Are you a Catholic Muslim or a Protestant Muslim…


Idris Tawfiq was a Catholic priest, then left the and “in time moved towards Islam” “There is no clash whatever, and it is only mischief makers who like to cause division between people of faith.” On the troubles in Northern Ireland: “on this island of Ireland, terrible things were done in the name of religion which had nothing to do with the message of Christianity.” He goes on to talk about the split between political and religious responses; including the Archbishop of Canterbury’s controversial address (speech here) to the Temple Festival.

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  • The Truth

    Done in the name of religion? Complete crap. You give your allegience to Ireland, or else you give your allegience to your perceived superiors in another country.

  • Gerry lvs Castro

    Yet another dimwit who perceives the NI conflict to be about religion rather than nationality.

    As for his ‘mischief makers’ comment, it is people of faith who cause division by proclaiming theirs to be the only ‘true faith’ and all others in error. That does tend to get people’s backs up a bit.

  • Mick Fealty

    There are a number of secularists who have precisely the same problem GlC…

  • Mustapha Mond

    “There is no clash whatever, and it is only mischief makers who like to cause division between people of faith.”

    Thats no way to talk about your former employer.:o)

    GLC
    “it is people of faith who cause division by proclaiming theirs to be the only ‘true faith’ and all others in error”

    Get yer guddys on, and run that thought through to it inevitable conclusion, and understand what is meant by faith.

  • Gerry lvs Castro

    Mick, if by secularists you mean atheists, then they have no faith at all, which is rather different to laying claim to the ‘true faith.’

  • Greenflag

    ‘Yet another dimwit who perceives the NI conflict to be about religion rather than nationality. ‘

    Sad but true . The worst offenders in this respect are of course the world’s mass media . Be honest have you ever seen a headline on CNN referring to the ‘British ‘ Unionists of Northern Ireland or the large Irish minority in Northern Ireland ? At most you’ll hear pro British Protestants and Catholic minority . For most American and British listeners this reads a) religion is the problem and b) minority ergo that must mean about 10 to 15% .

    Thats about as much as the average mass media ‘dimwits’ can take on Northern Ireland I’m afraid . In any event Northern Ireland’s problem has zero impact on the rest of the world so any more than a cursory sound bite is considered a waste !

  • Perhaps Noel could have started by asking are you a Jihad loving Muslim or are you a peace loving Muslim? That might have stretched Tawfiq a little more. Many people believe Islam has PLENTY to do with terrorism – 9/11, Madrid, 7/7, Bali …who carried those events out??? This guy was a 3rd rate apologist for Islamofascism and were I one of those moderate Muslims that we hear so much about on the BBC, I would be most concerned that he represented me.

  • [i]”Mick, if by secularists you mean atheists, then they have no faith at all, which is rather different to laying claim to the ‘true faith.’”[/i]

    Sorry, but atheists are those who firmly BELIEVE there is no God. Atheism is as much a matter of faith as is the belief that there is a God.

    [i]”it is people of faith who cause division by proclaiming theirs to be the only ‘true faith’ and all others in error. That does tend to get people’s backs up a bit.”[/i]

    Including those people of faith who believe there is no God. Sorry, Gerry, but you’re just as guilty as the most fervent theist who says exactly the opposite of what you preach. Sometimes, it seems to me that those who believe there is no God put far more faith in their belief and preach it with far more fire than people who do believe in God.

  • Iran is making nuclear weapons, quick somebody tell the Americans he know something they don’t!

    bet this ugly was an alcoholic and was drawn by the the muslim faith being more adherrent to be dry.

  • Screwball

    Sorry Bob you’re wrong. If my petrol tank in my car is empty that does not mean empty is a kind of fuel? Faith implies that you believe something no matter what. By contrast every athiest I know, including myself has no faith. It’s not like an angry anti-church, we do not form wee groups to meet up any assert out lack of faith. We do not go door to door trying to convince others to share our lack of faith. Show me incontravertible proof that there is a god and I’ll believe, untill then I do not. That is what it means for me as an athiest.

  • DK

    Bob McG: “Sorry, but atheists are those who firmly BELIEVE there is no God. Atheism is as much a matter of faith as is the belief that there is a God.”

    See Screwball. What you are describing Bob is an Anti-theist.

    I must say though that it is refreshing to see you to post something different from your usual number of civilains killed “stats”.

  • Gerry lvs Castro

    Bob: ‘Sorry, but atheists are those who firmly BELIEVE there is no God. Atheism is as much a matter of faith as is the belief that there is a God.’

    Oh good grief. Bob I’ll wager you don’t believe in the Loch Ness Monster, leprachauns or the man in the moon. Does that make you a person of faith? Or someone who refuses to accept mythical nonsense at face value?

    ‘Sometimes, it seems to me that those who believe there is no God put far more faith in their belief and preach it with far more fire than people who do believe in God.’

    Stating the obvious is hardly preaching. And if someone doesn’t stand up and point out the elephant in the room, it creates a licence for religious extremists to impose their twisted views on society as a whole. Remember Bob, the ultimate outcome of unchallenged religious belief is witch trials, heresy and the taliban.

  • McKelvey

    “Faith implies that you believe something no matter what.”

    True, just as someone can believe that there is no God, no matter what.

    I think the point people are trying to make is that some atheists can be just as rigidly intolerant as some theists can be.