Behave Yourselves- at least ’til Sky goes?

To the many people trying to make local soccer into a profitable, enjoyable and family-friendly spectacle, tonight’s first ever live broadcast of an Irish League game on Sky Sports will be viewed as an important step forward. The game ended with a 2-2 draw between Linfield and Cliftonville.

Yet I was struck by a part of the BBC Radio Ulster Sports bulletin tonight which highlighted how Cliftonville FC were warning fans on their website that a ‘zero tolerance’ approach would be taken against any supporter bringing the club into disrepute through bad behaviour on the night.
The language used in the website message was unequivocal:”Any individual – through physical or verbal means – causing damage to the club and its reputation will be identified, removed from the ground and banned for life from Solitude.”
But surely Cliftonville- along with the other clubs in the Irish League- should be adopting the same ‘zero tolerance’ approach to thuggish/ sectarian behaviour regardless of the presence of the Sky camera crews, particularly if the local clubs are serious about attracting families through the turnstiles of local stadia every weekend.

  • mark

    ‘zero tolerance’ approach to thuggish/ sectarian behaviour regardless of the presence of the Sky camera crews, particularly if the local clubs are serious about attracting families through the turnstiles of local stadia every weekend’

    The IFA would also need to address its sectarian ban on Sunday football. Mr wells failed to persuade the unionist dinosours to scrap the ban a couple of years back.

  • iluvni

    Good effort all round tonight by the players and fans of Linfield and Cliftonville.
    Excellent advertisement for the much maligned Irish League….even though the begrudgers will always find something sneer about.

    Now its time for Poots find the cash to help the clubs improve the existing grounds…and drop this impractical idea of groundsharing.

  • Was at the game tonight – both teams played well, although the Reds were unlucky with a shot kicked off the line with just minutes left.
    There was the odd bit of sectarian singing, but fair play to Cliftonville, they ensured reps armed with foghorns were dotted all around the stadium and they were able to drown out any offensive words with a quick toot on their horn.
    It was a good game played in a good atmosphere. Well done to all involved.
    What we need now to further increase crowds and interest is the onset of Friday night and Sunday afternoon games.

  • Token Dissent

    It was indeed a great advert for the local game. Good attacking football, committed tackles, no gamesmanship, and excellent support from both sets of fans.

  • fru

    Its like watching Pub football but without the after time drinks.

  • Doctor Who

    Mark

    “The IFA would also need to address its sectarian ban on Sunday football. Mr wells failed to persuade the unionist dinosours to scrap the ban a couple of years back.”

    Although I would welcome Sunday football in NI, i´m not sure you can call the present ban on Sunday matches sectarian. Perhaps you can explain.

    You may also like to know that the most recent vote on this issue narrowly missed the 75% majority needed to introduce the option. Although religous beliefs came into this, there was also concern amongst the IFA that they would be head to head with Gaelic Games for the best part of the football season, possibly losing players to that code.

    People who wish to keep their sabbeth day religous cannot be called sectarian however misguided you think they are.

  • Billy

    Dr Who

    I have no problem with people who wish to keep their Sabbath day religious and I respect their right to do so.

    What I find objectionable is their desire to inflict their beliefs on everyone else.

    If they don’t wish to participate and/or watch sport on the Sabbath, that’s fine – don’t. No-one is forcing them to do anything.

    However, why should people who don’t share their beliefs (a very large majority) be denied their right to participate and/or watch sport on the Sabbath?

  • Pounder

    Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick the world is going to end, I actually agree with Billy in a football thread. Watch out for low flying pigs.

    Joking aside this is a very positive step. It’s good for the Irish League as it’ll bring in much needed cash, raising the profile of local players. It’s also good to see Linfield drop points already 🙂 Joking aside it was good to see Linfield welcomed to a ground that only a few years ago the old RUC wouldn’t allow them to visit, was this pointed out by the commentry team at all? I was only catching bits and pieces in between Corrie breaks.

    Most importantly it’s a definate step into removing sectarianism perminantly from the local game, others here seem to be expecting huge leaps forward, I don’t I’m a realist any move forward is a good thing especially in the Irish League.

  • Democratic

    No problem with that Billy – I agree with every word – however it is this “sectarian” jibe which some people try to attach to the Sunday rule – as if it was put in place to oppress Catholics!

  • Pounder

    Who mentioned catholics? The not on sunday rule is sectarian against everyone who isn’t an evangelical protestant, i.e. the majority of the population.

  • agh@hot

    Wasn’t at the game, nor did I watch it on TV. However, from listening to the Nolan show (shame on me) there appears to have been pretty much continuous sectarian chanting from the cliftonville end. In particular, I think Jeffries was on the receiving end. In fairness to the big man he came on the radio and said it was water off a ducks back and praised cliftonville for their performance on the park and for their efforts to erradicate sectarianism off the park.
    Jim Boyce also came on and condemned the sectarian chanting but claimed it came from only a minority of cliftonville fans.

    Anyone actually go to the game?

  • Democratic

    “Who mentioned catholics? The not on sunday rule is sectarian against everyone who isn’t an evangelical protestant, i.e. the majority of the population.”
    That’s a new one – been a while from I heard a new one on these type of threads – sectarian evangelical protestants eh?!!

  • rubin

    ‘Jim Boyce also came on and condemned the sectarian chanting but claimed it came from only a minority of cliftonville fans.’

    Good to see clubs coming out and condemning their own supporters when sectarian singing occurs.

    A pity the IFA could not have done the same after the disgracful scenes of sectarianism in Latvia two weeks ago.

  • Billy

    Democratic

    I agree. I don’t think that “sectarian” was a fair description of those who oppose Sunday football.

    I don’t see the “keep the Sabbath” lobby as being opposed to any specific religious grouping.

    I think they are just opposed to anyone who disagrees with their views on the Sabbath.

    As I said, they are a relatively small minority and no-one is preventing them from practising their beliefs, therefore I think it’s wrong that their beliefs prevent the large majority from enjoying local soccer on a Sunday.

    According to posters here (who obviously know a lot more about local league soccer than I do), this situation may soon change.

    Frankly, I think this would be a really positive move for the local soccer scene.

  • nmc

    Web def of sectarianism from dictionary.com:

    of or pertaining to sectaries or sects.

    The word has obviously evolved in an NI context, however using this definition, anything pertaining to the sect in question (one of the various shades of Christianity in this case), is describable as sectarian.

    Of course using this definition you could say that any unique viewpoint (pertaining to their religion) held by any Christian is sectarian. It’s difficult to define, apart from anything else the dictionary definition has no negative connotation, whereas society’s definition does, and therefore the word has cahnged beyond it’s original meaning for us IMO.

  • gareth mccord

    football it was but i think what people should be asking is it worthy or quality football for us to be paying sky for??
    I think they gave their all but it certainly wasnt the “beautiful game” we love to watch.
    As for zero tolerance, it has to be seen and carried out by all for all.
    I will be contacting sky today to re-negotiate my contract and i suspect there will be a Q

  • Cromwell

    Rubin,

    “A pity the IFA could not have done the same after the disgraceful scenes of sectarianism in Latvia two weeks ago”.

    Yawn. What disgraceful scenes of sectarianism in Latvia Rubin?
    Yawn again.

  • rubin

    ‘What disgraceful scenes of sectarianism in Latvia Rubin?’

    Go to the Latvia section on the our wee country supporters forum and read some of the comments from fans about the disgraceful scenes of sectarianism.

    Shocking stuff!

  • Pounder

    Is it beautiful fotball? Maybe mot be neither is the Coca-cola League 3, the Conference or womens football which also get shown live on Sky because Sky want to support local football and help make it better by injecting much needed TV revenue. How about Darts, hardly a athletic sport yet Sky show many Live Dart Matches, will you demand that Sky stop showing WWE in the aftermath of the Chris Benoit murder suicide. How fecking petty can you get. I’m sure there are many other things on Sky you don’t want to watch yet are you queueing up then to renegotiate contracts. I don’t like Big Brother (a programme many people find way more offensive than any Irish League game), it pushed Scrubs off TV for 3 months, but I didn’t feel the need to contact Virgin demanding to renegotiate my contract with them. Catch yourself on McCord.

  • Cromwell

    Rubin,

    “Shocking stuff”.
    Since you are throwing about allegations get the evidence out, what are we talking about here? A couple of d*ckheads singing party songs amongst a crowd of several thousand, hardly “shocking stuff” or “disgraceful scenes”, but that wouldnt suit your agenda would it?
    Dont let the truth get in the way of a good exagerated spoof Rubin. Yawn.

  • Realist

    rubin,

    Had there of been sectarian chanting inside the ground in Riga, I’m quite sure the IFA would have issued a statement of condemnation.

    They are not responsible for the behaviour of fans in pubs and clubs.

    Anyway…a great occassion at Solitude last night.

    Great to see such a good turn out of Cliftonville fans, adding immensely to a wonderful atmosphere.

    Having watched the dross served up by Manchester United and Chelsea on Sunday, it was refreshing to see players playing for the pride of their shirt, above all else, last night.

    Another small victory for Irish League football.

  • iluvni

    Who’s this ‘we’ you refer to, McCord?

    You might prefer watching the pretty boys in their alice bands feigning injury and diving about on a football pitch, but there’s more than a few who’d rather watch two honest teams giving their all, no quarter asked or given.

  • Mammon

    The never on a Sunday debate has an inevitable conclusion now that the IFA has sold it’s soul to satelite tv.
    I admit its very unlikely that the IL will replace the Premiership or La Liga on Sky on a Sunday, or that a Northern Ireland game would be in big demand, but he who pays the piper calls the tune.
    Ulster Rugby had to face down hostile criticism to play at Ravenhill on a Sunday when TV dictated.

  • gareth mccord

    pounder iluvni
    i always believe everyone is entitled to an opinion but not one that is blinkered. Look at the “beautiful game” which has different levels. Which level or quality do WE ALL want to watch? Exactly, the best. Do you or anyone watching irish league(part timers) think that this is the way this great game should be played and shown at our expense??
    w.w.e. and darts is the top quality of those sports even though you might not be a fan. But irish league is not top drawer in football so that blows your point pounder:-)
    Granted big brother and many other programmes arent many peoples idea of entertainment but we are talking about the drug that is football no comparison!!
    The one question i would ask iluvni who backs this embarrassment on sky is :- were would you want your kid to play the premiership/championship or irish league? So i guess youll be buying him the alice bands then:-)
    Get the blinkers off and realise that irish league on sky might be full off passion but certainly not football.

  • P

    What about the lower English League teams that get shown on Sky I notice you convieniently over looked my point on that. The Irish league [i]is[/i] the top drawer of football in Northern Ireland like it or not. If you don’t like it don’t watch it. But please keep up informed on how your “contract negotiations” with Sky goes. I suspect you’ll be laughed right off the phone.

  • gareth mccord

    P, your right i had a laugh on the phone:-)
    They said to me how embarrassing it is now to try and sell sky sports packages and keep a straight face at the same time.
    But honestly just because it is top drawer in “our wee wonderful country” doesnt mean its quality football just like the lower english leagues.
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn ireland”

  • Pounder

    So do you or do you not object to lower English league and womens football being shown on Sky? When high lying Northwich Victoria are shown against Kidderminster Karriers do you phone up Sky in indignation demanding a refund?

  • gareth mccord

    pounder, your talking like the irish league, embarrassing and not up to scratch. It is not personel but factual. As for lower league england i dont care they dont represent their country as top drawer, so again your point makes as much sense as jose mourinho’s sacking.
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”
    why dont you answer my questions or is it sinking in??:-)

  • willowfield

    Get off your ass and go and support your local team, gareth. You might actually enjoy yourself and have a bit of crack.

  • Levi

    Really McCord, they said that? I think you are telling porkies because I know for a fact that Sky were delighted with the response, from all around the UK, showing the match got. I suspect that you either a)don’t like football, or b)’support’ a team over the water.. which, imo, makes you an armchair fan. Support a real team you can see week in and week out. Where you can talk to the players and/or manager, actually get involved in the running of the club… of course you can continue to support your multinational company across the water if you want…

  • Levi

    btw, both fans and teams were a credit to the Irish League and Northern Ireland, and it was great to see ‘real’ football on the TV.. The Setanta Cup will be kicking off soon as well, another great football competition and advert for Irish teams and their players.

  • gareth mccord

    levi willowfield
    you just dont get it

  • Cromwell

    Neither do I Gareth, vote with your feet instead of sitting in the house sniping, how do you expect local football to improve if people like you dont go & watch it.
    Its the best we’ve got, its the only popular team sport we’ve got which is played by all sections of the community & better still for all your critcisms could you do any better than those Irish League players yourself? No you couldnt because if you could you’d be out there doing it.

  • gareth mccord

    cromwell does that mean our politicians are the best we’ve got and we all should applaud and follow them and that they are just QUALITY??
    facts are facts the irish league are like our politicians, lack of QUALITY HONESTY AND VALUE FOR MONEY!! But just because they are all we’ve got doesnt mean we have to accept or watch them and it doesnt mean you are wrong for not embracing another embarrassing aspect of our “wonderful wee country”
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”

  • Gareth, I’m not entirely sure what your point is. Sky are a commercial company, and if they didn’t believe it was in their interests to show IPL football then they simply wouldn’t. If Irish football debases the Sky package so much you are fully within your rights to cancel your subscription.

  • willowfield

    facts are facts the irish league are like our politicians, lack of QUALITY HONESTY AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!

    Not sure what you mean by a lack of honesty – are Premiership players more honest? Hardly.

    As for VFM, £7 to watch an IPL match or £35-40 to watch an English Premiership match – which gives better VFM?

  • Cromwell

    Willowfield,

    £35-£40 or possibly £55 if youre a Chelsea supporter & even more for Spurs.

    Gareth, its cause & effect, use your loaf instead of whinging & gurning, if more people go & watch it then it will improve.
    & why pray tell, do you finish every post with;”we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”?
    What has that got to do with anything?

  • gareth mccord

    cromwell, are you having a laugh? “if more people go and watch it then it will improve”???
    there was me thinking it had something to do with who was kicking the ball:-)
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”!! think about it cromwell, i know it hurts but the penny will drop!!
    willowfield i have found in my life so far that 9 times out of ten “you get what you pay for” and £7 for a match and £40-£60 only says one thing NO COMPARISON!!
    Did you watch the glens/united friendly? Not comparing tactics or fitness as it wouldnt be fair but basic passing and shooting tackling and movement was all to see and thats my point. There is footballers and there is those who kid themselves that they are playing PROPER FOOTBALL. But have to admit my mate leeper did the I.P.L. credit.
    ziznivy your right all the programmes shown on sky are worthy of our viewing and im sure there is none you dont like and think WHY AM I PAYING TO WATCH THIS S***E????(I bet you even love big brother):-)
    “WE’RE NOT BRAZIL WE’RE NORN IRON” (accept it)

  • Realist

    Gareth,

    With respect, I also am not sure what point you are trying to make?

    Is it that the Irish League isn’t of a very high standard, relative to others?

    That’s a given.

    Is it that Manchester United Reserves are better that Glentoran?

    That’s a given.

    Is that that Northern Ireland is not Brazil, in footballing terms?

    That’s a given too.

    Is it that Sky shows it fair amount of “shite”?

    (Thought that myself after watching those superstars of Manchester United and Chelsea on Sunday!)

    Another given.

    Have you a point, or are we missing something?

    Here’s a little story about what it means to support a team – I hope you understand it.

    Three seasons ago, a friend of mine employed by a well known sportswear company, phoned me to say he had got two spare tickets to watch Chelsea play Newcastle at Stamford Bridge – would me and my son like to go?

    My son’s reply surprised me – but made me very proud.

    “No Da – I’d miss the Blues playing at Shamrock Park”

    You’re right Gareth, “We’re not Brazil, We’re Northern Ireland”…and we never thought we were.

    The bottom line is that some of us have more empathy local players (admittedly less talented than those from some foreign shores), busting a gut for the shirt that they wear – and not the pay cheque they get – than we do with alice banded, hanky ball, players who are paid outrageous amounts of many to represent clubs they know little or nothing about, and care even less about.

  • gareth mccord

    alot of reasonable points Realist but, had your son been offered to watch the mighty man u he would have biten your hand off:-) You should be reported to the welfare for not bringing your kid up right:-) get him lots of man u and watch him grow to be a happy knowledgable footballing man:-)
    You should not be proud of your son making the wrong choices he does not know any better shame on you!
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”

  • Realist

    Gareth,

    “You should not be proud of your son making the wrong choices he does not know any better shame on you!”

    Supporting your local team is never the “wrong choice”.

    You stick with your “posh” football – we’ll stick with the real thing. 🙂

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Gareth McCord: “does that mean our politicians are the best we’ve got and we all should applaud and follow them and that they are just QUALITY?? ”

    Definitionally, in a democracy, the electorate always gets the politicians it deserves.

    Gareth McCord: “facts are facts the irish league are like our politicians, lack of QUALITY HONESTY AND VALUE FOR MONEY!! ”

    Not to mention a decided lack of punctuation and capitalization…

    Gareth McCord: “But just because they are all we’ve got doesnt mean we have to accept or watch them and it doesnt mean you are wrong for not embracing another embarrassing aspect of our “wonderful wee country” ”

    Those who can do, those who can’t, teach and those who can’t teach sit about and bitch.

    There are those in the States who swear by minor league baseball — the players are down-to-earth, with the exception of the odd rehabbing pro, the concessions cheaper, the fans less obnoxious and the general experience a lot friendlier than going to the huge stadium, being the anonymous face in the cheap seats, etc.

    Not every product satisfies every potential customer — most are never meant to.

  • gareth mccord

    dread
    keep up the re-hab dont give up!!(cuckoo)

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Gareth: “keep up the re-hab dont give up!!(cuckoo) ”

    Ach, you wound me. Such scintillating humor… But you’re not nearly half the wit you’d like us to think you.

    Gareth, look at it this way: just how far off base does a body have to be to get myself, Realist, Ziznivy, Willowfield, Cromwell, et. al., all something even vaguely resembling the same page?

    You have your opinion — bravo.

    You’re not afraid defend said opinion — great, bonus point.

    But, essentially, you’ve spent, what, pretty much the back half of the thread taking a piss on the Irish league. At some point, it stops being productive and starts being gurning. Yes, you’re not impressed with the game. You don’t like the game. I think you’ve made that clear by this late date, don’t you?

    Throw in the notion that you believe your opinion counts as “fact” (or “FACT,” if you prefer… btw, you might want to get a new keyboard — your shift key seems to be intermittantly semi-functional…), allowing you to present positions so unsupported as to nearly require they be arrested for loitering, makes for a boring read. Yes, you don’t like the local product — turn off the computer, turn on the tv and let the thread die a natural death.

  • gareth mccord

    dread i talk about this thread using facts and humour, you just take swipes at my non journalistic puntuation and not good england??
    As iVe SaID keeP uP thE rE hab aNd PIck A fiGHT fAcE tO fAce yOU muPPET aND stOP beiNG a SnoB

  • willowfield

    gareth

    Did you watch the glens/united friendly?

    A friendly?? Certainly did not go to that nonsense.

    But I go every week to proper matches in the IPL. Great crack every week.

  • gareth mccord

    willowfield somebody has to but as long as your happy that is the main thing, as there is nothing wrong with being easy pleased:-)

  • Cromwell

    Gareth,

    Easy pleased? Thats probably exactly what Mr.Glazer says about you, while he laughs all the way to the bank.

  • “ziznivy your right all the programmes shown on sky are worthy of our viewing and im sure there is none you dont like and think WHY AM I PAYING TO WATCH THIS S***E????(I bet you even love big brother):-)”

    I don’t subscribe to Sky Gareth and last time I checked (admittedly not for a few years)Big Brother was on Channel 4.

  • gareth mccord

    cromwell one word CHAMPIONS:-)

  • gareth mccord

    ZIZNIVY yeah and i suspose you only watch coronation street because she does:-)

  • Incidentally I still don’t get your point. If it is that IPL football isn’t any good, then I’m sure you will continue not to go. If it is that it shouldn’t be on Sky, don’t watch it or if it annoys you so much, cancel your subscription. If it is (as I suspect) just to pointlessly witter on then perhaps you’re better ignored.

    Maybe you could channel your concern more usefully and tell us what the Irish League would need to do to win you over / raise standards?

    Incidentally I hope you continue to enjoy the sterile atmosphere of Old Trafford, that big shopping complex populated by cardboard cut outs and Japanese tour parties.

  • Gareth, “she” hates soap-operas as much as I do and the only TV problems we have is if her beloved rugby is on at the same time as the football. And if Liverpool are playing there’s only going to be one winner there! 😉

  • gareth mccord

    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”

  • Pounder

    and you’re not gareth mccord your a fecking parrott repeating the same shit for the last 3 pages that where debunked 3 pages ago. Repeating the same point over and over again does not make your point right, it simply makes you ignorant because you can’t see the wood for the trees.

    Slugger for all intents and purposes delivers a wide variety of opinions and view points, yet you are the only one crying your heart out because local Irish League football is now shown on Sky. Myself and others have pointed out convincingly why it’s good that Sky are showing a few live games. Give it up man your iceskating up a mountain.

  • George

    Willowfield,
    “As for VFM, £7 to watch an IPL match or £35-40 to watch an English Premiership match – which gives better VFM?”

    The footballing world extends past England. You could watch Bayern Munich in the 69,000 capacity state-of-the-art Allianz Arena for less than the price of an IPL match.

    So IPL and EPL are not value for money.

  • gareth mccord

    pounder calm down take a deep breathe and the penny will soon drop:-)
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”

  • Democratic

    For God’s sake Pounder – let yer man Gareth have the last word – maybe he’ll let it drop – “We’re not Brazil” blah blah – yes we get it. Now don’t go away angry Gareth – just go away!

  • Cromwell

    Taxi for Gareth.

    George,
    its a more expensive than that is it not, think Hamburg charge about £6, but as far as I know Germany has laws against overcharging, which is also the reason why German teams havent fared too well in Europe in recent years. Watched Barcelona last year & it was about £15.

  • gareth mccord

    i.p.l. followers i’m looking a couple of tickets to watch a match on saturday but the problem is all the TOP GAMES are sold out can anyone help:-)

  • Democratic

    Yeah Gareth – I can pull a few strings and get you a couple of tickets for the Outer Hebrides Charity Shield this Saturday – I’ll even pay for your flight – one way of course.

  • gareth mccord

    DEMOCRAT thanks but i dont want to miss the quality of the I.P.L. and by the way that match is being shown live on sky so i can record it and watch it on sat night after my I.P.L. excitement:-)
    cant wait until saturday
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”

  • Pounder

    fuck off and die painfully troll.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Gareth: “dread i talk about this thread using facts and humour, you just take swipes at my non journalistic puntuation and not good england?? ”

    In no particular order…

    1) You haven’t used much in the way of actual fact, merely tarted up your own opinions and presented them as “FACT.”

    2) Humor, pretty much definitionally, involves some level of amusement on the part of the audience. In reading this thread, I stand by my original analysis — you may think you’re a wit, but you’re not even half right.

    3) One presumes that you meant to say “non-standard punctuation and English,” not “England”

    Gareth: “As iVe SaID keeP uP thE rE hab aNd PIck A fiGHT fAcE tO fAce yOU muPPET aND stOP beiNG a SnoB ”

    What, no threatinging me with your Da’ this time?

    gareth, you’re being a troll. Go crawl back under your bridge and interfere with the passage of livestock.

  • Realist

    “cromwell one word CHAMPIONS:-”

    Of ENGLAND Gareth, of ENGLAND.

    We’re not ENGLAND, We’re Norn Iron – has the penny dropped yet? 🙂

  • gareth mccord

    dread what do you think about the topic and stop being so interested in me, your starting to be a blogger stalker (or i’ll get my maa) By the way dread you can say anything about someone who is dead thats why we never sued the b.b.c.(i know its a joke but apparently its true)?? So how did your close relative get off with that charge of child porn and having kids in his garden shed locked up with a cocktail of drugs, before he mysteriously died??(get my point)!!
    pounder im having a laugh with a bit of seriousness but you i’m sure are too?(wind your neck in and unhook my line you muppet)

  • Doctor Who

    George

    “The footballing world extends past England. You could watch Bayern Munich in the 69,000 capacity state-of-the-art Allianz Arena for less than the price of an IPL match.”

    Really George so when I paid 45euros to watch Munich there last season, I was ripped off.

  • gareth mccord

    Realist fair point but again there is champions and there is chumpions and guess were Linfield fits the best:-)
    “we’re not brazil we’re norn iron”
    (i’m being surrounded here i’m getting my daa):-)

  • Secret Admirer

    Well done for being able to play the game in Solitude.