From Rebels and Bandits to Criminals and Hoods

It’s no coincidence that Adams publicly met with PSNI Chief Constable Hugh Orde in Ballymurphy, known as a hotspot of the Troubles and where Adams’ Provisional career began. The symbolism of that shouldn’t escape anyone. Hot on the heels of the release of Operation Banner, the British Army’s take on how they neutralised the IRA, Conor Murphy, MP, is calling for the PSNI to crackdown on crime in Crossmaglen. It appears the choreography of Sinn Fein endorsement of the police is to pick off the symbolic areas of resistance one by one. Any wagers where next?

They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I’m coming now, I’m coming to reward them
First we take Ballymurphy, then we take Crossmaglen

  • heck

    what crime in crossmaglen? I’ve been there and I felt safe.

    has anyone thought of sending adams and murphy a copy of orwell’s animal farm?

  • Sam Flanagan

    DLA fraud by black taxi drivers!

  • Dewi

    What’s yout point RN ? Should the local MP not talk to the Police ?

  • Sean Graham’s Bookies

    You couldn’t make up this stuff if you tried. What a sell out of Michael McVerry and the fighting men of Crossmaglen. Things get murkier and murkier. Will old man Carragher be wheeled out again to rub stamp this latest victory? What about hte old line that the peelers use crime to recruit touts? Or are the ooks full? Too many touts, too few Republicans, even in South Armagh. This is may not be the biggest sell out in Irish history. It is certainly the most blatant.

  • Dewi

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWAeCpA3ts

    Is that young man Carragher decommissioning SGB ?

    Get what you want peacefully and without provoking violence from the other side.

  • Dewi

    Sorry – this one

    [Try to avoid over-lengthy URLs – edited moderator]

  • Dewi

    Sorry

  • Cruimh

    If an area is lawless, does that mean there is no crime ?

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Just sitting in South Derry Lads waiting for Martin McGuinness to instruct PSNI/RUC to round up all the loacl Provos who carry out the following:-

    (1). Deisel Laundering

    (2). Forging

    (3). Smuggling

    and the list goes on!

    Probably not enough cells in Maghera or Magherafelt!

    Maybe the Provo police will do their own round up – AREN’T THEY DOING EVERYTHING ELSE THE BRITS ASK OF THEM!

    MAYBE MR MURPHY COULD GET THE SLAB TO FINGER ALL SUSPECTS AS HE SUPPLIED MOST OF THEM!

    SHAME ON THE SHINNERS – ISN’T THESE ACTS GONNA GET US A 2016 UNITED IRELAND!

  • heck

    Deisel Laundering
    Forging
    Smuggling
    doing the double

    all victimless crimes which deprive Honest Tony’s (and now boring Gordon’s) war machine of funds to go bomb the f*** out of iraq.

  • what crime in crossmaglen? I’ve been there and I felt safe.

    Oh that’s all right then, we’ll just tell the people of Cross not to be so silly as you felt safe when ever you visited there. Sure what would they know, they only live in the place!

    Were you there last week when a man had his widscreen smashed and his head smashed in because he dared ask one of these thugs to move and let him past?

    Were you there at two and three in the morning when they were joyriding around the square?

    Where you at the public meeting last week when 250 residents turned up to voice their anger and disgust at the current problems with anti-social behaviour?

    Where you there to hear compliants by shopkeepers and publicans who have seen their trade plummet as people are afraid to come into Cross at night?

    This weeks front page of the Examiner, the local paper in South Armagh which is based in Cross, has this on it’s front page this week.

    Are they just making it up as part of the whole Sinn Féin conspiracy? Before you answer you should know, you wouldn’t already as you are not from the area, that the Examiner is not a Sinn Féin friendly paper by any manner of means.

    A rally has been orgainsed for this Friday at 9pm in order for local people to express their disgust at this tiny minority of thugs and to show them that their activities are unacceptable.

    The same usual old shite from some people on this thread, never let the truth get in the way of an anti-Sinn Féin rant, eh boys??

  • DK

    Heck: “Deisel Laundering
    Forging
    Smuggling
    doing the double

    all victimless crimes”

    I suppose it falls to me to point out the obvious that these are not victimless crimes. The first 3 are in direct competition with legitimate business. I suppose a family owned garage going bankrupt doesn’t count as a victim Heck. The first is unregulated and leads to toxins everywhere. I suppose the child with cancer from playing in the polluted stream isn’t a victim either Heck.

    Finally, that they all deprive the exchequer of money for the war on Iraq. Maybe they do, but they also deny money for everything else the exchequer spends money on, like hospitals, schools, the environment, social services. So, when the hospital cannot afford a bed for a patient, I guess they’re not a victim either Heck.

    And just who is winning from the above illegal activities: the fat cat smuggler, and the immoral consumer. I didn’t think that you’d support such unrestrained capitalism Heck, but then that is typical of the modern left – forget any ideals if you can pretend to put the boot into Bush/Blair/Israel.

  • Chris,

    You are totally right. It’s the usual array of suspects taking anything positive by Sinn Fein and using it to lambast them.

    Its laughable and totally ironic to hear Rusty Nail and others constantly talk about Sinn Fein sell-outs when one looks at the almost incredulous u-turns perpetrated by Ian Paisley and The DUP. ie ditching just about every single manifesto committment that they have made in the past decade. Where are all the lead threads on that…?

    I welcome the moves by both SF and the DUP to return this society to normality and offer some sort of decent shared future. Sinn Fein are a bona fide. courageous and visionary Irish Republican Party and their commitment to the acheivement of the re-unification of this island remains unbowed and unbroken…

  • Manus Sweeny

    As I gazed at the photograph of Gerry Adams and Hugh Orde sitting at the table together in the Whiterock Leisure centre it reminded me of a scene described by George Orwell in the last chapter of Animal Farm. I recently re-read this book and was blown away by how apt the story was in relation to the latest developments within the republican movement.

    The scene was of the animals looking through the window of the farm house. Gathering around the table were the enemy humans from surrounding farms and then entered the leader of animal farm napoleon (Gerry Adams) walking upright on two legs laughing, joking and drinking with the enemy. This was a breach of the commandments/constitution agreed by the citizens of the farm. In Animal Farm with each breach came the changing of the commandments/ constitution to suit the covert agenda of their leader.

    The farm began with the commandment ‘all animals are equal’, but by the end the leaders of the farm were claiming all the apples and milk and sleeping on beds inside the farm house which had been off limits not to mention doing business with the enemy. All the while their comrades who had fought in the struggle were rationing their food and sleeping in the cold damp barn.

    Then came the change to the commandments, it read ‘all animals are equal but some are more equal than others’. When locally you hear all the stories of holiday homes and opulent wealth the similarities are striking.

    This leads me to the question, ‘for what died the sons of Róisín was it greed? Was it greed that drove Wolfe Tone to a pauper’s death in a cell of cold wet stone? For what died the sons of Róisín was it greed?’

  • DK

    “For what died the sons of Róisín was it greed?”

    Indeed – the republican survivors on one side are now in government with lots of money; and their republican opponents on the other side are now in the black economy with lots of money. Bad luck if you got killed, but at least you helped set up some damn profitable political and/or smuggling careers. Is that what republicanism was actually about all along – seems more like a cult.

  • DK.

    You’re talking total b**llocks I’m afraid…

    “Lots of money”??

    Sinn Fein are the only party in The entire Assemmbly who do not accept a full wage. A large percentage of all their salaries goes back to the party. ie a clear and demonstrable commitment to their party’s idealogy and principles.

    DK,

    You frequently come on here and make lots of generalised points attacking anyone and everyone. The one thing that always seems to be missing though are your own actual beliefs. ie do you have the courage to state which party you support what your political idealogy is etc…etc…

    It is easy to hide away on blogs like this casually lambasting anything and everything. Its a lot harder to come on here and proclaim and defend what you sincerely believe in…

  • Cruimh

    “Sinn Fein are the only party in The entire Assemmbly who do not accept a full wage.”

    yeah, right.

  • barnshee

    “Were you there last week when a man had his widscreen smashed and his head smashed in because he dared ask one of these thugs to move and let him past?

    Were you there at two and three in the morning when they were joyriding around the square?

    Where you at the public meeting last week when 250 residents turned up to voice their anger and disgust at the current problems with anti-social behaviour?

    Where you there to hear compliants by shopkeepers and publicans who have seen their trade plummet as people are afraid to come into Cross at night?”

    Surely this is just normal south armagh behaviour?? (Like west belfast) who gives a flying fuck as long as it stays there. The areas citizens and representatives have encouraged a disregard for law for generations-its now biting them in the arse?? hahahahahaha–
    PSNI stay out let them stew ot maybe conor could organise another we bomb in his car boot to clear the square?

  • Barnshee,

    Your sectarianism is shining like one of those new 11th night beacons…

    If the PSNI have perviously been so capable, how do you explain the lawlessness in The Tullycarnett’s, BAllybeen’s and Rathcooles’ of this world then…?

  • “I welcome the moves by both SF and the DUP to return this society to normality and offer some sort of decent shared future.”

    Mmm, but surly this is pre-supposing that the north of Ireland is a normal democratic society, which as it is currently constituted it is not. Yes there may be a possibility of giving it a veneer of civilization, but that will not take away how it came into being and is maintained against the wishes of the majority on the island of Ireland.[if anyone doubt this, lets have an all Ireland ballot]

    Even down there, if the police are not arresting hoods there is probably a reason for it, especially if due to the GFA the Provos are also holding back. Could it be so that the local community get so sick of these imbeciles that they demand the PSNI return to their area in force. Thus by so doing neatly slotting the agenda of the British government, the Provos politicos and the PSNI.

    We should not over look the fact that the hoods are behaving like this because they can, and there is the real question for most local people I would guess, might feel there is decommissioning and decommissioning if you get my drift..

    Finally I would just say this, based on my own experience with anti social elements, if the local community is looking to the police to solve their problems then sadly, they will have a long wait, especially if they do not live in a leafy suburb.

  • Cruimh

    Odd- only 18 months ago I remember Adams and SF denying that there was a problem with lawlessness in republican areas in the days when people were urging SF to accept policing.

    Whoops

    Adams hits out at crime comments

    Crime is not rampant, Gerry Adams says

    There is no “rampant crime” in nationalist or republican communities, Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has said.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4572294.stm

    So, was Gerry telling lies ?

  • Probably because the RUC were getting bombed and delimbed and shot after surrendering by the people Gerry and Conor made their fortunes on. Grizzly’s holiday home is worth over $1.5 mill. Spare us the industrial wage crap. Better people than him are being sentenced at The Hague.

  • CTN

    mac re- “Sinn Fein are a bona fide. courageous and visionary Irish Republican Party”

    Maybe up north but in Dublin the criminal assets bureau have stung some of their most high profile members.

    They were conveniently ex-members at the time of the sting but accumulated the loot whilst paid up SF members.

    I am not trying to deliberately get under your skin and believe you are sincere in your regard but different traits attach to this party in different geographical areas…

  • Cruimh

    “Maybe up north but in Dublin the criminal assets bureau have stung some of their most high profile members.

    They were conveniently ex-members at the time of the sting but accumulated the loot whilst paid up SF members.”

    CTN – it’s interesting that they mirror the Workers party so closely.

  • CTN

    What about ye Cru?

    Indeed they would be almost identical if the WP had not broken away first and we had no previous comparator.

    The one difference however Sf’s lack of a universal hard left policy.

    Some SFer’s are more conservative than others whilst the stickies were universally communist.

    This weakness will test SF very much in the short, medium and long term.

  • Cruimh

    “In contrast his comments on Sinn Fein and the issue of policing carry accusations which are untrue and offensive. In addition Mr Reiss throws out unproven claims of lawlessness in nationalist areas. The fact is that the north of Ireland has the second lowest crime rate in Europe It is less than half of the average in Britain. There is no ‘rampant crime’ in nationalist or republican communities. On the contrary the nationalist and republican people are good, decent people who despite not having had a proper police service have remained law abiding. ”

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/news/detail/12473

  • Niall

    Chris,

    I’ve been trying to get information on this story all morning. I found the Examiner’s website but no headlines.

    Is there anyway you could supply me with details of what’s going on??

    – There was always anti-social behavior in Cross, most of it due to drink or theft. In those days though, the threat of being dealt with severely was enough to discourage widespread/escalating anti-social behavior.

  • What do you want to know Niall?

  • andy

    Cruimh
    Surely you realise it could be possible for there NOT to be rampant crime 18 months ago but that there is rampant crime now? 🙂

    A difference with the stickies is that no-one seemed to ask them to give up guns / held to account for their numerous crimes……. essentially with a few exceptions they haven’t been given the scrutiny the provos. Maybe understandable given the passage of time.

    I agree with your scepticism re industrial wage though….

  • Cruimh

    they are such models of ascetic living Andy 😉

  • barnshee

    McS
    “If the PSNI have perviously been so capable, how do you explain the lawlessness in The Tullycarnett’s, BAllybeen’s and Rathcooles’ of this world then…”

    easy same comment with a few changes to proponents???
    Surely this is just normal behaviour?? ( same as south armagh) who gives a flying fuck as long as it stays there. The areas citizens and representatives have encouraged a disregard for law for generations-its now biting them in the arse?? hahahahahaha–
    PSNI stay out let them stew or maybe the uvf could organise another we bomb and clear the area

  • Cruimh

    “or maybe the uvf could organise another we bomb and clear the area ”

    That’s an outrageous comment.

  • heck

    cris

    next time I am in South Armagh I will bring you a copy of Animal Farm, and maybe a DVD (from the local market!!!) of Star Wars. You have surely gone to the dark side.

  • Heck

    Try living in the real world for a change!

  • DK

    Macswinney: “You frequently come on here and make lots of generalised points attacking anyone and everyone. The one thing that always seems to be missing though are your own actual beliefs. ie do you have the courage to state which party you support what your political idealogy is etc…etc…”

    Why should I give you any personal details? So you can put an easy label on me. Or is this some sort of threat. So much for man not ball.

    And you didn’t even bother to address the point: that both the dissidents and the leaders in the republican movement are raking in the cash – that the PBI died for.

  • BogExile

    CATCH 23 –

    (OR, HOW THE NIO FUNDS UPHOLDING THE LAW IN SOUTH ARMAGH)

    PSNI: We want to Police Crossmaglen
    SF: We want you to police Crossmaglen
    Crossmaglen: We want you to police Crossmaglen

    But, there’s a catch!

    Catch 23!

    If everybody wants the Cross to be policed, there’s no need for any police at all as the community are now policing themselves. This will free up the remaining 6 operational PSNI staff not investigating themselves to do more outreach work on BME LGT’s or failing that nick the fuckers for using a phone while driving.

    Problem solved

  • BogExile

    CG: And there was me thinking that the integrity of your quarrel remained intact. Wee Hugh needs people like you..

  • ‘for what died the sons of Róisín was it greed? Was it greed that drove Wolfe Tone to a pauper’s death in a cell of cold wet stone? For what died the sons of Róisín was it greed?’

    For what did Conto sympathisers and other apologists for mass murder write bad poetry? Was it an attempt to sound like Bobby Sands that drove them to inflict this shite on us on websites?

  • And there was me thinking that the integrity of your quarrel remained intact. Wee Hugh needs people like you..

    What are you on about??

    I presented cold hard facts to counter the absolute bullshit being spread about by certain posters on this thread.

  • heck

    real world chris!!

    I suppose Raymond McCreesh died so that SF could invite the RUC to police YOUR real world in South Armagh!!!

  • susan

    I suppose Raymond McCreesh died so that SF could invite the RUC to police YOUR real world in South Armagh!!!

    Posted by heck on Jul 11, 2007 @ 08:21 PM

    heck, why don’t you just record that last post of yours on tape, as a recorded message to play for any frightened pensioners from Cross or Camlough that dial “999” in an emergency? That should sort everything out nicely, at least to your satisfaction.

  • CTN

    I will not be returning to this thread as its exhausted and therefore won’t be able to reply to any replies to my self indulgence.

    Bye for now.

  • latcheeco

    Rights boys we’re runnin out of bad guys and if we don’t have bad guys we can’t be heroes. The people must be made to fear again…go down the list and find some bads guys… Brits- no, cops-no, huns-no, young fellas mm? yes we’ve got it by Jaysus we’ll save the people from the young fells..Brilliant