Are we more or less at risk?

Mark Devenport with some interesting thoughts in the wake of the firebombing at Glasgow airport. Is Northern Ireland at greater or lesser risk in a future bombing campaign. The Secretary of State says “no more or no less” than Britain, the passengers at City Airport say less.

In general terms I agree more with the passengers in transit than the Cabinet minister. There are more high profile targets in Great Britain than here, so if you are an international terrorist mounting a campaign then you are more likely to be active there. Also given that most terrorists are mindful of the media impact of what they do, they might consider an incident in Northern Ireland to be simply too confusing in terms of the message it projects.

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  • Harry Briscoe

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6258544.stm

    As long as we don’t criticise the religion of peace we should be ok.
    Mr Fealty must remember little about the Provos’ camapaign. Soft targets, belly of the beast and all that. The playbook is the same.

  • Cruimh

    There’s always the media spin the terrorists know they would get if they hit NI – “after Tragic NI sorts out it’s problems blah blah blah” but people here are accustomed to the threat.

  • jpeters

    there is always the chance that the groups responsible would expect a bigger backlash from the norn irish public against ethnic groups

    would this increase or decease the chance of an attack?

  • Maybe there’s less risk because they have a beef with Britain and not Ireland, which for most of the world is a separate country.

    Don’t worry I’m sure the UUP could send a delegation to Al Queda demanding they be included on a list of targets cause they’re as British as Finchley and all that sh*t*.

    Waaa we want to be bombed too… you’re discriminating against our cultr’n’heritage. This is worse than Patten. So much for an “Ireland of Equals” etc. ad nauseum.

  • Cruimh

    What was their beef with Bali ?

    And those Shannon flights ….

  • jpeters

    UFB

    cut the caffine mate mondays are hard enough for us all!

    just exploring the options Glasgow after all has one of the most integrated asian communities in the UK

  • I-LUV-CRAP-AMERICAN-MICK-HOP

    The Shannon Airport is a logistical apparatus of the War effort, something that is widely publicised.

    The Royal Irish Regiment are part of the coalition forces.

    Irish companies have won contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq.

    The South of Ireland has a large group of militant Muslims and its government has been criticised in the past for not monitoring them enough.

    the Islamic movement in its extremes still finds plenty of support amongst a certain class of people on the Island.

    So we have involvement in the invasion of Iraq, we have profit accrued from that invasion and we have a local gang of organised Mohammedans, it seems to me that the potential impetus for the identification of Irish targets is there.

    On the other hand, the Irish movements have always been at pains to stress their support for assorted Arab groups, something which may even have influence in certain sections of America and the Moslems no doubt are aware of the advantage of maintaining friends ‘inside enemy lines’, so perhaps with a view to their strategy rather than their ethics, targeting Irish concerns or Irish territory may not be a popular ambition.

    and, by the way, it verges on the pathetic that here, through the slugger commentators kaleidoscope, this issue could provoke comments on the UUP and the supposed absurdity of their British identity. Does everything in the Chucky mind boil down to contrived slights against Unionists ?

  • Richard James

    “Maybe there’s less risk because they have a beef with Britain and not Ireland, which for most of the world is a separate country.”

    So you don’t think allowing Shannon to be used as airstrip one might make the RoI a target? Hell France even opposed the war in Iraq and Al Queda considers it a ‘legitimate’ target.

    “Don’t worry I’m sure the UUP could send a delegation to Al Queda demanding they be included on a list of targets cause they’re as British as Finchley and all that sh*t*.”

    Considering the Royal Irish Regiment has fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan I’m sure Islamists would consider NI firmly within the UK.

  • Notice that, as the more obvious targets are “hardened”, the attacks switch to the peripheries and softer options.

    Don’t take your eyes off the ball! It’s not over till it’s over!

    And, quite frankly, your age, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, place of residence or line in personal abuse won’t make a blind bit of difference.

    Devenport’s original question seems in quite disgusting bad taste, anyway.

  • jpeters

    it would be interesting however (in a narrow NI egotistical way) to see how they see NI. think they have moved on from the old gaddaffi days?

  • I Wonder

    If Al Queda’s view of Ireland (north and south) is as sophisticated as the typical man-in-the-street view of Islam, I imagine they will make no distinction between any of us -north, south, Prod, Fenian. They will see the island of Ireland providing Shannon to the US as the (spurious) justification for indiscriminate attack.

    Such a view is fortified by the vitriol expressed against all Muslims in parts of the internet, a haunt not unknown to Islam extremists…

  • curious

    ‘The Royal Irish Regiment are part of the coalition forces.’

    The 1st (and only battaion left) of the Royal Irish Regiment is home based in Scotland and not Northern Ireland.

  • Jamie Gargoyle

    Regardless of anything else, it seems like the recent targets were “soft touch” targets. I doubt NI would be considered a particularly soft touch because security and being alert to potential dangers seems to still be more ingrained in the NI psyche than elsewhere in the UK (or RofI for that matter).

  • Richard James

    “The 1st (and only battaion left) of the Royal Irish Regiment is home based in Scotland and not Northern Ireland.”

    Yeah and full of Scots, not an Irish person to be seen…

  • parcifal

    Pity the extremes of bigoted, fundamentalist Islam and Christianity couldn’t square up to each other in some place like the deserts of the Sahara,
    Leaving the rest of us to pursue the dream of a liberal paradise of Enlightenment, Tolerance and the search for Truth.
    I find both sides so utterly boring! siamese twins of doom.
    Unfortunately we the ordinary people, are the cannon fodder between these two violent lunatic idealogues.

  • I wonder…

    Jamie

    7/7 consisted of attacks on the Tube and a London bus. These cannot be defined as other than soft touch targets either. Ironically, the stepping down of security in NI (because of the diminished local paramilitary threat) has put NI in the headlines – possibly to be perceived as a lower security area to those intent on inflicting destruction on the West, per se. However, I doubt that south Armagh is likely to be a prime target for Islam extremists. 🙂

  • I wonder…

    “What was their beef with Bali ? ”

    – Western hedonism, easily accessible.

    Also, anything seen as “decadent” in their sick morality. Thats why there was a bomb intended for the Gay Pride parade on Saturday.

    Mind you, given that fundamentalist Christians object to such things as homosexuality etc is there really that much difference in their respective views? We have seen how anti-gay Christians in the US abuse those attending the funerals of US soldiers killed in Iraq – precisely because they fight for a country which recognises homosexuality.

    Is the difference really only one of access to explosives? Extremes are all the same – they are violent and irrational. Prior to 9/11 the main threat to the US was internal and white – remember Oklahoma?

  • parcifal

    They both kill in the name of God, hate humour, gays, women, the MSM, rock music, partying.
    Both are in a constant state of outrage.

    The rageboys of certain right wing sites are no different from the rageboys of Jihadis sites.

    Weapons? Bush has access to cruise missiles to bomb and maim at will in foreign lands to fulfil his demented ambitions.

    NI is safe, as most sensible people on the planet regard it as Ireland, and partition a nonsense!

  • Richard James

    “NI is safe, as most sensible people on the planet regard it as Ireland, and partition a nonsense!”

    What do you base that assertion on?

    And if Islamic militants are ignoring geopolitical fact, well that tells us alot about those regard partition as nonsense :o)

  • parcifal

    Richard, just my experience
    Partion is an historical farce, a colonial legacy, and utterly ridiculous esp when you consider Ireland is bordered by water on all sides.
    I don’t even believe Al_quaida are that thick 🙂

  • Afraid we are in the same cross hair as all infidels, the guys who bombed ‘Paddys Pub’, the irish bar on Bali, when asked about differentiating western targets clearly could not tell any westerners apart, they had never even heard of Ireland.

  • I wonder…

    As and when there is a successful *hit* in Ireland, I trust my postings will be preserved as highlighting that certain sites, revelling in their obnoxious hatred of Muslims, may have served to attract Islamic fundamentalist hatred to this island.

    I pray it doesnt happen.

    Other *born again* people pray that it does. Thats because in the unlikely event of a disaster involving them, they believe, like their Islamic fundamentalist parallels, they will go straight to Heaven, having during their lives, having articulated in their lives, nothing but hatred. Fortunately for them, it wont hit their little 95% Loyalist village. #

    I wish I wasn’t predicting the future. But I fear I am.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Fundamentalist Christians are indeed capable of similar naked violence, note for example the attacks on abortion clinics in the USA, or the nail bombs in soho, etc.

    Yup, agreed with all the posters about Ireland. I’m afraid Ireland is quite likely to be a target for this same kind of extremism. The Irish government didn’t come out in favour of the Bush/Blair agenda, but it certainly didn’t nail it’s colours to the cross in opposition.

  • Jocky

    Why does everyone trot out the war in Iraq when second guessing (quasi justifiying) terrorist motives? It’s the biggest step of false logic ever.

    Eh, who is killing the largest amount of muslims in Iraq? eh other muslims, strangley you don’t see any terrorist attacks in Iran, Lebannon et al to protest at the killing of muslims in Iraq. This idea of a pan-arab brotherhood is a complete fallacy. when did it ever exist?

    Al-Q and various loosely affiliated groups are using the west and any other spurious “reason” to further it own ends, and there MO is to kill christians, muslims, westerners, arabs whoever happen to be a convienient target to stir up conflict, hatred so that they can channel it in support of their own advancement.

    The fact people buy this “reasoning” is shocking and then tue themselves in knots completely misses the point.

  • Harry Briscoe

    Parcival: You and your type are an integral part of the Coalition of the Willing. Please spare us your holier than religious people attitutde. Bush, THatcher and the others went to war for the Empire you have gained by, not for religion.
    The Royal Irish Rangers. What an abuse of a name.

  • Harry Flashman

    *Fundamentalist Christians are indeed capable of similar naked violence, note for example the attacks on abortion clinics in the USA, or the nail bombs in soho, etc.*

    You see the problem with that statement CS is its blinding fatuousness.

    A number of attacks that could be counted on the fingers of one hand over twenty years and whose perpetrators were remorselessly condemned, hunted down and punished by their respective societies does not remotely weigh equally in the balance with a worldwide jihad which has seen hundreds of thousands of victims, men women and children, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists slaughtered deliberately and without mercy while at the same time being supported, financed and aided by many governments, morally justified by religious leaders and approved of by huge numbers of co-religionists around the globe.

    Sure it’s just the same thing, I took home a couple of pens from my office once, see I’m just as bad as the Great Train Robbers.

    Moral equivalancy, everyone’s just as bad as everyone else, Jesus and people wonder how we’ve got into this mess!

  • parcifal

    Harry
    Up yours, they’re colonial wasters of life and limb. not holier than thou, just right from wrong.
    Not in my name.

  • I Wonder

    “Coalition of the willing”

    “moral equivalency”

    …somehow those opposing the violence and seeking to understand it are somehow RESPONSIBLE for it?

    What f*cking twisted thinking! I can hear the hand washing from here. US and UK foreign policy was completely irrelevant? Balls!

    You can leave your house and kick the shit out of someone in the next street and get away with it time and time again but inevitably, they’ll find out where you live and follow you home…

  • Yokel

    Course we are a target area. We’ve already had one jailed and its reported others are are being watched.

  • Harry Briscoe

    Harry Flashman, I was just admiring your reasoned post when I saw the drivel that followed it.
    The baggage handler in Jockland was great. But, as he admits, lucky to be alive. As the Provos said after attacking Brighton, the Islamics haveto be lucky only once.
    Ireland is in the front line on this. The BBC, The Guardian and other mI% fronts have used Irish pasport holders in the past, at least one of whom fell for Queen and country (in Saudi). A Brit journalist who was detained in Iraq by the Resistance (on his way to a Provo style execution) said the resistance were decidedly unimpressed by his Irish passport.
    If Irleand is serious, it should clamp down on Clonskeagh and start deporting Islamicists and all illegals in big numbers.
    To imagine that Allah has not legions helping it in Ireland is naiive. “Everyone loves the Irish”. Most have never heard of Potato land and those who have know only of Enya, Roy Keane and the mass murderers in Stormont.

  • I Wonder

    “If Irleand is serious, it should clamp down on Clonskeagh and start deporting Islamicists and all illegals in big numbers.”

    Yeah, thats the job – kick the darkies out…

    Perhaps a test might be based on ability to spell the name of the country. Thats you out for a start…

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>The baggage handler in Jockland was great. But, as he admits, lucky to be alive< >As the Provos said after attacking Brighton, the Islamics haveto be lucky only once.<

  • redhaze

    Jocky,

    There is no doubt that there would be people willing to carry out attacks whether or not the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq happened.

    However, to propose that this has not enflamed the situation, produced new recruits, whom have been provided with a wide range of new targets is absurd.

    The West has been a shining example of divide and conquer. Iraq is a colonial legacy which paid no attention to the way the ‘Arab World’ had been operating prior. It was divid up between colonial powers on terms that suited them, not terms that suited the locals historically.

    The modern day Iraq has now totally erupted. Al-Qaeda, supplied, trained, and motivated by the USA is now using the turmoil to further their agenda, as are some other mistaken religous groups. However, this violence stems from narrow quarters and does the most damage to the most damaging foe the West could face, which is a national resistance force, which by the way is the force inflicting the most casualties amongst the occupying ‘coalition forces’. No wonder the West has consistently played one faction or strongman off against another.

  • redhaze

    Harry Briscoe,

    “If Irleand is serious, it should clamp down on Clonskeagh and start deporting Islamicists and all illegals in big numbers.”

    How about if Ireland is serious it should stop aiding the illegal occuaption of Iraq and refuse the USA permission to use Shanon or Irish airspace?

    I wouldn’t usually say this but I’ve read a few of your posts on different threads and you are a moron Harry.

    A repressed, angry at the world, racist prick.

    I hear Combat 18 has a site that you may find of interest.

  • For the latest grabbing-at-straws by the UK’s counterterrorist people, note this link connecting Kafeel Ahmed, the guy burned in the Glasgow airport fiasco, to Abbas Boutrab, the alleged high figure in Al-Qaeda who received a six year sentence in 2005 by a Diplock court for downloading instructions from the internet on how to make a bomb which could bring down an airliner:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/0,,2121409,00.html

    They both were studying aeronautical engineering at Queen’s during 2001-04, and they both are suspected of having belonged to the same ‘sleeper cell’.

    Of course, if that was the case, why wasn’t Ahmed locked up with Boutrab?

    This is just continuing spin by the people who locked up Boutrab, especially, it seems, Detective Supertendent Esmond Adair.

    They could better spend their time trying to figure out what Bilal Abdulla was doing during this time, especially when he disappeared while at the Medical College of the University of Baghdad, and where he went after he graduated in 2004.

    Did he go to Israel, and obtain an assignment to set up his own ‘sleeper cell’ in Britain?

  • Left out part of link:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_new/story/0,,2121409,00.html