The scriptures

To return to this, my colleague has given me some more detail. The panel where Mr Paisley’s image used to grace the Arch, now displays Matthew 16:26:

What shall it profiteth a man if he gaineth the whole world, yet forfeiteth his soul?

Quite.

  • The Watchman

    Good to see the subtle wit in Hillsborough. But Michael, it doesn’t mean they’re turning to Basil just yet.

  • Elsie Mount

    Michael,

    Get your facts right first. The picture of Dr Paisley has been replaced by Dan winter’s cottage.

    The other picture was replaced with the Scripture Text.

    Also your Scripture Text is wrong.

    Matthew 16 v 26 says:

    “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul”

  • Michael Shilliday

    Clearly my course looked up the reference and found it from a different version of the bible.

  • billy.boy

    There are many who have never understood why Paisley and McCrea donned the arch in Magherafelt!
    Then again why not! Who really cares. The OO in the area do not even walk under it.
    Althought it does brighten up the street in the evening.
    Is this arch insured and who is responsible if it falls on anyone – Can Paisley and McCrea sue if they where injured when falling from grace off the arch.

  • Comrade Stalin

    They should put a picture of Billy Wright next to the picture of McCrea. He’d be right at home there.

  • Reader

    Elsie Mount is quoting from the King James version (Which I think is the only version accepted by the FreePs). Other denominations have a bit more latitude in choosing translations, I think.
    Michael – is the whole verse quoted on the panel, or just the reference to the verse?

  • martin walker

    The AV Version is
    For what shall it profit a man if he ains the whole world and looses his own soul or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul

    In Pope Lundys own words he has sowed the wind and will reap the whirlwind

    He should remember the scripture text evil and wicked men shall not see out their days. May the Lord take him rather than him doing 4 years. He should like his former hero ArchBishop Cramner who he quoted in his Strasbourg protest against the AntiChrist put the hand he signed the St Andrews agreement in the fire or cut it off. Better to go to heaven with one hand !

  • billy.boy

    Reader
    I think that those who put the arch in place are all F P’s so I would say that Elsie Mount is right in the quotation and M Shilliday is in this instance wrong!

    How do you think McCrea and Co will spin the removing of pictures from the arch?

    Most people would probably not even notice that pictures have been changed and if they do they will not care. People in Mid Ulster just want peace and are fed up with tribal politics. From what I hear most people who had been anti agreement now realize that they were wrong in their assessment of the situation and are now all on side!

  • billy.boy

    Martin your quote is slightly wrong as well.
    Elsie does have it right althought there are other similar passages and verses found in Luke 9:25 and Mark 8:36

  • jimmyjoe

    Billy Boy
    There is still a large number of anti agreement unionists in Mid Ulster.Millar got over 1200 votes on an anti ticket.Those that have moved over are the DUP turncoats lead by Dr.Lundy McCrea and his son.McCrea also is rumoured to have suspended an elder in his church because he spoke out against the SF/IRA/DUP pact.Will be interesting to read Lundy McCrea’s comments on the removal of his mug from the arch.Might be an idea to replace it a photo of Billy Armstrong mla.

  • The Dubliner

    “What shall it profiteth a man if he gaineth the whole world, yet forfeiteth his soul?”

    He shall profit by ownership of the world and the worms can search for his mystical soul.

    I don’t think gaining that small part of the world known as Northern Ireland was the worth the Devil’s bargain. I’d have insisted on one of the those sun-soaked Caribbean Islands. Get Iraql, however, and you know that you suck at negotiation.

  • billy.boy

    jimmyjoe

    Maybe Billy could pose for this picture at his forth comming fund raiser for prospect house – NO SORRY – AT prospect house!
    I understand that the ticket price is £10 a bit steep – I thought that on his salary and that of his family- sorry I mean office staff – he could at least subsidise the cost.

    I hope he is serving good Ulster beef and not imported beef and I hope that all the produce being consumed on the night is local. Remember Billy support the local economy not the big retailers.

    Is it true that both McCrea MLA’s are providing the cultural entertainment?

  • Elsie Mount

    Billy boy

    Are you sure about the McCrea’s coming to sing at Billys BBQ? Where do I get tickets it would be worth seeing!

    To all you bloggers who sent in blogs re the Arch in Magherafelt.

    The arch looks good now with the new pictures – are there plans to put more scripture texts on, and what is the thinking behind Matt 16 v 26. I await your responses.

  • unionist

    I understand that the elder in McCrea’s church had offered a prayer for the souls of those who had entered government with Sinn Fein. Quite clearly this man had been consummed by Satan who had taken over his mortal soul and could not be allowed to remain in the church to lead others away from the true path. As Dr Paisley has pointed out he has been annointed by God to lead and therefore none can challenge him.

  • unionist

    Which raises an interesting point. Since OFMDFM is a joint office equally shared does that mean the Free P’s believe that God also annointed Martin Maguiness to lead.

  • “I understand that the elder in McCrea’s church had offered a prayer for the souls of those who had entered government with Sinn Fein.”

    He didn’t. He prayed against SF/IRA in government – which is most Scriptural (Romans 13:3).

    “Since OFMDFM is a joint office equally shared does that mean the Free P’s believe that God also anointed Martin McGuiness to lead.”

    As Dr Paisley believes that he is now Pope of Ulster (both religiously and politically) I assume so. After all, it’s a joint pontificate.

    Strange as it may seem, I do know Free Ps who argue that all governments are appointed by God and it is therefore a sin to oppose the current government.

  • Oh, and has anyone seen Upper Bann DUP band?

  • Turgon

    Hason

    “Strange as it may seem, I do know Free Ps who argue that all governments are appointed by God and it is therefore a sin to oppose the current government”

    That is indeed fairly common in some evangelical circles, especially amongst the Brethern but I have also heard it from Presbyterians.

    I know I am biased but I agree with jimmyjoe. Also I suspect there are actually quite a lot more anti agreement unionists than people think. It is very unscientific I know but I know quite a number of people who did not vote as they feared Paisley would sell out but could not face voting McCartney. Also some voted DUP not really believing Paisley would sell out.

    What is needed is a credible anti agreement unionist party. Even if it got relatively few votes initially it would remind the DUP not to abondon its supporters. As I have said before on other threads, remember after the first agreement when everyone was laughing at Paisley and said he was finished because everyone wanted that deal. History could repeat itself.

  • darth rumsfeld

    I hear there’s talk of aa protest in Limavady when McCrea senior mounts the platform on the 12th.

    To be fair, the arch in Magherafelt was looking very silly in recent years, depicting as it did a young firebrand preacher with a full head of hair and a steely gaze towards Calvary and not the sad excuse for a Sinn Fein coalition partner whose stomach seems to have stopped turning

    Let’s hope Billy’s barbeque gets decent weather, and that they let in Ken Maginnis this time.

    Finally, I believe someone may have been stockpiling McCrea family election posters. At this time of year I wonder ehat they are going to be used for?

  • Turgon,

    “It is very unscientific I know but I know quite a number of people who did not vote as they feared Paisley would sell out but could not face voting McCartney. Also some voted DUP not really believing Paisley would sell out.”

    Agreed. I’m in the group that couldn’t face voting McCartney. Plus he was a joke candidate which made the decision easier.

    “What is needed is a credible anti agreement unionist party.”

    Yes. But until that point the condemnation of all politicians will continue on my blog!;)

  • Gréagóir O’ Fránclin

    (Matthew 5.43 – 5.48)

    Maybe the very Reverend Ian, like all good Christians has finally got the message from ‘The Good Book itself.’

  • pia lugum

    Did I hear that Lundy Junior (Ian) is lobbying to receive a cheap American paper Doctorate like his daddy did. That would entitle him to masquerade round Magherafelt as the Big Chief now that Lundy Senior is off to the soft pastures of South Antrim. Will he make the ‘panel’ for next season? Maybe daddy could put in a word for him in this regard!
    I have also been advised that Billy the Buffoon will make a keynote speech at the Old Smokey Ranch on Friday evening praising his Orange brethren for all their patience in helping to sustain his farm and his family over the past 50 years. The Lady Cruella and Princess Forallofus will be by his side as he delivers what is bound to be a very difficult and at times emotional address – Billy says that he really feels that he owes it all to his family membership of the Order.
    All the proceeds are eventually going to be offered to the local District Lodge to allay O/S expenses……

  • Gréagóir O’ Fránclin,

    Matthew 5: 13 is more applicable to Paisley. Last 12th it was “over our dead bodies” 1 John 2:21.

  • Gréagóir O’ Fránclin

    Rather maybe Big Ian is applying Matthew 12:25 to NI.

  • Or Matthew 12:36 and 37 to himself – which bring me back to last 12th.

  • Walter Schellenberg

    ‘Finally, I believe someone may have been stockpiling McCrea family election posters. At this time of year I wonder ehat they are going to be used for?’

    all those election posters are very handy indeed. i have always taken pride in my work, so i think i will cut the faces out and attach them appropriately to an old suit i have stuffed with straw. perhaps with a little effort we may be lucky enough to have a mannequin tea party with the entire dup assembly team on the 11th night.

  • Gréagóir O’ Fránclin

    What yo are really saying then is that big Ian is what Matthew 7:15 implies. Did he DUPe the people then?

  • I believe that Dr P preached the truth in the past and wouldn’t apply that particular verse to him even now. However, it is a matter of public record that P DUPed the people at the last election.

  • Gréagóir O’ Fránclin

    Then perhaps this applies to all at the end of the day ‘Matthew 22:19 – 21’, as Big Ian heeds this Mark 11:24 – 25!

  • O I’m not advocating that we don’t pay our taxes. I just pray that God will remove this government (Romans 13).

    Mark 11:25 makes it clear that we forgive our enemies on the same grounds that God forgives us – Luke 13:3.

  • pioustears

    Jeez, the freaks have really come out on this thread, a weird bunch of posters attracted by a weird blogger – Jesus wept for the future of unionism.

  • Turgon

    Greagoir,

    I would not have a problem with Paisley’s theology (on some things I am more liberal than him) it is the political sell out I have a problem with.

    In terms of your use of Matthew 22:21 your analysis is not the only one.

    These exchanges were between the jewish leaders and Jesus started by Matthew 22:17 “Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?”

    This was a trap for Jesus. Had He said it was not lawful the Romans would have arrested him. Had He said it was lawful He could have lost public support.

    What He said vs 21″They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”

    In Jewish theology everything was God’s. As such God’s rule over rode Ceaser’s even on the coin and to ignore him was lawful if one felt Ceaser’s rule conflicted with God’s law in any way. The Jews knew this and as such Jesus had out manoovered a loaded catch 22 question. Hence vs22 “When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.”

  • darth rumsfeld

    “I have always taken pride in my work, so i think i will cut the faces out and attach them appropriately to an old suit i have stuffed with straw.”

    ..er.. isn’t that how Ian McCrea got elected?

  • jimmyjoe

    “Lets hope Billy uses British beef at his bar-b-q”
    Billy has always supported british industry thats why he drive a merc.
    Just heard that Lundy McCrea will not be making an appearance as he hasn,t been seen since his removal from the arch.It would appear that he is sulking.Why has he put the case against his elder off until September?Could it be that he wants a peaceful marching season.Is he going to share the platform with Adams in Limavady? Just like the rest of the Dup ministers do on their foreign trips or the tea rooms at stormont.

  • Rory

    “What shall it profiteth a man if he gaineth the whole world, yet forfeiteth his soul?”

    The problem is not the source, it is the English.

    “Profiteth” (i.e. profits) should simply read “profit” for the sentence to read accurately. That’s the trouble when people start lisping – it becomes (“becometh”) hard to stop.

  • Joker

    Yes McCrea will be in Limavady this year, as he was invited last year, before he cosied up to his new friends in Sinn Fein. Just as well, as he has been told my his own lodge that he is no longer welcome to walk with them.

    The members of his lodge, who helped to build his church have resigned from the Free P’s. The elder who was suspended was suspended because he tackled the Doc at Magherafelt about going into coalition with Sinn Fein/IRA.

    I bet the DUP members who couldn’t wait to invite Willie to Limavady are quaking in their boots now, as some of these members protested a number of years ago in Londonderry at the fact that the Black entered into discussions with ‘Concerned residents’ who now seem a nicer bunch of people than the new friends of the DUP.

    I would be interested to hear from those members of the DUP who called at my house in Mid-Ulster to canvas for my vote in the last Assembly elections and promised me that they would never enter into Gov with Sinn Fein. So to all you out there, I await your reply or the next time you come around you can answer me face to face. I for one will not be hood-winked again. At least with the UUP we knew exactly what route we were going down and the UUP/SDLP axis does not look as bad as the new DUP/Sinn Fein love in.

  • doire protastunach

    Is this the same lodge that fell out among themselves a few years ago about a member removing a flag from the work place! I think they just like to gripe!

    As for members resigning from the church from what I have heard no-one has left although a few just have a bad attendance and always have been!

    When the DUP came to may door they said they would not share power until the conditions where right – maybe they told you something different. My canvasser said that she had concerns and would wait to see what would happen, I don’t know what her views are now! What is the alternative to the situation, do all the people who are so anti DUP have an alternative.

    And who do you all go to now when you want your sites passed! Is there any party you trust or will you only be happy if you get everything your own way. Have you never heard of compromise?

    As for the images that will be burned on the bonfires – who really cares! Most fires are only an excuse for drunken behaviour! How many round the fires understand what it is to be a true protestant. I do believe it is to stand against the errors of the Church of Rome and not to fight republicanism! A protestant can – and no doubt I will be opening a can of worms when I say this – but they can believe in a united Ireland! A protestant is not just so because they live in NI – but there are bigger issues in the protestant cause than who is in Stormont!

  • Turgon

    Joker,

    I am convinced that all that is needed is patience. The DUP seem pretty clearly riven with dissent. They have expanded but to me still seem held together (especially after the deal) by the Paisley personality cult. Already there have been defections. Even if Paisley stays I suspect there is already enough support for a new party provided it has credible leadership. Once Paisley leaves there is a good chance of a split and a sizable new group emerging. All we need do is wait.

  • jimmyjoe

    Does anyone know how Billy’s bar-b-que went tonite.I wonder did the prodigal son return or did Cruella and Forallofus keep him out.
    Doire
    The DUP canvasser who called with me told me that they would never enter government with SF/IRA.That canvasser was Ian McCrea.I now realize that he also lies just like his Dad.Will be interesting to hear what Lundy McCrea has to say in Limavady

  • darth rumsfeld

    He’s been told to keep it religious Jimmyjoe. Perhaps he could talk on the thirty pieces of silver , and whether with inflation they’d be .. about the same as the salary of an MLA and chair of a Stormont committee