“By linking the project’s funding to the UDA..”

Jim Gibney may have been extolling the virtues of carrots, something Jackie McDonald was undoubtedly nodding in agreement to, but in Saturday’s Irish News [via the indispensible Newshound] the UPRG’s Frankie Gallagher was waving a stick. Whether his own name would be on such a claim for damages isn’t made clear, but he is one of the staff employed under the publicly funded CTI project.From the Irish News article on Newshound

Among the 15 staff employed by the CTI project, one – Billy ‘Twister’ McQuiston – is an ex-UDA prisoner.

Frankie Gallagher, Colin Haliday and Sammy Duddy, members of the UPRG which gives advice to the UDA, are also on the pay-roll.

However, a number of staff are community workers with no loyalist background, with one believed to be a Catholic university graduate. Some are now taking legal advice with a view to seeking damages from the government.

By linking the project’s funding to the UDA, staff claim they have been put at risk and their future careers irreparably damaged.

The linking of the funding to a reduction of the criminal and paramilitary activities of the UDA was in the announcement in March by then NIO minister David Hanson, MP.

And here’s Colin Halliday and Sammy Duddy, and Frankie Gallagher [not pictured] on a day trip to Larne recently..

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  • Paul O

    Nuzhound should just change their name to ‘indispensible Nuzhound’! They are never refered to in any other way on Slugger!

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Nuzhound: “Among the 15 staff employed by the CTI project, one – Billy ‘Twister’ McQuiston – is an ex-UDA prisoner.

    Frankie Gallagher, Colin Haliday and Sammy Duddy, members of the UPRG which gives advice to the UDA, are also on the pay-roll. ”

    I thought our local UDA cheer-leader told us that only trained professionals were going to be managing this project, not ex-hardmen and their pet sock-puppets.

    Nuzhound: “By linking the project’s funding to the UDA, staff claim they have been put at risk and their future careers irreparably damaged.”

    Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas… and somehow its the gov’t’s fault??

  • Pounder

    I think thats a little harsh on the office staff of the CTI projects Dread. Would you rather they signed on and claimed dole than work with people of a questionable character?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Pounder: “I think thats a little harsh on the office staff of the CTI projects Dread. Would you rather they signed on and claimed dole than work with people of a questionable character? ”

    I think its chutzpah to go work with (and, apparently, for) people of dubious character and then complain that having someone pointing out that you work with (and, apparently, for) people of dubious character is somehow unfair.

    I mean, by your standard, we ought to let the Emperor walk about naked with nary a comment, save how wonderful the cut of his coat.

  • Pounder

    Depends if it’s a cold day after I wouldn’t want the Emperor getting a bad reputation.

    Still I stand by my point. To take your view to the extreem every civil servant in the OFMDFM should quit because both Paisley and McGuinness have shady pasts.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Pounder: “Still I stand by my point. To take your view to the extreem every civil servant in the OFMDFM should quit because both Paisley and McGuinness have shady pasts.”

    You’re wrong, insofar as this is not an issue of quitting, but one of having the grant pulled. If the government fell, would not the respective staffs find their situations at risk? These folks are working on a grant — non-permanent monies that can be cancelled, reduced, withdrawn, etc., almost at the whim of the granter. That uneasy sword of Damocles feeling comes with working on a grant is derigeur. Nothing personal, just the nature of the beast.

    Secondly, our resident UDA cheer-leader said that this was not going to be jobs for the boys, but it would seem a full quarter plus of the staff are sock-puppets or “ex” hard-men, somewhat souring my milk of human kindness. One further wonders since a quarter of the staff would seem to be sinecures at first blush, how many of the remainder are “real” employees, or cousins, sisters, associated frills, etc.

    Lastly, anyone with a lick of sense should have known that this grant, as closely associated with the UDA and its cheer-leaders, was going to be closely watched, if not under a microscope. If you want the benefit of working with and for hoods, is it not reasonable that they are assigned the downside as well?

    Grants end, get pulled or otherwise go south. Life goes on. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Anyone who thought that the UDA’s good behavior (or lack thereof) wasn’t going to impact this grant doubly so.

  • Different Drummer

    It’s very easy to condem what’s going on. Action is required.

    Those women who publically oppose/d the UDA are right. They don’t want them as any sort of ‘representive’ becuase UDA only represent themselves.

    What many here would like to see a Peace People movement similar to the old one only this time the iniative should be taken by those women who opposed the UDA.

    I hope that that comes soon and does not need more Loyalist to be shot up before it happens.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    DD: “It’s very easy to condem what’s going on. Action is required. ”

    Ah, but that would require the politicians and police to actually stir their stumps and take their oaths seriously.

    DD: “What many here would like to see a Peace People movement similar to the old one only this time the iniative should be taken by those women who opposed the UDA. ”

    The biggest obstacle is that UDA draws their inspiration not from a social cum political well, but from such sources as the Krays, the Mafia and the movie “Scarface.” The wishes of the masses are not going to move them one whit. Their more interested in drug turn and protection rackets to care.

    DD: “I hope that that comes soon and does not need more Loyalist to be shot up before it happens.”

    Comme ci, comme ca. I’m more worried about police and other uninvolved bystanders than the hoods themselves… their skill and accuracy is celebrated more in its absences, as is their good sense and grasp of polite society.

  • Different Drummer

    I’m sure we all ‘worried’ as you say DC and some will will have to be worried more than others as you say the ‘un involved bystanders’ are the people who end up getting hurt.

    Oddly enough the worst thing that could happen politicall for the UDA is that another police injury or a fatality occurs. They seem to have it in for the Cops as Orde trys to bring in something that looks like liberal democracy here.

    That as you imply will fail as the very state deepends on Loyalism and their type of ‘scar face’ mayhem. But the pop cultural explanations can be taken too far. Otherwise they end up as a substitute for considered analysis (I agree we do that a lot here in NI but try to do better – on Slugger.)

    But when certain Oxford Professor start saying that Jonny D is ‘interesting’ because he used Tina Turner as his theme tune. Then it’s not only Elvis that’s left the building it’s common sense too.

    But hey I know those women were right to take on the ex commanders at that infamious lesuire centre meeting and maybe they won’t again but it would be good if they did.

    *They* are the ones who should be in post instead of those mentioned above – because they do actually care about what happens to their communities.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    DD: “Oddly enough the worst thing that could happen politicall for the UDA is that another police injury or a fatality occurs. They seem to have it in for the Cops as Orde trys to bring in something that looks like liberal democracy here. ”

    Sure — look what the wounding of the last office accomplished. The fact is is there was little response to either the confrontation between the “bad” UDA and the “worse” UDA, even with the wounding of a cop. A few more statements, the odd threat from the hard men and the near-abandonment, politically, of the one minister who thought that a little accountability was in order.

    It reality, I don’t think we disagree much, DD… I’m just not sanguine on the possibility of the UDA taking a subtle hint.

    DD: “*They* are the ones who should be in post instead of those mentioned above – because they do actually care about what happens to their communities. ”

    I agree, and its a pity that their deeds will amount to little, because, as perhaps you’ve noticed, the UDA doesn’t really care about having good press.

    The UDA has made it abundantly clear that the carrot alone is insufficient for them to come around to participating in civil society. Likewise, their lack of response to public pressure would suggest that it is time to consider bringing the stick into the equation. As the UDA is an illegal organization, perhaps the round-up of “the usual suspects” should commence. Since the UDA feels they did not recieve those things the IRA got, perhaps we should revoke those UDA members released early, so they would truly not have those things.

  • Different Drummer

    Truth is that HMG NIO Orde and ‘others’ don’t know what to do.

    Orde – phew! he really did it with that ‘I wouldn’t give them 50pence’ remark. At least it geed up the SDLP a bit but as you imply it didn’t impress Fatah(sorry Sinn Feinn)as its end logic would mean that monies going their way should also be stopped.

    Jesz Gerry’s revolutionary umberella organisation turned up side down to collect the nice HMG pennies from heaven… No wonder the ‘lads’ in ‘heartlands’ are jealious. (see thread on G’s Guradian interview).

    But I have no wish to see any of Ordes men on deck with injuries it would as you say only prove that the hoods can only get better at being hoods.

    Well CD you don’t offer much hope of any sort of change in the ‘heart lands’ I just wanted to express my hope that the women in those heart lands will try again – it did make a difference to all of us – cos by ________ they told it like it is and we need more of that.

    Tell you what I do you a deal DC if no one in the heartlands says ‘get out we have had enough’ by the end of the year I’ll accept that it will probably never happen.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    DD: “Orde – phew! he really did it with that ‘I wouldn’t give them 50pence’ remark. At least it geed up the SDLP a bit but as you imply it didn’t impress Fatah(sorry Sinn Feinn)as its end logic would mean that monies going their way should also be stopped.

    Jesz Gerry’s revolutionary umberella organisation turned up side down to collect the nice HMG pennies from heaven… No wonder the ‘lads’ in ‘heartlands’ are jealious. (see thread on G’s Guradian interview). ”

    Aye, and its right on principle… but, to take a contrarian view for a moment, SF has an electoral presence and is supported by a not insignificant percentage of the population. All the UDA has is the UDA and their sock-monkey, UPRG. Likewise, unlike the UDA, the IRA has gone through the motions of grudgingly delivering their side of the bargain (please note, whether or not it was a good bargain is another issue for another thread). If the “boys from the hearlands” are jealous, then mayhap they should pick up their feet and get to work.

    DD: “Well CD you don’t offer much hope of any sort of change in the ‘heart lands’ I just wanted to express my hope that the women in those heart lands will try again – it did make a difference to all of us – cos by ________ they told it like it is and we need more of that. ”

    I’m a cynic. It’s not that good on the stomach, but I have the benefit of seldom being incorrect… and when I am wrong, I’m usually pleasently suprised. Sort of a win/win scenario, after a fashion.

    DD: “Tell you what I do you a deal DC if no one in the heartlands says ‘get out we have had enough’ by the end of the year I’ll accept that it will probably never happen. ”

    Stockholm syndrome on a community level… now there’s an image.

    Until someone makes it plain that this has to end, until the city father, or mothers, or decent law-abiding citizens — until the people are willing to say “no” to these hoods on a consistant basis, its not going to stop.

  • Different Drummer

    I wonder did Hugh Orde know what he had done when he said ‘not even 50p’ I don’t think the guys in the canteen were impressed.

    But it does look as if their will be a show down.

    We agree that UDA is not wanted in any shape or form in the heart lands hey – that puts the heartlands way ahead of the fatah supporters!

    Let’s not forget SF/Fatah are also now UDA supporters as well….. yeeees – in the way you outline – ie let the UDA lead become fertisler for the money tree and all will be well….[not].

    But you don’t have a monoploy on cynicism DC if you read what happened in Cyprus and Kenya we are way behind where they ended up – civil war.

    Or as the ‘others’ manual puts it -wind up the rivaliies and step well back. Well now it’s just like we said *they* simply can’t get on you know these Greeks and Turks, Loyalists and the Kikuyu these rival nationalists these Hindu’s and Moslems.

    NOW THAT is something far worse than cynicism that is encoraging barbarism to depolicise/neutralise any element that wanted a radical alternative to civil war. I often think of Jina the Indian muslim nationalist leader who agiatated strongly for a separate faith state and right at the last moment he said ‘no I think it wouldn’t work’ – well after a good talking to from HMG ministers he changed it back again – result many thousands died.

    But what if the existence of this state is dependent on UDA holding – as you put it their own communites hostage. Stockholm syndrome is when hostages empahaise with the kidnappers.

    That’s why it is so important to keep saying the true pillers of the community – those mums are not bedazzled by those who are holding their communites hostage.