“to intrigue visitors and put another slant on our previously beleaguered history”

There’s a report here on a short discussion in the Assembly Commission in favour of a more public display of a certain painting, detail on the left. Unfortunately someone, and we don’t seem to be told who, has requested that it go out on loan [we aren’t told where either – Ed]. Some caution may be required in any display, however, as the BBC’s Mark Devenport points out.. the painting has a history of causing some offence in certain quarters..

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  • It’s a pity that those who’re worried about the offensiveness or not of this painting didn’t go along to a recent exhibition at the Baby Grand. Hosted by the Belfast Media Group, the exhibition, some birds sing, some wounds heal, by acclaimed artist Conrad Atkinson, had a number of works inspired by the above painting. Another example of the Belfast Media Group letting in the light when other less enlightened players have been content to allow things stay in the dark….

  • Pete Baker

    OIli

    I suspect you might be confusing my references to the history of the painting with my personal opinion of it. So it goes.

    But your devotion to BMG does you proud. ;o)

  • páid

    as was almost sang in the jungle…….

    “Pope’s Floating Over…..

    Oh Yes, The Pope’s Floating Over”

  • I have no interest in your personal opinion of the painting.

  • Pete Baker

    I’m sure you’re not, OIli, but no-one actually seems to be “worried about the offensiveness or not of this painting”.

  • McGrath

    I am only offended because the pope can fly and I cant.

    Ha, if the painting is genuine, it turns out King William has been celebrated by the wrong people for the wrong reasons. An exposure of history rewritten.

    Or the 1933 Assembly members were on crack?

  • páid

    McGrath,

    As an Irish Nationalist, I am under absolutely under no illusions about the result of the Battle of the Boyne.

    Whatever about the Pope, we lost.

    Massively. Not yet recovered from it, in fact.

  • Pete Baker

    “Or the 1933 Assembly members were on crack?”

    Why bother with reality, when we have the McGrath version here in front of us..

    *shakes head*

  • Pete Baker

    páid

    “Whatever about the Pope, we lost.”

    A supposed loss, when a win would have put in place an absolute monarch, shouldn’t be considered as a loss.

    In the circumstances, the win was the constitutional monarch who was enthroned.

  • Harry Flashman

    *we lost*

    Paid, I wasn’t aware that you regarded yourself as a follower of an Anglo-Scottish king who wished to impose an absolutist British based monarchy centred in London on the people of Ireland, not sure how that would have aided Irish nationalism. Still raise a glass the “King across the water” then do you?

    Interesting, I’ll have to bear that in mind when I read any of your other posts.

  • McGrath

    “Or the 1933 Assembly members were on crack?”

    Why bother with reality, when we have the McGrath version here in front of us..

    *shakes head*

    Posted by Pete Baker on Sep 25, 2007 @ 01:21 AM

    “Buying the picture, thought to be the work of William of Orange’s court artist Pieter van der Muelen, cost the old Stormont government £209 and four shillings.”

    “Art experts dispute whether the painting is the work of Pieter van der Meulen and whether the subject really is King William of Orange.”

    My “crack” reference was to call into question the judgement used to purchase the item by the old Northern Ireland government considering the very subject of the painting inst agreed upon.

    Sorry to have clouded your beautiful mind.

  • McGrath

    McGrath,

    As an Irish Nationalist, I am under absolutely under no illusions about the result of the Battle of the Boyne.

    Whatever about the Pope, we lost.

    Massively. Not yet recovered from it, in fact.

    Posted by páid on Sep 25, 2007 @ 01:19 AM

    When did the Battle of the Boyne end? It seems we are working out the fine details today.

    I think if James had won, would we have had the same as the French Revolution in its time.

  • An Céilleachaireach Rúa

    Pete,

    let’s be fair here. You are being just as partial in your post as Páid. William’s victory was a disaster for Catholic Ireland. We were left in a situation where we could not express our faith, bequeath property as we willed, bear arms, receive professional training, even own a good horse. You think this is something we should CELEBRATE? I’ve no wish for this to descend into Taig-Hun bunlaunching BTW. Can you please point out even one good thing that arose for the “Native” (used for simplicity’s sake) Irish from Williamite victory.

    PS – The Boyne was a sideshow. Aughrim was the pivotal defeat

  • Turgon

    I agree with An Ceilleachaireach Rua in that we should try to prevent this degenerating into the usual Prod vs Taig episode.

    On a purely historical note can anyone shed light on the Enniskillen part (of Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne)? My understanding is that the towns people and a few English officers managed to avoid being beseiged and a battle was eventually fought at Cromm castle on the same day as Derry was relieved? Anyone know anything more than that?

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    ‘As an Irish Nationalist, I am under absolutely under no illusions about the result of the Battle of the Boyne.

    Whatever about the Pope, we lost.’

    Who’s ‘we’ Páid?, English Royalists and Irish Catholics! You identify today with such people hundreds of years ago; Kings and Popes?
    The poor Irish peasantry were mere pawns, were they not, as they have always been!
    Had James won, who knows but we may still been an integral part of the Union today paying homage to an English Cathlolic monarch as well as the pontiff himself….shudder!
    Pity Ireland was not just Protestant and Republican. Freethinking and Independant, the United Irishmen of 1798 had it right!
    I myself, as a baptised Cathlolic and who grew up with all the rigmarole and vestges, have to admit that ‘The Glorious Revolution’ had its many, many positives for western development, bar of course the subsequent hardships and deprivations that befell Irish Catholics.

    A papal blessing on William of Orange, green plumes in their hats as they fought the royalist redcoats, etc….another ironic and contradictory aspect of Irish history!

    BTW wasn’t this painting attacked with a knife and paint by notorious Ulster Unionist John Nixon years ago!

  • An Céilleachaireach Rúa

    Turgon,

    my understanding was that the Iniskilling Dragoons were irregular cavalry drawn from the town and they played a key part as a harrying/scouting force in William’s army non?

  • Billy v Jimmy… from an Irish perspective I’m reminded of the tagline to Alien v Predator: “Whoever wins, we lose”.

    From a Republican perspective, thinking particularly of my constantly downtrodden British Republican brothers and sisters, either way was also a loss. Though I do suspect had Jimmy won the British would have taken a more French attitude to Monarchy down the line.

    A slightly interesting sidenote is that the “Glorious Revolution” represents the first and only time since 1066 that Britian was invaded and conquered by a foreign army.

  • Turgon

    An Ceilleachaireach Rua

    Yes I think that is the case but I think (but am not sure) that there was some sort of more formal battle as well as I said I think centred around Cromm Castle.

  • páid

    An Céilleachaireach Rua,

    good luck to you and your republicanism, it’s not a bad creed.

    I am a Nationalist, descendent of the poor Irish peasantry, as you put it, not at all badly.

    And ‘we’ lost the Battle of the Boyne, big time, no matter what old Innocent thought of it.

    Land, language, literature, lives.
    We lost the lot.

    Harry F,

    As regards the King across the water, well, I’d prefer him to Mr Cromwell, a fcking republican if ever there was one.