On the co-option of King Billy into the ‘RA…

Flickr fan Gary has spotted what looks like an unintentional mistake…

  • Outsider

    This confirms how a lot of people not from NI do not quite understand events here. I have always found this very apparent in England when people start giving me their opinions on Northern Ireland.

  • George Gay

    Not really. Read PJ Rourke or anyone who looks at Ulster’s narco gangs from a distance. It is the same as the Crips, the Aryan Brotherhood and other Stateside gangs. Or The Life of Brian.
    I have been asked by English friends of mine, all with part Irish ancestry, who the loonies with the bowler hats and Orange ribbon thingies are. At least in The George, they understand these things but The George is not the world at large.

    Speaking of which, a good win by Iraq. And maybe Cork will do better next time. Great piping in Cork:)

  • Harry Flashman

    Well of course there’s no real reason why a militant republican who slaughtered a garrison full of English Royalists and their Irish allies who had been intent on imposing the rule of an absolutist English king on Ireland shouldn’t be celebrated by Irish Republicans.

    But then ol’ Ollie Cromwell wasn’t too fond of Catholics so that excludes him from the Irish Republican pantheon.

  • PaddyReilly

    One point that one frequently has to make to the ignorant is that England was never a Republic. For a short period the king was overthrown and England was ruled by a junta (in those days, for some reason, they spelt this word junto), or arguably by a ‘Lord Protector’, essentially a dictator, but there was never a Republic: elections were never held, for the very good reason that they could not come up with any conceivable electorate which would not want to restore the monarchy, or at least the set up whereby the monarch needed the consent of the electorate before imposing taxes.

    Consequently the ‘protectorate’ just rumbled on until the old dictator died, when a parliament was called and some sort of electoral process was restored. Oligarchical rather than democratic, but certainly an improvement on military dictatorship.

    Another point I would like to make is that the republican camp is first and foremost democratic. One believes in a Republic, because that is what the majority of people in Ireland want; one believes in the availability of Catholic schooling, for the same reason. Should the electorate turn monarchist, or so hyper-jacobin that they cannot abide any manifestation of religion, one would have to go with them, but for the present this does not seem to be the case.

  • Gréagóir O’ Franclín

    Pity we got it a bit mixed up in Ireland. Would have been better had we been all Protestant and Republican. Give monarchs and popes the boot! I suppose it can be confusing to outsiders.

    BTW, those murals look awful. Kinda mawkish and badly painted. I thought the likes of them were gonna be banned, particularly the likes of the first one with the ‘terrorist’ pointing the gun.
    Same goes for IRA murals with hooded armed figures. Probably painted by kids. There’s got to be more to the Ulster peoples culture than thugs in masks waving armalites in the air.

    If ye’s need a Reubans or a Van Dyck, give us a shout!

  • To be fair to the loyalists the murals chosen are hardly the finest examples of their works. There are better examples to be found, the British Saints mural on My Lady’s Road and the Blair Mayne Mural on the Newtownards Road which for some reason was replaced by an woeful Glentoran mural.

    Whoever does the murals for the UDA in east Belfast obviously lost both arms in a freak accident and had to paint with the brush clenched in his teeth, in the dark. My dick looks more like an AK-47 than some of those drawings.

  • smcgiff

    ‘Whoever does the murals for the UDA in east Belfast obviously lost both arms in a freak accident and had to paint with the brush clenched in his teeth, in the dark. My dick looks more like an AK-47 than some of those drawings.’

    Not a good time to be sipping my coffee! 🙂

  • Pounder, I agree – some murals are better than others. Sadly the British Saints mural you talked about is gone – it has been replaced by one about emigration to Liverpool following IRA attacks:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/garymcmurray/458888944/

  • Gréagóir O’ Franclín

    What positive aspects of Unionist culture could be portrayed bar the negative and sad parts of history, that always seem to be emphasized. Maybe omit the Titanic as well as it did sink after all with the loss of life.

    I know there are murals dedicated to the Ulster 36th Division, Catholic boy and VC war hero Seaman James Magennis, the travails of the Ulster/Scots-Scots/Irish Presbyterian settlers in America etc.. but how about maybe not empasizing hardship and war so much.

    Good to see NI/Ulster sports stars like George Best, etc celebrated…and renowned writer CS Lewis. Would be good to see one dedicated to Alex Higgins, Van Morrison, James Galway, Derek Bell of the Chieftains. John Luke was an exceptional illustrative artist from Ulster who seems to have been forgotton too.

    Same applies to Nationalist areas, but there are now more colourful murals celebrating Irish music and dance, replacing the more sinister daubings.
    But overall let’s pass on the images dedicated to the politics and paramiltaries and the sad and turbulent times of the Troubles. It’s a new era now to be somewhat more optimistic and positive, is it not.

  • Cruimh

    “But overall let’s pass on the images dedicated to the politics and paramiltaries and the sad and turbulent times of the Troubles. It’s a new era now to be somewhat more optimistic and positive, is it not.”

    It’s a time of change and uncertainty Gréagóir and people tend to cling to what is familiar.

  • George Gay

    HOw about murals taking the mick out of Greybeard Adams, Fossil Paisley and their minions?

  • Well George there is For God and Ulster on the Albertbridge Road.

  • For Cod and Ulster, surely?

  • Thats the one, slip of the key :s

    Incidently if you’re ever over that way try the George Best Burger. So named because you want one most after a few pints too many.

  • Gréagóir O’ Franclín
  • Aye thats the one. Damn good chippy too.

  • Gréagóir O’ Franclín

    Indeed, more visual humour like this needed in NI…tis the best tonic!

    Break the conventions!

  • peter

    Is there supposed to be a story in this?…poor!

  • eleanorbull

    I was delighted to read on a music blog I visit someone referring to the track “They Never came home”, from Christy Moore’s ‘Ordinary Man’ album prior to it being pulled as ‘libellous’. It is about events at the Stardust disco in Dublin in 1978, when dozens of teenagers died.

    Someone…American, I’d guess, responds that he hopes those dark days of Irish history are never revisited in the new peaceful era.

    Classic.

  • Moochin photoman

    Aye thats the one. Damn good chippy too.

    Posted by Pounder on Jul 30, 2007 @ 02:50 PM

    Naah
    Spences all the way………. For Cod and Ulster is more about style over substance. Great graffit on the shutter fer sure but there’s a reason why Spences is the oldest Fish Parlour in Belfast!

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23386031@N00/532203171/

  • Dawkins

    That can’t be King William on the mural. The real Willem van Oranje rode a brown horse, not a white. Nor could he have raised his right arm, having been wounded in the shoulder by a stray, bouncing cannonball earlier in the day.

    It must be King James then. Ergo, it’s an IRA mural :0)

  • stevo

    thank ‘cod’ that hideous chippy chain has gone under. they’re all closed now. It was indeed all style (cough!) and no substance. Tacky looking chip shops, playing on the old worn-out ‘for god and ulster’ mantra. yeah ok, it was funny for 5 mins , but the novelty soon wore off.

    Specially when he opened one in Ballyhackamore. It stuck out lke a sore thumb – this totally tacky chippy in garish loyalist purple and orange colours – amongst the trendy eating establishments in Ballyhack. What a bleedin’ eyesore! agh!

    Wish they would just turn it into the good old hot spot again and get back to basics. Learn a lesson perhaps from the Fryer Tuck – now that’s a great chippy