“But no one likes to speak ill of the politically dead..”

So says the Guardian’s Michael White of the lame duck first minister. Not even Sinn Féin’s Gerry Adams. His whimisical “carefree” childhood apparently changed utterly by Ian Paisley Snr – no mention in the article, though, of the “seminal political influence” of Gerry Adams Snr.. nor of others in his immediate family. ANYhoo.. perhaps the most appropriate response comes from Trevor Ringland in the Irish Times [subs req]

I have very, very strong views on his influence on this island in the past. But what happened, happened, and we have to try to work through the consequences of that, and seize the opportunity that we have created to make sure we don’t repeat the past. In that respect, and in focusing on the future I have to welcome Ian Paisley’s action in the past 12 months. I believe that Ian Paisley in stepping away from politics frees up the future for unionism. And some individuals or organisations in nationalism and unionism might want to consider doing the same thing.

, , , , ,

  • Ahem

    Ah, squish ‘Unionism’ at its finest: “I have very, very strong views on his influence on this island in the past”. FFS why not just go the whole Stockholm syndromed hog and gurn on about the ‘occupied six’?

  • “In and around 2003 and 2004, when it was obvious that David Trimble was not going to deliver, some of us formed a view that our big challenge was to make a deal with Ian Paisley.” .. Adams

    Perhaps Blair or his advisors were part of the ‘some of us’ and the year was 2002

  • heck

    I read the comments below the line of the Adams’ piece in the guardian-what a loads of BS

    How can anyone deny that the Brits are a bunch of self righteous hypocritical b******s?

    These are the same people who praised harry windsor blowing citizens of a third world country to hell. You can write the script in your sleep

    English person at war

    warrior prince–blah blah blah–service to country -blah-blah–so brave–blah blah-doing his duty

    Irish person at war

    evil paddies -blah blah- killing people -blah blah-murders –blah blah-crime

    what ever we think of paisley and adams they are products of Northern Ireland, carry a bit of all of us, and represent us to the world. Given a choice between paisley/adams and the sort or people who commented on the adams article I know who I would choose.

    Who can deny that the British attitude to adams and paisley is anything other than pure racism.

  • Greenflag

    ‘in focusing on the future I have to welcome Ian Paisley’s action in the past 12 months.’

    Most people on the island would agree with Trevor Ringland’s 12 months welcome . We don’t want to think too much about the previous 40 years . Perhaps it’s the catholic tradition of the easy forgiving confessional that makes most Irish ‘leap’ to forgive Paisley his earlier attitudes and nay saying ? On the other hand the ‘leap’ to forgive Paisley may be a hard nosed political judgement based on the belief that there are others within Unionism who while lacking Paisley’s gift of the gab might easily start the whole miserable nonsense yet again?

    ‘I believe that Ian Paisley in stepping away from politics frees up the future for unionism.’

    Is there a future for Unionism on this island ?

    Only perhaps in a smaller mainly Unionist State -east of the Bann .

    Paisley may have freed up the future for Unionists as people and as individuals rather than Unionism as a political ideology per se !

    Robinson has’nt got an easy act to follow .

  • Wilde Rover

    We can be sure SF will mourn the loss of their greatest electoral asset. Never has one person worked so tirelessly to promote the agenda of militant republicanism or make it appear acceptable to a global audience.

    At least the Chuckle Brothers will get to have a farewell tour.

  • Dewi

    “No one likes to speak ill of the politically dead” I don’t mind – one of the most evil, wicked, rabble rousing politicians ever seen in Ireland.

    From the tricolour episode onward his whole career is just a hate filled life. Even his whining on Nolan about plan B – like been bullied into power sharing against his will.
    Good riddance.

  • John Deere

    Heck

    I have no time for Paisley, I have a healthy scepticism for the British, and no time for its gutter press (although unlike anybody else, I will confess to reading it), but on one point I do feel I have to defend the Brits.
    Despite the atrocities that “we” Irish committed against their civillian population. (I deliberately ignore whataboutery) they still by and large like and accept the irish(if anything, ironically the southern/republican more than the northern prod)

  • nmc

    There is a period of time when someone retires (or dies) when erstwhile critical opponents fall over themselves to deliver the most ridiculous of praise. We have Adams describing the man as “gracious” and other likewise ludicrouse suggestions about his tireless work for peace. MORE LIES FROM THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH. Even the guff about his front-line role in NI politics for the past 40 years is a load of tripe – he was very much non-front-line for the majority of his career. More a back room rabble rouser.

    I look forward to the time in the near future when the media gets round to looking at his career from start to finish, and those who seem to think that the DUP/Big Ian is a blameless bystander in the misery caused in this country will find themselves reconnected to reality. Hopefully we’ll get to find out about big Ian’s numerous paramilitary links (including ulster resistance) and some of the other very unchristian, inflammatory acts that the man has perpetrated against the people of NI. He’s an evil old man, and time will get to tell that story. My only disappointment is that he’s gone before his own voters turned against him, probably in the hope that he won’t end up going down the same road as junior and be proven to be getting rich off the misery he has helped to cause. (Just like Adams, McGuinness etc. IMHO. Everyone of them is an unscrupulous unprincipled scum bag).

  • Greenflag

    ( Paisley) Just like Adams, McGuinness etc. IMHO. Everyone of them is an unscrupulous unprincipled scum bag).

    So not at all like the scrupulous, men of principle who governed Northern Ireland since the State was founded ? Remember the ones who closed their eyes and ears to the changing world around them and who could neither lead the people forward and who like blinkered lemmings could only run one way and that the wrong way.

    Question :

    What do you call the voters of Northern Ireland who have voted for the unscrupulous and unprincipled scumbags ?

    Answer : The majority of the voters in Northern Ireland .

  • Dewi, many decent folks over the years, including DUP councillors, have been trampled on by the DUP leadership. Now that the pressure is currently off it appears that lots of them have stories to tell. Perhaps DUP apologists ought to take a short holiday until the dust settles …

  • Harry White

    Nice piece about the Adans family being interbred. Good to see The bearded One is from a republican family, as was Sean O’Callaghan, who had the honour that Martin Ferris gave the oration at his pop’s funeral. Gerry Adams seems to be the last Unionist standing.

  • Greenflag, get back into your cave and figure out the number of kindred spirits there’ve been n the Dáil. People who shelter under glass domes … 🙂

  • The Paisley/Sweeney/CarsonMcDowell/Sarcon ‘soap’ seems determined to run for a few episodes yet:

    “Last night Ian Paisley Junior said that he and his father had paid around £42,000 for seven months rent of their constituency office in Ballymena. The premises are owned by a company set up by Sweeney and the rent is high by local standards. Sweeney also built one of Paisley Junior’s homes near Bushmills.

    Both properties have, according to Paisley, been the subject of misleading records of ownership. Companies Registry in Belfast shows the Paisley’s constituency office, at 9-11 Church Street Ballymena, as owned by a company called Sarcon 250 which was set up by Seymour Sweeney.

    Land Registry records that on 31 July last year Sweeney raised a debenture mortgage against the property from the Bank of Ireland.

    According to Ian Paisley Junior Sweeney resigned as director that day and was replaced by James Curry, Paisley’s father in law. Like Sweeney Curry is a DUP member. However this change is not recorded at Companies House which has no record of Sweeney resigning.

    “We only took possession of this office in August” Paisley said.

    “Sweeney was there for about eight weeks before that. He gave advice on how we could secure the property because we were about to lose it and we hadn’t sold our [previous] Hill Street property at that point. Basically he was able to secure a loan from the bank on the basis that it would secured by the company and that once it was secured he would reverse out and allow another director to take over.”

    Paisley says the changeover from Sweeney to Curry took place “simultaneously” with the signing of the loan documents from the Bank of Ireland.

    He added “James (Curry) is a member of the DUP and then there are a number of trustees who include the chairman of my branch who are like an oversight of the management. It is owned by Sarcon which is controlled by James Curry and a small group of trustees.” … Liam Clarke, Sunday Times, February 20, 2008

    I’d downloaded some pdf files from the companies prior to that date:

    Sweeney becomes a director of Sarcon (No 250) Limited on 30/5/2007

    Ballymena premises: mortgaged 31 July 2007

    I’ve just downloaded two more files:

    Sweeney termination of directorship received by CR on 21 Feb 2008 – signed and dated 24/10/07

    Currie directorship received by CR on 21 Feb 2008 – signed and dated 24/10/07

    It would seem that Nigel Dodds, DETI minister, may have some questions to put to Companies Registry, staff of Carson McDowell, Currie, Sweeney – and Paisley jnr.

  • We now know that, merely as the more outrageous examples:

    Gregory Campbell was paying his wife £12,600 a year to rent a specially-purchased office in Bushmills Road, Coleraine.
    Paisley Inc were paying an annualised rent of £72,000 for the Church Street palazzo — and to their political crony/relatives.

    Sorry: enough’s enough. At some point this whole business tripped over from misfeasance to malfeasance.

    McPlod went after Wendy Alexander for £950;
    Derek Conway milked the system for a grand total of £260,000, but was nailed;
    Bertie Ahern’s venality was limited to the odd five figure sum;
    meanwhile the PSNI seem impotent over a cross-party racket which must now be comfortably (except for the public pocket which has been serially picked) into seven figures.

    All that’s missing here are the numbered accounts in Liechtenstein. Perhaps, with Nev in his present form, even they are only a matter of time.

  • Malcolm, I’ve previously invited the sleuths to check the expenses of those who are ‘multitasking’ just in case some may have been tempted to claim rent and rates – and staffing allowances – from more than one ‘benefactor’.

  • Mr Angry

    Nevin, next time you’re in CR you should ask to see the “correspondence file” for Sarcon 250.

    That pesky old “lazy journalism” FOI act should help you access the folder containing the paperwork that is fastidiously removed from the covers before the file is passed over the counter for perusal by enquiring minds such as your own.

    It’s no small wonder that the contents of same are [b]never[/b] scanned onto the system for download / perusal.

    Happy hunting.

  • How can that be so, Mr Angry?

    Nigel Dodds, DETI minister, would settle for nothing less than a world class companies registry facility and the Carson McDowell Sarcon Compliance Limited, listed secretary to Sarcon No 250 Limited, would undoubtedly ensure that changes in company details would be lodged well within the obligatory 14 days.

    Presumably Margaret Ritchie will fully research Sarcon (No [ ]) Limited (#17), the company linked to the £X million pound Ballee land deal. The office of Lord Justice Campbell, with the assistance of Carson McDowell*, should be able to provide the minister with the missing number – and perhaps the ‘correspondence file’ you refer to.

    Some files were ‘removed’ before I was given the Blackside planning folder. I wonder what further ‘revelations’ they might contain. Perhaps letters from lobbyists ….

    * Our partners ‘like to keep a personal involvement in all transactions providing an exclusive tailor made service’.

  • nmc

    Question :

    What do you call the voters of Northern Ireland who have voted for the unscrupulous and unprincipled scumbags ?

    Answer : The majority of the voters in Northern Ireland Comprehensively duped

  • Mr Angry

    “How can that be so, Mr Angry?”

    “I wonder what further ‘revelations’ they might contain. Perhaps letters from lobbyists ….”

    He shoots, he scores!

  • AntiChrist

    Ringland admits he lives on an island and ahem thinks he’s letting down the side.

    Jesus wept.