Junior, that shopping list and the St Andrews’ Deadline…

Jim Allister has released another end of Junior’s Shopping List saga, ie the government’s response. Despite the fact Junior has resigned his post, Allister now seems to be gunning for Ian Paisley Senior. A man now under pressure from more than one direction.From Jim Allister

On 9th November a memo was sent from OFMDFM to the Permanent Secretaries of DSD, DETI, DOE, DRD and DCAL saying that they would be “aware of the representations made by Ian Paisley Jnr” and informing them that David Hanson wished to provide the DUP MLA with a response which should be “as positive as possible”.

Interestingly it stated that “In the case of the Giant’s Causeway issue, it would be appreciated if DETI and DOE could agree a single composite response”. A copy of Ian Junior’s infamous St Andrews shopping list was included with this email.

But most significantly, departments were informed that Mr Hanson “wishes to write well in advance of 24 November and to meet this deadline, I would be grateful if your response could be forwarded to me … by close of play on 15th November”.

Do not forget that November 24th was the original deadline by which devolution was to have been restored, with the DUP required to give a response before then.
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It would appear to me, therefore, that instead of the DUP being focused on securing the best possible deal for the people of Northern Ireland and addressing the many shortcomings of the St Andrews Agreement surrounding the removal of terrorist structures, the absurdity of mandatory coalition, the joint office of First and deputy First Minister, the IRA’s ill-gotten gains, etc. the government believed they were more interested in securing progress on Ian Jnr’s wish list.

Why else would Mr Hanson have been so keen to write “well in advance of 24 November”?

This confirms to me that the DUP took its eye off the ball and wasted valuable negotiating leverage on Junior’s pet projects. As Leader of the Party, Ian Paisley Senior has to carry responsibility for this squandering of the opportunities at St Andrews. He has never acknowledged what he knew of Junior’s activities at St Andrews, but I’d find it very hard to believe that he did not know. Certainly, from today’s disclosure, it is clear HMG took satisfying Junior as satisfying the DUP!”

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  • perci

    Shame on you Mick for not blogging the live debate on the paul quinn murder today.

  • Blooper

    Tick-tock, tick-tock. Jim Allister reduced to recycling stuff he claimed months ago, only this time with an added piece of paper attached. Jim Allister was at St. Andrews why didn’t he state his view that the eye was taken off the ball then? One trick pony.

  • Mick Fealty

    Because Junior was on a solo run?

  • Blooper

    That would be my view.

  • Mick Fealty

    A solo run, nevertheless, that was treated with the utmost seriousness by the NIO. He was a dangerous creature to bring back into politics, and an even more dangerous one to have lost and alienated…

    The view these documents provide is that Junior was hogging the party’s capital, and the party let him do it .

  • steve48

    seems clear that the Government viewed the requests as a DUP shopping list not a private one

  • Rapunsel

    Big deal , nothing new here , a very carefully crafted piece of government correspondence which would appear to corroborate the view that HMG wanted to keep the paisley’s sweet . But why would they not? Don’t believe myself that the DUP negotiating position was diluted due to wee Ian’s shopping list. Facts are DUP got as much as they were going to get and devided to go for devolution on that basis. Allister can’t face up to that and as others have said was he not himself a senior member of the DUP? Clearly the negotiating position he claims to have been enunciating was not even shared by the senior members of his own party.

    I wonder would he care to spend some time digging into the finances of the party and it’s members visis vis the use of public funds or would that disclose some unpalatable truths closer to home

  • Blooper

    Repunsel is correct. Junior was lobbying alone and because the govt. wanted to keep him sweet they did what the did – big whoop! At least he wasn’t seeking a Knighthood a la Trimble.

  • sweeper

    Was it a solo run? Did the Hon Gentleman MP for Nth Antrim know? was the deal dependent on IPj’s shopping list? Does this explain the sudden u-turn by the DUP? in other words were the DUP bought?

    I have been amazed by the fact that the DUP still can’t explain their conversion. Disarmament was months before ST Andrews, support for the police remains sketchy, the IRA council remains – so explain why? Plan B? we never saw or heard it.

    So a shopping lists plus two ministerial cars for the Paisleys and the dupes of the Party loyally followed.

    Allister is right to keep banging on about this because it simply exposes hypocrisy at the heart of the leading unionist party.

  • Blooper

    sweeper

    hypocrisy that seemingly Mr. Allister was a part of given he was present at St. Andrews. It’s very easy for a man who isn’t subject to FoI to use it as a big stick to beat others with. Anyway, JA has probably had this for a long time and planned to use it at the opportune moment – the fact that he fired it out today confirms my view that without Junior and his Da to kick around, Allister hasn’t really got much to say.

  • joeCanuck

    You can’t kick someone around if they have nothing to hide.

  • sweeper

    Blooper

    At least you accept it smacks of hypocrisy. I am no supporter of Allister nor of the Paisleys. I just believe the DUP are where they are today due to greed and a power lust. I don’t believe there was any principle involved, I believe they grabbed to chance to be top of the heap.

    In my analysis the people of NI never came into their thinking and I suspect that Robo and the rest were happy enough for the Doc and IPj to get what was needed because they realised the Doc wouldn’t last forever, IPj wouldn’t last. So once the party was across the devolution line in time the spoils would fall to Robo and his mates and the future was rosy!

    Robo – First Minister, Mrs Robo – first lady and who cares about the rest.

    The whole DUP are shallow and easily led – but we all know that anyway!

  • Turgon

    Blooper,
    If Jim Allister had had all this for a long time; why did he not release it before the Dromore by election?

    My understanding is that his office release stuff as and when they get it.

    Complaining about the timing of the release of sleaze about the DUP is not a terribly impressive defence for the DUP: have another go.

  • Paul P

    “it is clear HMG took satisfying Junior as satisfying the DUP”

    That statement has a “Mohammed Fayed” ring to it.

    The communications that Allister has prove that Ian Paisley Junior was lobbying for his constituents during the St Andrews negotiations.This communication has caused his party extreme embarassment. However the communications do not prove that Ian Paisley Snr or any other DUP negotiator had knowledge of what Ian Junior was doing.

  • pith

    Has anyone asked Paisley Snr if he knew about the Paisley jnr shopping list?

  • Buggerhed

    “others have said was he not himself a senior member of the DUP?”

    I recall a time when he considered a potential leader.

    “Anyway, JA has probably had this for a long time and planned to use it at the opportune moment – the fact that he fired it out today confirms my view that without Junior and his Da to kick around, Allister hasn’t really got much to say.”

    That is the most speculative guff I’ve come across in a long time. It can be paraphrased as

    “aww Jim’s had this for ages but kept quiet about it so he could hurt the DUP”. The bastard

  • Buggerhed, apparently there’s been so much sleaze swilling around in DUP circles that it was just a matter of time before it flowed into the public domain.

  • dupmember

    BLOOPER
    I agree wholeheartedly with you. JA is nothing but a one trick pony the DUP should never have reinstated his membership of the Party. I am sure like me a lot of party members ever regret bringing JA back into the party after his years in the political wilderness. The DUP gave him a political platform to Europe which unfortunately he is now abusing he would not have been elected on his own. He was a very divisive member of the party for years and unless things were done to his liking he huffed and puffed just as he is doing now. The other leckies he has around him most of who have also been within the party and of course also have an axe to grind, either because they were not selected or elected. They are a very spiteful bunch who think they are the Saviours of Northern Ireland, this could not be further from the truth they are enemies of the Unionist people no matter which party they support and have nothing to offer to anyone and with the help of right thinking people they will be consigned to the dustbin of history,

    Regarding the drip drip of FOI answers while this may be manna to the DUP detractors. The ordinary people of NI who are really interested in where we in Northern Ireland are going mostly to fully support the DUP in their strategy now and in the future. JA seems to be more than happy to try and bring down the Assembly and revert to Direct Rule again for he has said that is what he wants. Surely no right thinking person would wish that on the people of Northern Ireland that is except Jim Alistair and his TUV movement.

    BUGGERHEAD
    ”I recall a time when he considered a potential leader.”

    Not sure were you got that information from, he was never on the radar as party leader and Jnr was Junior Minister by the office of his father not the party.

  • It’s nice to see the DUPers put their heads above the parapet now that Junior has decided to walk ie be the scapegoat.

  • From Paul P.

    “… the communications do not prove that Ian Paisley Snr or any other DUP negotiator had knowledge of what Ian Junior was doing.”

    However, they do prove that the old man was either (a) ignorant of the “solo run” of the member of his negotiating team to whom he would have been closest and is therefore an incompetent negotiator, or (b) he knows more about the “solo run” than he is letting on and is therefore an incompetent negotiator.

    dupingmember,

    Yeah, I bet you regret recalling a smart cookie like Allister from the Bar Library, given the way he has shown up the chumps in your party. And don’t complain about others supposedly appointing themselves the “saviours” of Ulster when your chuckling leader spent the last 40 years telling his party he was God’s man for the the hour and blasting some unionist leader for surrendering far less than he has now done. We might also ask what the old man knew about the funding of his and his son’s constituency offices – why should Junior be the only member of the First Family to fall on his sword this week?

    Try harder next time.

  • John Doe frae Belliemeena

    With apologies to lyricist Aretha Franklin and Dusty Springfield who recorded the song:

    SON OF A PREACHER MAN

    [An ode to Seymour Sweeney from Ian Junior / Ian Og]

    Ian Junior was a preacher’s son
    And when his daddy would visit he’d come along
    When they gathered around and started talkin’
    That’s when Ian would take me walkin’
    Out to the Giant’s Causeway we’d go walkin’
    Then he’d look into my eyes
    Lord knows, to my surprise

    The only one who could ever reach me
    Was the son of a preacher man
    The only MLA who could ever teach me
    Was the son of a preacher man
    Yes he was, he was, ooh, yes he was

    Bein’ good isn’t always easy
    No matter how hard I try
    When he started sweet-talkin’ to me
    He’d come’n tell me “The Deal is alright”
    He’d whisper and tell me “Balee is alright”
    Can I get away with these deal tonight?

    The only one who could ever reach me
    Was the son of a preacher man
    The only MLA who could ever teach me
    Was the son of a preacher man
    Yes he was, he was, ooh, yes he was (yes he was)

    How well I remember
    The look that was in his eyes
    Buy the house from me on the sly
    Takin’ time to make time
    Tellin’ me that it was all mine
    Learnin’ from each other’s knowin’
    Lookin’ to see how much we’ve grown and

    The only one who could ever reach me
    Was the son of a preacher man
    The only MLA who could ever teach me
    Was the son of a preacher man
    Yes he was, he was, oh yes he was

    (The only one who could ever reach me)
    He was the sweet-talkin’ son of a preacher man
    (The only MLA who could ever teach me)
    Was the son of a preacher man

    (The only MLA who could ever reach me)
    Was the sweet-talkin’ son of a preacher man

  • Truth & Justice

    A well made comment jim Allistair was at St Andrews and came out looking happy enough with the rest of them.

  • Interested Observer

    dupmember

    If your rant above is typical of your parties thoughts I am not surprised you lost 40% of your vote in Dromore.

    The arrogance you display in dismissing Jim Allister and the TUV says it all. I thought after Dromore the party was going to listen to the voters but obviously this was just another line of party spin. We are getting used to the party saying something and not really meaning it.

  • USA

    Dupmember, that was a load of crap.
    I agree JA has nothing really to offer but i’m glad to see he is relentless in highlighting the stupidity and hypocracy of the DUP.
    He is playing a great game so far and causing the DUP all kinds of headaches.
    Keep it up.
    The old bi*got Paisley will be next to go.

  • pith

    Nevin,

    This business of Paisley jnr as scapegoat is interesting. Has Paisley snr sacrificed his son to try to save himself? It’s almost biblical.