Move on, nothing to see here…

ANY potential political crisis that commentators thought might occur in the wake of the Quinn murder in Cullyhanna has been largely imagined – and now it has been neutralised by the DUP’s Peter Robinson. All that ran before can be seen as posturing to keep the DUP rank-and-file happy. Robinson said: “I do not believe that there was, on the basis of information that I have, a decision taken at some central command. But it is important to establish whether the IRA as an organisation even locally was involved. We want to wait until the proper investigation is carried out by the gardai and supported by the PSNI. It (the murder) is an important issue and it cannot be swept to the side.” Politically, it already has.

  • Bemused

    Ah yes – ‘keeping the DUP rank-and-file happy’. What an unnerving and alrming phrase usually deployed to describe all sorts of offensive, sectarian, racist tripe – such as this morning’s ‘you-couldn’t-make-it-up-if-this-was-a-civilised-country-these-scum-would-all-be-in-jail’ news that various DUP untermenschen are to mount a protest ‘against’ Anna Lo which ‘funnily enough’ will take a conspicuous detour to march up and down Donegall Pass (I wonder why…) – see http://www.irishnews.com.

  • joeCanuck

    You need to remove that period at the end of Irishnews.com, Bemused. You should also tell people that a subscription is required.

  • Bemused

    Sorry Joe – that ‘period’ was an error but if you go to http://www.irishnews.com and click on the ‘front page’ icon you can get the story in full in pdf format.

  • RG Cuan

    The people involved may have been ex-active Republicans. It’s clear there was no official involvement from any Republican organisation. This terrible incident should not hinder government.

    Agree with the comment about DUP rank and file. The picture it creates it not of the most open-minded or tolerant citizens.

  • joeCanuck

    I never knew about that front page icon, Bemused. Thanks so much for the tip.

  • fair_deal

    BG

    “Politically, it already has.”

    What parts of “it is important to establish whether the IRA as an organisation even locally was involved.”” It (the murder) is an important issue and it cannot be swept to the side.”did you not understand?

    This comment makes clear that despite the fun some have had with the ‘corporately involved’ comment PR’s statement makes it clear that it applies at a local level not simple centrally.

    RG Cuan

    “It’s clear there was no official involvement from any Republican organisation.”

    As there is an ongoing investigation nothing is clear.

  • circles

    Will you be at the March down Donegall Pass, next month, Fair Deal?

  • joeCanuck

    Some things are very strange.
    About a month ago, Lonely Planet declared that Ireland was the most friendly country in the world to visit.
    Yet visible minorities in N.I. don’t seem to be very welcome at all, particularly by one small (hopefully)segment of the population.
    I wonder does the same hold in the Republic.
    This sort of hatred won’t disappear unless decent people stand up publicly against it.

  • Dewi

    Quote:

    “Indeed, many of the bandsmen, on their way home, may enjoy a Chinese meal”

    Wonderful.

    On the Quinn case I read no Sinn Fein attendance at the funeral. That does seem strange, although the local tensions might be a reason for that. Strange that Garda / PSNI don’t seem to have taken anyone in – surley the two injured parties at the funeral would have a good idea who the killers were. Or is still just too dangerous to testify ?

  • Turgon

    fair_deal,

    I can see and understand what Robinson is saying but if the IRA locally were involved in the killing: will the DUP feel that there are significant repercussions?

    I am not one of those with a particular interest in all the different IRA books, tactics etc. but I always understood that they had a fairly localised command structure and as such a given murder was planned and carried out at local level; and each one was not necessarily discussed at some central meeting. As such is this a weasel way for the DUP to say that there was not some central meeting of the army council and so the murder does not have wider political repercussions?

    Surely any form of IRA murder requires a response since there is still an army council which is still in Republican eyes in charge of SF and indeed is the rightful government of Ireland. That combined with the appearance that the SF strategy seems to be condemnation of the murder but not whole hearted practical support for the police investigation means that there are still grave political ramifications from this event.

    Finally do you recognise that there may well be considerable political pressure on the police on both sides of the border not to make any statement which could upset the political institutions? As such is the DUP going to accept completely whatever the police forces say?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    FD

    Robinson says it is “important”, but does not state why, nor what would follow.

    With all due respect, if you think there will be serious repercussions for SF over this murder, even if there was local involvement by IRA members, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Time will tell, but I can’t see SF being chucked out of government over this, nor the government falling apart. Anything else doesn’t even matter.

    The Shinners condemned the murder and said all the right things about the police investigation. And as long as the killing wasn’t sanctioned centrally, that’s all the DUP boxes ticked.

  • parci

    Robinson seems to have rescued himself also; if you recall it was only last weekend he found himself out on a limb vis-a-vis the Ritchie affair.

  • Gonzo,

    This is exactly what I was talking about during my H&M piece. The DUP/Sinn Fein axis will not allow “trivialities” such as murder to unrail their gravy train. Robinson’s rank hypocrisy is evident if you refer back to DUP attacks on the UUP when Charles Bennett was shot to death back in July 1999 by the IRA. “Central command” is the opt-out clause required by the DUP and the Provo’s grant them it.

  • fair_deal

    circles

    “Will you be at the March down Donegall Pass, next month, Fair Deal?”

    Why would I?

    BG

    “Robinson says it is “important”, but does not state why, nor what would follow.”

    It’s important because someone is dead possibly at the hands of the PIRA. Also it was stated earlier in the week why it is important

    “if you think there will be serious repercussions for SF over this murder, even if there was local involvement by IRA members, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.”

    No I live in a place called Belfast. Where the DUP leadership sought immediate meetings with the police and will seek further.

    http://www.dup.org.uk/articles.asp?Article_ID=2858

    Where the First Minister directly contacted the Prime Minister for assurances on action if PIRA involvement is shown.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7056706.stm

    Then sought and got the assurances in public as well.

    http://www.dup.org.uk/articles.asp?Article_ID=2864

    “Time will tell, but I can’t see SF being chucked out of government over this, nor the government falling apart.”

    We will indeed see but it puts PIRA disbandment back square and centre. There will be a political price.

    “that’s all the DUP boxes ticked.”

    No it isn’t. The statement show it isn’t all boxes ticked as the DUP want answers about local involvement.

  • joeCanuck

    Gonzo,

    Sorry for participating in drawing things off-topic earlier.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Bemused, thanks for that link. Get a load of this, everyone :

    ““Indeed, many of the bandsmen may on their way home enjoy a Chinese meal.””

    You couldn’t make that shit up.

    That said, the police have questions to answer. Should they be giving out people’s mail addresses ?

  • DC

    “No it isn’t. The statement show it isn’t all boxes ticked as the DUP want answers about local involvement.”

    A short few years ago the DUP would have wanted consequences FD, you see when you construct your opposition to government against having terrorists in government to turn around and answer for them, as Robinson has done, it just beomes politically gross to those of us who can see DUP hypocrisy.

    If the DUP didn’t build their holy land on such a premise but instead on a progressive understanding of the duality of terrorism and the need to work together to remove all of it in a step-by-step approach, then they may well have got off with such a ‘central’ command comment.

    But the DUP often saw the world as black and white and in this instance they seem very keen now to go down the opt-out route of murky grey, in order not to conflict with their previous political prescriptions.

  • DC

    ““Indeed, many of the bandsmen may on their way home enjoy a Chinese meal.””

    Hope they spit in it.

  • spiritof07

    if you check out the website of the Parades Commission it looks like the anti Ann Lo parade will also take in not one, but two, catholic churches for good measure. I suppose when you are on your feet you might as well offend as many minorities as you can.

  • Dewi

    Joseph – beat u on post 9 – na na na na na.

    Priotity in Quinn case is prompt Police action I suggest.

  • DC

    Oh thanks for the link FD, Jeffrey Donaldson states:

    “Clearly the police must be given time to conduct their investigations and we will await their definitive assessment”

    It’s a wonder why the McCann’s aren’t contacting Peter Robinson, he seems to be a great detective by being able to wrap-up a complex crime in the matter of a week.

    Can he give answers to Stomontgate by getting the pen out and writing to those in the ‘apparent’ know.

    Come here and get your eye wiped.

  • fair_deal

    DC

    “A short few years ago the DUP would have wanted consequences FD”

    Hence going to the Prime Minister about consequences.

    Turgon

    “will the DUP feel that there are significant repercussions?”

    In the bbc link above a DUP spokesperson said it could “collapse the political institutions”. That would seen pretty significant to me. The DUP has sought and got a promise of sanctions solely against SF if PIRA involvement is concluded.

    “Surely any form of IRA murder requires a response”

    IMO Yes

  • Belfast Gonzo

    FD

    Yes, I’m well aware that the DUP have been seeking assurances left, right and centre. And it looks like they got them, if Robinson is to be believed. The DUP seems to be drawing a clear line between what PIRA is responsible for and what individual members (or former members) are responsible for – although you seem to be sticking to the pre-devolution position of not drawing that distinction. Fair play, you stuck to your principles where Robinson didn’t.

    Maybe PIRA disbandment will be in the spotlight again. Maybe. Even if so, as I said, I doubt if there will be any political consequences.

    Good luck to yous if you can get anything out of it, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up too high.

  • joeCanuck

    The times they have a chang-ed.

  • fair_deal

    BG

    IMO the issue is in a no man’s land until a definitive statement from either police force or the IMC. Remember it wasn’t until Orde made his statement about the Northern Bank that things went into political overdrive.

    While some will consider waiting for such a statement as a weakness/burying their head/hoping it will go away if the DUP had resigned/threatened to quit immediately after the murder on the original claims around it they’d have been wide open to the charge they were never serious about power-sharing.

  • Sean

    Spitritof07
    get your pretenses right they arent out to intimidate and offend minorities they are out to spread the benevolence of the orange culture to the heathens. drunken yobs and heaps of trash included

  • parci

    lol sean humourous and erudite.

  • Fair Deal,

    No one doubts the DUP’s intent to share power with terrorists.

  • Frustrated Democrat

    Can anyone define :-

    a) what a repbublican is

    b) what an IRA member is

    then tell us based on the above:-

    1) if they are in the DUP what constitutes a reason to cease sharing power with SF.

    2)if they are in SF in what circumstances they will or won’t accept responsibility for the murder of Mr Quinn

  • DC

    2)if they are in SF in what circumstances they will or won’t accept responsibility for the murder of Mr Quinn

    Failure to stand down the Army Council is proof that terrorists have not been reconstructed in that local and central are in someway still operating if at distinct levels.

    At some point the central will find out about the local, which seems to have erred from the central; but the DUP seems only keen to know about whether it was the central giving SF a chance to explain in grey terms.

    And SF, with the haven’t gone away you know speech, leaves us still with the inkling that SF knows what SF ought to know re the IRA’s operations.

  • parci

    Mr.Vance the trouble with your analysis, and suggestion of collective punishment for SF is it doesn’t work; much like it fails in Israel.

    The way to isolate extremists on both sides is to strengthen the centre.

    The peoples of norn iron have rejected your “iron fist” approach to every world or domestic problem. Thank heavens!

    Hitler tried to rule with the rod of iron; the approach leads to meglomania and ultimate insanity.

  • parci

    democracy dave, I know bloody nuisance isn’t it 🙂

  • The Dubliner

    “As such is this a weasel way for the DUP to say that there was not some central meeting of the army council and so the murder does not have wider political repercussions?” – Turgon

    Yup, and if you apply the same rationale, it’s also a good way of denying that PIRA were “corporately involved” in killing the vast bulk of the people that they killed over last 38 years where there is no statement claiming responsibility and no minutes of such “corporate” meetings to prove that they were involved.

    I, however, will not allow my judgement in this matter to be influenced by the fact that the Chief of Staff of PSF/PIRA’s Army Council, Thomas ‘Slab’ Murphy, controls criminal activity in this area, earning tens of millions in illegal revenue annually from it, or that the murder was carried out after an IRA order to vacate the area was issued to, and ignored by, the now deceased man, or that the murder has all the grotesque hallmarks of a PIRA action.

    Of course, Jeffrey Donaldson has changed the tempo of his tune from this debate in 2004: “I recently visited the Irish Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Michael McDowell, in Dublin, who gave an assurance that, through the Criminal Assets Bureau, the Irish authorities are going to look at Thomas ”Slab” Murphy in detail to see what steps can be taken south of the border to address that particular problem. Will the Minister assure us that the Organised Crime Task Force and the Assets Recovery Agency will focus on him in conjunction with their colleagues in Customs and Excise? I believe that he and his operations are funding the IRA and Sinn Fein’s political activities to the tune of up to £20 million a year.”

    The Irish Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, did his token part by sharing intelligence with the British government that led to the CAB seizing PSF/PIRA’s property portfolio in Manchester, valued at £30 million. Mr Michael McDowell could have done a lot more in regard to the hidden assets of PSF/PIRA, ammouting to hundreds of millions, but was simply firing a shot across the bows of PSF/PIRA – firing off another shot on RTE during the party leaders’ debate with Gerry Adams when he told him he knew all about the £25 million that PSF/PIRA earned from its export business selling terrorist expertise on the international market, specifically to FARC.

    It’s a shame that Jeffrey Donaldson was just spouting empty rethoric for his token part in the fight against organised crime – which he recognises above is something that PSF are inextricably linked to. How then, does he square his support for PSF in the Executive with PSF’s support for an organised crime cartel that, in one of his rackets alone (fuel smuggling), costs the UK taxpayer hundreds of millions in lost revenue?

  • Outsider

    It’s a shame that Jeffrey Donaldson was just spouting empty rethoric for his token part in the fight against organised crime – which he recognises above is something that PSF are inextricably linked to. How then, does he square his support for PSF in the Executive with PSF’s support for an organised crime cartel that, in one of his rackets alone (fuel smuggling), costs the UK taxpayer hundreds of millions in lost revenue?

    Dubliner

    Quite simply he can spin it that because of him and the DUP, Sinn Fein/Ira have decommissioned and have been forced to accept the crowns forces.

    He will also make soundbites to the fact that Sinn Fein are always being scruitenised to ensure they are towing the line and he will claim that there is still some weeding to do but this can only be done with Sinn Fein in the executive.

    Effective presentation and spin will ensure Donaldson is a comfortable position with the Unionist elecorate.

  • harry

    i would suggest that being a Republican, is something entirely different than being IRA.

    republicans believe that Britain should have no involvement in Ireland (ok, they can have an embassy)

    The IRA on other hand, believe that it acceptable that the British control 6 counties of this island. The IRA go as far as giving the British a helping hand in running the place,

  • Outsider

    republicans believe that Britain should have no involvement in Ireland (ok, they can have an embassy)

    Harry

    I’m a Unionist and I believe in that I also believe that Ireland should have no involvement in Northern Ireland (Ok they can have an embassy)

  • Cadiz

    “The people involved may have been ex-active Republicans. It’s clear there was no official involvement from any Republican organisation. This terrible incident should not hinder government.

    Agree with the comment about DUP rank and file. The picture it creates it not of the most open-minded or tolerant citizens.”

    By the same token, just about any of the controversial killings by the FRU or whatever spook agency one cares to name, could be written off as lethal hobbyism.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    FD

    Your position is so fair, one almost wonders why Mr Robinson pre-empted the statement from the police or IMC…

  • Outsider

    “The people involved may have been ex-active Republicans. It’s clear there was no official involvement from any Republican organisation. This terrible incident should not hinder government.

    Cadiz

    Seems to me by that conclusion the ira could have anybody murdered as long as they are careful to ensure outsiders dont believe it was sanctioned from the top.

    The reality is that because of devolution we are never going to know the truth, the entire episode stinks of a choregraphed cover up with DUP one of the main protagonists within it.

  • fair_deal

    BG

    “Your position is so fair”

    LOL. It must have been all that mediation and negotiation training. Life was much more fun when I was an angry young man.

  • harry

    outsider,

    you are unionist, good for you. you dont want and involvment of the 26 counties in the 6 counties.

    well can we at least agree that there should be no involvement of england, scotland and wales

  • DC

    The Dubliner has summed up the situation with his nice post which provides a look into the past DUP and indeed Jeffrey Donaldson.

    No-one within these quarters is wishing to give up on the progress made, but the progress made so far was off the back of those who had to take the criticism from the DUP for carrying through necessary concessions amid the same sort of accusations over IRA/SF sellout into government.

    The break from DUP rhetoric has happened so soon and without the necessary generational type smoothing that leaves the party’s arguments unconvincing given the speedy retreat away from old ground on which most of the ‘never, never, never’ rable rousing stuff was built to succeed, suceed it has thus far but no further.

    If anything David Vance has his own views in terms of sitting down with terrorists, but one thing worth agreeing with David is that, those that bought into the DUP for many a principled stance around SF should quickly realise that they have been DUPed.

    Ultimately, the DUP shouldn’t hold onto those voters as it is they who have been sold a pig in a poke and should see to it themselves that this is factored in at the next election.

  • harry

    DC
    where do you think those votes will go at the next election, if they have been DUPed by the DUP?

  • Outsider

    DC
    where do you think those votes will go at the next election, if they have been DUPed by the DUP?

    People simply wont vote, the DUP will loose some seats here and there, how many is the big question.

  • DC

    Dunno, don’t care; but what’s the point in voting for a party that’s wiped your face in the shit.

    It is best to remember that if it wasn’t for other couragous leaders, SF’s Adams included, we’d still be stuck in a big rut had the DUP got their way back in 97. Instead they huffed out of the Talks, to re-enter spouting ‘brave new world’ in fairly similar circumstances 10 years later.

    So the hardcore 97 crew can perhaps go round and drink tea and dunk biscuits together in Jim Allister’s house and complain together of the DUP selling out to itself. The biggest sin of them all surely as the DUP accused everyone and everything that moved in that direction since 97 as being downright treacherous to our wee country.

    Just a game for power in the end.

    In politics that is understandable but when the Reverend Ian mixed it up with religious-style delivery we had it on Christ’s word that he would stay true to his side of the deal that Sinn Fein is the IRA i.e. Sinn Fein IRA.

    But still..

  • joeCanuck

    I really enjoy reading your reasoned posts, Turgon, on many subjects.
    Most of the time I don’t agree with you but it’s refreshing to hear someone presenting their case without going into a rant, especially about “themmuns”

  • Interested Observer

    As I see it the DUP position goes something like this –Only when the Chief Constable, the Garda, Gordon Brown, Bertie Ahern and George Bush hold a joint press conference and announce to the world that Martin McGuinnes was in the barn when the murder took place will the DUP seek to exclude their partners in SF from the Executive

    Of course the murder was not sanctioned centrally, very few IRA murders were. The real questions needing answered are;
    In DUP eyes what status does an inactive IRA terrorist but active IRA criminal have?
    Is the IRA criminal empire run from South Armagh stood down?
    Who controls S Armagh, Slab Murphy and the boys or the state?

    This murder was all about stamping control on an area -and those doing the stamping are the mates of SF.

    Next we will have the DUP telling us terrorist IRA and criminal IRA are two different organisations.

    The saddest fact in the whole affair is that the Quinn family become just another statistic in a political game where murder is used or excused in order to get/retain the levers of power.

  • Turgon

    I agree entirely that fair_deal’s position seems very reasonable. I just suspect that many of the leadership of his party are less honest than him and have already determined that they will sweep this under the carpet. I am also very suspicious that the police on both sides of the border will come under massive pressure to avoid implicating the IRA in a way which could cause political problems.

    DC,
    “So the hardcore 97 crew can perhaps go round and drink tea and dunk biscuits together in Jim Allister’s house and complain together of the DUP selling out to itself.”

    Well I have not been invited round to Mr. Allister’s house, not yet anyhow. I suspect I am not important enough and after all he does not know who I am.

    I think the suggestion that some people will not vote is fair. How many, I am not sure. Some will still pick the most right wing unionist candidate and vote for him/her. Others will not vote at all.

    There must be quite a number in the DUP who are not entirely happy about the current agreement and the events surrounding this murder may well cause further anxiety. The suspending of their conference has still not been fully explained.

    Will there be a new party, who knows? There are very major obstacles in its path, many of the potential leaders at the moment can be easily portrayed as malcontents. A major defection by a big name would help enormously. As it is; it is still possible that a new party could get off the ground. If Allister is looking for folk to drink tea and dunk biscuits with I guess I would be interested. I take my tea very strong with only a little milk and no sugar.

  • Hogan

    There is more chance of Paisley being nominated as the next pope than him stepping down out of OFM over this one.

    Sad as it may seem people in this sorry state chose to reward terrorists with government. That is a reality which we all have to deal with. Now when those who are of a natural killing disposition do what they do best why are we surprised?

    Why is nobody pointing out the double-speak of the DUPpers here?

    Why on the one hand do we have the DUP trying to convince any of their supporters who’ll listen that they are prepared to pull down the govt? and on the other hand fair-deal and his ilk are trying to convince us that the DUP have sought (and obtained!) an assurance that just the shinners will be punished?

    Sorry guys but you can’t have it both ways? either the DUPs will do the punishing (i.e. deny Gerry Kelly the ministerial motor by walking away) or Gordo will kick their ass out of stormont. Try and at least agree a line before you feed it to the great un-washed!

    (BTW i’ll have £10k on neither of those two coming to pass.)

    But we shouldn’t be too critical, even if P’ONeill whacked this guy himself the Duppers supporters wouldn’t want Stormont to fall. We’re all having great craic pretending that everything is rosy in the garden and we wouldn’t want the threat of a rates rise in East Belfast hanging over our heads again would we?

  • Outsider

    There is more chance of Paisley being nominated as the next pope than him stepping down out of OFM over this one.

    Hogan

    Agreed but if you remember the splutters of him during the Assembley election when Gilderniew indicated she would not tell the police of arms dumps Paisley indicated that if he was first minister he would have resigned. More noise from the wee man I think.

  • misterobserver

    Is the wee Creggan fella still trying to woo val with the “its only a few wee troublemakers responsible for this” crap.
    Provo gangsters army -council should not be allowed to govern us. Shame on Paisley et al.

  • Cadiz

    I can’t wait for Catriona Ruane to upstage Portadown LOL. A robustly confrontational gay parade careering off the walls & roof will usually make Orangeists look tame. The future is the PSNI politely following somebody’s bare ass in a diversity parade.

    (10-16) 21:58 PDT San Francisco — It was a typical Sunday Mass until two men in heavy makeup and nuns’ habits received Holy Communion from San Francisco’s top Catholic official.

    On Oct. 7, Archbishop George Niederauer delivered the Eucharist to members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence – an activist group whose motto is “go forth and sin some more” – prompting cries of outrage from conservatives across the country and Catholics in San Francisco.

  • The Dubliner

    “Sad as it may seem people in this sorry state chose to reward terrorists with government. That is a reality which we all have to deal with. Now when those who are of a natural killing disposition do what they do best why are we surprised?” – Hogan

    Well, not with government – with a puppet administration with limited powers. Think of it as a community hall with snooker tables and such to keep the fascist blackguards and bigots off the streets. I think you’re spot-on: folks could have saved themselves all this shit if they looked up the word “sociopath” in the local library’s edition of “Psychology for Dummies” before voting.

    As it is, the powers-that-be (and that isn’t the shower of shites at the Assembly) have engaged in a systematic campaign of lowering the public’s moral standards to accommodate the low moral standards of PSF, to accommodate the dynamic of the peace process: injecting organised murder gangs into the operation of the state. Now that may not be a bad thing for those of us who favour a united Ireland solution to the internal solution that partitionists such as PSF favour, for when these degenerates – who know only how to destroy – are done wrecking what is left of northern society, they may look again at the only workable solution to the problem of the botched little statelet located at the top left corner of Ireland.

    “Why is nobody pointing out the double-speak of the DUPpers here?” – Hogan

    I think I did. However, I wouldn’t blame Jeffery Donaldson for his attempt to separate criminals from PIRA’s organised crime cartel. That was done previously by the former NI security minister, Shaun Woodward: “There is clearly a distinction to be made between the activity of individuals and the intention of organisations.” Likewise, the last report from the Independent Monitoring Commission (IMC) took note of the minister pre-empting of its report and reported accordingly: “We have no reason to believe that there has been any organisational involvement [by PIRA’s Army Council] in or planning of robbery or other such organised crime over this period.” It didn’t say there wasn’t any PIRA crime (because there was); just that, to borrow Jeffery’s turn of phrase, that there is no evidence that PIRA were “corporately involved” – or that the crimes weren’t “sanctioned” to use the IMC’s own terminology. Jeffery’s only sin was to introduce new language.

    Of course, another former NI security minister, Ian Pearson, wasn’t so helpful to PSF/PIRA in his terminology when he said that PIRA is “the most sophisticated organised crime grouping to be found, possibly anywhere in the world.” Indeed, it is – and also one of the wealthiest. But, of course, we are to believe that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, both former members of the fabulously rich crime cartel known as PSF/PIRA’s Army Council, simply told the new members of the council to give its vast profits and accumulated assets and investments totalling hundreds of millions to the Sister of Mercy now that they have new careers. They saints like that, you see. And so, the Army Council did as instructed and gave all its money away – even the £26 million taken in a Robin Hood like manner from the Northern Bank. Now, alas, the Army council has no assets to manage on behalf of the godfathers and so wiles away the hours at its meets reading interesting articles from Readers’ Digest and nibbling of chocolate digestives. Now, let’s see: £20-30 million a year since the ceasefire 13 years ago adds up to £260-£390 million tax free. Lucky Sisters of Mercy.

    Anyway, Bertie Ahern has already decided that PIRA weren’t responsible for the murder; and that even if they were, that the Shinners can stay in the Executive Assembly because they condemned the murder. That’s okay then.

  • The Dubliner

    “…the botched little statelet located at the top left corner of Ireland.”

    Err, my sincere apology to the people of Donegal. And on that note, I’m going to leave this commenting on NI politics lark to those who are resident there. One year of trying to understand the place has left me more confused than when I started. 😉

  • Hogan

    Dubliner

    Just clarifying that my ref. to double-speak wasn’t the bizzare ‘corporate murder’ excuse.

    It was actually why the need for two solutions? if they had secured all these great gifts of one-party sanctions from the great gordo on high, why all the talk about walking away from govt. themselves?

    Which i note no DUP supporters on here have been able to elaborate on yet???

  • fair_deal

    Hogan

    “It was actually why the need for two solutions? if they had secured all these great gifts of one-party sanctions from the great gordo on high, why all the talk about walking away from govt. themselves?”

    The talk of collapsing the institutions was before Brown’s comments at PM’s Questions. Thus removing the need for a complete collapse as only one party will be sanctioned.

  • belfastpaul

    The DUP have never had a moral position to defend so it will come as no surprise if they do not bring the Assenbly down.

    The more I think about the mini budget and the lack of opposition it appears that we are living in never never land as opposed to the old Paisley never never never world.

  • Diluted Orange

    IMO Peter Robinson’s statement on this killing probably amounts to being one of the most two-faced speeches given by a Northern Irish politician in many a year. Maybe he just has a mental block, in general, when it comes to recognising terrorist activity in County Monaghan. I’m pretty sure the last time he visited it was in his Ulster Resistance beret and he ended up being put in a cell for the night after stoking up the bravado of his loyalist henchmen.

    Here we have the Deputy leader of the DUP trying to cover up any IRA involvement in a killing that seems to bear all the hallmarks of that organisation. Yet for the previous 5-10 years he and his party would strenuously try to extrapolate any connection to any crime committed within Northern Ireland’s Nationalist community and beyond to prove unequivocally that the IRA were involved. All this so they could form excuse after excuse as to why they wouldn’t step into government with SF and at the same time take the opportunity to have an all too easy swipe at the Ulster Unionist Party for negotiating with terrorists and gain political capital from taking the moral high ground.

    My, my how times have changed. It seems that now since the DUP are in power they’ll sacrifice every principle they’ve ever had so they keep their ministerial positions and bumper salaries. It seems that people can continue to act like thugs on both sides of the divide here, just so long as they do it under the banner of a paramilitary group. Drugs, racketeering, murder … the list goes on and they get away with it because the powers that be don’t want to upset the applecart, or more appropriately the gravy train that funds their despicable existence.

    How did we ever get into a position to get governed by this shower of cretins? Why vote for any of them? Are the majority of the electorate in NI really too stupid to see the continued hypocrisy of SF and the DUP?

  • Danny D

    Funny how the BNP-Loyalist thread has disappeared. I wonder did the blog master get fidgety about the message hes sending out about a particular section of the community. Ha ha. Too late – the world already knows.

  • Different Drummer

    Other Deaths Some Will Be ‘Moving On From’

    It is often said on these direct pages ‘do keep up!’ well there are times and contexts that simply is not possible.

    So Hogan I don’t expect you to know that there has been three deaths as a result of recent DUP/Police concern over the amount of gay related activity here.

    One was a suicide following a moral panic fed by DUP public statements about gay activity in the Lisburn area. The second was this year in connection with the same police action in Lisburn as was the third. One of the men was 16 years old. I learned of these two last deaths only recently – one week before Mr Quinn was brutally murdered. I feel just as angry about his death as I do about the Lisburn deaths.

    One was as a consequence of DUP bigotry the other was caused by PIRA political mafia. Both were/are the result of one group saying ‘we are/have the law’. And if we don’t accept the new SF/IRA/DUP front as ‘the law’ then what?

    There has been a lot of comment here on what are those who voted/supported the DUP going to do now.

    I’d say the same is happening to those who voted SF following the UDA funding debacle. At least people are thinking the present dispensation may not be a good idea. I still believe that the broad mass of people here have their ethics intact and can function in new radical ways.

    The Ethical Future of NI Politics

    I think there will be a radical unity casued by the forced withdrwal of UK forces from Iraq. The political consequences of which will be much more far reaching than any plans drawn up by Jim Alister – or any other prospective saviour of never never land.