The butterfly effect..

Just possibly.. possibly.. the reluctance of District Councils to take action against clearly illegal bonfires – in terms of the materials being used if nothing else [phallic symbols aside – Ed] – could be due to the reluctance of the police to take action in clearer examples of criminal activity.. Not that the situations could be connected at all.. Not while The Process™ continues.. And an earlier post that seems pertinent – “Either there is law or no law. That is the basis of a civilised society”. Adds I should probably also point to the ubiquitous “community” label.

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  • joeCanuck

    ” “Either there is law or no law. That is the basis of a civilised society”.”

    True Pete but we are still in the process of moving away from an uncivilized society.
    Show a little optimism – we are moving ever so slowly forward.
    Regards

  • Fed up

    How would you go about reporting Belfast City Council’s Environmental Health Department for failing to ensure tyres aren’t burnt. Have they ordered land owners to remove them? Asked the polic for assistance?

    I thought Friends of the Earth won their case in Europe against the Northern Ireland Executive about Planning. Can they not take some action on these bonfires?

  • Pete Baker

    joeC

    Ah.. The Processâ„¢..

    Sshhh!

  • heck

    ” “Either there is law or no law. That is the basis of a civilised society”.”

    I could’nt agree more. There is no law. The governments refusal to take action against those who organized and planned the murder of Pat Funuciane proves the point. compared to this refusing to take action against illegal bonefires in trivial.

    Remember the idea of the law is to constrain the state not the citizenry. “Policing” is about constraining the public. Sadam Hussein, hitler and stalin all had policing and they all had order. Until “the law” is enforced against the state then “there is no law”.

  • carloblancos

    The bonfire on the Outer Ring is a disgrace. And, as usual in NI, it’ll be the ratepaying silent majority (few of whom live in that estate I’d wager) will end up footing the bill for the damage to the road.

    Why is it too much to expect the council and the police to go in and remove the bonfire and make it bloody clear where it can be built and what materials can be included next year?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Carlo,

    If you tried to remove a bonfire, there’d be a riot. After the riot, you’d have unionist politicians writing to the Chief Constable complaining about the police being heavy handed. You can’t win.

  • willis

    Let’s face it, if the tyres and pallets had been properly re-cycled you couldn’t burn them. Where did all those tyres come from?

    Cut off the supply and the addicts have nothing to smoke!

  • joeCanuck

    You don’t think an unscrupulous garage would be offloading them Willis?

  • Sean

    CS
    and since they would be rioting in their own areas and destroying their own homes……whats the problem. Seal off the area let them riot themselves out and lets see what happens next year? Maybe their mommies and daddies won’t let them build a giant environmental dissaster.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Willis,

    When you buy a new tyre, the price includes a fee levied for disposing of your own tyre. I’d be willing to bet that some garage operator, rather than paying to have his stock of old tyres disposed of, has handed them over to the bonfire builders and pocketed the cash.

    Sean,

    and since they would be rioting in their own areas and destroying their own homes……whats the problem.

    You may be disappointed to find that I don’t agree with your sectarian tribal attitudes. Is this what unionist outreach is supposed to be ?

    People in the vicinity of the bonfires do not agree with them but are intimidated out of speaking out.

  • frustated

    Why not just send a big bulldozer in at teatime to demolish the bloody thing if there are tyres in it. I don’t so much mind the fire but they know the tyres are illegal so stuff them.

  • Sean

    comrade stalin
    I know that but as long as the animals run the street, then the street is run by animals. I only propose it as a way to open eyes and maybe, just maybe, make some people see the light. this is not a problem of one community or the other but of both. And requires a solution from both communities

  • Nevin

    “And requires a solution from both communities”

    How would this work, Sean? Some of these ‘animals’ are in government here and, as I said on another thread, are in ‘good standing’ with London, Dublin and President McAleese. Who is going to put their head above the parapet in communities where loyalist and/or republican paramilitaries rule the roost?

  • Comrade Stalin

    I know that but as long as the animals run the street, then the street is run by animals. I only propose it as a way to open eyes and maybe, just maybe, make some people see the light. this is not a problem of one community or the other but of both. And requires a solution from both communities

    Sean, the solution is the rule of law. The chuckies are at least making an effort in this area. The unionists are not.

    frustrated, I’d send in the bulldozer at 9am, before the workshy scum (whom I observed spending their unemployed days building the bonfire) have got up out of bed.

  • Sean

    Maybe for once they could use the army to do some good in nIreland