mourned only by you chucks.

  • Steve

    why is it that people treat the rights of the press as some kind of hol grail

    Government censure and censoring of the press is extremely bad and against the best interest of the people

    this censoring and censuring would seem to come from the market that this media outlet seeks to represent so therefore its a pure business decision to back off and apologize.

    Despite what the loyalists think Sinn Fein does not own or operate this paper so it was either the owner or editor who chose this course of action

    Did Sinn Fein apply pressure? Undoubtedly!

    But they could not force the editor or owner to do this, it was ultimately their choice. And tbherefor the correct cholice for them

  • latcheeco

    Sure Steve,
    It was the market forces that censored
    squinter and they’re apparantly much more effective at censorship than the crown forces.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    One point that hasn’t been mentioned is how those threatening not to buy the ATN on the basis of one columnist’s opinion in one article are as deserving of our contempt as the editor was for his apology.

    If you buy a newspaper merely to have your opinions constantly reinforced, you really shouldn’t be buying newspapers in the first place.


  • concubhar: on the basis that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then you are indeed a chuck – as for daily ireland, it wasn’t a newspaper at all but a thinly disguised propaganda sheet for adams & co. its loss was mourned only by you chucks.

    If I’m a chuck, then you’re a rabid unionist lapdog. Since I’m not a chuck – nor a duck – then you’re probably not a rabid unionist lapdog.

    Now if you want to debate the issue of press freedom, that’s fine by me, but keep your assinine assumptions regarding my political affiliation to yourself. My position regarding SF is on public record in Lá Nua and if you want to make an informed observation on the matter you can get someone to translate it for you and it will make perfectly clear that I have no political affiliation of any description and my position re Sinn Féin, though I know people whom I consider good friends in that movement, is very definitely outside the fold.

    Play the ball not the man. Is that still the rule around here?

  • Steve

    Latcheeco

    Market forces are always much more effective at censorship than the government. Governments can only control the flow of legitimate media which only forces other media underground. the government can not stop it only legalise it or ban it. The market can virtually stop anything, there may remain a rump but it tends to fade away to market pressures because it is unsustainable. The IRA is the perfect example of this by the mid 60’s they had all but disappeared because there was no market for them. Then the UVF started killing random people and ultimately it was Bloody Sunday that provided the market that allowed them to re-establish. Yes I am saying even terrorism is market driven. If the DUP is so concerned about business models then why do they keep providing the market that allows Sinn Fein to thrive? Because Sinn Fein provides the market that allows the DUP thrive. For now they are mutually supportive if or when that changes one or both will cease to effectively exist.

    Belfast Gonzo

    If you buy a newspaper merely to have your opinions constantly reinforced, you really shouldn’t be buying newspapers in the first place.

    This is just a silly statement, you buy a newspaper that reflects your views and interests, when it stops doing it you stop buying it. Other wise republicans would be buying the News Letter and Unionists the Andy Town News

  • Reader

    Steve: This is just a silly statement, you buy a newspaper that reflects your views and interests, when it stops doing it you stop buying it. Other wise republicans would be buying the News Letter and Unionists the Andy Town News
    Over my lunch break I tend to scan the comment sections of the Daily Telegraph, the Times and the Guardian. Each of them can arouse very strong disagreement in me at times. So I organise my thoughts: what’s wrong with what they are saying – factual errors? logical errors? assumptions? misrepresentation? myopia? dogma? sentimentality? selfishness? Or might they actually be right?
    But if ever I choose to only read columnists that I agree with, it will be time to put the coffin lid down on what’s left of my brain.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Steve

    I agree that readers buy papers that largely or generally reflect their views. But if the opinions expressed within your paper aren’t divergent or never fail to challenge that outlook, it’s not much of a paper.

    The ATN backlash will reinforce the opinion in some minds that there is a section of SF support that is drone-like in its servility to the party position.

  • Steve

    Reader

    Do you buy those newspapers or read them for free online

    Belfast Gonzo

    Would you then also agree that those that are threatening not to buy the paper because of the appology are as misguided as those that insisted upon it

    Every camp has it drones so SF is just a political party in this manner, the DUP or the TUV also has its drones and its looking increasinly like one of the TUV drones posts here though more articulately then most