Harrington first Irishman in 60 years to win Open…

Congratulations to Padraig Harrington for lifting the British Open Golf trophy Claret Jug this evening after a nail biting one shot victory in a four-hole play-off with Sergio Garcia. Holywood’s Rory McIlroy was the top amateur, finishing on five over and as such takes the Silver Medal. Congrats to Rory and family!!

  • Dewi

    Wonderful ! – brilliant TV as well.

  • john

    First irish winner in 60 years-well donne to Padraig!!

  • Cruimh

    Congratulatons to Padraig – a really nice chap.

  • frank

    Superb by Padraig

    A great moment when his son asked him could they keep ladybirds in it (the trophy)

    Well done to young Rory McIlroy as well, one for the future.

  • Dr Strangelove

    A cracking day for Irish golf with Harrington and McIlroy both winning. Harrington certainly had the game to win a major and the way he nailed his approach shot to the first play off hole was superb. Having said that however, he played fantastic golf all day apart from the 18th in regulation play.

    Mick, I take it you are not a golfer…. while factually you are correct in stating Padriag lifted the “British Open Golf trophy “, it is a very formal way of saying that he won the British Open

    It was also nice to see Woods, machine like, not walking his way to another major. So Harrington winning the British Open and an awesome first stage in the Pyrenees in the Tour.. Sunday sporting heaven

  • Phil

    Mick/Dr Strangelove,

    I’m not a big fan of golf but I always thought that the tournament was simply called “The Open”?

    Great to watch though. He is obviously a man of great integrity. A credit to himself, his family and to your country.

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    Well done Harrington and McIlroy – a great day for Irish sport. Still, gutted for Sergio who misses out again. I remain hoping he become’s another Seve or Olazabal (awesome in Ryder Cup plus major winner) as opposed to another Monty (awesome in Ryder Cup but major bridesmaid).

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    Phil – in the UK yes its called ‘The Open’ and its official name is ‘The Open Championship’. The US refers to it as the British Open – as for the ‘British Open ‘ trophy surely Harrington is lifting the Claret Jug?

    http://golf.about.com/od/historyofgolf/a/claretjug.htm

  • Mick Fealty

    Consider me ‘slapped’!

  • Hill16FantasticView

    Fantastic achievements for both Padraig Harrington and Rory McIlroy. Been a big fan of Harringtons for a many years and great to see him finally rewarded with this win.
    I’ll be toasting his success with my winnings (22-1)!!!!!

  • Never been much of a golf fan but even I have to admit that that was a damn good final. Big gratz to Padraig and ofcourse to young Rory.

  • parcifal

    Great to see an Irish win, Lordy..the horses are winning the big races, we’re into the cricket now, and the Rugby World Cup is just around the corner… phew

    If you’re not Irish these days you’re nobody 🙂

    Thank you for the thread Mick.. consider yourself slapped-silly

  • We’ll not mention the Republics soccer team much then in this thread. 🙂

  • George

    We can also mention that Harrington apart from fully deserving his success, is a Dub and this is surely further evidence that the Jacks are well and truly back.

    That said, Cork did manage to beat Louth in the football, more than Padraig’s dad managed back in the 1957 All-Ireland.

  • parcifal

    Pounder,lol it was George Best’s wish that there would be one Irish team, which makes sense for qualification.. so that one has to be filed under….. pending.

  • Yet a united Irish team would mean a combined league and thus less european places. It’s funny how those in the South didn’t want a UI team either untill Norn Iron started humbling the likes of England, Sweden and Spain. Thanks but no thanks we’re doing better on our own.

  • George

    Pounder,
    “It’s funny how those in the South didn’t want a UI team either untill Norn Iron started humbling the likes of England, Sweden and Spain.”

    You are being more than a little naive there if you think that those who favour the idea of a united Ireland team only did so because of the silken skills of the likes of David Healy.

    But believe your own hype if you want.

  • I supose so, a UI team would also give you the chance to get rid of Staunton who seems to be for the Irish what Graham Taylor was for the English. Didn’t you have a hard time beating San Marino?

  • parcifal

    Pounder, well there’ll be more talent to choose from, and better World Cup chances, which is the main event… Not much of a footie man myself but I wonder what Germany’s experience was after re-unification.

  • IIRC only one previously East German player made the new combined team, Michael Ballack.

  • George

    Sammer, Kirsten, Doll, Schultz.

  • willowfield

    Not only is Harrington the first Irishman to win the Open in 60 years, he is also the first ever Southern Irishman.

  • George

    As well as Ballack the current team also has Bernd Scheider, Tim Borowski and Robert Huth, who were born in East Germany.

    Willowfield,
    he is also the first “Eastern Irishman” to win the British Open.

  • willowfield

    There is no such entity as “Eastern Ireland”, so Harrington’s feat, even if it were true (Fred Daly was from the east of Ireland), is of no significance.

    Harrington competes as a Southern Irishman and waved the Southern Irish flag upon his fantastic victory.

  • flaminglip1

    You don’t say.

  • George

    Willowfield,
    there is no such thing as a “Southern Irishman” either, as you well know. Unless you are refusing to accept the legitimacy of Dáil Éireann that is.

    If you had said “southern Irishman”, it would have been a different matter.

  • smcgiff

    ‘There is no such entity as “Eastern Ireland”’

    From one pedant to another – There’s no entity called ‘Southern Ireland’ either. George got you GOOOOOOOD!

  • willowfield

    Zzzzzzzz

    Like you didn’t know that “Southern Irish” referred to him being from what is now the Republic of Ireland! Wise up.

    No idea what the “legitimacy of Dail Eireann” (Zzzzzzz) has to do with anything.

    And “southern Irish” would not have done, as the obvious point is that Padraig has become the first person from his country (Southern Ireland) to win the Open, not the first person from geographically-southern Ireland (which would exclude places like Donegal, Monaghan, etc.).

  • willowfield

    smcgiff

    From one pedant to another – There’s no entity called ‘Southern Ireland’ either.

    Zzzzz

    You know perfectly well that the Republic of Ireland is often referred to as Southern Ireland, and that that was what I was referring to. Indeed, Republic of Ireland is a misleading name, given that part of Ireland is in the UK.

  • parcifal

    willowfield
    enjoy your pedantry.. to the outside world an Irishman won the Open. Southern/Northern doesn’t come into it. Period.

  • George

    Willowfield,

    The only time it was referred to as “Southern Ireland” was during the War of Independence when the British envisaged a 26-county state of that name and banned Ireland’s democratically elected parliament – Dáil Éireann.

    In case you didn’t notice, that particular bird never flew. Nobody calls it “Southern Ireland” for that very reason.

    I don’t know why you continue to refuse to accept the name of a neighbouring state.

    The EU refers to the Irish state as Ireland, The UN refers to the Irish state as Ireland, the OECD etc etc.

    Name me one international body or country that uses the term “Southern Ireland”.

    Hell even the British Embassy calls the country “Ireland”.

  • Dec

    Parcifal

    willowfield
    enjoy your pedantry

    It’s not pedantry, it’s lunacy. He comes out with this nonsense every 6 months or so (something to do with Venus’ lunar orbit, I think) and then thankfully disappears back under a bridge somewhere.
    Since Fred Daly was born in 1911 (10 years before partition) he was very clearly an Irishman.

  • willowfield

    PARCIFAL

    enjoy your pedantry.. to the outside world an Irishman won the Open. Southern/Northern doesn’t come into it. Period.

    It obviously came into it for Padraig, as he celebrated, not with an all-Ireland symbol, but with the Southern flag!

    It is significant, surely, that Padraig has become the first player from the Republic (however you wish to describe it) to win the Open (and, indeed, a major). Shouldn’t people from the South be celebrating that achievement?

    GEORGE

    The only time it was referred to as “Southern Ireland” was during the War of Independence when the British envisaged a 26-county state of that name and banned Ireland’s democratically elected parliament – Dáil Éireann.

    Many people today refer to the Republic colloquially as Southern Ireland, or the South.

    The EU refers to the Irish state as Ireland, The UN refers to the Irish state as Ireland, the OECD etc etc.

    Only problem is (and it’s a big one), “Ireland” is misleading as part of Ireland isn’t in the state in question. It would be absurd to say that Harrington is the first player from Ireland to win the Open when he’s not (Fred Daly was) – but he’s the first player from the South/Southern Ireland/Republic of Ireland/whatever. Understand?!

    Name me one international body or country that uses the term “Southern Ireland”.

    I’m unaware of any, nor did I claim that any “international body or country” does. I am not an international body nor a country, nor are the many other individuals who refer to Southern Ireland, nor are the many thousands who understand exactly what they mean when they do so.

    I take it you understand perfectly what I meant; understand that Padraig is the first player from the Republic to win the Open, but are just tediously objecting to the term “Southern Ireland”, on the basis that no “international body or country” uses the term? I hope you object similarly to references to Taiwan and South Korea.

    DEC

    Since Fred Daly was born in 1911 (10 years before partition) he was very clearly an Irishman.

    Um, who claimed he wasn’t??

    Think you’ve missed the point – Daly was the first Irishman to win: Harrington the first Southern Irishman.

  • Hill16FantasticView

    Willowfield,

    By your pedantry, we should refer to all unionists as ‘Northern Irishmen’ instead of British lol

  • parcifal

    willow,
    you gotta do some travelling man, get a fresh perspective. You’re well boxed in with those views
    Dec 😉

  • George

    Willowfield,
    “Many people today refer to the Republic colloquially as Southern Ireland, or the South.”

    “The South” yes, “Southern Ireland” no. Except maybe people with the same political views as your good self.

    Only problem is (and it’s a big one), “Ireland” is misleading as part of Ireland isn’t in the state in question. It would be absurd to say that Harrington is the first player from Ireland to win the Open when he’s not (Fred Daly was) – but he’s the first player from the South/Southern Ireland/Republic of Ireland/whatever. Understand?!

    You seem to be the only one who is confused. Nearly everyone else seems to get by perfectly well with Ireland. Why don’t you check the near 1,500 links in Google News to the event and see if anyone uses “Southern Ireland”. I’ll save you the trouble, they don’t. Not one.

    The Guardian did run with a first golfer from the “Republic of Ireland” angle but even they called him an “Irishman”.

    Rather than living in 1920, maybe you could take a leaf out of Harrington’s book.

    He has no problem calling for the British Open to be held in Ireland (Royal Portrush or Royal County Down).

    He did so today.

    Or should he have followed the Willowfield logic and used “Northern Ireland” because after all it is misleading as part of Ireland isn’t in the state in question?

  • chauncy

    Willowfield, err on the side of being gracious perhaps..and leave the politics out of the golf? Nobody split hairs about Darren Clarke’s provenance when he played at the K-Club-yet only the jackets were rose-tinted and perhaps that’s how it should be.. There was no negative discussion of colour or creed among those who travelled to Belfast from all over the island to pay their respects on the occasion of George Best’s funeral..Let it go..

  • Todd

    Why are you guys talking to a Troll, he goes around a few of the blogs spouting his usual rubbish.

  • confused

    Golf is a wonderful game where all players respect one another and honesty is observed in the letter and spirit of the game.
    Unfortunately some folk want to bring politics into the situation.
    It is the tradition that the winner of the Open on his return to his own club flies the Union Flag during the year he holds the Trophy.
    No doubt some people will be looking skyward over the clubhouse where Mr Harrington resides.
    How sad is this.

  • willowfield

    HILL16

    By your pedantry, we should refer to all unionists as ‘Northern Irishmen’ instead of British lol

    Not instead of: as well as.

    And I’m not being pedantic: I made a substantial point about Padraig’s “first”. George et al are being pedantic with their tedious objections to the term Southern Ireland.

    PARCIFAL

    you gotta do some travelling man, get a fresh perspective. You’re well boxed in with those views

    I’ve done plenty of travelling, and the amount of travelling that I do will not alter the fact that Padraig is the first golfer from the Republic to win the Open.

    GEORGE

    “The South” yes, “Southern Ireland” no. Except maybe people with the same political views as your good self.

    Many people do refer to Southern Ireland, quite unambiguously. No-one ever misunderstands what they mean.

    You seem to be the only one who is confused. Nearly everyone else seems to get by perfectly well with Ireland.

    Don’t be ridiculous. Trying to claim that it would not have been confusing to say that “Padraig was the first Irishman in 60 years to win the open and the first ever from Ireland” is nonsensical.

    This is a perfect of example of when the Republic’s “official name” quite clearly is confusing!

    The Guardian did run with a first golfer from the “Republic of Ireland” angle but even they called him an “Irishman”.

    That’s because he is an Irishman! People from the Republic are Irish too!

    Rather than living in 1920, maybe you could take a leaf out of Harrington’s book. He has no problem calling for the British Open to be held in Ireland (Royal Portrush or Royal County Down).
    He did so today.

    Padraig’s welcome call for the Open to be played in Ireland is completely irrelevant. He is still the first golfer from the South to win the Open!

    Or should he have followed the Willowfield logic and used “Northern Ireland” because after all it is misleading as part of Ireland isn’t in the state in question?

    Well, ironically, this illustrates the confusion surrounding the name. If – as you claim – “Ireland” means the 26 counties, then his call is nonsensical. In reality, though, Ireland is the whole island, and therefore his call makes perfect sense.

    CHAUNCY

    Willowfield, err on the side of being gracious perhaps..and leave the politics out of the golf?

    I’m not bringing politics into the golf. It is George et al who are pedantically picking at terminology: not me.

    Nobody split hairs about Darren Clarke’s provenance when he played at the K-Club-yet only the jackets were rose-tinted and perhaps that’s how it should be..

    Sorry? This is completely irrelevant. Darren Clarke’s participation in the most recent Ryder Cup does not change the fact that Padraig was the first golfer from the Republic to win the Open. Why do you not want to recognise his achievement?

    There was no negative discussion of colour or creed among those who travelled to Belfast from all over the island to pay their respects on the occasion of George Best’s funeral..Let it go..

    Why would there be? What on earth are you going on about? People travelling to Belfast for Best’s funeral has nothing to do with Padraig Harrington being the first golfer from the Republic to win the Open!

    CONFUSED

    Golf is a wonderful game where all players respect one another and honesty is observed in the letter and spirit of the game. Unfortunately some folk want to bring politics into the situation.

    Couldn’t agree more. George et al pouncing on my comment just because they don’t like the terminology was pathetic.

  • chauncy

    Willowfield,
    Your original comment was as provocative as it was complimentary. Your contributions since have been disingenuous at best – I’m going to continue to listen to Padraig Harrington on RTE now, and to other contributors commenting on his play. (Noone has yet used the term ‘Southern Ireland’).

  • chasin’ moonbeams

    Oh Dear, soccer, Rugby, GAA, tiddleywinks-now even golf isn’t safe from Willowfield’s acerbic eye.

    What next? Maybe Horse-racing and the fact that there can be no longer be such a thing as an ‘irish’ winner at Cheltenham, anymore. Rather there will only be official recognition given to ‘Northern Ireland’ nags.(preferably a white horse).

    Punters from Northern Ireland will be denied permission by Willowfield to back a horse fronm the ‘other’ foreign part of Ireland as this would be giving undue credence and recognition to a horse with hostile intent on occupying a British stable.

    GIDDY-UP WILLOWFIELD!!!

  • tom

    chasin’

    Very good 🙂

  • willowfield

    CHAUNCY

    Your original comment was as provocative as it was complimentary.

    It wasn’t “provocative”: I was merely pointing out the significance of Harrington being the first Southern Irishman (sorry, person from the state officially known as “Ireland”, but not actually covering the whole of Ireland) to win the Open.

    Your contributions since have been disingenuous at best …

    How?

    CHASIN’ MOONBEAMS

    What next? Maybe Horse-racing and the fact that there can be no longer be such a thing as an ‘irish’ winner at Cheltenham, anymore.

    Why not?

    Rather there will only be official recognition given to ‘Northern Ireland’ nags.(preferably a white horse).

    Er, Northern Ireland nags would be Irish!

    Punters from Northern Ireland will be denied permission by Willowfield to back a horse fronm the ‘other’ foreign part of Ireland as this would be giving undue credence and recognition to a horse with hostile intent on occupying a British stable.

    What?

    You’ve clearly missed the point completely. I have no objection to Padraig, or anyone else from Ireland, being described as Irish or an Irishman!

    George and others, though, have a problem with identifying Padraig as being from the South.

  • Cahal

    “Many people do refer to Southern Ireland, quite unambiguously. No-one ever misunderstands what they mean. ”

    People call the south “Southern Ireland”? Thats news to me.

    My parents call it the Free State, more out of habit than any kind of malice.

    “George and others, though, have a problem with identifying Padraig as being from the South. ”

    Do people born in the south identify with “being from the south”? I think they just identify as being plain old Irish like the rest of us.

    And they can call the state whatever they want – that’s the freedom which comes with being a real country, not a quasi-colony. If you want to change the name of the north, I’m afraid you’ll have to ask somebody in England.

  • sammaguire

    I’m from Dublin. If someone mentions “Southern Ireland” to me I take it to mean Cork and Kerry. Padraig Harrington and Rory McIlroy are Irishmen because they come from the island of Ireland. Not very complicated really unless you want it to be.
    Anyway congrats to both of them. Well done!

  • Cruimh

    “Padraig Harrington and Rory McIlroy are Irishmen because they come from the island of Ireland. Not very complicated really unless you want it to be.”

    And of course, as Ireland is one of the British Isles, by the same reasoning Padraig Harrington and Rory McIlroy are both British 🙂 Not very complicated really unless you want it to be !

  • Gréagóir O’ Franclín

    Gas how an achievement in a sporting event turns into the usual bickering and heckling regarding tribal allegiance. Kinda a bit tiresome and juvenile given the new climate of goodwill and optimism in NI among the political folk.

  • willowfield

    CAHAL

    Do people born in the south identify with “being from the south”? I think they just identify as being plain old Irish like the rest of us.

    That doesn’t alter the fact that Padraig is the first golfer from the Republic to win the Open! A significant achievement.

    SAMMAGUIRE

    Padraig Harrington and Rory McIlroy are Irishmen because they come from the island of Ireland. Not very complicated really unless you want it to be.

    Of course Padraig and Rory are Irishmen because they come from the island of Ireland (although, according to George, Rory doesn’t actually come from Ireland, because Ireland means the Republic!).

    Padraig comes from the Republic (the South) and Rory from the North. Padraig is the first (and only) golfer from the South to win the Open. Fred Daly was the first (and only) golfer from the North to win the Open. Not very complicated really unless you want it to be.

    GREAGOIR

    Gas how an achievement in a sporting event turns into the usual bickering and heckling regarding tribal allegiance. Kinda a bit tiresome and juvenile given the new climate of goodwill and optimism in NI among the political folk.

    Couldn’t agree more, Greagoir.

  • willowfield

    Do people born in the south identify with “being from the south”? I think they just identify as being plain old Irish like the rest of us.

    Well, Padraig celebrated with the Southern flag. He was identifying with being from the Republic (known to many up here as the South).

  • Alan Anderson

    An Epic battle og golf, truly magnificant accievments on both McIroys and Harringtons behalf . Im not a golf fan but the British Open would defo make me more interested in the game. Maybe Willo, Harrinton was the first winner from Leinster? and Daly first Ulster winner? does that suit as an accomodation?
    And McIroys silver medal encoragement for young golfers across Ireland and beyond.

    True legends, maybe it would be time to think about building an All-Ireland sports institute in the middle of the country to celebrate the sports that celebrate all of Ireland- Golf-Rugby- Cricket-Athletics-Hockey-GAA etc.

    Lets face it together were better recent achievments of United sports prove that once politics is left for the cretins and thugs and the sport is left to achievers, Ireland (geographic) is doing much better as a whole.

    Well done boy from Down and Dublin, Next up is IRFU in France Come on lads!!!

  • Alan Anderson

    And to answer any whingers that cry foul what about soccer, listen to each set FAI and IFA fans booing Celtic and Rangers players , imbiciles hate to tell them they are as british as eachother, save the plastic paddyness.

    Both organisations only interested in being slightly less mediocre than the other, I dont care if soccer is IFA or FAI but an attitude that wanted to win and be as best as it can, thats what either organisation would need to recieve my support.

    Anyway fair play McIlroy and Harrington, following in the long tradition of sucessfull All Ireland sports men.

  • Let me guess Alan your idea of an All-Ireland team would involve playing the Soldier Song at events and flying the tri-colour, hardly welcoming for those of a unionist persuasion.

  • willowfield

    Alan says leave politics out of sport and then proceeds to demand the dismantling of the NI and ROI football teams to suit his all-Ireland agenda!

    McIlroy and Harrington competed as individuals at the Open. Their success or otherwise is completely unrelated to whether or not golf in Ireland is organised on an all-island basis, or whether they compete separately for NI or ROI.

    Ironically, at the Open, Harrington and McIlroy were attributed as being from ROI and NI respectively, so by your own logic this should mean that there should always be two Irish sports teams!

  • Alan Anderson

    You know little of me gentlemen, obviously the tired political symbols with which you are facinated would need to be reviewed. But I certainly would advocate a search for suitable alternative that represented Ireland and all its peoples.

    Pounder your assumpions are rubish.

    Willo BBCs coverage showed two different flags(which BBC do) but both are members of GUI-Golfing Union of Ireland.

    I have no interest in symbolisim my country is Ireland and when it comes to sport and indeed all areas all Irishmen (ulster, connacht, munster and eh the other one thats chokes in rugby)should put there best foot forward, so to speak.

    I support Humphries and Best like I support the Antrim hurling team like I support Harrinton, and Bray, like I support all Irish people, regardless of sport regardless of pathetic symbolisim.

    But i will not follow the IFA-FAIs celebration of mediocrity- i do not see that as biggoted or sectarian, can you?

  • willowfield

    You claim you follow Irish sport, yet you refuse to support the NI and ROI football teams because they are not organised on an all-Ireland basis. That would appear to be bigoted or sectarian, yes.

    And, funnily enough, many people in NI consider their country to be NI.

  • Alan Anderson

    Willo, you do seem to be confused about celebrating all irish sport on a non national basis, dont you?

    I refuse to give IFA-FAI as I have shared already they are celebrations of mediocrity it has nothing to do with sectrarian how pray is that sectarian? While currently sporting an Irish cricket top……………. cretin

    Are you one of these “ulster nationalist” head the balls?

  • Cruimh

    “cretin ”

    C’mon alan – be nice.

  • Alan Anderson

    My apologies about cretin but i will not be painted green or orange by a “know it all” that knows nothing. Uber nationalist types hell bent on people working against rather than together.

  • Cruimh

    Alan- I think you were unfortunate – Willow has taken a fair bit of stick on this thread and let his usual standards slip.

  • willowfield

    ALAN

    I’ll ignore your resort to name-calling.

    I am not confused at all. You claim to love sport yet you reject football on the grounds that it is not politically organised to your liking. That is sectarian because your decision is based on your political preferences.

    I am not an “Ulster nationalist”.

  • Alan Anderson

    Can you read alight?

    I reject the IFA-FAI on their mediocrity and there apparent happiness at that level.

    There is no reference to any political goal in that statement is there?

    Ok so a protestant, cricket and rugby fan from belfast is sectarian because he does not support the soccer federations because they are happy with under achieving?

    Your right willo, dead right with that one.
    You dont need anyone to call you “names” your logic makes it painfully obvious .

  • willowfield

    ALAN

    I reject the IFA-FAI on their mediocrity and there apparent happiness at that level. There is no reference to any political goal in that statement is there?

    You’re being disingenuous, implying that your rejection is based on alleged mediocrity rather than the fact that they are not organised on an all-Ireland basis.

    Ok so a protestant, cricket and rugby fan from belfast is sectarian because he does not support the soccer federations because they are happy with under achieving?

    See above. You’re being disingenuous. Football has a wonderful heritage in Ireland (especially in NI) and both teams have achieved a great deal more competing on a global stage than rugby, for example, has competing in a restricted field of ten or a dozen serious countries.

  • Alan Anderson

    You believe me to be disingenuous because i do not conform to your “tradional” nationalist theories of Green V Orange? must be pwod v taig? Very 1920’s … tut tut.

    You know as well as I do that the fantastic Ifa team of early 80’s combined with those representing the FAI at that time would be fantastic however thats an aside.

    Yes both associations are pathetic relying on scraps from (english) FA and SFA i believe with our soccer loving population, catchment area infrastructures, economies etc would indicate that we should be achieving thereabouts as much as the KNVB(Netherlands).

    The failure of both organisations is based on their bias, my bias simply is that i dont care if soccer is played by the IFA or FAI, but I do care that neither association has the hunger to win.

    Futhermore in relation to one of IFA greatest players the man gave himself an early grave, rejecting his chance to live, i for one do not believe a substance abuser should be reviered by any one.

    Im not prepared to discuss any longer this sport willo, do try to accept another view as being as valid as yours tho.

  • willowfield

    You believe me to be disingenuous because i do not conform to your “tradional” nationalist theories of Green V Orange?

    No. Because you offer disingenuous reasons for refusing to support the only sport listed that is not organised on an all-Ireland basis.

    If you are merely looking for a bigger pool to choose from why don’t you advocate all-British-Isles teams?

    Yes both associations are pathetic relying on scraps from (english) FA and SFA i believe with our soccer loving population, catchment area infrastructures, economies etc would indicate that we should be achieving thereabouts as much as the KNVB(Netherlands).

    Hardly. The Netherlands has a population of 16 million (more than 2.5 times that of Ireland) and I believe more registered footballers per capita than any other country.

    Ireland, on the other hand, has a weak football tradition in the south and west, where Gaelic sports are the main sports.

    The failure of both organisations is based on their bias, my bias simply is that i dont care if soccer is played by the IFA or FAI, but I do care that neither association has the hunger to win.

    The achievements of both the ROI and NI teams would suggest otherwise.

  • chauncy

    Willo.
    ‘Ireland, on the other hand, has a weak football tradition in the south and west, where Gaelic sports are the main sports’.

    Try running that statement past a Kerry Gaelic footballer…

    Keep picking…your way carefully through..

  • sammaguire

    Chauncy,that quote reminds me of the guy on Sky who informed us with a straight face that the Ireland Wales (Soccer) game was to be the first Football game to be played at Croker!! Life would be so much duller without these cultural differences! Like the guy fron the Daily Mirror who was sent to Clones to preview a Barry McGuigan fight. The poor guy nearly did his head in trying to cope with the fact that the place was in Ulster but not in NI!!

  • Seamus Barton

    All

    your collective narrowmindedness in the face of the brilliance of a fellow islander is limitless and appalling. My only gripe with aul’ Podge is that he is (or at least sounds like) a skobie northsider, but then again, at least he is not a culchie. Sadly, not everyone can be a Southsider.

    While I am deigning to be with you saddos, here is the South Dublin (and therefore definitive) guide to Irishness:

    An Irishman wears dubes, enjoys a range of sports including rugby and other pastimes including bogball (because it involves beating culchies and blue suits me) and soccer, he owns at least three foreign properties, wears a Rolex and is from one of the following Dublin postcodes: 2, 4, 6, 14, 16 or 18. D3 might just about scrape it, but I really do doubt it.

    The country is a place where you might go for a weekend and you might potentially have some relatives (I do not, for the record. I am proud of this, for it makes me inherently superior to you people who speak of such tedium as “lads” and “craic”).

    I know nothing of Belfast or Northern Ireland, except, and solely limited, to the extent that I made a solid killing out of a few houses there. The North is full of bitterness and is sodden with rain and drink. It feels far more foreign to us than pretty much anywhere else I have ever been, and that includes Beijing and Cork.

    Seamus

  • sammaguire

    Jeez, I was referring to the cultural differences between nationalists and unionists/British not between us Southsiders! Podge and myself are culchies on the parentage rule (his father being the great Paddy Harrington who played for Cork at corner back). For the stereotypical Southside West Brit (OK I know you’re joking) I think Seamus is an inappropriate name (a bit too Northern and a bit too bogger). How about Ross??

  • corb lund

    Seamus Barton- “The North is full of bitterness and is sodden with rain and drink”

    I’m ok with the rain and drink, but we’re not all as bad as the previous few pages of posts make out!

  • 7 of 9

    The Tricolour is the flag of northern Ireland.

  • Bigger Picture

    Why would we want a united Ireland football team?? Look how well NI and the ROI are doing and the competition it breeds that can only be better for sport in both countries. Dismantle all all-Ireland teams and let competition and talent emerge.

    Clarke, McIlroy and McDowell all play under Northern Ireland or NIR in golf lingo.

    Northern Ireland consistently ranked above ROI at different times during the year.

    Football teams consistently crap all over.

    Ireland no rugby success worth noting in recent history – Ulster European Cup winners

    So the question to ask is why on earth would a country tie itself in with another country and see talent stiffled??

    To be honest it doesn’t even require any political thought, common sense lads!!

  • Dec

    Ireland no rugby success worth noting in recent history – Ulster European Cup winners,/i>

    Em, Munster in 2006?

    I’ve glossed over the rest of your post which pretty much goes: we don’t need each other since we’re doing so well; hold on, we’re sh*t at everything; we don’t need each other as we’ll stifle (the presumably) talent.

  • Christ on a stick this is a dreary, awful thread.

    Anyway, belated congratulations to Harrington and McIlroy. They made this year’s Open the most compelling for a long number of years.

    Hopefully if the latter can fulfill his potential, we’ll not have to wait for another 60 years for an Irish winner and Rory can bring the Claret Jug back to Northern Ireland.

  • Bigger Picture

    I wouldn’t call the NI football team sh*t, above the Reps and wins over England, Spain and Sweden all consistent World cup teams. The NI football team has come on leaps and bounds and i doubt whether certain players would have got the chance to promote themselves if they had been given an opportunity with NI eg Steve Davis, David Healy, Chris Baird, Johnny Evans, Kyle Lafferty, Chris Brunt.

    These sportsmen have developed and with a good sport ethos in the future this can only help. A republic based all Ireland team would be no good for any spoting talent in NI. Keep them seperate and try and bring sportsmen to the fore.

    ps I know we are crap at most things but providing more sporting opportunities will only try and solve this rather than lumping it all together.

  • sammaguire

    “A republic based all Ireland team”
    As one who would favour an All Ireland team I would have no problem having every second home match on your side of the border. You’d have to build a decent stadium (50,000ish capacity) up there though. Sport is great for bringing people together who wouldn’t normally socialise together and helps people to break down barriers and prejudices. That’s what I like about the Ireland rugby team.

  • willowfield

    Note to George, who claims no-one uses the term Southern Ireland.

    In yesterday”s articles about the Gaelic language in the Irish News and Belfast Telegraph, none other than Gerry Adams referred to Southern Ireland, when contrasting the legislative situation North and South!

  • 7 of 9

    Gerry Adams is an ignorant nordie so that is what you would expect from him!

  • WindsorRocker

    Hate the way people look to Irish Golf and say “There’s another example of an independent 32 county Irish entity doing well”.

    Like Rugby,Cricket and Hockey, Golf has kept the same structures right from the formation of the sports over a century ago. i.e. Pre-partition but ALSO pre-26-county-independence.

    The Irish amateur golf team still plays in the “HOME Internationals” against England, Scotland and Wales. The best Irish golfers play in the Walker Cup for “Great Britain and Ireland”.
    While in amateur golf, Ireland is still one entity, it is undoubtedly in an East-West context rather than an independent enitity on it’s own.

    Professional golf does distinguish between NI and ROI when it attributes nationality, but if you looked at some of the listings (BBC etc..) it actually says under nationality “GB & Ire unless stated” so even they lump all of the people of these islands together when giving them a locational identity.

    All the people looking up to Rugby, Golf etc as great models of an all ireland indpendent team would need to take their blinkers off and realise that those sports treat all Irishmen to be as British as people from Scotland, Wales and England.

  • Fr Larry Duff

    “All the people looking up to Rugby, Golf etc as great models of an all ireland indpendent team would need to take their blinkers off and realise that those sports treat all Irishmen to be as British as people from Scotland, Wales and England.”

    Obviously another dyed-in-the-wool GAA man!