Linfield are alright Jack

Whether or not the Maze goes ahead or other options it seems Linfield will still be sitting pretty. The IFA signed a 100 year agreement in the 1980’s but apparently failed to include basic opt-out clauses. It may even be a unique agreement:

“…the issue of “termination wasn’t sufficiently addressed”. Dermot Rooney, a specialist commercial negotiator, said that there “wasn’t a precedent” for this type of agreement.”

UPDATE The IFA has decided that today is a good time to start blaming the politicians.

  • Cruimh

    Cromwell – of course there are a few normals,so no disrespect to your mum – and if she looks like Helen Mirren, can I have her phone number ? 🙂 But as for the rest, let’s just say that Norway and Japan would LOVE to find Ballymena adrift in an ocean!

  • RG Cuan

    and if she looks like Helen Mirren, can I have her phone number?

    Cruimh got there before me…

  • Cromwell

    No, but you can have my Dads!

  • Token Dissent

    Yes I have to agree, the people of Ballymena are of nothing compared to the beautiful, well-mannered, drug-free, cosmopolitan city-dwellers of Belfast, Derry, Lisburn and Newry.

    Ballymena Supporter – have you heard much chat in the area about Councillor Armstrong’s suggestion?

  • willowfield

    MACSWINEY

    Your responses say it all and they reflect a total non-acceptance of peoples’s identities here which is the very cornerstone of the agreement.

    Nonsense.

    There are over 350,000 Irish [sic] passport holders in The North [sic]. (official Dail figures) Nationalists subscribe to an all-ireland identity. That is our democratic right, much as it clearly hurts and annoys you both.

    Your answer begs the question: you subscribe to an all-Ireland identity, yet there is no all-Ireland team, there are two teams. So why do you support the team representing that part of Ireland from which you do not come?! (And, indeed why do you obtain a passport from that part of Ireland from which you do not come?)

    The Republic of Ireland team represents and reflects the island as a whole, which is why Staunton (born in Dundalk) made those comments in the first place when he took over.

    Um, it doesn’t – it represents the Republic of Ireland … and the Northern Ireland team represents Northern Ireland!

    HENRY

    The Ireland team represents all parts of the island and this is reflected in the players from Belfast, Derry & Armagh and the support from every part of the country. n.i represents unionism with its english anthem and illegitimate flag and songs

    There is no Ireland team: there are two Ireland teams and neither represents all parts of the island. NI doesn’t have an “english anthem” nor “illegitimate flags and songs”.

  • willowfield

    KENSEI

    Ideologically consistent, surely? An All Ireland team should represent everyone. An NI doesn’t represent me. Not the same at all, pounder.

    That makes no sense. It doesn’t follow that because an all-Ireland team represents everyone in all-Ireland, that a NI team doesn’t represent everyone in NI. In fact, the opposite logic would follow.

  • Sean

    willowfield

    Not if you do not accept the legitimacy of nI

  • Ice-9

    “You cant watch a NI game these days without BBCNI or UTV bizarrely sending news crews up The Falls demanding to know why they dont support Northern Ireland….!”

    Now loathe as I am to enter this little dispute, I think that’s grossly overstating the mark. I’ve never seen this happen and if it did surely it was a one-off sensationalist stunt? (which should have been kept well away from a live sports broadcast in my opinion if it did actually happen).

    If you felt so aggrieved about it I can only assume you followed the available channels for making complaints to broadcasters about such things?

    To say that you can’t watch an NI game on television without seeing this exact stunt replicated each time is ridiculous though.

  • GavBelfast

    It really is scraping the barrel to bring-up this silly BBC NI report where the reporter went onto the Falls Road the day after the Sweden match earlier this year to see if he could find any NI supporters there or people who would put on the shirt.

    It seems to have been prompted by an Irish-speaking guy from the Newry area who phoned Nolan’s show on Radio Ulster to sing “We’re Not Brazil, We’re Northern Ireland” in Irish, and they then filmed him outside an Irish Language class, wearing a NI shirt and singing the song.

    I know NI fans who thought the report was sringe-worthy, too, but, in the whole scheme of things, big deal, it’s hardly something for a predictable source to get all worked-up about. But, then, this IS Tuaisceart na hÉireann we’re talking about.

    😉

  • Billy

    Ziznivy

    “I don’t want a republican near me any more in the pub or in a theatre”

    So all Republicans are terrorists then?

    Does that make all Unionists “loyalist” terrorists then?

    I, like many other Catholics, are Republicans but not supporters of violence.

    Republicanism is an acceptable political aim here, in the UK, or anywhere else as long as it is pursued peacefully.

    For Republican, why don’t you just put Catholic as it’s obvious that is what you really mean?

    Frankly, having stupidly attended NI matches in the 70’s and 80’s, I don’t know why any Catholic would want anything to do with that team and the so-called “GAWA”.

    However, unfortunately for you, the “good old days” of Unionist domination are gone. If “Republicans” want to go to the theatre or the pub or a Rugby match, that’s their right.

    If you have a problem with it – tough shit.

  • Cruimh

    “I, like many other Catholics, are Republicans but not supporters of violence.”

    It’s amazing, now that physical force republicanism has lost, how many cathlics/republicans say that. Have you always felt that way ?

  • Billy

    Cruimh

    Yes.

    From a moral point of view, I have always opposed all violence from any source. Therefore, I was (when I lived in NI) an SDLP supporter as were my family.

    From a political viewpoint, I always felt that politics was clearly the better path to moving towards a UI.

    Personally,I believe that Nationalism has achieved a lot more since the GFA than it did before. Although, we could have had all this 30 odd years ago at Sunningdale which is the real tragedy.

    I object to Ziznivy implying that all “republicans” are terrorism supporters.

    Are all “Unionists” supporters of “loyalist” violence?

    It’s obvious that Ziznivy really doesn’t want to mix with Nationalists/Catholics. Frankly, I don’t give a shit.

    I’m merely pointing out to him that the “good old days” of Unionist domination are gone. Nationalists are free to go anywhere they like.

    If he doesn’t like it, that’s tough.

  • Cruimh

    “From a moral point of view, I have always opposed all violence from any source. Therefore, I was (when I lived in NI) an SDLP supporter as were my family.”

    Fair enough.

    (Actually, after I hit submit I regretted how I had written that – it came across as far more insulting than you deserved.)

    The nationalist/republican thing interests me though – as all the mainstream nationalist parties want an Irish republic – so to my way of thinking when we use the word republican in our context we are referring to those who approve or did approve of physical force as opposed to constitutional nationalism. And the same applies to Unionism amd Loyalism.

  • roger

    billy

    I wouldn’t bother feeding the cruimh troll

  • Ziznivy

    It was a carelessly put point made in a hurry Billy. I was of course referring to physical force republicans (or ex-physical force republicans) and Shinners in particular. I would have thought the specifics of my previous posts would have made that clear.

  • Cruimh yet again you have hijacked what started out as a decent debate and turned it into a vehicle for your low-grade sectarian views.

    Again, you are asking lots of questions about local political history. Rather than ruin just about every single thread on here, why dont you go to the library or somewhere to imrove your understanding of recent local history. It would be a lot better doing that, than your regular insults to people on here which totally ruin the whole spirit of these threads…

  • Blue Hammer

    Delayed response due to having other things to do: –

    Macswiney: £10-20m will be the cost of buying Linfield out of the contract. Who pays? I don’t give a fuck.

    Pounder: Thanks for the “muppet” insult. Man not ball anyone? As above, I recognise that the dickheads in Windsor Avenue have no cash, but if there’s £500m available for the Terrordome, then some of it can come our way to “ease the way”. Maybe a tame GAA man can be allowed to carry it along an approved route in a bag, and “be relieved of it” as appropriate. Works for GAA tax avoidance.

    Cromwell: I’d be delighted if Linfield won everything forever. Or until some other teams approached our level. We look after ourselves and let the others look after themselves. We reap the benefit of a deal struck by our previosu boards – what should we do, give it up for free as a big magnanimous gesture? Don’t see too many Chelsea fans crying that its so crap that their team has all the money do you?

  • Pounder

    Yeah because Chelsea win the league every year don’t they, oh wait they didn’t this year, and as of next year the top 5 in England can compete with them in money stakes. Hardly a one horse race there now is it.

  • Cruimh

    “Again, you are asking lots of questions about local political history.”

    I wasn’t asking a question. 🙂

    sorry if my refusal to allow you and your mates to perpetuate inaccuracies causes offence.

    Claims such as that the AOH NEVER had political influence will be corrected.

    Don’t be so childish.

  • Blue Hammer

    //Yeah because Chelsea win the league every year don’t they, oh wait they didn’t this year, and as of next year the top 5 in England can compete with them in money stakes. Hardly a one horse race there now is it.

    Posted by Pounder on Jul 11, 2007 @ 09:55 AM //

    Pounder,

    That’s my point exactly. But over the last 5 years it was. Initially Chelsea were easily the biggest of the big money boys. Then others stepped up to the plate. The overall standard has increased.

    Something similar, but on a smaller scale could occur in the IL if Linfield got a big cash injection. The Green Menace from East Belfast may be forced to make a few quid from selling the Hovel and relocating, and Portadown might get more UVF/LVF drugs money.

    All round the IL would be improved, with Linfield just that wee bit bigger and better than the rest – just like now only at a higher standard.

    My basic point remains, Linfield have a binding countract which may be broken by the IFA, but if it does, then they will be well compensated – and who pays that compensation concerns me not one iota.

    As a supporter of Linfield FC, do you think I should advocate that they don’t get anything from the Terrordome development and consequent cancellation of the BINDING contract with the IFA?

  • Pounder

    But surely part of that contract also includes maintaining the ground to a certain standard. Something Linfield has failed to provide, the part of the ground not funded by the IFA are a shambles and the playing surface is akin to that on Ormeau Park. In short the IFA are being forced to break their copntract because Linfield can’t hold up their end.

  • Blue Hammer

    Well that would depend on your view of “maintaining”. The south and railway stands are old wooden structures that were deemed adequate in the past and have been maintained in that condition, and possibly marginally improved. The fact that modern H&S requirements have deemed them to be unsafe reflects an increase in the standards required, rather than a drop in the standard provided.

    This is not a defence of the state of the south & railway stands, but just a clarification of the facts.

    The pitch at Windsor is one of the best in the Irish League. I don’t see where that one is coming from.

    If those dickheads in Windsor Avenue intend to use this argument, I would expect the payout to Linfield to be maintained, and m’learned friends to be much richer as well, both at the IFA’s/Terrordome’s expense.

  • JG

    Did anyone hear Councillor Neil Armstrong on Radio Ulster this morning putting the Ballymena Showgrounds forward as a development site for the national stadium?

    One giant step?

  • saddo

    Am I the only person who goes and watches GAA, Football, and Rugby, and actually enjoys it without thinking too deeply.

    I am tempted to say as rather than than a p— who spends his day writing about it, or is that me?

  • Pounder

    Never been much into Rugby myself, but recently a friend of mine has taken me to a few Gaelic Football games at Casement Park. For £2.00 a pint I’ll definately go back, and the sport itself isn’t too bad to watch either.

    I really don’t see why unionists object to the GAA, near 2 dozen staunch repuclicans knocking seven shades of shit outta each other is surely a good thing in their view?

  • jim

    ‘I really don’t see why unionists object to the GAA, near 2 dozen staunch repuclicans knocking seven shades of shit outta each other is surely a good thing in their view’

    Does that make everyone connected with Glentoran a uvf supporter just because they had a silence for david Ervine ??

  • willowfield

    It is interesting to note that MACSWINEY was unable to explain how, if he subscribes to an all-Ireland identity, in circumstances when there is no all-Ireland team, but rather two teams, he supports the team representing that part of Ireland from which he does NOT come. And, similarly, why he obtains a passport from that part of Ireland from which he does NOT come.

  • Pounder

    Jim are you really suggesting that GAA players aren’t staunch republicans then? David Ervine was an East Belfast MLA and huge supporter of the Glens, he was pro-agreement and worked hard to get Good Friday passed by his electorate. So bringing him into it is a very juvanile piece of whataboutary

  • willowfield

    It is interesting to note that MACSWINEY was unable to explain how, if he subscribes to an all-Ireland identity, in circumstances when there is no all-Ireland team, but rather two teams, he supports the team representing that part of Ireland from which he does NOT come. And, similarly, why he obtains a passport from that part of Ireland from which he does NOT come.

  • Martin

    Willowfield, maybe Macswiney prefers to support a team whose home matches he can watch without feeling intimidated or threatened? Or should I say INTIMIDATED and THREATENED?

  • willowfield

    That still wouldn’t explain why he chooses the ROI over NI.

  • Willowfield,

    I dont reply to imbecelic questions…

  • willowfield

    Maybe not, but you ought to have the intellectual integrity to explain illogical positions, such as why you choose support a team from the South rather than the North, even though you are a Northerner.

    Thus far your explanation for doing so makes no sense: you claim to support ROI because you subscribe to an ALL-Ireland identity, yet (ii) there is no all-Ireland team, there are two teams, and you support the team representing that part of Ireland from which you do NOT come.

  • Ok then Willowfield. Seeing as you are the only person on the blog that doesnt understand, here goes.

    Your premise is based on your political recognition of there being two “Irelands”. (to which you are entitled as a Unionist).

    Despite the political realities of partition Nationalists/Republicans choose to have an all-Ireland identity. (as is their democratic right).

    There are now over 350,000 Irish Passport holders in The North (official Irish Government statistics). The reason for this, is that the Republic of Ireland still recognises people in The North as being Irish citizens. Irish passports are issued automatically to anyone born in Belfast, Derry or Portadown, in the same way as to someone who is born in Wexford, Limerick or Donegal.

    The Republic of Ireland football team represents the identity of people like myself. Hence the reason why thousands of northerners follow ‘our’ team, not only at home but all around the world.

    When our Dundalk-born manager Steven Staunton took over last last year he made the following statement “you are playing for Dundalk and Dingle and Derry and every town and village in Ireland”.

    That is our reality Willowfield. I respect your Unionist beliefs which (in this instance) are manifested in your support for Northern Ireland. Good luck to you.

    Now please respect mine…

  • I should add that Derry born Darren Gibson of MAnchester United (captain of their reserve team and one of their hottest prospects) has recently opted to play for the Republic because (in his own words) “that is my country”.

  • should add that Derry born Darren Gibson of MAnchester United (captain of their reserve team and one of their hottest prospects) has recently opted to play for the Republic because (in his own words) “that is my country

    Mac
    A bit of background information here needed I think.
    Last season, Darron Gibson was playing for Utd’s feeder club in Belgium, FC Antwerp and not the Utd reserves. He obviously then wasn’t the Reserves’ captain; Kieron Lee was.

    He’s also had a rough time with injuries which has resulted in him moving down the (potential) pecking order at Utd. He’s good, very good (and I have actually seen him play live), but the Utd reserves and youth teams are in a very healthy state at the minute, full of *hot prospects* and what with the summer signings, I think it would be probably better for his long term career to move on to another club.

  • north bucket

    mac

    Gibson is only one of a number of young talents from the North playing for the Ireland u21 team.

    Belfast’s Tony Kane (19) is Back at Blackburn after a good six month loan spell in Belgium and has a good chance of breaking into the first team this season and made the bench during a warm up game during the week.

    Lurgan’s Marc Wilson (19) signed a new two year deal with Portsmouth last week and is likely to feature at senior level during the season.

    Derry’s Darron Gibson (19)signed a three & a half year extention to his Man u contract in March and will be pushing for first team experience this year, i would agree with O’Neill about the competition at United, but he’s got to fight for the chance.(Gibson was captain of the United reserve team during the end of the 2005-2006 season and was named United’s young player of the year)

    Derry’s Ruairi Harkin (17) made good progress last term with Crystal Palace and moved up from the academy team to the reserves, the only player to do so during the year.

    Belfast’s Michael O’Connor (19) missed a fair bit of the season through injury but after penning a new 4 year deal with Crewe Last season is likely to progress further.

    All Northern born guys playing for their country, and its hardly surprising that more players are choosing to play for Ireland as they have grown up with their whole communities cheering on & following Ireland during World cup finals etc…

  • Gibson is only one of a number of young talents from the North playing for the Ireland u21 team.

    How many have actually played for the under 21s?

  • north bucket

    ‘How many have actually played for the under 21s?’

    Gibson & Kane both played for the Ireland u21’s against Holland in March. Gibson captained the Irish side.

    Gibson also played in a ‘B’ international against Scotland (as was Derry’s Kevin Deery) and was a member of Staunton’s senior squad for San Marino and retained the place for Wales & Czech’s.

    Kane also played the full 90 for Ireland u21’s in a 2.0 win against Luxemburg and was singled out by u21 Manager Don Givens for his strong display. Marc Wilson also played the second 45 in this game as did Michael O’Connor. O’Connor was also drafted into the squad for the Madeira tournament in march 07.

    Harkin is an Ireland u19 international and was the youngest player in the squad during a recent tri nations competition in Portugal. Derry’s Eugene Ferry was also involved.

  • Thanks north bucket.

    And I’ve just seen this,
    Gibson was captain of the United reserve team during the end of the 2005-2006 season and was named United’s young player of the year)

    So technically Mac was right, although a year late!

  • young newton

    If MacSwiney has such an affinity with Eire, then he would be better going down there to claim his dole money instead of taking the queen’s shilling up here in the UK.

    As for his love of football, once International Foootball is Pay Per View like the Premiership, you’ll soon find that he won’t be able to afford the subscription from his giro and that will be the end of his love affair with the ROI.

  • Seanzmct

    That’s a bit harsh, YN.

  • A N Other

    YN,

    …To quote Stewie from ‘Family Guy’:-

    “Which finishing school did you say you attended again?”

  • willowfield

    MACSWINEY

    Your premise is based on your political recognition of there being two “Irelands”. (to which you are entitled as a Unionist).

    Um, there ARE two Irelands – that is reality! How can you deny this? Even the Provos accept this now.

    Despite the political realities of partition Nationalists/Republicans choose to have an all-Ireland identity. (as is their democratic right).

    Which is precisely why your position is illogical. There is no all-Ireland team, so choosing one Ireland team over another is not going to offer an “all-Ireland identity”. Given that there are 2 teams, why choose the team from that part of Ireland from which you do not come?? Why cheer on a team from the South rather than your fellow Northerners?

    There are now over 350,000 Irish Passport holders in The North (official Irish Government statistics). The reason for this, is that the Republic of Ireland still recognises people in The North as being Irish citizens. Irish passports are issued automatically to anyone born in Belfast, Derry or Portadown, in the same way as to someone who is born in Wexford, Limerick or Donegal.

    Yes, I know, but that doesn’t alter the fact that people from Belfast, Derry or Portadown aren’t from the South – they are obtaining passports from that part of Ireland from which they don’t come. Which, you must admit, is odd.

    The Republic of Ireland football team represents the identity of people like myself.

    But you just said you had an all-Ireland identity! You’re contradicting yourself!

    When our Dundalk-born manager Steven Staunton took over last last year he made the following statement “you are playing for Dundalk and Dingle and Derry and every town and village in Ireland”.
    That is our reality Willowfield.

    So you’re admitting to living in a fantasy world in which the NI team does not exist. You’re in denial?

    I respect your Unionist beliefs which (in this instance) are manifested in your support for Northern Ireland. Good luck to you.

    I support NI because I am from NI. Not because of my “Unionist beliefs”. I also support the Ireland rugby and cricket teams for the same reason. According to you, though, I should not because of my “Unionist beliefs”.

    It is sad that you must project your own political motivations on to others. It is YOU who illogically supports the team from that part of Ireland from which you do not come, and you do so because of political beliefs. You reject your immediate neighbours in favour of people from another part of the island. Why?

    We will never progress in this country while people such as you put divisive and self-indulgent political beliefs above unity and friendship with your fellow Northerners.

  • willowfield

    NORTH BUCKET

    All Northern born guys playing for their country, and its hardly surprising that more players are choosing to play for Ireland [sic] as they have grown up with their whole communities cheering on & following Ireland during World cup finals etc…

    But they’re not playing for their country: they’re playing for ROI – a country they weren’t born in and have never lived in. There is no “Ireland” team. You are in denial, too.

  • vinty

    “There is no “Ireland” team.”

    The women’s international team is organised on an all island basis and includs players from the Shankill Road in Belfast.

    The Ireland university team is organised on an all island basis, and the squad announced this week, includes players from Ballymena & Glentoran.

    The Ireland deaf team, who came third in the recent european championships, is made up of players from all over the island.

    So only some football is segregated.

  • allybo

    Do you include Donegal people within your definition of ‘fellow northerners’, WF,as Donegal people considers themselves to be from the northern part of the island?

    However I’m not so sure that they would be so keen on the British paraphenalia at Windsor , God Save The Queen,Red White and Blue scarves, Union Jacks in the crowd etc.-very inclusive indeed. As are the NI Flags flying alongside UVF Flags in celebration of that cross-community event, The Twelfth. (Still waiting on an IFA response to Alasdair McDonnell’s statement on that one.)

    I think that like a substantial proportion of your ‘fellow northeners’, I ll continue to support THE Irish Football team even if you don’t want me to. The days of Unionists dictating to northern nationalists on what they should and shouldn’t do are over, my friend.-Get used to it.

  • willowfield

    VINTY

    The women’s international team is organised on an all island basis

    It’s not.

    NI women’s team

    ROI women’s team

    The Ireland university team is organised on an all island basis, and the squad announced this week, includes players from Ballymena & Glentoran.

    We’re not discussing the Irish Universities team!

    ALLYBO

    Do you include Donegal people within your definition of ‘fellow northerners’, WF,as Donegal people considers themselves to be from the northern part of the island?

    I should think it should be rather obvious that I’m referring to people from NI! Donegal isn’t in NI.

    However I’m not so sure that they would be so keen on the British paraphenalia at Windsor , God Save The Queen,Red White and Blue scarves, Union Jacks in the crowd etc.-very inclusive indeed.

    If people are more interested in what colour of scarves a couple of dozen people are wearing than in supporting their team, that doesn’t says much about them. I hold such people in the same regard as I do those who wear red-white-and-blue scarves (although you’d be hard-pressed to see many of the latter).

    If people wearing green-white-and-orange scarves and flying Southern tricolours doesn’t put me off supporting the Ireland cricket or rugby teams, then I don’t see why the much smaller numbers who wear red-white-and-blue scarves and fly Union Flags should put you off supporting the NI football team.

    I think that like a substantial proportion of your ‘fellow northeners’, I ll continue to support THE Irish Football team even if you don’t want me to.

    But there are two Irish football teams! You’re completely missing the point! Why support the team from that part of Ireland from which you DON’T come??

    The days of Unionists dictating to northern nationalists on what they should and shouldn’t do are over, my friend.-Get used to it.

    I’m unaware of anyone dictating to anyone else what he or she shouldn’t do. Please stick to the topic. I take it you are also a Northerner who supports the Southern team? Why cheer on Irishmen from the South rather than Irishmen from the North, when you are from the North?? Can’t you see how ridiculous that seems?

  • Realist

    “Donegal isn’t in NI”

    Although the new banner of the Donegal NISC was on view at the Coleraine Showgrounds yesterday – very well it looked too!

  • allybo

    WF,
    Given that the predominant expressions of Irishness involved with the NI team involve the profession of loyalty to a foreign monarch and its anthem and Flag, I think I am on safe enough ground supporting the Irish team that plays under the Irish Anthem and Irish Flag.
    Don’t mind-do you?

  • vinty

    ‘Why cheer on Irishmen from the South rather than Irishmen from the North, when you are from the North??

    Gibson,Wilson,Kane,O’Connor,Harkin, Deery etc are from Belfast,Derry & Lurgan and play for Ireland, so your statement is daft.

    A large proportion of football supporters from the North support Ireland because our national side plays in Dublin. I presume thats why some of the best up & coming talent in the North are playing their international football in the Irish set up.

    The Ireland team has players representing every part of the island and the vast majority of football supporters on the island support the team.

    So its pretty much a team and support from North, South East & West.

  • willowfield

    Given that the predominant expressions of Irishness involved with the NI team involve the profession of loyalty to a foreign monarch and its anthem and Flag, I think I am on safe enough ground supporting the Irish team that plays under the Irish Anthem and Irish Flag.

    Your premise is false: the “predominant expressions of Irishness” are not as you describe. You’ve clearly never even watched a NI game on television – people’s primary interest is creating a fantastic atmosphere and giving 100% support to the team: the Queen has nothing to do with it, nor the profession of “loyalty” to her.

    Your comments, though, referring to “foreign” monarchs and flags, betray a rather nasty attitude and complete disregard and contempt for, and ignorance of, the new dispensation on the island. NI is part of the UK with the consent of the people of both NI and ROI. It makes no sense to refer to “the Irish team” or “the Irish anthem and Irish flag”: there are two teams, two anthems and two flags. The South doesn’t have a monopoly on Irishness – NI is as Irish as the South. You are no less in Ireland in Belfast than in Dublin: no less an Irishman in NI than ROI. Two parts of Ireland, both valid, each different but no less Irish than the other.

    You are apparently more interested in retaining your ethnic hatreds and attitudes of old than joining together with your fellow Northerners in supporting your team. You’d sooner support a team of Southerners rather than your own neighbours. You apparently have a phobia of those of your neighbours whom you don’t consider to be the “right” type of Irish. Nasty stuff.

  • willowfield

    VINTY

    Gibson,Wilson,Kane,O’Connor,Harkin, Deery etc are from Belfast,Derry & Lurgan and play for Ireland [sic], so your statement is daft.

    They don’t play for “Ireland”, since there is no Ireland team! You remain in denial! And I don’t think any of them has even played for ROI. If they did or do, however, they would be playing for the South, not the North, in a team of Southerners, not Northerners, so the question remains: why cheer on Irishmen from the South rather than Irishmen from the North, when you are from the North?? Why won’t you answer?

    If the players that you mention did not play for ROI, would you support NI?

    A large proportion of football supporters from the North support Ireland because our national side plays in Dublin.

    That’s completely nonsensical: (a) nobody supports “Ireland” as there is no Ireland team; (b) the national side for NI plays in Belfast.

    It seems that the only way you can explain your illogical decision is by dishonesty – pretending to yourself that there is only one “Ireland” team.

    The Ireland team has players representing every part of the island and the vast majority of football supporters on the island support the team.

    There is no “Ireland” team: there are two teams and neither team represents every part of the island. The ROI team represents ROI and the NI team represents NI.

    So its [sic] pretty much a team and support from North, South East & West.

    It’s the ROI team, representing ROI! It doesn’t matter how often you pretend otherwise, those are the facts.

  • willowfield

    Still MACSWINEY is unable to provide a rational answer to his illogical position:

    – supports ROI despite being from NI
    – claims this is because he has an “all-Ireland identity”, yet ROI is not an all-Ireland team