Football Bonanza

Another feast of international football awaits, with games in Cardiff, Belfast, Glasgow and Tel Aviv catching the attention of local fans. Whilst fans of the Republic will have to make do with a battle for 3rd place with an equally lacklustre Welsh side, the North can keep hopes of qualification alive with victory over the Danes tonight (though Mark Lawrenson has just suggested qualification would be a ‘loaves and fishes’ achievement on Football Focus.) As for the mighty Scots, victory against Italy will book their place in the Finals, whilst English hopes rest on Israeli and/ or Macedonian shoulders. Meanwhile, speculation over Steve Staunton’s replacement as international manager has taken a new twist with the news that senior players, led by Robbie Keane, will be meeting the FAI’s John Delaney to discuss the successor. All to play for then!

  • Democratic

    Great result on Saturday and a cracking campaign for Northern Ireland no matter what happens now.
    Does me proud.
    Actually met Healy and couple of the other boys in the town on Saturday night – absolute gentleman I must say and very nice to see too.
    As for the begrudgers – f*ck them – same old names, same old spiels, same old bitterness, same old rants that have been done to death a hundred times. It really rankles these tools that a team and their supporters (that many of them claim to have no interest in anyway)have something to cheer about – let them drown in their own bile, if the best they can do is roll out the same knackered old propaganda machine on Slugger then the rest of us have absolutely nothing to worry about – Onwards and upwards to Spain!!

  • nmc

    The grading criterai for the Brussel’s International Football Award:

    • respect for others, without distinction between nationalities, races, cultures, etc.,
    • peaceful encouragement (in contrast to violence),
    • respect for the mental and physical well-being of all those involved in a match,
    • the celebratory and friendly aspect of the sport,
    • meeting and dialogue at a match,
    • encouragement for good play, whether by the supporter’s own team or the opposition,
    • encouragement of fair-play by players and respect for the referee,
    • sharing, solidarity and fellowship as part of the same passion…
    • acceptance of defeat whilst aspiring to victory…
    • fraternisation between supporters before, during and after the match
    • the appearance of the pitch and surrounding areas.

    From the official website:

    http://www.supportersaward.be

    Ya know the one’s that gave you the award? No mention of charity. Plenty about trying to show respect to people, something you had to be told to do and rewarded like a child for not being bold.

    So how about that Billy Liar tag. He wasn’t telling lies, so how about we start calling you Doctor Liar or Willow liar?

    Can I ask a mod, can I start making up names for people? Because adding a suffix Liar is the namecalling of a ten year old. I can think of funnier and more offensive names to use, particularly easily when I think of Willowbag or Doctor Shitman.

  • “We RoI fans will never win the UEFA award that the “GAWA” did – that’s because we have never been anywhere near the very low sectarian point that they started from.”

    Now that nmc has kindly posted the criteria, it’s clear that there is no implication that the recipients of the award had to be particularly bad to start with, just that they have to be particularly good to receive the award. It doesn’t say “improvement in” or “progress in”.

    A bit more…

    “The prize awarded by the City of Brussels and its partners aims to honour supporters (ad-hoc groups, organised supporters associations or clubs) who, in their behaviour, attitude or initiatives have symbolised the values of friendliness, celebration and respect for supporters and players from opposing teams.

    “The Brussels International Supporters Award” therefore honours any positive initiative that represents an example, symbol and embodiment of values including:

    • respect for others, without distinction between nationalities, races, cultures, etc., ” …

  • And nmc, “trying to show respect to people”.

    It says showing respect, not trying. It’s a bit silly to provide the very quote you’re misquoting.

  • Democratic

    Just reading that award criteria business there -Good stuff – well done on the NI Supporters for getting this in the bag. Paradoxically it would appear to some begrudgers that such an award confirms the all round scuminess of our support rather than the other way around….spin doctoring I think it’s called.

  • willowfield

    Nmc

    So how about that Billy Liar tag. He wasn’t telling lies, so how about we start calling you Doctor Liar or Willow liar?

    He was telling lies, indeed repeating lies that he has told before: he said the NI supporters didn’t start working against sectarianism until after the Neil Lennon death threat. He also told other lies about NI supporters in previous threads.

    You should retract your accusation against me forthwith.

  • janeymac

    “Now that nmc has kindly posted the criteria, it’s clear that there is no implication that the recipients of the award had to be particularly bad to start with, just that they have to be particularly good to receive the award. It doesn’t say “improvement in” or “progress in”. ”

    Beano, you should have read the background info of those who have won the award before making the above statement!

    I wonder will San Marino/Switzerland ever win the award?

  • nmc

    The primary thing of note on the list of criteria, such as:

    peaceful encouragement (in contrast to violence)

    Goes without saying. Is anyone here claiming that in the year of NI’s award they were the most unviolent? Is anyone suggesting that they showed the most respect without distinction between nationalities, races, cultures, etc? Bollocks. I’m sure there are many, many teams in Europe who would view that list of requirements as redundant, basic human decency. They don’t need rewarded for effort because, like most regional football teams, they don’t preside over a sectarian hotbed. At least have the decency to admit that your team has and had a problem.

    Beano, WRT to trying to show respect to people, I’m drawing attention to the fact that for a long time NI fans didn’t, and the chants of No Surrender continue. Either the fans have “tried” to show respect by “stamping out sectarianism” or they haven’t. If they haven’t then it must be your opinion that either a) they were perfect to start with, or b) They are as bad as ever they were. P.S. it wasn’t a misquote, a misquote would have looked like this:

    “trying to show respect to people”

    The difference is to be found in the quotation marks.

    Willowbag,

    if the fans were working against it at the time, it wouldn’t have happened. How exactly do non sectarian fans put a death threat on a catholic for sectarian reasons? I will retract nothing, your constant repitition of how NI fans were all peace loving hippies accidentally threatening people with death, won’t make them true either. Your namecalling is childish – attaching liar to someone’s name would be smart in P2. By P4 the other kids would be taking the piss. I’m assuming your over twenty, which is simply sad that Billyliar is sufficiently ammusing to you that you repeat it. It shows a total lack of respect but from your posts that is to be expected.

  • kensei

    “• the appearance of the pitch and surrounding areas.”

    Well, I think that rules out that they’ve ever seen Windsor Park, anyway.

  • I am incapable of being annoyed by these incredible boring people this week. We have more important matters at hand.

  • Democratic

    In the warped and bigotted mind of the anti-Northern Ireland begrudger – winning a recognised award for improving and combatting the problems they themselves so frequently & vocally complain of is not a cause for celebration – oh no – it is merely confirmation that they were right about the scumbags all along!!!!
    Fascinating logic and a blinkered mindset that no kind of reasonable discussion will ever alter – so why bother?

  • Don’t bother Democrat. Enjoy the Spain game, enjoy savouring our defeat of the Danes, enjoy the fact that we have something to play for. Not everyone can say the same about the team that they claim to support.

  • nmc

    Be fair democratic, that’s not what I said. All of my posts are in response to this:

    Here we go again, as I have continuously pointed out NI won the City Of Brussells award for outstanding sportsmanship among it´s supporters, not least for the tremendous charity, given whwn the GAWA visit the less developed corners of Europe.

    Which is a lie. I would imagine they won the award for fulfilling some of the criteria on the list, as opposed to this shite above. It’s simply not true.

  • Outsider

    I’m sure Chris Donnelly has his witty thread ready for posting on Wednesday night with only the scores on the thread to be included.

    If you must be the person who posts the sports threads and if you want to use Republican language please refer to Northern Ireland as the illegally formed occupied 6 counties and none of this watered down ‘The North’ nonsense.

  • Democratic

    nmc,
    My ire was not really directed at you to be honest – the particular issue you raise has been done to death so many times – it is quite evident that none of us are going to move in our positions regarding this. You may well be right about the charity business having nothing to do with the award and fair enough to you if so – you must agree however that the award is very much a positive step and something that the NI support have every right to be proud of. However I do understand that it is not the official declaration that our fans are the best in the world per se – as some amongst us seem to think and of course there is still work to be done as an ongoing concern – if other NI fans are giving that impression to you then for one disagree.
    You could cut them a little slack for the temporary over exagerations after the
    weekends heroics – I honestly don’t think it is done to wind you up…

  • nmc

    you must agree however that the award is very much a positive step and something that the NI support have every right to be proud of.

    Wholeheartedly.

  • Sorry nmc, I was getting my misquotes and misrepresentations confused.

  • eranu

    i was down in the bot on saturday for the match with a big ‘mixed’ crowd. we all went bananas when we went 2 – 1 up, and when the final whistle went. great atmosphere.
    if only the prejudiced people posting here could see how ridiculous they are making themselves look..

  • Eranu speaks/types great wisdom. It’s very easy to be a biggoted knee jerk reactionist when you hide behind the interwebs, somewhat harder when you’re in public and have to face the consequences. I can hand on heart admit that there are times when I have been read to make such comments. I wasn’t born decked in Alliance yellow and demanding a shared society, but the difference between a human and an animal is that the human doesn’t give in to it’s base instincts, the human rises above them.

  • The best fans in Europe.

    By the way, what pub in Belfast is this? If you’re up to your necks in Fenian blood you may drown as you stumble into the toilets.

  • willowfield

    nmc

    if the fans were working against it at the time, it wouldn’t have happened.

    Very odd reasoning. Because someone issued a death threat, therefore the fans weren’t working against sectarianism. Doesn’t follow. Has, say, the Community Relations Council not been working against sectarianism because of the many acts of sectarianism that have taken place since it was formed? Has trade unionism not been working against harassment and bullying because harassment and bullying has occurred?

    How exactly do non sectarian fans put a death threat on a catholic for sectarian reasons?

    No idea. I don’t see how it would be possible. I don’t know who issued the threat, nor whether or not he or she was a fan, but I would not suggest that he or she wasn’t sectarian: quite the opposite.

    I will retract nothing, your constant repitition of how NI fans were all peace loving hippies accidentally threatening people with death, won’t make them true either.

    I have never made any such statement along those lines, therefore I could not have constantly repeated it.

    You should, indeed, retract your accusation that I am a liar: for I have told no lies, and you cannot cite anywhere that I have.

  • Beano, you should have read the background info of those who have won the award before making the above statement!

    Janeymac, here’s a bit of “background” about the previous winners of the award (before NI) and the organisation that has won it this year. Please take the time to read it through.

    The winner in 2005 Pena Multicolor:

    “In February 2000, a 25 years old woman is killed by a mentally troubled boy of Moroccan origin on the marketsquare of El Ejido, a small city of 69000 inhabitants of which many migrant workers in Andalusia. As a reprisal, houses of Maghrebians are burnt and violent racist riots put the city at fire and blood. The return to calm will be done thanks to football. An immigrant from Argentina, dentist Jorge Valvidia, decides to form a peña (group of supporters) to bring together supporters of all races and colors. The project ‘Peña Multicolor’ will support the integration of tens of families from South-America, Maghreb, Cuba, eastern countries and Africa. All these people meet before and after the game in the Santo Domingo stade where they discuss, laugh, sing and drink the glass of sporting friendship. Today, the organisation counts 600 members who face with good mood the mockeries of the supporters of the opposite team. There haven’t been any incidents so far. The club El Ejido, who plays in second division in Spain, grants to the members of this sympathetic group of supporters easy terms for subscriptions. The president even offered them drums and trumpets. “

    And some info about this years winner, The Genoa Club for Children:

    The jury of the Brussels International Supporters Award, composed by de representatives of the UEFA, de City of Brussels, the Brussels Capital Region, the European Sports Magazines (ESM) and the agency Dialogic | Winwave, has awarded the price for 2007 to Genoa Club for Children. This Italian grouping is the succeeder of the first two laureates: Peña Multicolor (Spain) and Amalgation of Northern Ireland Supporters Club (Northern-Ireland), and also the German supporters, who were awarded for their exemplary behaviour throughout the whole period of the recent World Cup.

    The Brussels International Supporters Award was created in 2005 by the City of Brussels and the agency Dialogic, in honour of the 20th anniversary of the Heysel tragedy. This annual prize was launched with the aim of rewarding and focusing on European supporters who, through their behaviour, their attitude or their initiatives have been symbols of the values of festivity and respect during football matches.

    The choice of Genoa Club for Children lies entirely in the line of such policy. This association was officially created in November 2006 on the initiative of Mario Marco Barnieri, who was President of another association that had, for 19 years, brought together youngsters from the centre of historic Genoa with the aim of supporting recreational, cultural and sporting activities.

    The originality of Genoa for Children is that it has established a real school of supporters for some 450 girls and boys from various origins and social backgrounds. This group finds its raison to exist in the different events that have recently shaken the world of football.

    In the founding text of the school, one can find the following grand principles: Football has been subjected to an erosion of its fundamental values, losing its sporting dimension and the festive atmosphere that surrounded it. However, football plays a strong social role in the life of a community and also cultivates solidarity. Football must retrieve its educative role. That is why, after years of work with children and adolescents, the demand arose for a new project aimed at developing, especially among youngsters, the true values of a « moment of football ». In fact, Genoa for Children wants to restore the solidarity, the joy of being together, the loyalty and friendship as well as other values that are gradually disappearing from our social system and from the world of football.

    OK, Janeymac both projects look pretty worthy to me, what’s your problem with them, simply that they’ve won the same award as the GAWA?

  • Billy

    nmc

    Thanks for your efforts but I just find Willowfield QC laughable.

    Democratic

    “you must agree however that the award is very much a positive step and something that the NI support have every right to be proud of”

    I agree with that totally and, I have accepted on many occasions, the efforts that have been made in recent years to eradicate sectarianism.

    I am simply not prepared to tolerate NI ‘fans’ who come on here and tell LIES i.e.

    That the “GAWA” have won an official award for being “the best fans in Europe” – this is SIMPLY NOT TRUE – therefore A LIE!

    One only has to look at the NI “fans” being thrown off the airplane in Spain to realise that the “GAWA” aren’t the angels that sone people here would have you believe.

    I also dispute the claims that there are no longer any displays of bigotry and sectarianism at Windsor. I accept that things are a lot better than they were but we still have the loud chants of “No Surrender” during GSTQ – from a large section of the crowd.

    Ni Support has certainly improved but it is still very much a work in progress as far as I’m concerned.

  • Billy

    Dr Who

    “In the meantime shut the fut up”

    I wasn’t aware that you had been made a moderator on this site – when did that happen?

    You really don’t like uppity taigs who come on here and undermine your little fantasy world where NI support has always been open to anyone with no anti-Catholicism. We must all have imagined the scenes at Windsor over decades with “loyalist” terrorist banners and chants, vile anti-Catholic chants and NI “fans” booing their OWN players purely based on their religion.

    Well, unless Mick or one of the genuine moderators cares to ban me, I’ll continue to come on and post my opinions.

    If you don’t like it, that’s just too bad.

  • janeymac

    Oneill

    “OK, Janeymac both projects look pretty worthy to me, what’s your problem with them, simply that they’ve won the same award as the GAWA?”

    I was responding to Beano’s comment where he said:
    “Now that nmc has kindly posted the criteria, it’s clear that there is no implication that the recipients of the award had to be particularly bad to start with, just that they have to be particularly good to receive the award. It doesn’t say “improvement in” or “progress in”.

    If you read the background info, it seems to me anyway that all recipients of this award have had some history of violence, racist/sectarian behaviour and it is highly unlikely San Marino or Switzerland, despite having no history of any of the above and would be regarded as good fans, will ever receive this award.

    And for the record, I do think it was a great achievement and the GAWA are to be congratulated!

  • WindsorRocker

    Billy,

    “NI “fans” booing their OWN players purely based on their religion.”

    Ironically, actual religion had nothing to do with it Billy. It was the warped view of a minority that one cannot support or play for Celtic and also contribute to the Northern Ireland team.

    Much the same warped mentality that led those minority of Republic fans on http://www.ok2boo.com (I think that’s the name) to say that those booed at Landsdowne played their club football with “our rivals” thereby shunning any Rangers fan brought up in the 26 counties…..

    If it was a warped mentality that considered every Catholic fair game for booing at Windsor then for about half the time the NI team have the ball the warped ones would have been booing……

    Anyway, enough of the begrudgery, I’m off to watch an Irish team on telly that can still just about qualify for EURO 2008. Why don’t you stop posting negatively here and join in the craic. Time for a bit of the luck o’ the Irish, methinks.

  • willowfield

    Billy Liar has the temerity to call other people liars when the basis for many of his posts is lies.

    Shame on him.

  • austin

    Thanks for that quality post, Willowfield.

  • Doctor Who

    Billy Liar, nmc, Billy the Banker etc.

    I´ve just returned to mainland Spain after a great six days in Gran Canaria. The crack was great, if you have ever been you will know that Playa Del Ingles has a big Irish Centre. Alot of the establishments there placed fresh Irish tricolours on their bars and you know what, no one cared or batted an eyelid.

    In actual fact I spied a chap in a ROI top drop money on the ground and duly informed him. Of course I log on here and find you muppets spouting your usual bollix. Special mention must go to nmc who if he reads his “brussells” post again, just might realise he is a prat.

    World Cup Draw tomorrow, probaly best NI and ROI are to be kept apart, while there is still plenty of tiny twisted sectarian morons like you guys.

  • austin

    ‘In actual fact I spied a chap in a ROI top drop money on the ground and duly informed him.’

    Truly a charitable and humble act unprecedented in the history of mankind, Dr-

    If such a magnificent gesture doesn’t result in a Nobel Peace Award, then really there’s no justice in this bad old world.

  • kensei

    “World Cup Draw tomorrow, probaly best NI and ROI are to be kept apart, while there is still plenty of tiny twisted sectarian morons like you guys.”

    Yeah… except, er, there’s supposedly this Celtic Cup thing.