Police attacked after Apprentice Boys’ parade

Chief Inspector Chris Yates may have paid tribute to the marshals, and those ubiquitous community representatives, but it hasn’t prevented police being attacked with petrol bombs in the city centre following the Apprentice Boys’ annual parade in Londonderry today. The BBC report notes that 8 people have been arrested for public order offences.

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  • Cruimh

    Is that a mistake on the BBC website or were there really 120,000 ?

  • peteb,
    got any figures about whether this represents a decrease in violence at this parade since 1998?

    It must be awful to have to endure 120,000 of them each year if you’re not one of them, but it doesn’t the attacks.

    What’s the age of the oldest bomb thrower? do we know yet? anyone over 16? please keep us posted with hyper link updates.

  • chewnic

    Parcial,
    You’re onto something.
    Will the final amount of hyper-links posted by Pete be more than the average age of the arrested youths?

    A tenner says Pete does the business, if you pardon the expression.

  • pomahoney

    the bbc obviously dosent bother its arse after if goes over the glenshane pass 120000 abods and the black pearl in harbour, both not true

  • jim

    5000 marchers & bandsmen

  • chewnic

    What’s the black pear in harbour reference?

  • lol chewnic, well if past experience is anything to go by I won’t bet against you.

    Mind you if they’re all 14yr-olds expect no more hyperlinks; however there maybe a “viagra moment” to pursue your analogy, if a scramble to database link the surnames of those arrested comes up with an official or maybe hits the jackpot with a SF councilor.

  • chewnic I think the black pearl is a reference to one of the ships that stinking billy sent over in 1988 (sorry I mean 1688) for the relief of Derry.

  • Ben

    Most of the kids are about 14, some younger, a few a bit older. I’m talking about the ones stirring it up, not the ones arrested as I wasn’t the one taking their details. Same shite as last year, though this year it’s a bit further down in the Bog for the most part, last year it was right at Butchers Gate. It was raining all through the parade, that actually kept the hijinks down around the Diamond. Two interesting bits are that this year they had traffic moving though the Diamond (up Butchers then down Shipquay) while the parade was moving through, and that the Bands on the wall during the early morning circuit kept playing along the stretch where in recent years they’ve kept quiet save for a single drum beat. One step forward, one step back? It’s raining hard again, perhaps they’ll call it a night. Ben

  • Pounder

    Same shit, different coloured sash.

  • observer

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    Same shit, different coloured sash.
    Posted by Pounder on Aug 11, 2007 @ 10:03 PM

    [Play the ball! – edited moderator]

  • Harry Flashman

    The ship sent to relieve Derry was called the Mountjoy I think, the Black Pearl surely refer’s to Johnny Depp’s ship in “Pirates of the Caribean”.

    I would agree that the average age of the petrol bomb throwers is probably about the same as the factor by which the BBC got the number of marchers wrong.

  • Dave

    “Police attacked after Apprentice Boys’ parade”

    Excuse my ignorance, the above headline? does this mean that members of the ABOD attacked the police?

    Or does this mean that the police were attacked by people who are afronted the the ABOD parade.

    Who attacked the police?

  • joeCanuck

    I don’t mind Pete’s links at all. I find it useful to follow up some of them sometimes.
    It’s not compulsory to click.

  • Prince Eoghan

    You seem to be getting awfy close to Pete this weather Joe.

    It’s hard to get an update on this story, seems that since all the Derrywans have been slagged aff here so often on various threads that they don’t come onto slugger any more. Now when we need eye witness news all the fun has come back to bite us on the bum.

    Stop persecuting the Derrywans!

    Now!

  • agh

    ‘”Police attacked after Apprentice Boys’ parade”
    Excuse my ignorance, the above headline? does this mean that members of the ABOD attacked the police?
    Or does this mean that the police were attacked by people who are afronted the the ABOD parade.
    Who attacked the police? ‘

    take a wild guess who attacked the police in stroke city? Who are the usual suppects lol. Looking forward to hearing SF condemn the attack unreservedly…

  • Ben

    I suppose the word “attack” is appropriate, but you could also say who “played” with the police. I watched the whole thing, from the Diamond down into the Bog. There were fewer nationalist kids this year up on the corner of the Diamond where Richmond Centre is opposite Austins, and there were fewer Protestant supporters on the other side – credit the rain for that at least in part. And there were fewer cops, and fewer in hard gear, etc. etc. At the same time, when the police come to put their cameras in the faces of the kids and tell them to take their hoods off by virtue of Public Order regs, some of them said to the kids “see you later,” and they didn’t mean for a pint (the kids aren’t old enough to drink legally in any case). But that’s just the point: with slight variation, the whole thing unfolds exactly as expected. Use the term recreational rioting if you like, but it’s definitely done, at least in part, for the craic. But the term “play” doesn’t only apply to the Bogsiders. Last year the police were much more patient, and stayed almost entirely just inside Butcher Gate, with one foray out to the top of Fahan Street and about half way down toward the Free Derry sign. They lifted one or two kids in the Diamond, and one in the Bog. This year they were roaming around a lot more, and it would have been no surprise if one of the wains (the spectators run the whole age gamut) had gotten hit by a car running across a street. Fortunately that didn’t happen or all hell might have broken loose. So much for my eyewitnessing. The real question is what does it all mean? The pre-parade appeal by SF jointly with the PSNI doesn’t seem to have had much impact but cramming 10-13,000 marchers (my estimate based on previous years estimates, in no way scientific)through the city centre was far less tense than five percent of that on an evening march through the Ardoyne. The media loves to do its post-parade petrol bomb report each year, but my take is power to Derry, this thing is moving, by and large, in the right direction. Another few years and this post ABOD parade expression should be a thing of the past. Ben

  • joeCanuck

    Great piece of reporting Ben. Puts things in context.

  • Cruimh

    “The media loves to do its post-parade petrol bomb report each year, but my take is power to Derry, this thing is moving, by and large, in the right direction. Another few years and this post ABOD parade expression should be a thing of the past.”

    Ben – Seamus McKinney had an article about the siege celebrations in the Irish News, Friday, August 13, 2004 :

    ” INCREDIBLE as it may seem, in August 1789, the then Catholic bishop of Derry, Dr Philip McDevitt, led the city’s Catholic clergy onto Derry’s walls to join the centenary Relief of Derry celebrations. ”

    RC Church paricipation had stopped by 1838.

    So who knows where all this will end ?

  • C O Squared

    “Who attacked the police?”

    NIPPLES

  • Ben

    Cruimh have a look, if you care to, at Ian McBride’s 1997 “The Siege of Derry in Ulster Protestant Mythology”, which does a good job of tracing the on-again off-again relations between the two communities around the history of the siege. That history took place in a dynamic but still fairly constant political context; that context is now changed (in Derry at least) in some fundamental ways. I wouldn’t argue that all the reasons for current accomodation in Derry are completely wholesome, but the signs are encouraging. I could say the same for the dissident Republican “parade” in Ballymena last Thursday evening. Six marchers, far fewer police than in the past two years, and no wrap-around attempt by Loyalists to get at them from the bottom of Fisherwick. I’m not looking through rose-colored glasses, there is a long way to go. Still and all, it doesn’t make sense to be distracted by increasingly marginal efforts to use violence to shape the future. My vote: keeping talking. Cheers, Ben

  • Cruimh

    I’ll order a copy of it, thanks Ben

  • miss fitz

    Ben sums it up rightly. I wasnt in Derry this year, but watching the ‘riots’ in Derry is a genuinely riveting experience.

    I was struck at how the police interacted with the youths all throughout the day, and the kids listened to what was being said all day long.

    Then, like a set piece, the whole atmosphere changes. The riot police get geared up, the kids pull up their hoodies, and maybe pull on a Celtic shirt, and the ‘riot’ starts. Dont get me wrong, you have to run like the devil when it starts as it is serious, but you cannot help feeling that its almost like an old married couple who expect certain actions and level of behaviour from each other.

    I am not from Derry, but it strikes me that there must be potential to move this situation on, if the will and motivation to do so can be found.

    I should also say that I have been there for some of the biggest parades over the years, and I would have thought 10 to 15 thousand would have been an absolute maximum number of people.

  • Harry Flashman

    **you have to run like the devil when it starts as it is serious,**

    Actually miss fitz, you really don’t as it really isn’t.

    As has been pointed out above, Derry riots are about as serious as my attempts at salsa dancing and almost as entertaining.

  • miss fitz

    Harry
    I agree and disagree!

    I think I have made allowances for the fact that they are set piece riots, and its a strange, agreed ritual that takes place, with police and rioters all hypnotised when the appointed time comes.

    Having said that, the petrol is real, the rocks are real and the dogs bite. At a given time, only a fool would stand and watch. Hence we have police getting injured.

    What is it they say? Familiarity breeds comtempt?

  • darth rumsfeld

    Nah, those aren’t proper riots like we used to get a decade ago, with known players directing young hoods. This was a few of the shellsuit wearing classes up town for their near dead tradition of being offended. Ben is right about the Diamond- totally dead, but shopping going on as normal down Shipquay Street.

    I did hear one loyal brother comment- after 2 hours waiting in the pouring rain to walk two hours more, and in between ringing out his white gloves and tipping out the moat around the rim of his bowler hat for the tenth time- “They can have their United Ireland- who would fight over such a rotten country. Now if we’d been planted in Bermuda….”

  • sportsman

    BBC corrected it to 15,000 marchers. So there you are now.

  • Cruimh

    My copy of Ian Mcbride’s book arrived – oddly enough from QUB although I hadn’t realised I was ordering it from there.

    Jiffy bag has a nice sticker on it – “Cló Ollscoil na Banríona” under a lighthouse – can someone translate please ?

  • Tochais Síoraí

    These set piece fights in Derry are reminiscent of the nineteenth century faction fights which took place at cattle fairs in a lot of Irish towns. Good to see the ancient traditions being maintained.

    (Cló OnB = QUB Press, I’d imagine).

  • Cruimh

    Thanks Tochais Síoraí.